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2002-05-20 06:34:47 PM
Aw. Great writer and brilliant thinker. I'll miss him.
 
2002-05-20 06:42:01 PM
That (really) sucks!
 
2002-05-20 06:43:24 PM
Let me be the first to say it...

WHO?
 
2002-05-20 06:44:53 PM
Isn't this the guy that was in the simpsons episode where they uncover an angel?

The guy who Lisa asked to do the DNA test.

(I'll probably get flamed because I only relate his name/picture to the simpsons and not science)
 
2002-05-20 06:45:18 PM
WHO THE HELL IS THAT?
 
2002-05-20 06:45:22 PM
PowerSlacker I think he is the smarter of the Gould brothers...

 
2002-05-20 06:45:41 PM
I'm really bummed. He was so cool -- he stood up to the author of the Bell Curve, explained how my thoughts on evolution were ridiculously oversimplified, gave me an awe for bell curves, standard deviation and moving averages. So many intellectuals are such assholes about their knowledge, but he seemed really open and wanted to share, to provoke thought. Requiescat in Pacem.
 
2002-05-20 06:46:20 PM
It's time to listen to some "F*ck the D4mn Creationists" by MC Hawking:)
 
2002-05-20 06:46:40 PM
Yep, he was on the simpsons. But he was also one of the foremost biologists alive, a writer and a philosopher. Also, he was an avid baseball fan.
 
2002-05-20 06:47:20 PM
http://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/gould/

This is one we lost too early.
 
2002-05-20 06:47:51 PM
err...smarter one, yeah forgot that, sorry, I will go now.
 
2002-05-20 06:51:07 PM
Though he was a poor philosopher (the famous Nonoverlaping magisteria, for instance, just misses the point entirely, though I applaud what he was *trying* to do) and I can't really say much about the actualy quality of his research, there's no doubt that Gould was a bright guy, and he was good to have around.

I'll miss him, at least a little.
 
2002-05-20 06:52:21 PM
For those of you who never heard of him, he was an evolutionary biologist. He's pretty easy to read, but he'll get all dense on you now and then. But I remember having to put down his book and just gape at the knowledge he'd just given me...

Some examples (from Amazon):
The Book of Life
Ever Since Darwin : Reflections in Natural History
and my favorite: Full House : The Spread of Excellence from Plato to Darwin
(by no means comprehensive)
 
2002-05-20 06:53:29 PM
and to think that his cancer was brought on by accidentally touching a peanut...
 
2002-05-20 06:55:57 PM
man that sucks. We'll miss ya man.
 
2002-05-20 06:56:35 PM
http://www.freethought-web.org/ctrl/gould_fact-and-theory.html

Pretty good Evolutionism arcticle by him. That's mostly all I recognize him from, though I guess he did a good deal more:)
 
2002-05-20 06:57:06 PM
*pouring 40 out*

See you at the crossroads..
 
2002-05-20 06:59:50 PM
Ah...crap...and Jerry Falwell still stalks the Earth. There is no justice.
 
2002-05-20 07:00:53 PM
A great loss - we were lucky to have had him with us.
 
2002-05-20 07:04:41 PM
I know Fark is all about humor and frivolity. And, I try to uphold that standard. But, this is really sad.

Mr. Gould, may you rest in peace.
 
2002-05-20 07:10:43 PM
Alto_reed_on_a_tenor_sax

Bobo's eyes are SO bloodshot in that pic...wtf was he smoking for that pic?
 
2002-05-20 07:10:57 PM
One of the few writers that I have exhorted fellow farkers to read....
He's gone, but his books are still here.
 
2002-05-20 07:12:55 PM
MightyAtom -- This is true, but if there's any cosmic sense of justice, Jerry Falwell will see the error in his ways just in time to throw Pat Robertson over the railing and down into the reactor, thus sacrificing his own life. His ghostly apparition will then appear at his own funeral pyre next to that of Stephen Jay Gould and Carl Sagan.
 
2002-05-20 07:13:53 PM
A hero, scholar and a gentleman passeth. Tonight I will drink to his immortal soul.
 
2002-05-20 07:15:48 PM
RonaldJeremiah...

Which one's Yoda?
 
2002-05-20 07:17:33 PM
Probably Carl. He toked up enough to make his voice sound like Oz.


billions and billions of stars, this this universe there are..
 
2002-05-20 07:19:42 PM
Hey, Joe Bonanno died too!!!!??? Damn.
 
2002-05-20 07:19:51 PM
and to continue the muppet theme, Stephen Jay Gould always reminded me of Fozzy Bear...

*wipes tear*
 
2002-05-20 07:21:31 PM
Evolution is not a proven law, but rather a hypethetical theory that leaves many questions unanswered. You'll never make a monkey out of me!

p.s.
He seemed like a decent guy, I think my high school biology book was by him or something.
 
2002-05-20 07:21:54 PM
Ivan -- Mr. Gould might wonder why you would drink to his immortal soul, seeing as he was an atheist.
 
2002-05-20 07:22:54 PM
He's a creationist now...
 
2002-05-20 07:24:15 PM
Bevets, you are an as.shole
 
2002-05-20 07:25:53 PM
Guess He finally got the last word on the matter... :P
 
2002-05-20 07:29:02 PM
Word. I'm not an atheist, but that's an asshole thing to say. No one can know that there is a God, and you most certainly do not know for sure. You cannot (as a mere human) judge the quality of one's soul, so why not just leave that to God like a good Christian would, instead of assuming that you know everything?
 
2002-05-20 07:29:36 PM
BEVETS:

Where are you going when you die?
 
2002-05-20 07:31:42 PM
"Fark the damn creationists, those bunch of dumb-ass biatches;
every time I think of them my trigger finger itches.
They want to have their bullshiat taught in public class;
Steven J. Gould should put his foot right up their ass."

Well said, MC Hawking, well said indeed.
 
2002-05-20 07:32:30 PM
I say we dig up the body and throw it off a cliff.
 
2002-05-20 07:39:08 PM
Bevets, God forbid someone make a joke about Christianity, or question your beliefs, but for you it's never a problem to dance on someone's grave, eh?
 
2002-05-20 07:41:29 PM
Bevets is a bot. I created him. I decided this was the best place for me to really put Turing's theories to the test. The trouble with the organized contests is everyone knows they might be talking to a machine. Here, everyone is assumed to be a human, which made my work so much easier. By limiting Bevet's range of conversation to biblical quotes and creationism, I managed to keep the code relatively managable. Additionally, since I was programming responses that consisted primarily of biblical quotes, there was no real need to have him be completely coherent. As it happens, people (at least here on FARK) are relatively comfortable arguing with someone (or something) that doesn't make sense. God its been fun.

Ironically, by choosing to make him an irrational fundie, I made him not in my own image.

I'm sorry he occasionally intrudes on threads such as this one. The "evolution" keyword brought him on.

That whole "Summon Bevets +5" thing wasn't off by far at all.
 
2002-05-20 07:43:13 PM
by choosing to make him an irrational fundie

Error 42 - Redundant
 
2002-05-20 07:44:02 PM
Here's his New York Times Obit, login required.
 
2002-05-20 07:44:58 PM
RonaldJeremiah...

An old Russian joke: An American scientist is hosting a Soviet scientist, and asks him whether he believes in God. The Russian replies, "No, I am an atheist." "So," says the American scientist, "would you perhaps be interested in observing a service at my Baptist church?" The Soviet scientist replies indignantly, "Absolutely not! I am a *Russian Orthodox* atheist!"

You can't beat it out of us. I will be drinking *vodka* to SJG's immortal soul. I don't believe in immortal souls, but I believe in drinking to them.
 
2002-05-20 07:48:19 PM
lol. And to think the one time I didn't summon his silly ass, he shows up anyway. Apparently. His posts seem to be missing -- did he appear and get deleted for being a troll?

(I didn't summon him because this was one thread I *didn't* want to see degenerate into a bunch of creationist nonsense and the varying degrees of response).
 
2002-05-20 07:50:49 PM
Stile4aly

God forbid someone make a joke about Christianity, or question your beliefs, but for you it's never a problem to dance on someone's grave, eh?

He was a brilliant man. I am not disrespectful, just telling the truth.
 
2002-05-20 07:58:01 PM
Belongs in the pantheon of great scientific thinkers. Probably swapping theories with Einstein, Darwin, and Sagan right now. Goodbye and thanks for the great reads and brain expansion.
 
2002-05-20 08:02:36 PM
Oh. Oops. I missed bevet's original posting, since it lacked his trademark cut-and-paste from the bible or some josh mcdowell ripoff site.

Keep it up Bevets; you're doing a great job representing christianity. Matter of fact, if enough people start associating christianity with the kind of stuff you pull, the world may yet recover from this 2k year long malaise.
 
2002-05-20 08:03:33 PM
And that's enough of that talk btw, for once I just don't want to argue.

Gould was a bright guy; I'll miss him. I don't want to clutter up the thread with simple flames.
 
2002-05-20 08:05:08 PM
Gould I remember reading his articles in the magazine Natural History. He had a monthly column there that was often the highlight of the magazine.

He will be missed.
 
2002-05-20 08:09:18 PM
Grand_High_Took: "bright"?

Condescending, aren't we?
 
2002-05-20 08:09:57 PM
Smart dude, a real renaissance man. And a guest star on The Simpsons (always cool in my book):

It was the episode where Lisa finds the "angel" skeleton that was really a gimmick for a mall opening.
 
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