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(The Smoking Gun)   Lying author's attorneys threaten The Smoking Gun to stop them from calling him a lying liar. The Smoking Gun is there   ( thesmokinggun.com) divider line
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2006-01-12 01:48:25 PM  
Theheadline is completely The headline indecipherably indecipherable.
 
2006-01-12 01:51:40 PM  
This good haedline is nto.
 
2006-01-12 01:52:47 PM  
Wow! Martin Singer is an ass and a really bad writer.
 
2006-01-12 01:53:55 PM  
Respect mah authorhas!
 
2006-01-12 01:54:25 PM  
Headline aside, the letter reads as desperate. A serious shyster would simply deliver a 'cease and desist', not actually try the case in the letter.

Martin Singer is an ass

I think I would have liked him better when he was drinking.
 
2006-01-12 01:54:35 PM  
We are well aware that Smoking Gun frequently elects to snidely disregard the content of letters from our firm, instead posting them on the website...

I love it.
 
2006-01-12 02:00:08 PM  
Lying liars should at least get decent lawyers. This guy came out of the phone book under "GET YOUR MONEY NOW!!!!1!!"
 
2006-01-12 02:00:10 PM  
My eyes feel like hurting.
 
2006-01-12 02:01:22 PM  
Submitter, you suck at everything.
 
2006-01-12 02:02:12 PM  
We are well aware that Smoking Gun frequently elects to snidely disregard the content of letters from our firm, instead posting them on the website...

Somebody's upset about not getting greenlit.
 
2006-01-12 02:03:51 PM  
The best part of the whole letter:

Confidential legal notice
Publication or dissemination is prohibited
 
2006-01-12 02:05:18 PM  
This is like watching Maddonna and Britney Spears trying to out-whore each other.
 
2006-01-12 03:00:15 PM  
He's just pissed because he got caught in some lies.
 
2006-01-12 04:05:13 PM  
The TSG article on Frey is very interesting, and well written.
 
2006-01-12 06:48:14 PM  
The most amazing part of this whole story is that it was broken by The Smoking Gun two and a half years after if was published. What happened to skepeticism and journalism?
 
2006-01-12 06:59:06 PM  
Heh. This letter I am sending to you (a third party with no fiduciary or privity relationship and therefore no basis for confidentiality) is confidential! Cause...I said so.
 
2006-01-12 07:58:21 PM  
Is this engrish.com?
 
2006-01-12 08:06:15 PM  
i dont understand whats up everyone's ass aboot this story....

is it all over a fiction/nonfiction label? yeah the guy wrote aboot himself, and yeah he embelished, but what writer doesnt embelish....

i just dont understand, the man writes a book, the world reads the book(thanks to oprah), and now part of world is upset because it was more graphic, a bit exaggeratted, and so forth
 
2006-01-12 08:06:44 PM  
He card reads good
 
2006-01-12 08:08:19 PM  
Any publication, disseminated or broadcast of any portion of this thread will constitute a breach of confidence and a violation of the Copyright act.
 
2006-01-12 08:08:38 PM  
My favorite part of this is that "The Smoking Gun" is owned by COURT TV.

You're going to sue a company that is owned by a network that ONLY COVERS COURT CASES!!

That ranks right up there with peeing on the electric fence in terms of intelligence - sure, you may get away with it, but WHY?!?
 
2006-01-12 08:08:47 PM  
opinion = implied knowledge of fact =!

Supreme Court has obviously never been on fark
 
2006-01-12 08:10:22 PM  
What a bunch of morans.
 
2006-01-12 08:10:59 PM  
And in other news, I would like you all to go to the nearest bookstore to buy my lastest memoir, "Dick and Jane"


Excerpt: "See Dick push Jane. Push, Dick, push !"

 
2006-01-12 08:11:18 PM  
Man, this guy is getting GREAT pub for his novel.

Has anybody read it?

I'm thinking of buying it.
 
2006-01-12 08:12:25 PM  
Jesus Christ, that's not a cease and desist letter, it's an entire brief. This guy is obviously getting paid by the hour.
 
2006-01-12 08:13:49 PM  
Only Hunter Thompsan gets to embellish.
 
2006-01-12 08:14:16 PM  
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.
 
2006-01-12 08:15:24 PM  
Reminds me of a conversation I had W my ex-father-in-law. I called him a liar and he got pissed and insisted no one had ever called him a liar before. It was kind of a circular conversation so 5 minutes later I ended up calling him a liar again and he said "do you know what happened to the last person to call me a liar?" To which I responded. "5 minutes ago you said no one had ever called you a liar before. Now your telling me it happens with enough frequency that you have some vaguely sinister S.O.P. for dealing with people who do so. So either you were lying to me then or your lying now. Either way your a liar."

Kinda like one of those Mastercard commercials:
Long distance phone call:$10
Divorce lawyer:$35,000
Outdebating a Harvard law grad: Priceless
 
2006-01-12 08:15:51 PM  
Anyone stupid enough to call themselves "II" as opposed to "Jr." shouldn't be practicing law. Whoops, there's one on the masthead now.

/Jr.
//THEN III
///not hard, folks
 
2006-01-12 08:16:12 PM  
mathmatix: thats kinda scratching the surface though. As I understand it, it's not simply a matter of fiction v. non-fiction. This guy is passing himself off as some sort of role model for addicts. Speaking at seminars and shiat like that. So, its not that he wrote fiction, but that he's peddling fiction off as fact to people who are looking for help. Apparently, his "method" for beating his addiction is some macho "sheer will" approach to.
 
2006-01-12 08:16:15 PM  
I'm with mathmatix.

I did a little research and I found out that a LOT of people embellished their stories. They were then called fiction or...even better - semi autobiographical.

If that book helped people to identify the addict/alcoholic in themselves and seek help, then WHO. THE FARK. CARES?
 
2006-01-12 08:17:07 PM  
Owned by courtTV?

-Oh rly?-
 
2006-01-12 08:18:15 PM  
Saying you think someone is a liar is libel? wow
 
2006-01-12 08:18:45 PM  
I didn't read it matt, but I know he DID attend a clinic, so it wasn't pure 'cowboy up' theory. At some point you DO have to beat an addiction via sheer will, though, don't you think?
 
2006-01-12 08:19:03 PM  
It's guys like this that give shysters a bad name.

Picking a fight with TSG pretty much fulfills Mark Twain's warning against arguing with people who buy ink by the barrel.
 
2006-01-12 08:19:35 PM  
What on earth is the BFD about this guy? You'd think he killed the pope with a gun made out of dead babies.

Oh, wait. He made The Oprah look like a (bigger) idiot. FRY HIM!
 
2006-01-12 08:19:37 PM  
I'm confused about when lying is alright and when lying is not alright. Could someone please help me with this?
 
2006-01-12 08:20:08 PM  
jarbabyj: If that book helped people to identify the addict/alcoholic in themselves and seek help, then WHO. THE FARK. CARES?


Yeah pretty much, just like the bible.
 
2006-01-12 08:20:23 PM  
OK...everybody go back and read the twaddle and see if you can identify the one who is "Legally Blond"
 
2006-01-12 08:20:33 PM  
and after rereading article, it seems more like the smoking gun is trying to do something more here, than just expose a 'lying liar'

its almost like a year or two ago, some major network, had this scoop on papers aboot the president and they ran with it.... yeah just like that......


not defending the guy, or even care, just seems weird that tsg is going after this guy so hard, yet for everyone else they just get mugshots and background story...

is this the first story for the TSG's news magazine show....just weird


and can we all just be happy for the guy, he is no longer an alcoholic, drug addicted criminal......

i mean give someone credit once and a while... its been over 12 hous since i smoked tweeds, i am not writing a book aboot it...lol
 
2006-01-12 08:20:34 PM  
I dont get how "everyone ELSE does it" is still somehow a valid defense
 
2006-01-12 08:22:14 PM  
mathmatix

i dont understand whats up everyone's ass aboot this story....

is it all over a fiction/nonfiction label? yeah the guy wrote aboot himself, and yeah he embelished, but what writer doesnt embelish....

i just dont understand, the man writes a book, the world reads the book(thanks to oprah), and now part of world is upset because it was more graphic, a bit exaggeratted, and so forth


There is a minor difference between "she was a 10" and "she was an 8".

There is a huge disparity between "I spent 3 months in prision, it is rough" and "I spent 8 hours waiting in a cell in ohio for a friend to post the bond".

-MT

\slash for the heck of it.
\\this thread needs more slash.
 
2006-01-12 08:22:22 PM  
Wow, that was like LA-lawyer-talk. "Let's play nice with the media."

AOL-Time Warner's lawyers would 0wz3r them.
 
2006-01-12 08:23:37 PM  
because storytelling, in general is lying. Since time immemorial story tellers have expanded on details to make their story more exciting. That's what makes them good story tellers.

The Marquis de Sade claimed to be writing about himself in several stories, but I highly doubt he murdered over a 1,000 women.
 
2006-01-12 08:23:54 PM  
At the end, the guy says that publication of the letter would be a violation of copyright law? Yeah, my ass. If I receive something in the mail, I can do whatever the fark I want with it.
 
2006-01-12 08:24:48 PM  
ManMan:
Anyone stupid enough to call themselves "II" as opposed to "Jr." shouldn't be practicing law. Whoops, there's one on the masthead now.

If said Jr. has a son, and he gets the III label, then Jr, turns into II.

- Wippit I
 
2006-01-12 08:25:35 PM  
From TFA: You also mentioned that my client lied about being in jail for 87 days. My client did not spend one night in jail, he spent a significant amount of time in jail - a lot more time than you or I would want to spend in jail - concerning this incident. Moreover, hypothetically, if it were not 87 days, it is irrelevant, as the book specifically states that "Some sequences and details of events have been changed."

Known in the business as a Weasel Clause.
 
2006-01-12 08:27:35 PM  
[image from stopthedrugwar.org too old to be available]

Real story about being in prison.
 
2006-01-12 08:27:50 PM  
how very odd. why has the woman signed herself off with the title Esquire, which is a male social rank?

maybe had an sex change?
 
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