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(CNN)   CNN now reporting that only one of the miners found last night is still alive. "Sad" tag trumps "followup"   (cnn.com) divider line 619
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2006-01-04 12:09:30 PM  
Trapped in a mine that had caved in
And everyone knows the only ones left
Were Joe and me and Tim
When they broke through to pull us free
The only ones left to tell the tale
Were Joe and me

Timothy, Timothy, where on earth did you go?
Timothy, Timothy, God why don't I know?

Hungry as hell no food to eat
And Joe said that he would sell his soul
For just a piece of meat
Water enough to drink for two
And Joe said to me, "I'll have a swig
And then there's some for you."

Timothy, Timothy, Joe was looking at you
Timothy, Timothy, God what did we do?

I must have blacked out just around then
'Cause the very next thing that I could see
Was the light of the day again
My stomach was full as it could be
And nobody ever got around
To finding Timothy
Timothy...
 
2006-01-04 12:10:51 PM  
bassmaster:
If the families of the dead honestly thought that after 40 hours of breathing concentrated carbon monoxide that those coal miners were still alive or even functional human beings, then they were delsusional. Even if the company told the families the miners were alive, they didn't say tell them to expect the miners to walk out any minute. That shiate causes brain damage. The sole survivor; yeah he's farked. He won't really be "alive" in any real sense of the word. Those families knew or should have known that even if the miners were still alive they would be vegetables in the end. 3 hours of thinking you may have a vegetable for a father/brother/husband/etc is not as bad as thinking that person is going to come out ok.

"The sole survivor, Randal McCloy, was in critical condition with a collapsed lung and dehydration but no sign of brain damage or carbon monoxide poisoning after being trapped by an explosion for more than 42 hours, a doctor said."
 
2006-01-04 12:12:17 PM  
Heh looks like I am not alone in my thoughts...

/mentally notes to hit refresh then c-'n'-p long posts
 
2006-01-04 12:13:47 PM  
mmm... pancake: All of this before the bodies were even removed from the mines. So much for compassionate liberalism. It hasn't been 8 hours since the death of these men were reported and already the fark leftists have convinced themselves that it was Republicans that were responsible for their deaths.

The first attempt at making political gain from this tragedy in this thread:

2006-01-04 07:27:49 AM freznel

This is old news. How many people actual thought that CNN, NY Times, and other news orginizations would actual get this one right? Not me. I know that they never check there facts before they print.

/I hate the media
//I hate people that think the media isn't bias even more


/Just sayin'
 
2006-01-04 12:14:08 PM  
Clever Neologism

FEAR MY ELITE FAST TYPING SKILLZ, YO.
 
2006-01-04 12:16:15 PM  
MaritimeGirl
"The sole survivor, Randal McCloy, was in critical condition with a collapsed lung and dehydration but no sign of brain damage or carbon monoxide poisoning after being trapped by an explosion for more than 42 hours, a doctor said."

--My bad, 1 out of 13 made it. Great odds. Plus he's not awake yet, so we don't know how bad off he is. I still say he's farked, we'll see I guess.
 
2006-01-04 12:16:45 PM  
GavinTheAlmighty

FEAR MY ELITE FAST TYPING SKILLZ, YO.


*quakes in boots*

/they should've had Big Bad John
 
2006-01-04 12:17:00 PM  
OregonVet
I work for OSHA. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.


Are you saying this because OSHA dosn't regulate mining but MSHA does? I've actually been in a coal mine. I got down to the first level and freaked out with all that dirt and rock above my head. There is also a mueseum of mining in PA. It's up above Williamsport. They do tours of the mine and I suggest everyone vist and see for themselves what it's like.
 
2006-01-04 12:18:04 PM  
Sorry OregonVet That last bit wasn't for you. I just got on a tangent and forgot to make a new paragraph. lol
 
2006-01-04 12:22:07 PM  
Skleenar

Couldn't agree more.
 
2006-01-04 12:23:06 PM  
hey, it could have been worse(pops).

/visited centralia a few years back. kinda strange, in a ghost town kinda way
 
2006-01-04 12:27:56 PM  
Okay, after waking up a bit, I'm going to place my own media credit/blame:

Overall: Everyone went by the guy coming back from the mine (whom they couldn't have known, at least immediately, wasn't affiliated with the coal company)- and by 'everyone' I mean everyone from the townsfolk to the media- and then there was cheering. What else do you do at that point but report what the guy said to get the crowd cheering? The problem is, nobody ever managed to get anyone in for an interview that could have told them they were checking vitals, and that could have saved everyone an hour or two. I'll give the overall situation a C.

As for individuals (I went to bed still thinking they were alive, so know that):

MSNBC: Hired Rita Cosby, AKA Throaty McHuskington. Voice left me unable to watch MSNBC. F.

FOX News: Geraldo was reporting by cellphone, hugging and laughing with everyone he saw, and not only breaking the cardinal rule of keeping one's distance from a story, but throwing it on the ground, stomping on it, then rubbing it into the dirt with his shoes. F as well.

CNN: Anderson Cooper, meanwhile, did manage to keep his distance- it's okay to be happy, especially after Anderson's last 12 months were spent in places like Sri Lanka, New Orleans/Mississippi, Niger, Iraq and Syria- and remembered to do 2 things:
*Remind people that, yes 12 are alive, but one's dead, and
*Remind people that nothing's confirmed yet. Give him a B.
 
2006-01-04 12:29:16 PM  
From the mind of Jack Abramhoff: "Thanks for the cover, Jesus".
 
2006-01-04 12:31:04 PM  
Gosling,


FOX News: Geraldo was reporting by cellphone, hugging and laughing with everyone he saw, and not only breaking the cardinal rule of keeping one's distance from a story, but throwing it on the ground, stomping on it, then rubbing it into the dirt with his shoes. F as well.



Geraldo has never been able to seperate himself from any story. I remember just a few months ago that jerk was crying down in New Orleans while holding children... sick I tell you
 
2006-01-04 12:32:26 PM  
lordargent: We're not saying that it's not tragic. We're just saying that it shouldn't really be international news (the BBC has an article on it).


Why? Shouldn't we be able to care about ANYbody or just those that matter?
 
2006-01-04 12:34:54 PM  
GW, I know full well. He gets F's for that too. I mean, I has a news writing and reporting class last semester. The textbook made a huge deal out of keeping your distance. (Actually, it allowed one to help out on occasion if needed- otherwise the reporter's going to go nuts- but don't make a habit of it.)
 
2006-01-04 12:36:53 PM  
Miracles don't happen.
 
2006-01-04 12:37:46 PM  
Gosling
MSNBC: Hired Rita Cosby, AKA Throaty McHuskington. Voice left me unable to watch MSNBC. F.

Oh man, I can't stand her either. The second I hear that voice I'm flipping the channel!

/Well, maybe the next second... I always take a moment to mock her first.
 
2006-01-04 12:42:10 PM  
mmm... pancake: Couldn't agree more.


I'm glad that we agree that attempt to indicate bias of the media was a blatent attempt to make political hay from a tragedy.

And one that has little to redeem it, since it does nothing to point to a direction that could be taken to reduce such accidents in the future.

I'm glad that we can see eye to eye on this issue.
 
2006-01-04 12:44:02 PM  
Rita Cosby sounds like someone trying to imitate a life-long smoker.

Or Froggy from the Little Rascals.
 
2006-01-04 12:44:52 PM  
IdBeCrazyIf
Politics and the mining industry came up in the thread. F--
 
2006-01-04 12:48:52 PM  
I'm surprised that Bush didn't try to link the mine tragedy to Al Qaeda and Saddam in his speech this morning. I saw him standing there with the other three members of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and figured we'd be launching a preemptive strike on West Virginia in the next few hours.

/Old and Busted: 9/11
//New Hawtness: Mining Tragedy
 
2006-01-04 12:54:04 PM  
Rita Cosby is hot.
 
2006-01-04 12:54:47 PM  
Just passed the Philadelphia Inquirer machine on my way to lunch.

Headline: 12 Miners found alive!

The Inqy's credibility drips down another 8 notches.
 
2006-01-04 01:01:05 PM  
BiggityBanninated

In his defense a lot of former Republicans are identifying as independents and Libertarians these days because they are tired of being lied to, ripped off, and spied on. Unfortunately, a lot of them still buy in to that "liberals are evil and hate America and Christians and soldiers" bullshiat that they've had rammed down their throats for a few decades.

So if the real Republicans aren't the republicans, and the Democrats have all moved to Canada, who is really running Washington?
 
2006-01-04 01:02:56 PM  
evil twin skippy - ooo! i can answer that! shiat heads!
 
2006-01-04 01:10:13 PM  
Evil Twin Skippy
Pod people is the only explanation I can come up with.

Jerry Seinfeld had a bit about baseball teams and how the players got traded so much that in the end you were just pulling for a jersey.

I think a lot of the remaining Republicans are just pulling for a jersey. They like the name of the team and it feels familiar and they like to see their team win.
 
2006-01-04 01:15:25 PM  
If...
every news outlet referenced 12 miners surviving this as a 'miracle' just last night
Then...
where are the "God Kills 12 Miners" headlines this morning?
Else...
I want the Pope and the Governor to explain the screw-up.
 
2006-01-04 01:17:19 PM  
God bless the miners and blah blah blah, just give me more leg shots of the Fox news Babes
 
2006-01-04 01:20:54 PM  
Evil Twin Skippy
So if the real Republicans aren't the republicans, and the Democrats have all moved to Canada, who is really running Washington?

Are you familiar with the phase "the inmates are running the asylum"?
 
2006-01-04 01:21:22 PM  
Hatfield said he knew within 20 minutes that an error had been made and that not all 12 were alive, but said he did not inform jubilant family members. "We couldn't correct the information without knowing more about it," he told reporters. "Let's put this in perspective -- who do we tell not to celebrate?

LAME.
 
2006-01-04 01:23:03 PM  
phrase damnit phrase
 
2006-01-04 01:30:14 PM  
Inaccurate television?

That's unpossible!
 
2006-01-04 01:38:30 PM  
And the MSM won't tell this part of the story, either:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/jan2006/sago-j04_prn.shtml

[snip]

President Bush issued a perfunctory statement on Tuesday, saying the nation was praying for the men and pledging federal help in the effort to bring them out alive. "May God bless those who are trapped below the earth," he said.

The hypocrisy of Bushs remarks is highlighted by the role of his administration in gutting mine safety inspections and promoting the downsizing, deregulation and unlimited profiteering that have contributed to this tragedy.

[snip]

For its part, the Bush administration has gutted safety and health conditions in the mines. As it has in other regulatory agencies, the White House has stacked the Mine Safety and Health Administration with representatives of corporate interests, reduced funds and manpower to enforce regulations, and scrapped critical safety and health regulations.

Bush named former Massey Energy official Stanley Suboleski to the MSHA review commission that decides all legal matters under the federal Mine Act. The current MSHA chief is Richard Sickler, a former manager of Beth Energy mines.

Last month, a federal law judge threw out all eight MSHA citations against Jim Walters Resources that were the result of an investigation into the 2001 explosions at the company's Alabama mine, where 13 miners were killed. The judge, who said MSHA failed to prove its allegations, reduced the fines for the miners deaths to $3,000. In the eyes of the court, the life of a miner was worth no more than $230!
 
2006-01-04 01:43:49 PM  
Gosling: Geraldo was reporting by cellphone, hugging and laughing with everyone he saw, and not only breaking the cardinal rule of keeping one's distance from a story, but throwing it on the ground, stomping on it, then rubbing it into the dirt with his shoes.

That's what he does. That's ALL he does. And he won't stop until you're...Oh sorry, I was mistaking Geraldo with the Terminator there for a minute.
 
2006-01-04 01:47:51 PM  
At first, they were all like "IT IS A MIRACLE".


tinypic.com
 
2006-01-04 01:49:36 PM  
mmmm... pancake
Thank you for proving my point. The mere fact that you think I'm right wing shows you how little you know about me. Your ignorance is duly noted.

So it's ok for you to assume someone is a leftist, but not ok for someone else to assume you're right-wing?

please. this is fark. all we have are assumptions, preconceptions and opinions.

i, for one, can't even begin to figure out how this turned into a political flamewar. I can only imagine someone must have made mention of some law that got passed that did something to safety standards which may or may not have had any effect on this accident. being at work, i can't afford to read through the entire thread.
 
2006-01-04 01:50:04 PM  
Did West Virginia recently ban ID from public schools?
 
2006-01-04 01:55:56 PM  
redpenner:
Hatfield said he knew within 20 minutes that an error had been made and that not all 12 were alive, but said he did not inform jubilant family members. "We couldn't correct the information without knowing more about it," he told reporters. "Let's put this in perspective -- who do we tell not to celebrate?

LAME.


lame? 20 minutes after "12 miners were found" turned to "They're alive, it's a miracle!", Hatfield knew that not all 12 were alive. Reports say they didn't know who was alive and who wasn't, only that all 12 were not alive. It took another 2.5 hours to determine that all 12 had in fact died.

so what do you do? You know that 20 minutes ago the families were mistakenly told that the 12 remaining miners were found alive. Do you:

a) immediately tell them that the report was wrong, and now you don't know which, if any, of the miners are alive and which are dead, and you don't know how long it'll be until you know for certain, let the families wait in limbo for who knows how long, and then possibly tell some of them that their loved ones are alive and some that their loved ones are dead

b) figure out for certain the status of all 12 miners, and then relay that information to the families

it's not an easy call either way, but you can't fault them for choosing b.
 
2006-01-04 01:56:10 PM  
canyoneer, Thanks for posting that.

Now, I hope the conservatives will realize these miners blood is on their hands.

Time for impeachment hearings yet?
 
2006-01-04 02:07:58 PM  
binnster: Archie DeBunker

Imagine yourself pulling a body out of that mine.

Ok....*imagines*.... right, that was needlessly depressing.

For my next thought I'll imagine drowning a bag of puppies.



I like the way you think Binnster.
 
2006-01-04 02:12:54 PM  
Jack31081
a) immediately tell them that the report was wrong, and now you don't know which, if any, of the miners are alive and which are dead, and you don't know how long it'll be until you know for certain, let the families wait in limbo for who knows how long, and then possibly tell some of them that their loved ones are alive and some that their loved ones are dead

Yeah, that's pretty much what I wish they would have done. Just issue a statement, not even a microphone appearance, saying that they can not confirm reports that 12 are alive, but that they have located 12 bodies and are checking for vital signs.
 
2006-01-04 02:24:30 PM  
2006-01-04 01:38:30 PM canyoneer

That's great. Now post evidence citing this mining accident was a result of those policies before using this accident as political fodder for Bush-hate.
 
2006-01-04 02:30:57 PM  
As a member of the media who loathes much of the media, I have to begrudgingly side with the media on this one. You people seem to be forgetting where "facts" in situations like these come from. No journliast was digging around in the mine for the miners. This made it impossible for an eye-witness account by a journalist of the status of the miners. So journalists had to rely on second-hand information, which they did. They reported what the CEO of the mining company said, the local officials said and the families said. With so many people, several in positions of authority, in agreement with each other, there was no reason not to report the information. I haven't read every story about the incident, but I'm betting most conveyed the status of the miner's with trepidation e.g. allegedly alive or alive according to so-and-so. This was the best way to report the information. I do not believe the media erred on this one.

Now as far as criticisms of the media go, many are deserving. But generalizations about how "evil" the media is or how it is "corrupting" our society are foolish. Media is a necessity. I'm for small media that form collectives to report bigger stories and transmit news over wider areas. I'm not for big media. But it's what we have and it is better than ignorance.
 
2006-01-04 02:31:07 PM  
From watching the video feeds on CNN.com, I can only surmise the following things:

1.) People are dead
2.) People are sad
3.) The words "did" and "were" are not in the WV lexicon and have been replaced by "dun" and "wuz"
 
2006-01-04 02:40:52 PM  
Jack31081 - i'll tell you right now, i and many others (including many of the families we are speaking about) DO fault them for chosing your choice B. waiting 3 hours is not an acceptable choice, i dont see how anyone can think that it is. when you know 20 minutes later that they are getting their hopes up and you already know that at least some of them are going to be let down by the truth, he should have warned them right then not to get their hopes up. the families should have been informed that there was no confirmation that the miners were rescued, only that they were found.
 
2006-01-04 02:42:22 PM  
ChiTiger

I understand everything your saying. But I heard a reporter several days ago, might have been on this story or another, I don't recall. What they said was that they had "2 sources" for what they had just reported, because they always try to get 2 sources. I wonder if they had 2 sources last night.

And I was up flipping between this and the Orange Bowl last night. They didn't report it with anything other then spontaneous joy at first, in fact they were clamoring to get mic's in the face of people to share in their relief. Their was no holding back the dam once it burst.
 
2006-01-04 02:55:47 PM  
deadspace:
i'll tell you right now, i and many others (including many of the families we are speaking about) DO fault them for chosing your choice B. waiting 3 hours is not an acceptable choice, i dont see how anyone can think that it is. when you know 20 minutes later that they are getting their hopes up and you already know that at least some of them are going to be let down by the truth, he should have warned them right then not to get their hopes up. the families should have been informed that there was no confirmation that the miners were rescued, only that they were found.

I just don't see how 20 minutes is better than 3 hours. either way their world is going to crash. it's not like their hopes slowly rose over the course of 3 hours. as soon as they heard the miners were alive, their emotions probably went about as high as possible.

granted the family members are saying they should have been told earlier. I'd probably be saying the same thing, but the truth is that they feel they shouldn't have been 'lied' to in the first place. if the families were told 20 minutes later that the information was wrong, we'd be having the same conversation about 20 minutes being too long.

my point is that i'd rather know the truth instead of being told 'we don't know'
 
2006-01-04 02:57:51 PM  
Kudos to Hang On Voltaire for not only trying to get people to back up their statements, but pissing them off in the process.

People talking out of their asses hate it when you ask them to back up their statements. And honestly, on the internet, there's no excuse for not being able to find a semi-credible supporting reference.

I skipped through all of Hang On Voltaire's posts and I don't see what he was doing wrong. Unless you consider calling people on their uninformed statements to be something wrong.

Anyways, what's with all this talk of "drowning a bag of puppies." You're on Fark.com damnit. We only kill kittens here.
 
2006-01-04 03:02:39 PM  
As a member of the "Liberal media" I understand how CNN reported it "wrong"

At the rescue command, there were conflicting reports that the miners were found. Some people thought they were found alive. So a lot of the cell phones, radios and other rescue equipment was buzzing that the miners were alive. Some of the rescuers thought they were found alive.

You have to keep in mind, that TV, Radio and internet media go for went by what they were hearing. Rumors are news. As anyone who's seen Munic... there were reports that the hostages were alive.

My newspaper chain shut their presses down, and corrected their stories when the story changed. This took a lot of overtime, wasted materials and threw off our time table, but OUR chain can proudly say we got the news 100 percent right to 100 percent of our readers.

Remember...Newspapers are one of the better sources of reliable information.

/At least on this one...
 
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