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(Business 2.0)   "Never write when you can talk. Never talk when you can nod. And never put anything in an email." Plus 48 more secrets of success from the world's most successful business leaders   (money.cnn.com) divider line 157
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2006-01-08 11:57:53 AM
That was actually a really good article.
 
2006-01-08 12:12:59 PM
great article.
 
2006-01-08 12:16:54 PM
Aye, a long read but worth it.
 
2006-01-08 01:18:12 PM
indeed. thanks for the link, submitter
 
2006-01-08 01:22:14 PM
"Never do insider trading while I'm NY state AG."
 
2006-01-08 03:40:42 PM
I was liking Spitzer but now I realize he's clearly a jackass.

There is one reason only to avoid putting things in writing, and it is to avoid responsibility and use your subordinates as scapegoats for your own poor decisions.
 
2006-01-08 03:44:33 PM
Never nod when you can wink.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2006-01-08 03:57:56 PM
I've enough experience with scapegoatism that I'm inclined to agree with vsync.

/was once told to move lots of equipment "in case the sheriff comes in the morning"
 
2006-01-08 07:04:11 PM
After some gruesome personal experience I can vouch for that the less you put in writing the better. Whatever you write can be misconstrued and worse yet, they can say that you falsified it to make yoursekf look good. You really can't win in that arena.

Oh, and the government really does have all our emails, so watch it.
 
2006-01-08 07:20:54 PM
Don't confuse luck with skill when judging others, and especially when judging yourself.

Amen! Needs to be said over and over again. There are too many rich kids running the world who were "born on third base and thought that they hit a triple".
 
2006-01-08 07:57:20 PM
*nod*
 
2006-01-08 09:25:40 PM
Is it just me or does Spitzer's advice sound more like tips on how to avoid getting caught doing something illegal?
 
2006-01-08 09:47:12 PM
Is it just me or does Spitzer's advice sound more like tips on how to avoid getting caught doing something illegal?

Have you seen how many executives have ended up in front of a jury over the past few years? I think it's starting to make the CEO's nervous - which is probably a good thing. I just wish they'd actually start behaving themselves rather than redoubling their efforts to avoid getting caught stealing from the company.
 
2006-01-09 12:04:27 AM
A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat.

Know what I mean, eh?
 
2006-01-09 12:32:57 AM
Wow. Someone posted AND greenlit a positive article that was related to big business. Refreshing.
 
2006-01-09 04:06:17 AM
After some gruesome personal experience I can vouch for that the less you put in writing the better.

So true. My last job my boss and I would have literal e-mail wars 5 feet away. She wasn't *that* superior to me but when she went on a big binger I had to use her computer and realized she saved everything.

Of course now we're good friends and I have a better job than she does now ;)
 
2006-01-09 04:10:27 AM
Funny, when I had to use my boss' computer, the first thing I saved was a screenshot of his Temporary Items folder.

/Promise Keeper my ass
 
2006-01-09 04:20:27 AM
Never click on a link in an email if you are unsure of its origins, especially if the email asks for personal information.

/great article
 
2006-01-09 04:25:05 AM
**nods**
 
2006-01-09 04:26:18 AM
that should be required reading for a lot of executives out there

its rare that you get that much good advice in one spot
 
2006-01-09 04:30:33 AM
I can't believe some of the stupid shiat people forward through the company email servers. People flirting, preaching, attacking others, all broadcast company wide. Makes me wonder how these people can be so educated, and be so stupid at the same time.
 
2006-01-09 04:31:19 AM
Must leave a post so that if by some happenstance I desire to return to read the rest of the article I will be able to find it. GREAT article submitter!

Kudos, now excuse while I go smoke a smoke and then pass out in bed next to my wife.

p.s. seriously I meant everything I said. God bless and to all a good night.
 
2006-01-09 04:32:53 AM
Jim Goodnight

I was talking to one of our heads of R&D and learned about a programming challenge they were facing with customer records. I said I'd write a procedure that does all the things we need to do and gave his team 20 lines of code.

My code ended up processing 100 million records. I wanted to challenge the programmers by showing them that, hey, if I can do this stuff, you can do this stuff. And I wanted to be able to converse with them at the basic, lowest level of programming on how this stuff works. I was so thrilled with what I'd done -- so proud, I guess -- that I gave seminars to all of our programmers on how to do it.


Does anybody else wonder if there is another side to this story?
 
2006-01-09 04:36:03 AM
err, yeah they should get rid of their programmers.
 
2006-01-09 04:36:30 AM
adrock68


Kudos, now excuse while I go smoke a smoke and then pass out in bed next to my wife.

My wife, she's a bobcat.
 
2006-01-09 04:39:02 AM
And remember: be yourself, because you have to be someone, and everyone else is already taken.
 
2006-01-09 04:42:09 AM
robotgod667: My wife, she's a bobcat.


Cover your wang dang. i hear that bobcat's love to livk the wang dang while ur sleepin'.

P montherfarkin S. Modmins, can we please get a greenlight on this one just the the sake of the great content of the article itself? A lot of Farkers should hear this stuff.
 
2006-01-09 04:43:45 AM
adrock68: robotgod667: My wife, she's a bobcat.

Cover your wang dang. i hear that bobcat's love to livk the wang dang while ur sleepin'.

P montherfarkin S. Modmins, can we please get a greenlight on this one just the the sake of the great content of the article itself? A lot of Farkers should hear this stuff.



insert all gramma/spelling coreections from my last post here.
 
2006-01-09 04:45:33 AM
I was talking to one of our heads of R&D and learned about a programming challenge they were facing with customer records. I said I'd write a procedure that does all the things we need to do and gave his team 20 lines of code.

[...] I was so thrilled with what I'd done -- so proud, I guess -- that I gave seminars to all of our programmers on how to do it.


Ngh! I just love it when my boss wants to get involved with the programming.
If he ever tried holding a seminar about it, I'd have to kill myself.

/or call in sick
//you know.. whatever
 
2006-01-09 04:46:14 AM
Shoulda said lick...Damnit. Drunk now....must really visit the boobies and hit the hay.
 
2006-01-09 05:00:40 AM
Steve Ballmer is on the list...

"Never yell when you can throw chairs."
 
2006-01-09 05:01:37 AM
oh, and his picture creeps me out for some reason...

i.cnn.net
 
2006-01-09 05:02:14 AM
If you look at the context, Spitzer, disgusted with the lack of ethics and lying by certain businessmen, is explaining what he, as the NY State AG, did when he suspected criminal activity.

He smelled vermin at Merrill Lynch, demanded and scoured through thousands of e-mails many thought deleted.

"Nothing is ever deleted," he said.


Merrill's marauders forgot to never talk when you can nod and, don't write when you can talk, Spitzer told 40 lawyers and business leaders last week.

"We suspected evidence and found the needle in the haystack, and got lucky; but we were smart enough to look in the right places," said New York State's 63rd attorney general. "E-mails are uncomfortable evidence to deal with almost like developing a DNA chain of evidence; it took some time but it was worth it."


Interview with the City Club of Miami

Spitzer was talking about what you should do if you are corrupt. He was being sarcastic. He states elsewhere that it would be better for businessmen to act within the law.
 
2006-01-09 05:22:44 AM
Network admin here. I can vouch for the email advice. I'm required by my company to keep all email indefinitely for legal reasons. I log the full text of every email going in and out, and everyone is well aware of it.

The suits are so paranoid about it that they read through a few every once in a while. Here's the kicker: it's not uncommon for your job to be doing this, whether you've been told or not. My mom's and sister's companies keep emails (7 years for mom, indefinitely for my sister). Dad's doesn't 'cause, well, he's self-employed.

Anyhow-just sayin'. Lesson to be learned here.
 
2006-01-09 05:31:16 AM
Never moon your boss when you leave a job because there's always a chance that his family member will be your supervisor on your next job.
 
2006-01-09 05:32:02 AM
Meliorist: I said I'd write a procedure that does all the things we need to do and gave his team 20 lines of code.


www.thinkgeek.com
 
2006-01-09 05:32:31 AM
"This is a new post-Enron corporate world" is what I keep hearing.

//seen a bunch of people fired for "falsification of timesheet" lately
 
2006-01-09 05:42:10 AM
reading through those,the secret appears to be being a white male; but being a skinny white female can also make a few million if they get lucky.

/no trolling intended but I've seen a man being chosen over a women with more qualifications and a better personality/people skills many times.
//not me,duh.
 
2006-01-09 05:48:22 AM
clown_freak: I noticed two indian dudes.
 
2006-01-09 05:54:57 AM
Phil Helmuth?
 
2006-01-09 06:01:59 AM
honor ?
 
2006-01-09 06:06:11 AM
branson rocks.
 
2006-01-09 06:15:42 AM
Phil Hellmuth
Poker world champion
What we do as poker players is read people. People lie to us; they try to bluff us constantly. So we get used to trying to sort out all the bullsh**. When I get pitched by people who are really good, like con men, they are not as good as the poker players.

You can't cheat an honest man. I don't know exactly why that is, but it's true for me. My honor is unquestioned in poker, and if you have perfect honor in poker, it's better than having it anywhere else in life because everyone remembers everything from 15 or 20 years ago. If you cheated then, they'll remember.

/See you at the WSOP Phil.
 
2006-01-09 06:30:22 AM
They have Carl Icahn on the list? Holy flaming WTF batman. This is the man more than any one other repsonsible for the EPS madness pervading stocks these days. He's the one who hyped earnings per share as god in the 80's. And it's that that's the reason companies have trashed benefits, frozen hires and so on. IBM missed earnings by a couple cents a share and laid off 10,000. Icahn deserves the mother of all cockpunches and to STFU. What a totally souless grabastic POS.
 
2006-01-09 06:30:28 AM
On top of working hard and all that, lets not forget the most important ingredients of business success.
1) Know the right people
2) start with a signinficant family fortune
3) Be good-looking or imposing, and be tall
4) steal ideas from other people who are not in a position develop them
5) be lucky

/plus all the other things
//yeah, just do that!
 
2006-01-09 06:44:17 AM
I just assumed by the headline that the article was about mobsters. I wasn't that far off.
 
2006-01-09 06:44:27 AM
1. Work hard
2. Work smart and be efficient with your time.
3. Work with thoese smarter than you
4. Look for what is the "next big thing" or, makes the "next big thing" even better.
5. Try again, fail again. Fail better.
6. Be honest.
7. Treat the customer as your boss.

I think I got em all.
 
2006-01-09 07:09:55 AM
On top of working hard and all that, lets not forget the most important ingredients of business success.
1) Know the right people
2) start with a signinficant family fortune
3) Be good-looking or imposing, and be tall
4) steal ideas from other people who are not in a position develop them
5) be lucky

Also:
6) Interpret all laws to suit yourself.
7) Deny, Deny, Deny


You can't cheat an honest man
No, but you can steal from him and slander him.
 
2006-01-09 07:12:24 AM
submitter

THANK YOU

just what i needed - been having one of those is-this-what-i-want-to-do days :-)
 
2006-01-09 07:15:13 AM
There are really fewer than that.

1. Be on time.
2. Get it done.
3. Look good doing it.

If you accomplish those three things, the sky is the limit for your career. Of course, as tolerances stretch in competing directions, often we find that we must abandon one of the three in favor of the other two. This is where your career is in danger and you must be at your sharpest.

For example, just after my first year of law school, I was burning the midnight oil on a case for the small firm I was clerking with, and I came in the next day looking every inch the all-nighter I had been. The motions were done, the case was all set, it was there early, and there was no question we were going to win. BUT... I looked like hell, so the other clerk got to go to court and argue the motion. Had I better managed my time, I could have given my law career an incredible jumpstart - especially in front of a judge who I still lack courtroom time with - by arguing the motion myself. In the end, though, I'm glad at least that the client was taken care of.
 
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