Percival Sweetwater: I'm very sure anyone voting for Nader would never have voted for Bush.

This is purely anecdotal, but most of the Nader voters I know would never have voted Bush _or_ Gore.

Sloth_DC: I'd say they held to that principle fairly well, and stayed committed to furthering civil rights as their central plank for a good century afterward, too.

i'd say you have a nice pair of rosy glasses you are viewing history thru.

given power, it doesn't take long for retaining that power to be more important than any other ideals. across the board.

sunlion: Expect a GOP sweep anywhere with touch screens.

I live in Maryland. We used Diebold touch-screen voting machines last election, but I seem to have missed the GOP sweep...

Captain_napalm, you certainly have an answer for everything. Are you god?

heap: the more a poster demonstrates the intellect of lukewarm beandip, the more they control a thread.

reckon it's got it's political equivalents, as well...

Can I call it "the Coulter effect"?
Maybe "The Hannity Phenomenon"
Perhaps "The Limbaugh Law"
Or "Viscious Doucebags United for American Despotism"

Meh, I'm sticking with the "Never-argue-with-an-idiot-he'll-just-bring-you-down-to-his-level-and-beat-you -with-experience" theory. It's like the unified theory of of douchebaggery.

It looks like Alexandra's not going to get back to me. So I'm outta here. 'Night guys.

Prospero424: Can I call it "the Coulter effect"?
Maybe "The Hannity Phenomenon"
Perhaps "The Limbaugh Law"
Or "Viscious Doucebags United for American Despotism"

The Moore Maxim?

Republicans really need to give up their "war against terror" and surrender immediately to the terrorist and withdraw from Iraq, Afghanistan, and the rest of the world. They have to understand that they're going to lose this war badly, because Bin Laden is a LOT smarter than any Republican in the world.

There's an article in today's Washington Post about the author that Bin Laden references in his latest speech, Bill Blum. Blum's a leftist writer, along the lines of Chomsky, Zinn, and others. I mentioned in an earlier post the Bin Laden is ALSO a leftist, and NOT an Islamic empire builder. Basicall bin Laden wants what ANY leftist wants: for the US to get the fark out of the rest of the world. The only difference is that Bin Laden is doing it with a violent war using an Islamic religous base.

Basically as Americans, we NEED to support bin Laden. We NEED to support the complete destruction of the United States government, and to make the 50 states their own independent countries. The United States government's only purpose is to be a tool of wealthy capitalists to become richer, regardless of morality. There is NO room for morality in capitalism, hence the utter destruction that the government imposes upon the rest of the world. They do all this JUST to make wealthy people wealthier, and their ignorant employees supprt that.

Don't act surprised that this is the reason the US government exists. After all, the United States WAS founded by a bunch of slave-owning rednecks. Can you imagine the kind of government that could POSSIBLY be created by a group of people that would go off and kidnap DARK people halfway around the world, bring them over in cages, and make them work all day on threat of whipping? You should be REPULSED by ANY government that these rednecks create. They are NOT respectable people. They gain power by using poor people against those with even less power. The soldiers of today fighting the dark-skinned Iraqis are the same as the poor-redneck guy that the plantation owners used to hire to whip black slaves. Same shiat, different time.

The Republican party is simply an extension of their philospophy. They ARE republicans - people that believe in the republic, or people that believe in their government's power. That's exactly OPPOSITE of what a populist should be fighting for. The populist (Democrat) should fight for the rights of the people. Power has to come from somewhere, and the Republicans take power away from the people to give to the government.

Of course, the Republicans are the most freedom-hating group of people in the world. They absolutely cannot STAND the fact that you are given ANY rights. They'd LOVE to make you slaves if they could, to further richen their pocketbooks. Absolutely EVERYTHING they do is to make someone rich at YOUR expense. Republicans are the reason you could go to jail for copying music, or why your fish is mercury contaminated because power-companies have less pollution control, or why you can't buy imported Canadian drugs, or why government can monitor ANY phone call you make. Basically, ALL BAD THINGS come from the Republican party, a party ONLY FOR THE IGNORANT and DECIEVED.

Do NOT support their ambitions. You only live your own life, not the life of a wealthy capitalist. Do NOT be the guy that whips black slaves, for those same black slaves tend to fight back. The same arabs that the US government constantly fights right now. They've already killed about 2000 US troops lately.

Let's not forget our other previous wars. Like, Vietnam. What the fark was that about? We killed 3 *MILLION* people in some third-world land because some farking peasant farmer wanted price controls on their rice?!!?! NOooo we can't allow that now, can we! So let's go ahead and kill them because they're a "threat".

Anyways, let's work to get rid of this dangerous consolidation of power we call the United States. For white people, I'm sure the US was fun while it lasted. For everyone else, the US's time is almost over. Americans are finally taking notice to what the world knew all along. Let's pay off the national debt, dissolve the Federal Government, and finally get rid of this dangerous US military. Let the 50 states be their own seperate countries, like what Europe has.

Bin Laden, along with every other leftist, is right. Republicans are a threat to society.

Now my usual convenienty "O'Reilly style" talking points:

If the US government disappeared tommorow, at the very least you'll get an automatic 33% pay raise! That's MONEY IN YOUR POCKET!

You have NO REASON to give your hard-earned tax dollars to some redneck in southern Alabama! Let them spend their own money if they want to kill dark people!

Do NOT support the troops!

Do NOT pledge allegiance to the flag!

SPREAD anti-Americanism!

Anti-Americanism is a GOOD thing.

A weak government is better than a strong government. A strong government takes your freedom for itself. A weak government cannot take your freedoms.

Fight the US government!

"You are with us or against us!" - Bush
"We are against you. Now fark off." - the World

prospero

i'm all for calling it "Heap's 3rd Law of Beandip"

has there ever been talk of a "Duhhh" tag?

There's a lot of money in waging war, I'll say.

Turning down a truce where the condition is only to stop policing foreign governments shows that the US wants blood.

It wants blood, hot, cold, congealed, and when it gets blood it wont like the iron taste to it.

The high might last a little while, though.

Stealing an election just prolongs the farce keeps the money rollin

//end rant and deep thoughts

New revelations about voting machine allocations in Franklin County emerged on Tuesday, December 7. William Anthony, Chair of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told WVKO radio listeners that the Board begins stationing voting machines four weeks out before Election Day. Security questions were raised after a machine in Gahanna Ward 1B at the New Life Church recorded 4258 votes for Bush where only 638 voters cast ballots.

Cornell McCleary, former minority director of the Republican Party of Ohio, argues that it would easy for computer hackers to hack directly into the machines: The two points of vulnerability are setting up a computer and hacking directly into the machine, or the line that goes directly down to the Board of Elections. He dismissed the Gahanna incident as a prank. Prank or not, Kerrys decision to concede early on November 3 was based in part on these imaginary votes that were either a prank, a computer glitch, or a deliberate effort to boost Bushs total in Ohio.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0412/S00088.htm (pops)


There is only one side fighting tooth and nail against a paper trail in electronic voting machines. Tooth and nail. Why? A paper trail benefits neither side in and of itself. It would only benefit the side which may have otherwise been cheated. It's academic.

But we're asked to simply let it go and trust Republican politicians from Ohio? Balderdash.

captain_napalm

Your argument, while disguised with words that probably required a trip to an online thesaurus on your part, doesn't apply to me. I thought I explained in simple terms that I am not a liberal, and that I generally agree with the right-wing ideals (the TRUE right-wing ideals, last seen well over 30 years ago).

It seems as though your belief system is based on a cascade of cognitive dissonances spawned from your irrational hatred of approximatly 40% of the country. Certainly this is worse than hating just one person?

Alexandra writes: Because I'm a conservative.

What do you mean by that?

Typically, Democrats want things I don't like and vice-versa. Note that I said "typically." I know of Democrats that are more conservative than some Republicans.

I hate to burst your bubble, but just because a candidate has an (R) after his name on the ballet doesn't make him a conservative. In fact, the current cast of scum calling themselves 'conservative' fail to practice conservatism.

Traditional conservatism embraces these basic ideals:

*Smaller and limited government
*Balanced budgets (fiscal conservency)
*State rights
*Individual responsibility
*No big brother

The current crop of 'conservatives' practice none of these ideals.


Incidently, the definition of a conservative vs a liberal is that a liberal believes in using government to promote social change in an effort to move towards an ideal society (equal rights laws for example). A conservative believes in the maintaining a status quo and allowing society to evolve on its own without government interference. It's unfortunate that retarded pundits like Limbaugh, Colter, etc. have perverted the terms in an effort to promote themselves and their warped ideology and that the current crop of republicans have adopted a form of fascism and slapped a 'conservative' label on it to make it more acceptable.

// Former republican, actual conservative
// Will not vote republican in 2006
// Vote Kinky Freidman for Gov!
// Help prevent slash abuse

captain_napalm

here Here [it] goes. unlike Unlike (You wanted to play grammar Nazi before, so I am game to that) you and your ilk, my entire belief system isn't based on a cascade of cognitive dissonances spawned from my irrational hatred of one person.

Alot of big words from you. Where did you learn them? The public school system that you frequently bash? You obviously need to get over yourself. You are an egomaniac, and a frequently in denial.

And as for your idea that you "belief system" is perfect or based on realisitic goals is pure bullshot.

Sloth_DC: I live in Maryland. We used Diebold touch-screen voting machines last election, but I seem to have missed the GOP sweep...


Because it didn't matter there. Why risk more exposure in places it isn't going to matter? When all you need to rig is Ohio, why righ Maryland?

whorehopper: There is only one side fighting tooth and nail against a paper trail in electronic voting machines. Tooth and nail. Why? A paper trail benefits neither side in and of itself. It would only benefit the side which may have otherwise been cheated. It's academic.

Interestingly, Diebold sells machines which have a paper trail. Perhaps you should write to your County Election Board and urge them to invest in them...

Also, another thing we must do is to fight Religion. Let's work to make religion a BAD thing, and NOT a good thing.

Christians LOVE killing people. They farking LOVE this Iraq war.

Christianity/Religion is unnecessary in the modern world.

Remember, the Christians were kicked out of Europe before coming to America. Let's kick the Christians out of America as well.

Let's start with the kids.

Tell kids to not believe in Christianity and that the deity they worship was false and only created by men as another system of power for them.

Tell kids that you don't need to believe in a god to have a happy, safe, and functional society.

Sloth_DC: Interestingly

interestingly, that didn't even breeze close to addressing his point.

"Because it didn't matter there. Why risk more exposure in places it isn't going to matter? When all you need to rig is Ohio, why righ Maryland?"

We all know that Rove rigged Ohio so it would give Democrats another 4 years of conspiracy theories. Your reasoning is starting to sound very tin hat foilish. Isn't Art Bell on or something?

L.Darte: I hate to burst your bubble, but just because a candidate has an (R) after his name on the ballet doesn't make him a conservative. In fact, the current cast of scum calling themselves 'conservative' fail to practice conservatism.

Why are you hating on Alexandra? She's _repeatedly_ stated that she has voted against the Bush-Republicans in the past and intends to keep doing so in the future. I'm not really digging the Constitution Party she favours as an alternative, but I can read her posts and realize she's not a Bushbot.

Sloth_DC: Interestingly, Diebold sells machines which have a paper trail. Perhaps you should write to your County Election Board and urge them to invest in them..


Cobb County Georgia didn't matter. Again. It didn't matter. What did matter was Ohio. The place where two precincts came up with the exact same number of votes for Bush. The place where irregularity after irregularity occurred. The place run by Republican politicans who have since been convicted, indicted and forced to step down.

Fark yeah I question their ethics when they've been convicted of having none. And they were in a postion to do it.

Hmm, Bin Laden behind 9/11 and he's still at large; Saddam not behind 9/11 and he's in jail. It seems like the GOP is really going after the terrorists.

vfunct

Please go back to sleep, you are killing bandwidth.

captain_napalm

You voted with a pen?

Do tell about this experience, I am genuinely interested.

captain_napalm

I'll go ahead and point out that you haven't properly answered a question this whole time. I'm beginning to see that you are, in fact, incapable of defending your own point of view with anything besides petty insults and lines you heard on the O'Reiley factor. I'm done with this exchange, I hope to see you again when you're better prepared to participate in an argument like an adult.

You did point out, however, that you have the right to vote. I beg you to please be informed when you participate in future elections, not just enthusiastically marking anything with an (R) next to it as I suspect is your custom.

ah well, enough rattling the liberal cage for one evening. everyone have a good night.

captain_napalm

What is wrong with social programs?

whorehopper
Because it didn't matter there. Why risk more exposure in places it isn't going to matter? When all you need to rig is Ohio, why righ Maryland

carefull, talk all the politics you want but don't go and start bashing the DCA.

/like Georgia has something to contribute
//end troll

That fat scumbag Rove is right about one thing... the 2006 election will be about national security. But it will be about IRAQ, not terrorism. And the Repugs are going to get their fat incompetent corrupt criminal asses handed to them.

eraser8: If the fee is required for the ID and the ID is required to vote, the fee is required to vote. This isn't a particuarly difficult syllogism to follow.

That one particular form of ID (one issued by the DMV in liee of a drivers license) has a small fee. I'm sure other forms of acceptable ID are actually 'free'.

captain_napalm: unlike you and your ilk, my entire belief system isn't based on a cascade of cognitive dissonances spawned from my irrational hatred of one person.

No, it's spawned from ignorance and your irrational hatred of a good part of this country. You despise "liberals" for hating a goddamned politician "irrationally" when your kind harbors deep-seated and seething hatred for what is most likely a majority of America, by your definition of not being in lock-step with GOP talking points.

Gee, which is worse?

Sloth_DC: The Moore Maxim?

I thought about that, but I couldn't think of a single debate he was allowed to control. In fact, every time he comes up, the media just spend a few weeks having pundits on for the express purpose of excoriating him and his work, with little to no chance for rebbuttal.

Contrast this with, say, the media's treatment of Ann Coulter, where she comes on nearly every single talk show, and even the cover of Time Magazine, to biatch about "liberals" non-stop, talk about bombing the NYT, calls a good part of the country terrorist sympathizers, says that women shouldn't vote, and is then cordially invited back for another very polite sit-down with no rebuttal from anyone who would be at all likely criticize her.

I mean, I'm not a big fan of Moore. I think he does more harm than good with his penchant for sensationalism. But he just doesn't fit in with this example.

/outta here.

When did Patriotism mean flexing the capitalist muscle?

When did America become a superpower that champions the Christian cause?

When did everyone start hating?

dc-kid: /like Georgia has something to contribute

Boiled peanuts?

For what it is worth, captain_napalm has been using practical politics, i.e. ignoring the facts.

Kudos to him

Percival Sweetwater: We all know that Rove rigged Ohio so it would give Democrats another 4 years of conspiracy theories. Your reasoning is starting to sound very tin hat foilish. Isn't Art Bell on or something?


How is that tin foil? Everybody knew 2004 was coming down to Ohio. There is enough evidence of irregularity in Ohio to suggest that something should be done to fix it.

James Baker III and Jimmy Carter looked into it and even Baker agrees that we need a paper trail.

So why is the hard right still fighting against such a paper trail.

The only logical answer is that they are cheating. If you have another logical explanation for that behavior, I'd love to hear it. Wouldn't a paper trail defuse 90% of the "tin foil" hat theories.

Aren't all of the Democrat games you people cite proof that voter fraud does exist?

And doesn't the stack of indictments against Ohio Republicans suggest that they maybe shouldn't be trusted.

I would hardly consider Jim Baker III to be an Art Bell fan.