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(BBC)   Atlantic fishermen have lost their belief in Cod   (news.bbc.co.uk ) divider line
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2006-01-04 02:45:04 PM  
Maybe it's the Flying Calamari Monsters fault
 
2006-01-04 02:47:02 PM  
Some fleets have switched to deep-sea fisheries following the collapse in more commonly-caught species such as cod.

www.maj.com

/had to be done
 
2006-01-04 02:48:34 PM  
You'll get a shiatload of fish. I've gone out before and motored back with so much stock little boys like you had to pack it on the pier. I always find the fish, always! And I will this time. So don't fark with me!
 
2006-01-04 02:49:16 PM  

OBEY
www.repubblica.it
OBEY

 
2006-01-04 03:18:27 PM  
krelborne: /had to be done


Nice...............
 
2006-01-04 03:20:03 PM  
images5.theimagehosting.com
 
2006-01-04 03:21:45 PM  
Fallen angles?
 
2006-01-04 04:16:02 PM  
That headline worried me. Thankfully cod wasn't on the list as it's my favorite Friday night "bill 'o fare". (guess it's a Wisconsin thing)This friday it will be halibut that was flown in fresh frozen from Alaska by a friend of mine.
MMMMMM...Berghoff Bock and Halibut!
 
2006-01-04 06:38:59 PM  
Whoopti Dew: That headline worried me. Thankfully cod wasn't on the list as it's my favorite Friday night "bill 'o fare". (guess it's a Wisconsin thing)This friday it will be halibut that was flown in fresh frozen from Alaska by a friend of mine.
MMMMMM...Berghoff Bock and Halibut!



You might want to re-read the article or read the book Cod. True Atlantic Cod are pretty much done. Most Cod in resaurants are renamed species that used to be bycatch.
 
2006-01-04 07:17:38 PM  
Atlantic fishermen have lost their belief in overfished Cod into near extinction and want the government to give them a welfare check

fixed!
 
2006-01-04 08:12:27 PM  
www.mcdonalds.fi

WHERE IS YOUR COD NOW?
 
2006-01-04 08:16:15 PM  
Great headline.

I thought they stopped deep trawling years ago. Apparently not.

And now for the eco-flamewar. I think I'll pass on this one.
 
2006-01-04 08:23:03 PM  
Back in 6th grade my Weekly Reader said the sea would feed us all, no worries. But then again, it also said we were routing communism out of Vietnam.
 
2006-01-05 03:22:12 AM  
What about those drift net thingies that everyone was upset about 10 years ago? Still a concern?
 
2006-01-05 03:23:14 AM  
OK, anyone care to explain to me how this graphic is the best thing that BBC could come up with?

newsimg.bbc.co.uk
 
2006-01-05 03:24:23 AM  
And what's the deal w/ the double decker bus? Why are the british driving buses on the ocean floor?
 
2006-01-05 03:25:27 AM  
I dunno. Overfishing isn't technically something that animals would have to overcome naturally, but salmon manage to make it through to their breeding grounds every year, and they do it going upstream straight into the mouths of bears and wolves and seem to bear the weight of commercial fishing too. Maybe these endangered fish are just wimps.

Also...the giant squid evaded conclusive detection until only so many years ago, so there could be millions of species we haven't even found yet.

And the coelacanth was presumed extinct until they caught one. Maybe all the other endangered fishies are just hiding really well.

/I try to stay optimistic
 
2006-01-05 03:31:25 AM  
they should just let cod arise and his anemonies be scattered.
 
2006-01-05 03:33:10 AM  
No Cod!!! that means no Lutefisk!! dear Cod whatever will we do?!
 
2006-01-05 03:36:15 AM  
Hey, look. Howard's being eaten.

img222.imageshack.us
 
2006-01-05 03:42:49 AM  
Time to start worshiping Dagon, biatches (or at least the octopus lady).
 
2006-01-05 03:53:02 AM  
Guess it's time for Soylent Green to feed us all.

crypt0z0ic - How about Sedna, the Inuit Sea Goddess who controls all the food from the sea? Methinks we have severely pissed her off.
 
2006-01-05 03:57:27 AM  
We fark up one fishery, only to to move to the next, and the next, and the next. How long before we've farked them all? Not enough people care for there to be a reversal of this trend until it's too late. Although, we may run out of fuel for these boats (along with fuel for everything else) before it really gets too late.

Anyway, at some point, adding more boats and bigger nets won't net you any more fish, and we passed that point long ago. We need to scuttle the world's fishing fleets for a couple of decades, to let the fish recover,but that's not going to happen either. They'll probably still be fishing even when there's nothing left.

/not an optimist
//we're all farked
///it's our nature to fark ourselves
 
2006-01-05 03:57:50 AM  
LookOutForThatTree! - Is that a Seaman convention or something?

/doubts anyone remembers that game
//anticipates jokes involving something which sounds almost like "Seaman"
 
2006-01-05 04:00:12 AM  

2006-01-05 03:53:02 AM FunkOut

Guess it's time for Soylent Green to feed us all.

crypt0z0ic - How about Sedna, the Inuit Sea Goddess who controls all the food from the sea? Methinks we have severely pissed her off.


That works too, Eskimo women are hot.
 
2006-01-05 05:25:45 AM  
Deadapostle: Your follow up inadvertantly caused me to have to wipe beer splatter from my monitor and keyboard. (the kbd seems saveable, but unsure about the numpad...) :golf clap:

We're pretty protective of the salmon up here in the NW, but between the commercial and tribal fishing rights it can get pretty heated, as well as potentially exploited...

With Cod as a 'staple' sort of seafood (sorry, it flowed... hehe) overfishing is bound to hit at some point. Local fisheries over there may need to grow a nutsack and cockpunch the US Fish n Wildlife Svc to get anything done, but it might be a Good Thing to keep a staple fish sustainable in the long run...
 
2006-01-05 05:29:38 AM  
Earth Versus Soup

It's the fish from Monty Python's "Meaning of Life".

/Had a Dreamcast
//Seaman was awesome
 
2006-01-05 06:06:40 AM  
They have been trying to stop this for years. It destroys everything in its path and 99% of what it dredges up is tossed back dead into the ocean. They do it because there are fish nurseries on the ocean floor which can be harvested. What could possibly go wrong?

Fishermen are awesomely destructive, thier ignorance is unbelievable and they are fighting being stopped every inch of the way.

I stopped eating fish years ago.
 
2006-01-05 06:32:04 AM  
Wyteraven84: I dunno. Overfishing isn't technically something that animals would have to overcome naturally, but salmon manage to make it through to their breeding grounds every year, and they do it going upstream straight into the mouths of bears and wolves and seem to bear the weight of commercial fishing too. Maybe these endangered fish are just wimps.

Possibly, but they're damn tasty wimps, and I'd prefer those wimps survived well enough that I'll still be able to eat them in thirty years. If that means I have to stop eating them for five, I'd rather make that sacrifice than do without.
 
2006-01-05 06:40:57 AM  
This is such a non-story. It was concocted by those very same left wing, eco-terraists that are trying to ruin my God-given right to steward this Earth!

These terraists are the same ones that are pushing that global warming crap, preventing everyone's kids from being taught Intelligent Falling Design and recently declared war on Christmas - which coincidentally is why our God is punishing us by taking away our mandated Friday night fish dinners.

THEY ARE PERSECUTING US!
We need to kill them like Jesus commanded in the Bible!
 
2006-01-05 06:44:24 AM  
justlen
You might want to re-read the article or read the book Cod. True Atlantic Cod are pretty much done. Most Cod in resaurants are renamed species that used to be bycatch.

I stand corrected... sort of. I've never had a problem obtaining fresh cod from the deli at the local store. From what you tell me, I hope it's still cod. It tastes pretty darn good to me yet!
 
2006-01-05 06:45:20 AM  
Great headline!

www.globalschoolnet.org
 
2006-01-05 06:51:36 AM  
Mega-Fauna

Fishermen are awesomely destructive, thier ignorance is unbelievable and they are fighting being stopped every inch of the way.

It's absolutely 100% not an excuse, but many people who make their living from fishing come from deprived communities where fishing is literally the only way to make a buck. The oil and fishing boom in Scotland meant some incredibly poor people suddenly found themselves millionaires, and other people see that and think 'why not me?' It's a dangerous, shiatty job where people don't see their families for months on end, and are frequently injured or killed. You only take that risk if there's nothing else to do, and the pay is commensurate.

Saying that, the owners of those multi-million quid floating factories are murderous bastards who ignore the law to buy themselves another gold-plated Rolls.
 
2006-01-05 07:08:57 AM  
Suckers.
They forgot to mention global warming.
 
2006-01-05 07:10:54 AM  
You can't catch what no longer exists, poor or rich. If you are registered with the New York Times check out the article on how sharks will soon be extinct.

/Care now or cry later.
 
2006-01-05 07:49:24 AM  
Let go and let Dagon

/Ia!

//Anyone know how to make umlauts?
 
2006-01-05 08:09:22 AM  
img451.imageshack.us

You know when I was your age -- I went out to fishing with all my brothers -- and my father -- and everybody. And I was, I was the only one who caught a fish. Nobody else could catch one except me. You know how I did it? Every time I put the line in the water I said a Hail Mary -- and every time I said a Hail Mary I caught a fish. You believe that? It's true -- that's the secret.
 
2006-01-05 08:14:43 AM  
crypt0z0ic


2006-01-05 03:53:02 AM FunkOut

Guess it's time for Soylent Green to feed us all.

crypt0z0ic - How about Sedna, the Inuit Sea Goddess who controls all the food from the sea? Methinks we have severely pissed her off.


That works too, Eskimo women are hot.


You know what they say: "Sedna gives good headna"....

Eskimo women are hot because they *HAVE* to be.
 
2006-01-05 08:21:25 AM  
The Atlantic cod is virtually extinct. And no, it isn't hiding in the abyss, like the giant squid; that's part of the problem - it likes relatively shallow water.

Our local (CT) fish and chip shop seldom has cod any more. The good news is that it has haddock instead, which is every bit as good. As far as I know, the haddock stocks are in reasonably good shape.
The local Stop & Shop is selling hook-caught haddock. It's caught with hooked line, which is less damaging to the environment, and it's damned tasty.

/Give the cod a break - eat haddock
 
2006-01-05 08:27:07 AM  
"Oh Well, what species can we overfish to extinction next!"

/remembers Seaman
 
2006-01-05 08:43:52 AM  
Where is your
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Now?


seriously, though--Good book. Highly recommended.
 
2006-01-05 09:12:25 AM  
control: Back in 6th grade my Weekly Reader said the sea would feed us all, no worries.

Mine too, but it also said we'd have to eat plankton.

/good excuse to introduce a new vocabulary word.
//think it was 3rd grade for me, kinda hazy though.
 
2006-01-05 09:23:47 AM  
www.postthisinc.com
says In Cod We Trust(ed)... biggest image I could find in my 12 second search. Too lazy to read the article, but haven't we known this fact for a hell of a long time? NFLD fishermen sure have.
 
2006-01-05 09:38:41 AM  
I truly wish people would stop considering the ocean to be a limitless resource. There's this widespread assumption that the world's oceans are bottomless and boundaryless, filled with enough fish to feed the world forever and enough space to hold all the crap, garbage, and pollution we care to throw in it.

It isn't. It's a set of ecosystems, some limited to 15 fathoms of water depth in survivable range. And many of them are quite fragile. Yet seafood is the only major foodsource man still truly hunts. If you can imagine replacing the entire world's beef dependency with venison, you can just about approximate the damage caused by taking huge sums of the ocean's second-tier herbivores and killing them for our consumption.

We went trawling, once, for our marine biology course in order to survey the life in an area we were studying. We used a 1-foot trawling net, and even then the first time we pulled up 50 different species of sealife. Shrimp, pogey, squid... and innumerable fish which have no marketable value, and would have been thrown back as "waste" if we were a commercial fishing vessel.

The second pass, we got mud. Nothing but mud, and some old empty shells. We'd passed through the path of a different trawler, a likely-commercial one which had trawled the area illegally a little while before, and so there was nothing left.

We have the technology to farm fish. We farm cattle, we farm poultry, we farm bloody alligator - yet no one seriously talks about replacing man's demand on the wild with farmed stock when it comes to seafood. And so we continue to decimate one area after another in search of "a good catch" - unaware that the ocean is not infinite, and we may eventually run out of those altogether.
 
2006-01-05 09:53:37 AM  
Mega-Fauna: "I stopped eating fish years ago."

Good for you. Me, too. Unfortunately, there are too few people like us, and too many ignorant and selfish jerks in the world, and the rape of the oceans will go all the way to the bitter end. Ocean fish catches "peaked" way back in the 1980's; "Harvests" (a totally inappropriate word) have been steadily declining since. Humans will destroy ocean life without any doubt, and most of the damage has already been done.

We are "peaking" right now on just about everything: Fossil fuels, fresh water, soils, wilderness lands, metals, forest cover, you name it. Given that the majority of humans are either too stupid or too pig-headed to curb their appetities in order to avoid disaster, you won't see me crying for the poor humans when the die-off happens.

I wonder how all of these gluttonous breeders will prefer to eat their babies? Raw, broiled, or steamed? They'll probably do best to jerk the meat for long-term storage.
 
2006-01-05 10:07:30 AM  
Drakkenmaw brings up a good point:

We have the technology to farm fish. We farm cattle, we farm poultry, we farm bloody alligator - yet no one seriously talks about replacing man's demand on the wild with farmed stock when it comes to seafood.

This is a good line of thought but there is one major problem: The fish farming/aquaculture industry can be WORSE for the environment than one suspects. The higher concentration of fish fecal matter and waste, the chances that genetically altered fish can get out into the wild and threaten wild species, etc. Do a Google for farmed salmon...

/will be eating Sea Bass for dinner
 
2006-01-05 10:13:16 AM  
Aquaculture (or more accurately, ocean aquaculture) is just as destructive towards the environment as fishing. It pollutes the area around the fish pens with nutrient waste (from the high concentration of fish) and encourages overfishing of "feeder" species which are used to make fish meal fed to the fish being farmed.

Inland aquaculture (for catfish, tilapia, etc) is a lot less destructive, assuming the diet used for the fish isn't an overfished ocean species.

The real thing we need to do is figure out how to limit commercial fishermen to only harvesting "sustainable" amounts of all ocean species. That means elimination of fishing methods that are destructive of habitat (like bottom trawling) and methods that are indiscriminate and produce a ton of bycatch. It also means that fishermen stop fishing for species of fish which cannot be sustainably harvested, or drastically reduce their catch. The overall catch will have to come down, and prices will have to go up dramatically as a result. But I believe it is economically possible...we just have to find a way to enforce the rules. Right now the oceans are kind of in a "tragedy of the commons" situation - no one takes responsibility for the overall health of the fish populations because they cross national boundaries. We just have to make it economically viable for fishermen to protect the resources, and they will do so. That may mean making many varieties of fish a luxury item.

I'm not yet convinced humanity has the collective willpower to do anything effective about this problem until it's too late, unfortunately.
 
2006-01-05 10:16:39 AM  
deadapostle I think the double-deckers went out of service lately - except in BBC graphics?
DECMATH "According to the, ummm, Mexican Food Council, this plankton expired 3 years ago."
 
2006-01-05 10:16:46 AM  
Oh, all forms of agriculture and livestock husbandry have their cost. Witness the Great Plains being turned into a giant field of farms and pastures, with no wilderness prairie left.

But the obvious solution is to find ways to lessen the impact and maximize the return for each farm, so less of them are required and the controls on damage to the surrounding ecosystem are fixed to minimize the harm. It's a far better idea than just continuing to fish the ocean bare.
 
2006-01-05 10:31:01 AM  
Drakkenmaw: "Oh, all forms of agriculture and livestock husbandry have their cost. Witness the Great Plains being turned into a giant field of farms and pastures, with no wilderness prairie left."

This is the smart plan for the short-grass prairie:

http://www.gprc.org/Buffalo_Commons.html

"There once were over 400 million acres of wild prairie grasslands in the central part of North America. The backbone of the Buffalo Commons movement is the work over a period of decades to re-establish and re-connect a corridor large enough for bison and all other native prairie wildlife to survive and roam freely, over great, connected distances, while simultaneously restoring the health and sustainability of our communities wherever possible so that both land and people may prosper for a very long time."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mmmmmmmm. Bison rib-eye steak. You haven't lived until you've eaten one (soaked overnight in cracked black pepper, sage, and red wine, grilled medium-rare).
 
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