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2006-01-12 04:56:29 PM  
Article:The ban, which affects bars and restaurants _ but not gambling areas of casinos _ is to be signed into law Sunday by Gov. Richard J. Codey.

The strippers and their supporters said they oppose the ban, which is designed to protect employees and customers from second-hand smoke, because it will hurt business.


So the law protects employees of restaurants and bars, but the casino employees aren't important enough?

I hate these farking laws. Do we have to legislate all behavior? Don't we already have enough laws that we don't even have enough resources to enforce? I don't care if you're a smoker or not, nobody should be for this law. It is the government further intruding into our personal lives and choices.
 
2006-01-12 05:20:45 PM  
I'm listening to NJ 101.5 broadcasting from the rally now (it's their rally). They are milking it for what it's worth.

I don't care if you're a smoker or not, nobody should be for this law. It is the government further intruding into our personal lives and choices.

I'd agree except for one detail - you don't wear your seatbelt and the only one you hurt is yourself if you get into an accident. Second hand smoke posions the air for all.

/a decent % of NJ restaurants are smoke free these days anyway
//I wouldn't have minded an exemption made for restaurants with seperate ventalation or enclosed areas like the casino expemption
 
2006-01-12 05:21:06 PM  
Poles? Like my good friends Stash and Stanley?
 
2006-01-12 05:21:24 PM  
illegalize tobacco!1

/I ordered a Zima, not emphysema
 
2006-01-12 05:22:00 PM  
hasn't been a smokewar in quite a while, has there?
 
2006-01-12 05:22:04 PM  
The ban, which affects bars and restaurants _ but not gambling areas of casinos _ is to be signed into law Sunday by Gov. Richard J. Codey.

Guess which industry has a stronger lobby in New Jersey...
 
2006-01-12 05:23:01 PM  
They aren't talking about smoking ciggerattes though.

/que up the song "There's no sex in the Champane room"
 
2006-01-12 05:23:13 PM  
I think it'd be a fair trade: No smoking in bars for legal pot smoking at home. Where's the bargaining? Sounds like us smokers are just getting ripped off.
 
2006-01-12 05:24:13 PM  
kparry: No smoking in bars for legal pot smoking at home.


I support that.
 
2006-01-12 05:25:02 PM  
I've always found it rude to blow smoke in a stripper's face while you're hammering away at the last pieces of her self respect.
/jk.
// I farking love smoking and strip clubs
///dance around my slashes, woman.
 
Ant
2006-01-12 05:25:09 PM  
Off topic: Can smokers in Poland be described as pole smokers?
 
2006-01-12 05:25:16 PM  
I'd agree except for one detail - you don't wear your seatbelt and the only one you hurt is yourself if you get into an accident. Second hand smoke posions the air for all.

Ya... All who choose to patronize or work in a building where people are smoking. For the record, I don't agree with the seatbelt laws either.
 
2006-01-12 05:25:43 PM  
damageddude: I'd agree except for one detail - you don't wear your seatbelt and the only one you hurt is yourself if you get into an accident. Second hand smoke posions the air for all.

You are under no obligation to go into a private establishment that allows smoking. If you don't like it, go somewhere that caters to non-smokers.
 
2006-01-12 05:26:59 PM  
Smoking bans suck but here's a way out of it.

Have all the employees buy a single share of stock. Like $5 worth or something. At that point, they are all owners of the establishment. Many smoking bans claim to have the poor helpless employee in mind and make special exceptions for business where everyone involved is an owner because they can be considered to know the risks of their business.

Strippers work hard and it sucks that they have to have their work impacted by the mommy state. Plus strippers are an almost unqualified good.
 
2006-01-12 05:27:30 PM  
New Jersey is always the last northeast state to do anything.

Still don't understand why you can't pump your own gas in the Garden State.
 
2006-01-12 05:27:54 PM  
xip_80: For the record, I don't agree with the seatbelt laws either.

Kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out!
 
2006-01-12 05:28:36 PM  
And, said Carton, ``Strippers get people's attention.''

Einstein
 
2006-01-12 05:29:51 PM  
Guess which industry has a stronger lobby in New Jersey...

Come on, man. This is universal. Don't rip on NJ for something that every state government agrees with.

/went to H.S. in Jersey
//the nice part
 
2006-01-12 05:29:52 PM  
insane_idoru
Kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out!

Natural selection has been serving the human race since the beginning.
 
2006-01-12 05:29:55 PM  
Private club would get around this no? Works in other states. They charge you like $5 for a year.
 
2006-01-12 05:30:07 PM  
Smoking in buildings has been illegal in California for years. I haven't missed it. At all.

It's just rude to pollute the indoor atmosphere. You wouldn't want me farting up a storm in the next booth while you eat dinner, would you?
 
2006-01-12 05:30:37 PM  
xip_80: For the record, I don't agree with the seatbelt laws either.

I agree. It isn't the government's business whether people want to wear a seatbelt or not.

Washington State was rated as the second safest state to drive in and the legislators decided they needed to crack down on the seatbelt laws so the state would come in #1.

Stupidest. Reason. Evar.
 
2006-01-12 05:30:55 PM  
pigeonstopper: /went to H.S. in Jersey
//the nice part


/Just moved the fark away from NJ.
//There is no nice part
 
2006-01-12 05:31:08 PM  
insane_idoru

There is no god, only dog.


/ruff
 
2006-01-12 05:32:00 PM  
"New Jersey strippers put hold on poles till butt sucking is allowed"

/thank you
 
2006-01-12 05:32:29 PM  
pigeonstopper: /went to H.S. in Jersey
//the nice part

/Just moved the fark away from NJ.
//There is no nice part


Sure there is. It just requires getting as close to PA as possible without actually getting into E. Stroudsberg.
 
2006-01-12 05:32:32 PM  
merreborn: It's just rude to pollute the indoor atmosphere. You wouldn't want me farting up a storm in the next booth while you eat dinner, would you?

So are you saying you'd support a ban on farting indoors in places open to the public? Hmmm...
 
2006-01-12 05:32:56 PM  
There are something like 50,000 workers on NJ casino floors. I wonder if that is more than there are non smoking bar tenders?

kippson
Smoking bans suck but here's a way out of it.
Doesn't work the way the NJ law is written. The ONLY exemptions are casinos, and existing cigar bars than can prove 15% or more of their income came from tobacco sales prior to the ban. Interestingly enough there seems to be no provision for if I wanted to open a NEW cigar bar, or convert my current bar into one. Places like, Elks clubs and such get a 1 year exemption. Owner opperated means jack.

While I smoke, and of course am bummed the ban is coming, I expected it. While I don't think you being around second hand smoke for a few hours once a week will have any serious effect, or at least any effect worse on you than drinking for several hours a week will have, I do see the argument for bartenders.

So why not make the law "air quality in an area where employees are present must meet certain standards" This way if a bar wanted to invest in a heavy duty air purification system, they could still allow smoking in parts of the bar.
 
2006-01-12 05:33:14 PM  
www.artcohen.com

/not amused
 
2006-01-12 05:34:17 PM  
There's more non-smokers than smokers in this world.

When was the last time any one of you and your friends went to a smoke-free bar on purpose? It's laughable to tell someone to go to a place that doesn't allow smoking, nobody will because all of the good bars allow smoking. It's not a good bar because they allow smoking, it's that smokers flock to the good bars.

Therefore quit making me breathe your shiat when I'm drinking. Go to a cigar bar for it and let me have my bourbon, scotch and beer. I'll wave to you as your freezing your emphazema ass off on the back porch.
 
2006-01-12 05:36:13 PM  
Dental_FlossTycoon

While they make up a minority, I am sure that the bars earn a higher percentage of revenue from smokers and people who smoke at bars than people who don't smoke or actually care about being around smoke for a few hours.

because in short, if you are that serious about your health, you probably aren't spending much time in a bar sucking down beer.
 
2006-01-12 05:36:40 PM  
Dental_FlossTycoon: Therefore quit making me breathe your shiat when I'm drinking.


When the revolution comes, I'll make sure you get your own corner office and some dancing girls.
 
2006-01-12 05:37:29 PM  
www.aseclub.net
 
2006-01-12 05:39:35 PM  
Yeah, repeal the ban! Don't they know that strippers LOVE being surrounded by ugly guys with bad smokers' breath?
 
2006-01-12 05:40:44 PM  
"New Jersey Strippers"

Sounds like a great name for a WNBA basketball team!
 
2006-01-12 05:40:51 PM  
Dental_FlossTycoon: There's more non-smokers than smokers in this world.

Which has nothing to do with anything.

When was the last time any one of you and your friends went to a smoke-free bar on purpose? It's laughable to tell someone to go to a place that doesn't allow smoking, nobody will because all of the good bars allow smoking. It's not a good bar because they allow smoking, it's that smokers flock to the good bars.

Bars don't have to allow smoking. If the majority of people who went to a bar preferred it to be smoke-free, then they should tell the owner and try to convince them to go smoke free. I'd think that if the majority of people wanted a smoke-free environment, then they'd reward smoke-free establishments with their business. That's how a free market is supposed to work.

Therefore quit making me breathe your shiat when I'm drinking. Go to a cigar bar for it and let me have my bourbon, scotch and beer. I'll wave to you as your freezing your emphazema ass off on the back porch.

Cigar bars are banned as well. As you can see from the article, only casinos are allowed to have smoking. So apparently the employees of a casino and the other people who want to go to one don't merit the same consideration by this law. Stupid.
 
2006-01-12 05:40:53 PM  
I hate these farking laws. Do we have to legislate all behavior?

How about I burn a tire in a bar? No? Why do you need to legislate my behavior?

Smoking stinks, it makes my clothe stinks, my eyes dry, makes girls taste like ashtrays, it kills, it needs to go. The worst feeling in the world is finally kissing that hot girl and you feel like you're gonna puke.
 
2006-01-12 05:42:06 PM  
because in short, if you are that serious about your health, you probably aren't spending much time in a bar sucking down beer.

I like me some beer, but allergic as hell to cigarette smoke. What's an alcoholic to do?

I can't wait to stop sneezing, snotting myself, ashtray mouthed girls breathing their rancid breath on me and going home smelling like an ashtray. It's all fun for someone, not me.

Don't you think that more people smoke at bars because everyone else is too? I mean that's how every smoker started , peer pressure right?
 
2006-01-12 05:45:28 PM  
Dental_FlossTycoon: ashtray mouthed girls breathing their rancid breath on me


It can't be that bad, all they say is no. Is that fleeting time frame so bad?
 
2006-01-12 05:47:03 PM  
Tracer Bullet: It can't be that bad, all they say is no. Is that fleeting time frame so bad?

Well played.
 
2006-01-12 05:47:47 PM  
untrustworthy

Here is why you don't see many/any smoke free bars by choice. I smoke. I'm not a heavy smoker, and can go just fine for a day without them if I want/need to. But more often than not, I have a pack on me. When I am at a bar I certainly do. If I am going out with, say 5 of my random friends, you will have roughly the following breakdown.

0-1 other smoker
1-2 bar smokers (only smokes when they drink)
1-2 could care less about how smokey the bar is
1-2 would prefer if the bar wasn't smokey, but hey, whatever
0-1 Actually cares that the bar is smokey, and would prefer to go to a non smoking bar.

Guess which place we will go to. The fact of the matter is, as winey as the people are who care that much about this to make the noise to do something, they are a vast, vast, minority. The rest of the people don't care. Sure if you ask a non smoker "would you like it if this bar banned smoking" they will say yes, but the fact of the matter is they really didn't give a crap to begin with.
 
2006-01-12 05:49:40 PM  
Dental_FlossTycoon:Bars don't have to allow smoking. If the majority of people who went to a bar preferred it to be smoke-free, then they should tell the owner and try to convince them to go smoke free. I'd think that if the majority of people wanted a smoke-free environment, then they'd reward smoke-free establishments with their business. That's how a free market is supposed to work.

How many smoke free bars do you and your friends go to? Why is that? You can't say that everyone of your friends smoke? Of course not, bars go to the lowest commmon denominator. Smokers are addicts, they spend money drinking and smoking. Non smokers have to suffer their addiction. There are no other places to go, and no free market doesn't allow for me to smoke crack or screw a prostitute, or kill someone, or hit them, inside of a bar or whatever because we have laws that make common sense.
Smoking is harmfull to me, and when I'm in a communal regardless of private establishment or a public place it still harms me.
 
2006-01-12 05:52:25 PM  
untrustworthy
Welcome to bansville, population you. Let me know if you can still smoke there though.
 
2006-01-12 05:52:37 PM  
I can't stand all the drunks at bars, with their alcohol-breath and bad driving. Let's ban that too!

/STFU and go back home if you don't like the atmosphere of the place you CHOSE to place yourself...
 
2006-01-12 05:53:46 PM  
LineNoise: Here is why you don't see many/any smoke free bars by choice. I smoke. I'm not a heavy smoker, and can go just fine for a day without them if I want/need to. But more often than not, I have a pack on me. When I am at a bar I certainly do. If I am going out with, say 5 of my random friends, you will have roughly the following breakdown.

0-1 other smoker
1-2 bar smokers (only smokes when they drink)
1-2 could care less about how smokey the bar is
1-2 would prefer if the bar wasn't smokey, but hey, whatever
0-1 Actually cares that the bar is smokey, and would prefer to go to a non smoking bar.

Guess which place we will go to. The fact of the matter is, as winey as the people are who care that much about this to make the noise to do something, they are a vast, vast, minority. The rest of the people don't care. Sure if you ask a non smoker "would you like it if this bar banned smoking" they will say yes, but the fact of the matter is they really didn't give a crap to begin with.


In that case, we're all being forced by a minority to limit our rights to run a smoker-friendly establishment, or to enjoy the liberty of enjoying one. It's bullshiat. People need to stop asking the government to solve their problems.
 
2006-01-12 05:55:22 PM  
Non smokers have to suffer their addiction. There are no other places to go

You can drink in your home and not smoke anything. You can keep others from smoking there too.

I personally hate the smell of self-righteous dick holes. Yet I'm forced to sit next to them and listen to them biatch about what's on the TV, the music that's playing and all the cigarette smoke at the local bar. Non-dickholes have to suffer their addiction, and there are no other places to go.
 
2006-01-12 05:56:19 PM  
Oh, and regards to my
0-1 Actually cares that the bar is smokey, and would prefer to go to a non smoking bar.

statistic, I would like to point out that the reason it is many times 0, is because we usually dont call cry babies when we go out drinking.
 
2006-01-12 05:56:26 PM  
LineNoise: Welcome to bansville, population you. Let me know if you can still smoke there though.

Is this supposed to be clever?

Sorry, but when you expect the government to step in and place restriction on behavior you don't like, you automatically set yourself up for having them restrict activities you like but others don't. It's a never ending cycle of more laws that take more money to enforce, and fewer freedoms to enjoy.

Again, if you don't like smoking you are under no obligation to enter a private establishment that caters to smoking. You can go elsewhere that wants to cater to the non-smokers out there.
 
2006-01-12 05:57:04 PM  
I couldn't say it any better than you're doing untrustworthy and frankly this subject needs the undaunting dogged nature of your argument style to sink the points home.

Cause I can't convince anyone. People will still whine at me that they'd go out more if the smoke didn't bother them in places.

Which I know is total BS, but hey...
 
2006-01-12 05:57:26 PM  
Mmmmm Smokers.
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