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(Washington Times)   Virginia city repeals law that banned living with relatives   ( washingtontimes.com) divider line
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2006-01-12 12:25:00 PM  
What the hell was that law supposed to fix in the first place?
 
2006-01-12 12:30:55 PM  
612WharfAvenue

What the hell was that law supposed to fix in the first place?

It was meant to fix Manassas' growing "brown person" problem.

To me, the real story here is that The Washington Times isn't wholeheartedly supporting this law. It's right up their alley.
 
2006-01-12 12:31:32 PM  
living with biatchy in-laws, 612WharfAvenue?
 
2006-01-12 12:33:12 PM  
The law, which would have prevented relatives such as aunts, uncles and cousins from living together as a family, was seen as being directed against the growing Latino population in the city, reports The Washington Post.


LMAO!!! Hahahaha!!!!

ITYS!
 
2006-01-12 12:43:07 PM  
Wake me when they lift prohibition.
 
2006-01-12 12:51:12 PM  
WTF? Putting aside the racial implications for a moment, it was illegal for an extended family to live together? What? Did we lose a war while I was sleeping?
 
2006-01-12 01:09:38 PM  
sigdiamond2000: It was meant to fix Manassas' growing "brown person" problem.

Ding!
And it was only enforced upon "complaints", so calling the "housing police" on your brown neighbors would get them nice and hassled... Turns out too many of them were actually living legally, just with extended families... this was an attempt to get around that little "loophole"
 
2006-01-12 01:12:06 PM  
I know of a house near there where ~20 people live in a 2 or 3 bedroom house.....we call it freedom town

not that there is anything wrong with that
 
2006-01-12 01:31:44 PM  
Law was ineffectual as it did nothing to rid parents of their adult children living in the basement.
 
2006-01-12 01:51:03 PM  
StrikitRich

zing!
 
2006-01-12 02:52:22 PM  
West Virginia? I knew they were into that...
 
2006-01-12 02:53:21 PM  
I hate law.
 
2006-01-12 02:53:25 PM  
Actually it was banning more than 2 unrelated people from living with 8 other people because of overcrowding. The ACLU said it was "racist" (begin flamewar) but I live in the DC area and in my old place our neighbors had turned a one-bedroom apartment into a three-bedroom using blankets stapled to the ceiling and 10 people lived there, in 520 sq. ft. of space. I got them evicted.

My new HOA (Mr. SuperCrackMonkey is the VP) does not allow this or I wouldn't have bought the house.
 
2006-01-12 02:53:28 PM  
obviously a law to screw over the mexicans

I'm surprised it got repealed
 
2006-01-12 02:53:31 PM  
I know of entire areas here in Denver where you have 6+ illegals per bedroom.

Call it a brown person problem. Call it a disease potential. Call it something we can't do in prisons.

Or just call INS.
 
2006-01-12 02:53:53 PM  
Damn ACLU and their meddling.
 
2006-01-12 02:53:56 PM  
"They said they will look for an alternate way to address parking and other problems they associate with crowded housing and illegal immigration" = FOILED AGAIN, were gona have teh find a new way to skrew with the mexicans....
 
2006-01-12 02:54:22 PM  
tinypic.com

And it really is!
 
2006-01-12 02:54:50 PM  
I guess they can use Match.com there now.
 
2006-01-12 02:56:15 PM  
From the Washington Post article:

The ordinance, which was adopted Dec. 5, changed a definition of family in the city's zoning code, so that with a few exceptions, households were restricted to immediate relatives, even if the total number was below the legal occupancy limit.

For instance, a five-bedroom house shared by five cousins was deemed illegal in Manassas, a suburban city of 40,000 that is about 72 percent white, 15 percent Latino and 13 percent black.
 
2006-01-12 02:56:17 PM  
Yeah, it was targeted at Latinos. They'd send an inspector around, and he'd tell the occupants that he needed them to fill out a form saying who lived there and (wrongly) claiming they could be arrested if they lied. Since most of these folks were fairly unsophisticated immigrants, they didn't know any better and would comply.

It made me wish, in a way, that I lived in Manassas and was Latino, so when the guy showed up at my door I could violently remove him from my property.

/Remember, you can't spell Manassas without "man ass"
 
2006-01-12 02:57:33 PM  
Ahhh, Northern Virginia. I will miss you when I move away in two weeks.

NOT.

(Whatever happened to "Not"? I miss "not".)
 
2006-01-12 02:57:45 PM  
next thing you know, they'll be letting women vote.

i swear to god... this world has gone to hell with its queer emo disco drag queen agenda.

/huh?
 
2006-01-12 02:58:11 PM  
DenverDawg

I know of entire areas here in Denver where you have 6+ illegals per bedroom.

Call it a brown person problem. Call it a disease potential. Call it something we can't do in prisons.

Or just call INS


Spoken like a true ass. Is your name Clayton Bigsby?
 
2006-01-12 02:58:22 PM  
The Cartwright's ain't gonna like this.
 
2006-01-12 02:58:39 PM  
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/unavailable for comment
 
2006-01-12 02:59:41 PM  
Any minute now, the Mexicools are going to come riding to the rescue on their Juan Deere tractors.
 
2006-01-12 02:59:46 PM  
Sorry... must be posted.

Census-Taker.....Tim Meadows
Mr. Leonard.....Christopher Walken
Census-Taker: Mr. Leonard? I'm with the U.S. Census Bureau. We sent you a Census form, but you failed to return it to us.

Mr. Leonard: My mail is piled up like crazy.

Census-Taker: Yeah. Well, I just need to fill out this Census form with you. Uh.. how many people live in this residence?

Mr. Leonard:Oh, boy.. good question. I'm bad with numbers.. Maybe 80.

Census-Taker: 80 people live in this apartment?

Mr. Leonard: Seems high, doesn't it? Not 80. How about 4? I don't know.. I'm so bad at guestimating..

Census-Taker: Well, just take your time, and count.

Mr. Leonard: Okay.. there's me.. my wife.. our plants.. we have some candy bars..

Census-Taker: Well, you know, we don't count candy bars or plants..

Mr. Leonard: Well, then, there's just the two of us. Boy, I really overshot with the 80!

Census-Taker: Listen, don't worry about it. I'm gonna put you down as the Primary Resident, okay? Now, are you currently employed?

Mr. Leonard: Yeah.. part of the time.

Census-Taker: Well, you work part-time. How many days of the week?

Mr. Leonard: Every day.. but just part of the day. From 9 to 5.

Census-Taker: So, you work a full day?

Mr. Leonard: I wouldn't say that. There are huge chunks of time.. at night.. where I'm just asleep. For hours. It's ridiculous.

Census-Taker: No, it's not that ridiculous. Mr. Leonard, do you own or rent this apartment?

Mr. Leonard: Sure. You have to ask one of the other 79 people.

Census-Taker: You mean your wife?

Mr. Leonard: Yeah.

Census-Taker: Well, can I talk to her, then?

Mr. Leonard: She won't answer you. She's a bobcat.

Census-Taker: You got a bobcat in there?

Mr. Leonard: Well, I have a permit. [ reaches into apartment and pulls out a sheet of paper ] Here you go.

Census-Taker: [ examines paper ] This is a permit to run a nail salon.

Mr. Leonard: Wrong one! Wrong one! [ pulls another sheet of paper out of his apartment ]

Census-Taker: [ examines paper ] This is a permit to do street performances.

Mr. Leonard: Yeah. My wife's a big part of the act.

Census-Taker: [ shaking head ] You know what? Fine. [ changing subject ] Mr. Leonard, are you a citizen of the United States?

Mr. Leonard: I have dual-citizenship with the United States and Florida.

Census-Taker: Florida is a part of the United States.

Mr. Leonard: Don't push your politics on me, pal. All's I know is when I turned 50, I was issued a Florida passport. [ hands him the "passport" ] Here you go.

Census-Taker: [ examining "passport" ] Alright.. this is a novelty birthday card. And it says, "You're over the hill. Here's a passport to Florida." This is not a real passport.

Mr. Leonard: I don't know.. you know? Whenever I go to Florida, I show it at the border, and they always let me in!

Census-Taker: Listen, Mr. Leonard. A real passport wouldn't have a picture of a sexy nurse on it. This is a joke card.

Mr. Leonard: Well.. it's a hell of a forgery!

Census-Taker: [ exasperated ] Okay, let's just proceed as if this were going really well. Now, how long have you lived at this address?

Mr. Leonard: Oh, man! There you go with the numbers again!

Census-Taker: Just take your time.

Mr. Leonard: Well, what do most people say?

Census-Taker: That's not important!

Mr. Leonard: I feel an enormous amount of pressure to get this right. I want to win that car!

Census-Taker: [ shaking his head ] There's no car, Mr. Leonard! How long have you lived here?

Mr. Leonard: Alright, when I moved in, it was the Spring, and Clinton was President.. I'd just gotten out of jail.. I'd say an hour.

Census-Taker: Alright, let me go over this again, then. You are a convicted criminal, living alone in an apartment with a bobcat. And you work 56 hours a week as a street performer.

Mr. Leonard: When you say it like that, my life sounds pretty damn good!

Census-Taker: You know what? I've talked to a lot of people all over this country.. and your life is pretty damn good. You wanna get a beer?

Mr. Leonard: You know, I'd love to, but.. [ points into apartment ] ..you know.. the ol' ball and chain..

Census-Taker: Alright. Take care.

Mr. Leonard: Have a good one. [ returns into the apartment to find his bobcat/wife growling at him ] Again?! We just did it!
 
2006-01-12 02:59:53 PM  
2006-01-12 12:51:12 PM Mugato

WTF? Putting aside the racial implications for a moment, it was illegal for an extended family to live together? What? Did we lose a war while I was sleeping?


Not just extended families - "large" numbers of people living in a house designed for it. I don't know the exact number of adults it was supposed to limit, but it was a not-so-subtle attempt to restrict the number of Central American familes in the area.

For all the effort put into keeping "them" out, the sure seem to forget immigrants are the ones taking care of everything.
 
2006-01-12 03:00:56 PM  
My first tenants seemed like a nice couple. 6 months later they had 15 people living in my property. Yes, they were Mexicans. 3 bed 2 bath 1700sq..
 
2006-01-12 03:01:07 PM  
What about the poor souls who live in thier parents basement! They can finally get rid of their PO boxes!

To the post office!
 
2006-01-12 03:01:10 PM  
(Whatever happened to "Not"? I miss "not".)

Well, it was started in the late 1980s. You didn't expect it to be cool forever did you?
 
2006-01-12 03:02:20 PM  
D'oh. Preview pwnz me -

"large" numbers of peple living in a house NOT designed for it.

-and-

..THEY sure seem to forget immigrants are the ones taking care of everything.
 
2006-01-12 03:03:42 PM  
had this happen next to the house I grew up in. I have no problem if you want to stack yourselves like cordwood in your house and have 20+ people (literally) living in a 2 bedroom house.

I do have a problem when there are now 20+ cars, all in various states of disrepair, which are all over my street because the driveway can only hold 4. I also have a problem with the large amount of trash generated by the 20 people, which must be stored right next to my house all week, and which makes the front lawn look like staten island on trash day.
 
2006-01-12 03:03:42 PM  
From the headline I figured this was one of those way old out-dated laws that made some kind of wacky sense back in the 1800s.

Regardless of whether or not there is a "problem" what genius decided that they had the right to create a law like this?
 
2006-01-12 03:03:45 PM  
Manassas didn't do that right. In Loudoun County, VA (if I remember correctly from when I was a kid) you couldn't have more than x number of people per bedroom in your house. Or maybe it was brothers and sisters sharing the same room.

I think it had more to do with Social Services and child abuse/neglect issues and wasn't disciminatory.

Or maybe I have no clue what I'm talking about.


Manassas should check their law books again.
 
2006-01-12 03:03:59 PM  
The problem this was trying to address was that of overcrowding (20 people living in the same townhouse). With housing costs in this area what they are, this is getting more and more common. There are potential health and sanitation issues. When it's done by renters, rather than owners, it can lead to some really run-down living spaces pretty quickly. This plus a ton of beat-up vehicles creating parking problems can lead to *gasp* falling property values. Like people everywhere, the ones who want this law are motivated by self-interest.

That said, there is a huge "OMG brown people!!" element to this, and laws like this are not a good thing. I just felt I had to point out that there is a problem and there might be an argument for a 'max people per housing unit' or 'max people per bedroom' or 'max people per x square feet of finished living space' limit in communities if it were written and applied fairly.
 
2006-01-12 03:04:03 PM  
Sold My Soul to Rock and Roll

most of these folks were fairly unsophisticated immigrants

That should read: "most of these folks were fairly unsophisticated illegal immigrants..."
 
2006-01-12 03:04:32 PM  
Would the law apply to relatives who marry each other?
 
2006-01-12 03:05:37 PM  
OneHotBiscuit

Would the law apply to relatives who marry each other?


We're talking about VA, not W. VA.
 
2006-01-12 03:06:05 PM  
What if the cousins are married? We are talking about Manassas, here.

/lived there for two years.
 
2006-01-12 03:06:19 PM  
OK, but they can still keep screwing their relatives right?

I mean, it IS the South.

/flame away
 
2006-01-12 03:07:41 PM  
totient

the ones who want this law are motivated by self-interest.

No, we're not. I don't care what goddamned color you are, if there are 10 of you living in a two-bedroom house and parking your cars all the way up and down the street and dumping your 5 Hefty-bags full of trash on my lawn then I want you the hell out!

Not to mention the burden this puts on the county when property taxes are used to pay for schooling the 8 kids in that house...I could go on and on but the ACLU says it's racist, so...
 
2006-01-12 03:07:55 PM  
That should read: "most of these folks were fairly unsophisticated illegal immigrants..."

Actually, the Post had earlier profiled a family of Hispanic citizens (legal) who had been targeted by the residency gestapo.
 
2006-01-12 03:10:39 PM  
Ellijay GA had to pass ordinances a few years ago banning the keeping of livestock inside a residence. Evidently, the MesoAmericans really enjoy raising goats and chickens, even in an apartment. WTF?
 
2006-01-12 03:10:41 PM  
2006-01-12 02:53:31 PM DenverDawg
I know of entire areas here in Denver where you have 6+ illegals per bedroom.


We had 16 adults living in a one bedroom condo in our complex(yes, Mexicans). But they didn't cause a problem like the people who ran the meth lab.
 
2006-01-12 03:10:48 PM  
That should read: "most of these folks were fairly unsophisticated illegal immigrants..."

And you know this because? I'm assuming you work for INS, or something, there's not chance that you're just making shiat up because their skin is a different color, is there?

Anyway, back to the subject at hand. If you own a house, I don't see why you can't have as many people in there as you want. If you're renting, well than you need to abide by the restrictions of the lease agreement. If the property owner has a problem with it, they need to fix their leasing agreements, why the hell does the government need to make laws about that?
 
2006-01-12 03:12:06 PM  
SuperCrackMonkey

totient

the ones who want this law are motivated by self-interest.

No, we're not. I don't care what goddamned color you are, if there are 10 of you living in a two-bedroom house and parking your cars all the way up and down the street and dumping your 5 Hefty-bags full of trash on my lawn then I want you the hell out!

Yes, out of self-interest. You want your neighborhood to be nice-looking and clean, and keep your property values up. Me too. Granted, the worst example of this which is actually adjacent to my own house is 6 adults and 4 kids in a three-bedroom townhouse, which is not as bad as some I've seen (and lived next door to). Of course in this particular case they're very considerate about parking, and store their trash indoors until trash day, which is nice.
 
2006-01-12 03:12:17 PM  
Yeah, it clearly violates equal protection. It would have lost a court challenge, I'm sure.
 
2006-01-12 03:12:37 PM  
Yeah, the Post interviewed the one family to whom the law is actually unfair--I subscribe to it, I read it--and I agree that you shouldn't be penalized if you have 8 kids. If you can support them, go you, you shouldn't get in trouble because where are you going to find a 9-bedroom house? I'm not talking about a family with a lot of kids. I'm talking about a "family" that consists of 8 adults over the age of 18 who all live in a house, all own cars, all generate enough trash to fill a truck each week. Do you want them as your neighbors, furdell? If so, we'll tell Manassas to move them all to your neighborhood.
 
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