Forced? Forced!?

I'm tired of all the ingrates, whiners, and biatches. Blessed thou art, Ms. sparkle skull.

/not submitter.

Bullets that are shot straight up, come down with such low force a standard hardhat will stop/deflect them.

Shadi: Bullets that are shot straight up, come down with such low force a standard hardhat will stop/deflect them.

Sweet. Lets see some links on that.

9.8 meter per second per second is the acceleration. So I guess it depends on how high that bullet gets before it lands, and how big it is.

/slightly drunk.

Why doesn't she just:

Found out tonight a woman I work with got shot in the shoulder on New Year's Eve by a bullet some yahoo shot in the air, I'm guessing a long way away.

It had decelerated enough not to stay in her body, but enough to leave her with a big ol' bullet hole in her shoulder.

Dumbasses.

She needs that like...

/one please

Police hope the person who fired the shot will turn themselves in to authorities.

Good luck on that one, guys.

Terminal velocity of a .306 is ~300 fps. They're about 11.7 grams, which means around 44 footlbs.
Getting shot "normally" is around 2400 footlbs.

fishrockcarving: plenty enough velocity


The weight and aerodynamic cross-section have lot to do with it. A light, flat-nosed or tumbling bullet is going to have much less velocity when it hits. a .45 slug, especially a fully-jacketed one, is heavy and squat. I imagine it falls relatively fast for a bullet.

Police hope the person who fired the shot will turn themselves in to authorities.

You accidentally shot an illeagel immigrant in the face and she was later kicked out of the hospital. Yup, this is the one to go down for.

Coolhaus: tumbling bullet

Exit RPM is around 30k for a bullet. I would bet the bullet is still spinning from the initial launch, and therefore cannot tumble.

Shadi: I would bet the bullet is still spinning from the initial launch, and therefore cannot tumble.

My inclination is to think that the bullet would have shed it's rotation at some point, but I imagine that it varies from fired round to fired round, depending on number of twists, barrel length, bullet material/friction, etc.

Police hope the person who fired the shot will turn themselves in to authorities.

er, yeah. Right. That could happen.

(If it does, I will eat a live Florida cockroach.)

*snicker*

its. its. stupid, stupid mongrel, nonsensical English language...

Shadi: Terminal velocity of a .306 is ~300 fps. They're about 11.7 grams, which means around 44 footlbs.


Uhm, this was a .45 round, which generally leave the barrel at around 900 fps.

300!, LOL, we play paintball at 280.

so.....I'm just wondering what Darwin has to say about this.

"Only the lower end of the gene pool actually looks up at the sky during a New Years celebration"

...or something

log_jammin:
No offense taken. Gyroscopic effect keeps a bullet from tumbling end over end, this is why we spin projectiles.
First link from Google to explain this: http://www.snipersparadise.com/wound/formulas.htm#gyroscopicstability
30k was for a pistol. Rifles get around 180k.

munkyv22: Uhm, this was a .45 round, which generally leave the barrel at around 900 fps.

Correct, muzzle velocity may be that high, but the "Terminal Velocity" is when air resistance is able to equally counteract gravity's acceleration. So you only get a mere 300 fps.

tasteme: so.....I'm just wondering what Darwin has to say about this.


I believe that the official Darwinian response would be:

"Sometimes, in the struggle for survival, shiat happens."

sarty: I hope they gave the family some options.

or at least give her a bunch of pain meds gratis. accoding to the article she was in the hospital only 3 days.....the pain would be unbearable untreated

"Bullets that are shot straight up, come down with such low force a standard hardhat will stop/deflect them."

Because we all know we should be wearing our hard hats in front of the tv.
Sheesh.

It's not like they were warned this could happen.

Fortunately she had the atmosphere to help. In a vacuum, the bullet would have been travelling at the initial muzzle velocity when it hit her.

Best John Woo movie ever:

they could attach a little chain to the bullet then slowly turn the tension up on the chain over a couple of years to pull it out but... seems like putting your head in a vice and hitting it with a hammer would be more fun.

munkyv22: 300!, LOL, we play paintball at 280.

A paintball at 280 is strong enough to destroy an eyeball. And that's just a gelatine capsule.

Or, didn't your paintball instructor ever do the tomato demonstration?

/plays at 290

I dunno, I wasn't very frightened by the pic.

too much science in this thread.



thats better

Its the African Swallow and the Coconut theory.

A .45, shot straight up, could lodge a slug in your skull. If you jump eye first, into it at the specific point of impact.

Did anyone else look at her Boobies in the x-ray??

\perv.

OK, question for every one. I've heard everytime I go past the Empire State Building or the Sears Tower that if I drop a penny (which weights less then a 9 mm bullet) off from the top, it will gain enough acceleration to kill a person if it falls on their head. Now, I'm not math or science teacher, I'm not a teacher at all for that matter, but I'm willing to bet (and I'm not a better) that a bullet shot straight up in the air (and I'm not air) will reach a height much higher than the Sears Tower. So that said bullet falling back down to earth, under the power of gravity, should have the energy and speed to kill anyone if it hits them in the head.

Unless then whole penny thing was just a bunch of shiat said to impress a (then) little kid.

They did the penny thing on Mythbusters.

When the bullet hits your eye
as it falls from the sky
That's amore

/sorry
//not really

Farking hillbillies. Honestly, when will people learn what an way to ring in the New Year that is?

---insert "asinine"

A buddy of mine got shot while watching fireworks on his mom's lap when he was like two, he still has bullet fragments in his head and can't do anything that may lead to a blow to the head, as that could easily kill him. Damn rednecks and guns. Someone call Jack Thompson, this has to have something to do with violent video games!!!

POE - did the penny pass the myth test or not?

Worst-case scenario, she becomes a Bond villain who, as the bullet inches further into her skull, becomes immune to pain and gets stronger and stronger until she dies.

Guns don't Kill....Gravity Does!

NSFW?

/I see boobies!

homeless...They proved it was a myth.

Nope, IIRC they busted it.

This is what she looked like before being injured...

She was holding her 7-month old child when she was shot.


From an earlier version of the article: Last New Year's Eve, a stray bullet fired more than 2,200 yards away struck and killed a 75-year-old man.

Still, you know that has to suck when you're forced to live with a bullet in your head (probably a very slim chance that something like this would occur; any Farkers want to hit me up some statistics?) thanks to some crazy ass shooting off their gun.

Since Cintron is not a U.S. citizen, she does not qualify for aide, Local 6 News reported.

Now if she were from Mexico...

And before anyone says it's somehow OK, because she wasn't here legally, consider that a stray airborne bullet cares little whether the person in its path has a was born here or has a green card or not...

Somewhere near the AZ/MEX border a BP agent fires into the air thinking he is too far away from civilization to harm anyone. Then all of a sudden, TONK!

homeless: Unless then whole penny thing was just a bunch of shiat said to impress a (then) little kid.


Pennies tumble very easy and are just about impossible for them to fall vertically (which would be required to gain enough speed to do any damage)

I read somewhere (maybe the strait dope) that you can test the terminal velocity of pennies by tying a string to one and driving around in a car with it hanging out the window... when it is at 45 degrees, that is as fast as it would reach when droped off a building... and if my memory serves me correctly, that is at ~25 miles per hour -- no big deal.

fishrockcarving: From the link, Experiments on cadavers and such have shown, for example, that a .38 caliber revolver bullet will perforate the skin and lodge in the underlying tissue at 191 feet per second and that triple-ought buckshot will do so at 213 feet per second.

In Shadi's defense, his original assertion was not that a falling bullet was not deadly, but that it could be deflected by a hard hat. Since a hard hat is significantly more difficult to perforate than human skin, I haven't seen anyone counter this claim.

Cintron, who does not have health insurance, was forced to leave the hospital Tuesday because she cannot afford further care for her injuries, according to the report.

Since Cintron is not a U.S. citizen, she does not qualify for aide, Local 6 News reported.

Well, that explains the headline.

everyone cuts shadi down because they think he's eminem in disguise, and its sad when eminem has more of his scientific facts straight then a bunch of farkers.

A group of my friends had made a habit of shooting their guns in the air the past couple of New Years, and I had finally convinced them to stop the idiotic practice. Well, unfortunately, when some of our group are cops who are insisting on doing it, and the Chief of Police of that city is two houses away doing it . . . it's hard to stop the stupidity.

/thinks this should be just as prosecutable as any other accidental shooting
//wishes there were some way to identify the shooter

Aside from the whole immigration issue, the article doesn't comment on whether it would actually be a good idea to have the bullet removed. Removing the bullet would require the eye to be removed as well, and it most likely isn't doing any damage sitting where it currently is. I remember my old English teacher from high school still had a bullet lodged in his chin from Vietnam, because there wasn't really any reason to try to remove it.

MorningBreath: I'll bet she did not see that coming.

Ouch! That is so bad, it's actually good!

That's spooky, sad, and the exact reason I stayed indoors all of New Year's. Because of asstards who feel the need to waste rounds like that. I smile every time the Darwin Effect removes the person that fired it. I mean, what is the farking point? To make even more noise? *Rolls eyes.* Farking rednecks.

Fark It
If she's not here legally why should we have to foot the bill for her long-term healthcare?

It doesn't say she's not here legally, it says she's not a citizen, dipshiat.

Way to show your racism.

Again, this just proves all guns should be banned. There is no true reason in the modern world -- particularly the U.S. -- for citizens to have them. They do nothing but kill and for anyone to argue otherwise is insane... I mean, they're a tool of death. It's the one thing about the Constitution that truly is wrong now that the world is more modern than back in the 1800s. Sigh. I would hate to have my eye shot out only to be kicked out of the hospital.

Shooting their guns in the air, eh? And once a year you say?

Sounds like a bunch of angsty kids with itchy trigger fingers. Haven't been able to use their explosive little toys for a while, so they just gotta feel that grip in their hand.

We'd all be better of if they just killed a few kittens with those hands, rather than firing their DANGEROUS guns off.

I understand the "right to bear arms", and the implications for such an imbedded idea. But come on... think a little. Granted, they're drunk at the time. But come on...

/ think a little.

300!, LOL, we play paintball at 280.

Unless you're 'pro' at our local field, then you play at 350, because nobody will chrony you in your awesome $250 worth of brand covered sportswear, and you need that extra fps so your shots go farther and you can take out all the rec players without ever getting hit yourself. Pro.

I HATE pros.

Fark It Why? Do tell, I'd be interested in a logical counter-point.

So for those who think this woman should have her medical bills paid....yeah. There are a *lot* of people in this country regardless of citizenship who can't afford insurance, and would be bankrupt trying to pay for even a minor hospital stay. Why's she so special? Because she was on the news? And if it's paid, where's the money going to come from?

"Oh hospitals are so filthy rich they can cover one person for free."

Yes hospitals can survive despite non paying patients, as any institution with Mercy or Saint in it's name proves, but where do you come up with criteria on who deserves free health care and who should pay to keep the system going?

Apparently you asshats that take the "she shouldn't have been here in the first place" medical treatment plan don't travel...you think hospitals in any other industrialized country would turn anyone away like this? No...

Cintron, who does not have health insurance, was forced to leave the hospital Tuesday because she cannot afford further care for her injuries, according to the report.

Oh I'm so GLAD we are heading the same idiotic way in the Netherlands, thanks minister-president Balkenende!

Bullets that are shot straight up, come down with such low force a standard hardhat will stop/deflect them.

I don't know if tha'ts true, or even how that helps, unless we're all going to start wearing hardhats all the time. If I have to wear one, I'm covering it with tin-foil, just in case.

I had a buddy once who liked to fire his shotgun on New Year's eve. After seeing him do it once, I convinced him not to do it anymore, since the returning projectiles(slugs) might hurt someone.

So, on the following 4th of July he brings out the shotgun. There's alot of people there, since we're have a bbq and such going on. So everyone is watching him, and he points the gun straight down into the lawn and fires, missing his own foot by a distance too small to really measure.

There were lots of murmurs along the lines of "he really shouldn't have a gun", and soon enough we weren't buddies anymore. I always think of that incident when I read stories like this.

Actually, I take everything I say back...I'd love nothing more than for those said asshats to go overseas and have to hear, "well, we could put that (insert appendage) back on easily, but by golly, he just shouldn't have been here in the first place...he'll live, just give him some Advil."

move on, nothing to see here

glad i don't live in america.

\UK resident
\\Much stricter gun control = less gun deaths/injuries
\\\Free healthcare provided by the state
\\\\Flame on!

I want an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!

/You'll shoot your eye out, kid.

kaz71: but where do you come up with criteria on who deserves free health care and who should pay to keep the system going?


How about basing it on income?

...if I just wanted the silicon dug out of my backbrain I could go to mexico city!!

You can try to base it on income, but as usual those with the most income would manage to find loopholes or ways around whatever mechanism you use for decision making and leave the poor folks in the same dilema.

You can try to fund a health-care system on taxes, but seriously.....good luck on that end trying to convince people that more of their paycheck vanishing every couple of weeks is for the good of everyone.

You could try and stop hospitals and drug companies from being huge profit machines, but again there's too many people making too much money for that to ever change.

Fark It

Freedom means not having to worry someone else might kill you. Inherently, guns make killing people much easier, see my logic in why they should be banned? Other reasons:

Killing = people
Hunting = killing stuff, people or animals
Sport Shooting = find a real sport
Defense = against what?... other people with guns! I wouldn't be car jacked by a guy with a baseball bat
Collecting = huh? just collect non-functioning guns
(I mean these could replace the real thing)

See? Guns don't really have a purpose like knives, bats and other "weapons". Oh well, guess other nations will just take the progressive lead like they are doing lately.

...if man-catchers are outlawed, only outlaws will have man-catchers

There's one good reason to remove the bullet because then you can trace it back to the gun. I'm sure there are not many 45 caliber guns in Central Florida. Maybe the bullet was handmade in Thailand. Bond could trace it back to Sacramanga.

Hey Fark It

Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better!

Now, you see Mr. NRA, that YOUR right to "bear arms" also means that really stupid and usually drunk people have those same rights.

/which represents the majority of people in the US that feel the need to own a gun in the first place.

if this log rolls over we'll all be dead!

Um, yeah, cause a cell phone is just like a gun.

/tard.

zenferret
/tard.


pot. kettle.

If this happened to a US citizen in Ecuador we would all freak out if the hospital didnt help in every way possible. I believe in socialized health care to an extent. If the ailment is self inflicted, epecially from smoking, drinking or obesity, then you can pay a specialist for your problem. A doctor has more important things to think about than money.

My hospital would never kick somoene out without completing their care regardless of their ability to pay or their residency status. That being said, I don't know what else needs to be done as they already performed the enucleation (removing her eyeball). Treating GSW's (gunshot wounds)isn't like the movies, as long as the bullet is not impinging on the spinal canal or other vital structures or causing pain we don't go digging it out. If we do take it out, we have to turn it over to the police, you don't get to keep it and wear it on a necklace.

"Cintron, who does not have health insurance, was forced to leave the hospital Tuesday because she cannot afford further care for her injuries, according to the report."

This wouldn't happen in Canada where we [still] have socialized healthcare.

/America has hospitals but Canada has Hospitals
//a vote for Stephen Harper and his Conservatives is a vote for little-h hospitals.
///privatization of healthcare is a step toward facism

Last I heard, most bullets were made of lead. Is that the kind of thing you want to leave in a body?

Can someone explain to me all the "a bullet fired upwards can be easily deflected and won't hurt anyone?" This woman has a bullet lodged in her eye.

Fark It, I dont even know how you came to that conclusion. I never suggested not paying the doctors. Im suggesting that should never have to be concerned about whether or not they will be paid for doing the work. Instead of paying one of hundreds of insurance companies that are there to compete for the most profit, why isnt the money pooled, ie taxed, and paid out that way? What if they dont work? US citizens who dont work, dont pay taxes, or dont pay for insurance already effectively have socialized heath care, so why not the rest of us? Money. Not the lack of it, but who wants it.

I wonder which well-regulated militia that moron is part of?

Police hope the person who fired the shot will turn themselves in to authorities.

the next day 12 575 peoples shows up to the police station to turn themselves in.

Her teats look farking disgusting. They should have fixed those while she was under.

Good thing i spent new year's driving around shooting my gun up in the air while totally hammered and high on C.

I know how she feels

kaz71:
You can try to fund a health-care system on taxes, but seriously.....good luck on that end trying to convince people that more of their paycheck vanishing every couple of weeks is for the good of everyone.

It might actually mean that less of their paycheck would vanish; most governments in countries with socialized healthcare spends less per capita than the US.

This, my friends, is why I was in my apartment, asleep when the new year rang in. It's just too damned dangerous with all the freakjobs they let buy fire arms anymore.

Too bad, though. That had to suck.

\I could make a joke about skull-farking but not even I'm that sick...
\\At least she'll be one step closer to being a true pirate with the impending eye patch
\\\Yarrrrrrrr!
\\\\Slashy slash slash

"Since Cintron is not a U.S. citizen, she does not qualify for aide, Local 6 News reported."

That's nice. Welcome to America.

Time for one cheap shot, though:

Maybe she should have gone to Canada, eh?

\Hoser!
\\Stereotypes are fun!

Yeah! UK healthcare and anti-gun policy are great!

Though I'm surprised there's even "aid" for american citizens without insurance.

DUH, Xenophobes!

immigrant != illegal immigrant

There are many millions of people from other countries living and working legally in the US as permanent residents who pay taxes and can access most of the same public benefits as citizens.

You can live and work in the US most of your entire life, even marry an american and live together, while never becoming a citizen. That's not a crime.

America going off and invading a country who never attacked us, spending 15 billion dollars a month on a war predicated on a lie, when there could be better public healthcare is a crime.

I have an employee who refused to get medical insurance, caught his drunk arse on fire (at home) and had two skin grafts plus treatment for the burns. AQll at no charge except for the meds--$500 is all he paid. That is less than what I pay for medical insurance.

Considering dropping insurance.

GungFu: Best John Woo movie ever:

There's no such thing.

I just moved here for work and was telling a friend that I was scared that the fireworks were gunshots all new year's. It was mostly a joke at the time. The first night I was here I ordered a pizza. The driver called me to say he couldn't get into my apt complex because there were multiple cop cars arresting someone at the gate. Quite the welcome wagon. Any floridian farkers with tips on enjoying life in central fl, hit me up; i'd love to hear 'em. /eventually did get her pizza; it was good.at least that's positive, right?

Hey, didn't I see this episode on CSI a while back? They used triangulation to determine where the bullet came from.

Call Horatio or Grissom.

I didn't drink on New Year's Eve, much less light fireworks and shoot guns into the air - though I certainly had the means to do so.

Why should I pay for the idiocy of others? Why make a big deal about her getting hit by a bullet on a re-entry course to the ground? This is overblown - one unlucky woman gets drawn the short straw by fate. I'm willing to bet a hell of a lot more people were involved in alcohol-related car accidents this past holiday, but I don't seem to see much outrage over that.

People are irresponsible and stupid with guns, alcohol, cars, and raw chicken; you name it, someone, somewhere, is being a screwup with it. But this is the "price" (and for most of us, it's a microscopically small one) we pay for a free society. All we can do is use common sense, remind others to do the same, and expect the best - and it usually happens.

We can't regulate stupid behavior out of existence, but we can work around it. And we, as a nation and as a globe, must do so - because freedom is a downhill thing. It is easy to get rid of, but so often uphill to grab again. Especially since the people who lead us are just as stupid, if not more so, as the people they lead.

So, in this fresh new year, keep that in mind. What doesn't hurt you, well, doesn't hurt you.

That said, it's a shame about this woman's medical coverage, and it's unfortunate that some asshole had to go out and play chicken with everyone else's liberty.

2006-01-04 07:08:18 AM Itchy_Beaver
Her teats look farking disgusting. They should have fixed those while she was under.

She's lying on her back. Give her a break already.

It doesn't say she's not here legally, it says she's not a citizen, dipshiat.

Way to show your racism.

Yeah everything is racist if you think they shouldnt be in this country legally.

/STFU
//here improperly get the fudge out

2006-01-04 12:37:18 AM Shadi


Terminal velocity of a .306 is ~300 fps. They're about 11.7 grams, which means around 44 footlbs.
Getting shot "normally" is around 2400 footlbs.

I've fired a .30-06 and a .308, but a .306 is a new one on me. Must be one of those "wildcat" rounds......

An investigation determined that the bullet came from someone who fired into the sky to ring in the New Year.

Thank you, Mr. Holmes.

The bullet destroyed Cintron's eye and became lodged in her skull behind an eye socket. Doctors said removing the bullet means removing her eye, which is already destroyed.

Cintron, who does not have health insurance, was forced to leave the hospital Tuesday because she cannot afford further care for her injuries, according to the report.
---end quote
Wow, it must really suck to be her. I can't imagine being turned away from help, right when I really need it. Ah, but she is lucky to be alive, although what kind of luck granted her continued existance is debatable.

Damn, this is just incredibly sad.

In a semi-related "firearms and new years don't mix" note.

When my cousin was 17 he and a buddy walked out in a frozen field to celebrate the new year by firing off a couple rounds.

The buddy slipped on the ice and virtually decapitated himself via a full round of 12g 00 buckshot.

A very sad, and messy lesson.

There is nothing in the article that says she's there illegaly. If one of you American Farkers comes to the UK and breaks your leg you will have it fixed for free. Are you saying that if I travel to your country and break my leg I can't have it fixed?

Moot point, I'll not come to your country until you fix your stupid gun laws.

No matter what the circumstances, just because a person has no money, should not mean they get inferior health care. I mean doctors take the Hippocratic Oath, not the hypocrite oath.

NowWatchThisDrive: GungFu: Best John Woo movie ever:

There's no such thing.

You mean in the encompassing sense that there are absolutely no absolutes and there is no such thing that can be judged as being a) best b) John Woo movie and c) ever?

I see what you mean now.

texxasrulez: No matter what the circumstances, just because a person has no money, should not mean they get inferior health care.

Absolutely. And no matter what the circumstances, just because a person has no money, should not mean they get inferior food. We should be feeding welfare families lobster and filet mignon. To do less shames us as Americans and humans.

Swiss Colony: Moot point, I'll not come to your country until you fix your stupid gun laws.



I didn't realize they were broken?

Shame on the hospital. Give the lady the treatment she deserves and choke on the bill.

baldwookie: Shame on the hospital. Give the lady the treatment she deserves and choke on the bill.

Mind if I ask what you do for a living?

Animals tend to do pretty good with no healthcare at all. Why do we need it to be universal?
Pansies, the lot of you!

I'm a bio-medical researcher

Sloth_DC: Absolutely. And no matter what the circumstances, just because a person has no money, should not mean they get inferior food. We should be feeding welfare families lobster and filet mignon. To do less shames us as Americans and humans.


If surgery was comparative with the price of a lobster, then you are correct. 5 dollars for one aspirin the last time I was at the hospital. 750 dollars for a swig of cough medicine ...

texxasrulez: If surgery was comparative with the price of a lobster, then you are correct. 5 dollars for one aspirin the last time I was at the hospital. 750 dollars for a swig of cough medicine ...



Wow - so just imagine the hypothetical cost of hospital lobster and filet mignon...

Anyone know when the Hypocratic Oath went out the window?

baldwookie: I'm a bio-medical researcher

Willing to continuously do gratis research for people who can't pay?

/You do not have the right to give away other people's labor and goods.

baldwookie: Anyone know when the Hypocratic Oath went out the window?



Probably around the time people figured out that they could get free goods and services through exploiting it, then suing the doctors afterwards for malpractice on the free treatment that they scammed.

texxasrulez: If surgery was comparative with the price of a lobster, then you are correct. 5 dollars for one aspirin the last time I was at the hospital. 750 dollars for a swig of cough medicine ...

The software I write starts aroung $10,000. That doesn't mean I feel obligated to give it away to people who want it but can't afford it.

/Bonus: it's medical software.

Sloth_DC

Hospitals do stuff for free all the time... called quid pro bono. I know it is not my right to give away other people's labor and goods, but I do believe in the right to quality of life. I have done gratis research for people who don't pay...ever heard of grad school? Companies and hospitals alike put into their budgets moneys to fund non-profitable research and/or surgeries. It's bad management to not do so.
That's all I have to say.


BTW... from DC... Represent.

I read this and almost started complaining about the injustice that this woman had to endure. They kicked her out of the hospital because she doesn't have health insurance. But then I read she isn't a citizen. That shot my sympathy right out the door.

baldwookie: Hospitals do stuff for free all the time... called quid pro bono.

Sure, but you have no right to _force_ somebody to provide free goods and/or services.

BTW... from DC... Represent.

Junkyard dawgs in tha house...

What's wrong with these asshats who shoot live rounds into the air? Where do they think the bullets go?

Mega Steve Why, the bullet fairy that lives in the sky gathers them up, of course, then gives them to flea market goers to make Christmas ornaments out of them.

I wonder. what are the odds the same gun has been used elsewhere and is "known to police"? I'd imagine the police would want that bullet to see if they can find out who fired it.

Unless shooting people in the face isn't that big a deal in Florida.

/Figure this one out, Grissom!
//Or would it be Horatio?

Sloth_DC / Fark It

Points well taken. I jumped the gun. Just thinking about possible infections and such that go along with bullet wounds especially in that critical of an area. It goes along with my line of work, and I see it as very dangerous. If the doctors have cleaned the wound up and consider it safe enough to discharge her, who am I to second guess them. They are more experienced than I.

/Backing off argument

word up my DC brother.

But then I read she isn't a citizen. That shot my sympathy right out the door.

Why do you suppose that is?

Fark It

The problem is that there are too many people in this country who expect other people to support them because they've made poor choices.


Such as the choice to look skywards on New Year's eve...

wh0mprat: I wonder. what are the odds the same gun has been used elsewhere and is "known to police"?

Low.

I'd imagine the police would want that bullet to see if they can find out who fired it.

If, for some reason, this became a case they were going to vigorously pursue, sure.

Unless shooting people in the face isn't that big a deal in Florida.

Depends on how much publicity it gets and public pressure is exerted.

baldwookie
I have done gratis research for people who don't pay...ever heard of grad school?
You're still being paid when you do research during grad school, except that the payment isn't in money but instead in getting your degree. That's not exactly a shining pillar of altruism there.
Besides, the hospital did provide free services to the woman in saving her life. They did not, however, provide a free, risky surgury that could have possibly killed her and wasn't medically necessary. Plenty of people live with bullets or bullet fragments in their body since the danger of leaving them in doesn't outweigh the danger of removing them. This is probably just such a case.

What is this? MEXICO!?

Shooting guns off in celebration is for knuckle draggers enthralled by the mystery of fire.

Depends on how much publicity it gets and public pressure is exerted..

Wow, note to self. Do not get shot in the face in Florida :)

baldwookie
I should have previewed before posting, sorry. Glad to see everyone has come to an agreement.

Static Ninja

Actually, the research I did had nothing to do with earning credits towards my degree (wasn't my thesis). I did the research as a favor to a professor because he did not have the time to complete it.

Static Ninja

last comment wasn't meant to be taken in a rude way

wh0mprat: Wow, note to self. Do not get shot in the face in Florida :)

Floriduh's not so different from most places. Just try not to get shot in the face :)

But then I read she isn't a citizen. That shot my sympathy right out the door.

wh0mprat: Why do you suppose that is?

I really don't know. I guess I don't know much about this woman but if she were an illegal alien then I DO NOT have sympathy for her story. Does this make me heartless?

ms. bigglesworth
I really don't know. I guess I don't know much about this woman but if she were an illegal alien then I DO NOT have sympathy for her story. Does this make me heartless?

Yes. Yes it does.

ms. bigglesworth: I read this and almost started complaining about the injustice that this woman had to endure. They kicked her out of the hospital because she doesn't have health insurance. But then I read she isn't a citizen. That shot my sympathy right out the door.

Do yourself a favor (and the rest of us), don't ever travel outside the US. If you do and find yourself requiring medical attention you'd better suck it up and hang on until you get back to the US, right?

Does this make me heartless?

well to be honest - it does, at least in my book. also non-citizen status does not necessarily mean illegal. i for one am a greencard holder of non-US origin... currently without health insurance, i might add.

haplo53 I guess you are right. I like to cuddle up with corpses and I like to eat little babies. Their skin isn't as tough as an adult. I am a cold, heartless, woman.

ms. bigglesworth
I guess you are right. I like to cuddle up with corpses and I like to eat little babies. Their skin isn't as tough as an adult. I am a cold, heartless, woman.

you asked.

hongcouver Okay, will do. Fortunately, I work for a company that does business overseas. Our insurance plan is quite extensive and since we have a lot of employees that travel we are all covered outside of the country.

the un_person Read what I wrote again...

I really don't know. I guess I don't know much about this woman but if she were an illegal alien then I DO NOT have sympathy

autothing

LOL.

If you're being serious, then you need to step away from the keyboard and head to the bathroom. Promptly remove your brain from the toilet water tank. Reinstert your brain into your cranial cavity and read some history books. Watching the news and paying attention to current events would also help to alleviate this apparent ignorance of truth.

I own firearms for several reasons, such as sport, hunting, collecting, etc. However, the primary reason is to kill bad guys. And I truly hope that I am never faced with that task.

Remember, autothing, life is worth protecting. My son and daughters are worth protecting. My wife is worth protecting. My neighbor across the street, whom I have never met, is worth protecting. We do not live in a peaceful or civilized society.

The world is dangerous, and life is worth protecting.

shadi: *I would bet the bullet is still spinning from the initial launch, and therefore cannot tumble.*

arhg!!! its not a rocket ship. bullets tumble.

Shadi: Bullets that are shot straight up, come down with such low force a standard hardhat will stop/deflect them.

That doesn't make sense; it goes up, loses its momentum to gravity, then goes down, and gains momentum from gravity. Shouldn't they be about the same (minus air resistance)?

But then I read she isn't a citizen. That shot my sympathy right out the door.

well, this is what i read first.

I bet her family flies her home, they take out the bullet in Ecuador at no charge and it's a top news item in Quito for like, 2 weeks.

Ms. Bigglesworth

I'd suggest that you take the time to consider how a person's legal status makes it ok for you to have no sympathy for them.

It's a slippery slope, and you may find yourself looking for reasons not to care about someone who's been unfortunate.

If more of the fines, property confiscations, and legal fees collected through our legal system went to crime victims, and not lawyers, police, and the government, this woman would get the medical treatment she deserves rather easily.

Remember, autothing, life is worth protecting. My son and daughters are worth protecting. My wife is worth protecting. My neighbor across the street, whom I have never met, is worth protecting. We do not live in a peaceful or civilized society.

The world is dangerous, and life is worth protecting

Is Ruby Cintron worth protecting?

Because a lot of Farkers appear to thinkk not.

acutally, just to let you all know....the muzzle velocity of a colt 45 is 968 fps. That's the magic number...if you can run faster than that, you have a pretty good chance of staying alive in the ghetto wearing a nazi uniform.

AuntNotAnt: That doesn't make sense; it goes up, loses its momentum to gravity, then goes down, and gains momentum from gravity. Shouldn't they be about the same (minus air resistance)?

Yes, that's correct. Now, some bullets will tumble a lot, and their skirts will provide an air-brake effect, which makes _those bullets_ come down with considerably less force when fired straight up. However, most celebratory firings are not even close to vertical, and actually travel an exaggerated parabola which still has close to normal energy at the point of impact.

In other news, several hundred farkers forced to see another news site with countless irritating animated banners off to the side like some 5 yr old designed the site.

2006-01-04 12:22:02 AM Shadi
Bullets that are shot straight up, come down with such low force a standard hardhat will stop/deflect them.

So what you're trying to say is we all need to wear hardhats to counteract the stupidity of idiots firing guns when they aren't smart enough to own them?

I'm betting you're the same kind of asshat that's blaming the woman for being shot because it's her responsibility to watch for stray bullets too...

"Again, this just proves all guns should be banned. There is no true reason in the modern world -- particularly the U.S. -- for citizens to have them. They do nothing but kill and for anyone to argue otherwise is insane... I mean, they're a tool of death. It's the one thing about the Constitution that truly is wrong now that the world is more modern than back in the 1800s"

Wow..just..wow..I'm not sure which is more idiotic..the fact that someone shot a gun into the air on New Years..or this rediculous quote by autothing....

Xai: glad i don't live in america.

I too am glad you don't live in America.

/flame on

ms. bigglesworth: I like to cuddle up with corpses and I like to eat little babies. Their skin isn't as tough as an adult. I am a cold, heartless, woman.



Stop. I'm becomming aroused....

I have never understood this. It is right there in the name.

"Illegal immigrant"
Says right there. "illegal" It can't be any more blatant than that.

So, why, exactly, is she not given emergency medical care and then immediately shipped home?

Khaal -- she isn't immediately shipped home because she can't make it through security with a bullet.

wh0mprat

Fark it couldn't have said it better. I guess the way I wrote it was missy misunderstood. Give her the treatment than send her on her way. Nothing more and nothing less. I have no tolerance for people who don't abide by the law. Again, I do not know if she is illegal but if she were...blah..blah..blah...you get my point.

ExJerseyGirl: Khaal -- she isn't immediately shipped home because she can't make it through security with a bullet.

It's not like she has a box-cutter lodged in her head.

Five points for you, ExJerseyGirl
Two for the comment and three for being an "Ex" Jersey Girl.

/me no likey Jersey Girls
//except that one 19 year old one ...

Khaal: //except that one 19 year old one ...

...with the red hair...

...and the Adam's apple...

Just where in the article does it describe her as an illegal immigrant? I've reread it several times and I must be having a brain fart because I don't see the words 'illegal immigrant' anywhere in the article text.

Hongcouver: Just where in the article does it describe her as an illegal immigrant?

It doesn't.

I do, however, like how this Local 6 article cites as its source...a Local 6 news report. I wonder if the news report cites the article.

So is it more important that she was an illegal or that some hick decided to ignore all the warning about firing off weapons for the hell of it? He/she shot someone in the face whether it was intentional or not they are still responsible.

Sloth_DC is 100% correct.

I am so sick and tired of hearing about how 9mm handgun rounds and the like, or ANY bullet for that matter, will inevitably kill someone if fired straight up.

Yes, it's going to hurt like hell. Yes, you might even crack a skull or loose an eye (if you are looking straight up). All of these deaths/major injuries we have heard of in the past few years are being caused by bullets fired in parabolas. You can test this by throwing a football (with spin) at various angles in your backyard. You'll notice that if you get it high enough and at a sharp angle that the ball WILL TUMBLE. Same thing with bullets.

Shooting "into the air" is a very broad term, which can theoretically encompass about 180 degrees of horizon, realistically more like 120 degrees or so.

This is not someone standing in their backyard, handgun/rifle pointed dead straight up at 0 degees. This is Cletus and Jim-Bob, drunk/stoned off their arses, in their backyard aiming at the top of the cypress tree 'oer 'dar.

/Mythbusters cannot do this episode soon enough

does anyone remember the same thing happening to a baby on fourth of july?

did that baby live?

Ahh yes, central Florida, bastion of Americana. I'm so glad I got the f*ck out of there.

Couple things:

Florida is one of those states where they would throw you out on the street before full treatment and I think the bylaws actually support things like that, which is in direct conflict with the hippocratic oath that doctors take. This is unfortunate but one of the many issues with Florida in general. It's great if you're a business owner and have a penchant for f*cking people over though, I should know ;).

Guns don't kill people, people kill people (I'm a lefty and a gun nut, living in NY).

People who shoot guns into the sky for celebration are retarded.

The majority of malpractice law suits are brought by suburbanites living in gated community land, not by undocumented people.

Capitalism isn't practiced in a vacuum.


/that is all.

No no, all hospital workers should work for FREE.

They don't need the money to heat their homes or feed their children.

autothing: Again, this just proves all guns should be banned. There is no true reason in the modern world -- particularly the U.S. -- for citizens to have them.

What do you do when your government

Defense = against what?... other people with guns! I wouldn't be car jacked by a guy with a baseball bat

Yes, defense against other people with guns. Do you really think that oulawing guns will stop criminals, who don't really give a shiat whether something is illegal or not, from owning guns?

Also, there's that whole defense against an oppressive government thing, but I'm sure you think that could never happen.
An extreme example: What would you do if George Bush suddenly declared himself emperor, staged a military takeover of the country, and turned it into a ultra-right, Christian theocracy? Throw rocks?

Kthulhu:

What a coherent statement - well thought out with a positive, uplifting message.

Seriously, what are you doing on teh internets? This is no place for that kind of thing.

I love guns, but I'm not going to sit there and try to explain it as having something to do with self-defense. I love guns because they're wicked cool to shoot at stuff.

I live in a friggen suburban enclave in one of the richest areas in the country. Most of the gun owners I know do as well, whether it be here or down south, so the defense argument kind of falls a bit flat.

I'm not going to cloak myself in a constitutional army about millitias and tyranical US government action because I have faith that my fellow Americans wouldn't allow that to happen (which they wouldn't). Honestly, the chances of the civilian government in this country wresting power from the people is effectively zero. If there's one thing that's true it's Americans don't like to be f*cked with like that, especially when you try to curtail freedom in a stormtrooper, evil empire kind of way. That'd last all of 5 days before every member of each branch of government was dead and buried by the sheer will of the people.

Oooo look out, white paranoia!

I just like owning them because, like I said, shooting guns is mad cool.

Oh well, whatever floats your boat.

/yep.

Kthulhu: People are irresponsible and stupid with guns, alcohol, cars, and raw chicken; you name it, someone, somewhere, is being a screwup with it. But this is the "price" (and for most of us, it's a microscopically small one) we pay for a free society. All we can do is use common sense, remind others to do the same, and expect the best - and it usually happens.

We can't regulate stupid behavior out of existence, but we can work around it. And we, as a nation and as a globe, must do so - because freedom is a downhill thing. It is easy to get rid of, but so often uphill to grab again. Especially since the people who lead us are just as stupid, if not more so, as the people they lead.

Wow! A rational person on Fark? No farking way!

EmbodiedHate: Honestly, the chances of the civilian government in this country wresting power from the people is effectively zero. If there's one thing that's true it's Americans don't like to be f*cked with like that, especially when you try to curtail freedom in a stormtrooper, evil empire kind of way. That'd last all of 5 days before every member of each branch of government was dead and buried by the sheer will of the people.

Really? I missed the uprising after Waco.

ms. bigglesworth:

I really don't know. I guess I don't know much about this woman but if she were an illegal alien then I DO NOT have sympathy for her story. Does this make me heartless?


Yes.

Because Waco involved a bunch of retarded cultist nuts that needed a good smacking. I honestly laughed when that incident happened. I think I was in the 11th grade or something and all I could think of was "Well, at least Jim Jones actually made them drink the cool aid, these guys don't even have the moxy to off themselves."

That's one of the worst examples of governmental tyranny you could possibly choose. Try looking up some incidents between the FBI and native americans on indian reservations for some real evil empire shiat. Or what the government did to various civil rights groups in the 60's and 70's.

And also, didya know that Koresh's right hand man put one in his skull? I could only imagine what that conversation went like. It was probably like that scene in Hunt for Red October where the XO of the russian alpha looks at the captain and says "You fargen ass, you've killed us!" BLAMO!. Har har har.

Bad example.

/yep.

Wah.. Eyeball destroyed.. wah..
Wah.. no medical coverage.. wah..
wah.. kicked out to the curb wah...
Wah.. News folks cry a river wah..
Wah.. The news is read by someone with the money and/or means to help her, also plans to throw-in a glass eye, and a boob job Wah..

Sucessful desemination of information to the people that are able to do something about it, and CARE to do something about it is achieved. Problem Solved.. either by a philanthropist, or by the hospital being embarrassed, or by the hospital making a stand that they aren't getting enough state funding to do this kind of thing.

It's how the system works, and how it IS worked.

It's also how sensationalism is used to good effect. The journalist chose to say that she was "Forced" to leave.

I'm sure the hospital's bouncers went in her room, tipped the bed over and said "GTFO!" Then they poked her in the eye-socket with a stick, removed all of the hospitals bandages and stood her up. They then said.. "hey.. does your eye still hurt you? Here.. maybe this'll stop you from worrying about it." Then they stomped on her foot with cleats on before throwing her out the window!!

Rather than "Forced" I think a more appropriate phrase would have been, there was nothing left to do for her, aside from elective surgery options, so it was decided that she would be fine at home, rather than unneccessarily running up a hospital bill that wasn't going to be paid by anyone except the state.

Look at the facts, the doctors determined the size of the bullet, determined it wouldn't cause further problems, and even figured out that it fell from the sky. They also removed the destroyed eye. What else were they supposed to do?

Dance a jig in there?! Pull flesh from her ass and construct her a new eye? Put a dog eye in there? (wouldn't Marilyn Manson be jealous!?)

God, or an incredible series of accidents gave you a brain. Use it or lose it.

---
Someone earlier in the thread asked:

so.....I'm just wondering what Darwin has to say about this.

"Only the lower end of the gene pool actually looks up at the sky during a New Years celebration"

...or something

Darwin would suggest that anyone that exhibits this kind of behavior is potentially less likely to mate with anyone except another idiot. THEIR offspring would have the combined genetic brainpower of two morans. If this offspring doesn't survive due to it's sheer stupidity, then this non-survivable trait would disappear from the species.

The stupid survive because we let them live. We are quite capable of Darwinning them out.

Darwinism doesn't ensure that good folks survive, or anything like that. It doesn't even ensure that the smarter, or more genetically developed ones survive.

It merely asserts that those who survive will pass on their genes to their offspring. Those that don't survive will not pass on their genes, thereby eventually eliminating non-survival genetic traits from the genepool over several generations.

In Darwinism, nice guys finish last, sheerly by definition, and Drunk morans with guns have a higher survivability rate than the "smart people" who run up and tell them, "Give up your guns, you drunk hillbilly morans!"

In fact, drunk drivers are more likely to survive accidents and suchlike, and future generations are therefore statistically more likely to drink and drive, assuming that drunk dumbasses that drive are reacting to a genetic trait.

Don't get Darwinism confused with God.. God's the one supposedly looking out for the good folks.

doodler:

No no, all hospital workers should work for FREE.

They don't need the money to heat their homes or feed their children.


If there was universal health care, they would have more money to feed their children and heat their homes. Currently Americans are paying the highest cost of healthcare in the industrialized world. And the level of healthcare given, unless you are very wealthy, is mediocre, at best.

Here's a thought. There might be somethings wrong with it, but it might be worth exploring.

What if the medical bills for gun related injuries we paid for by a tax on all registered gun owners? It would make people think twice about owning a gun, and hopefully make those who DO own them be more responsible.

"What if the medical bills for gun related injuries we paid for by a tax on all registered gun owners? It would make people think twice about owning a gun, and hopefully make those who DO own them be more responsible."

That's dumb because many criminals don't own registered guns.

I'm not trying to sound cruel, but she CHOSE to come into this country illegally and as such, she accepted inherent risks that come with that. One of those risks is being denied medical care/aide that is only granted to legal US citizens.

So who is footing the bill for the small amount of medical care she did receive? Oh that's right, legal, tax-paying US citizens.

/That's why my health ins. premium is so farking high
//DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS, NO EXCEPTIONS.

tnwake:

One of those risks is being denied medical care/aide that is only granted to legal US citizens.



Actually, medical care is given in the US to anyone who is insured. This has nothing to do with citizenship, or even legal status in the US.

And it did not say that she was illegal.

tnwake: Oh that's right, legal, tax-paying US citizens.

So who is footing the bill for the small amount of medical care she did receive? Oh that's right, legal, tax-paying US citizens.

That would be people who pay taxes in the US. Again, has nothing to do with citizenship, or in this case, even being in the US.

Police hope the person who fired the shot will turn themselves in to authorities.

With the amount of guns fired at midnight on the eve in question is it remotely possible for the shooter to even know that he/she was responsible for this woman's lost eye? Though the police might find it easier to pin-point the gun used with the actual bullet, it would definitely make for one of the funnier "DumbAss" headlines if the shooter should claim responsibility for this crime.

tnwake: That's why my health ins. premium is so farking high



Your health insurance premiums are high because your healthcare provider is a for profit organization. 40% of your premium goes to administrative overhead, and to profit. This situation is unparalleled in any other industrialized nation. Most countries have for profit health care, but most of their residents use, most of the time, the nonprofit health care which is paid through a one-payer system. This eliminates both the profit motive and the huge administrative costs. It also makes for better health care, because the provider is not concerned about the bottom line, but about patient welfare.

15% of the US GNP goes into health care. The next highest is Holland, with 8%.

nattydread: Though the police might find it easier to pin-point the gun used with the actual bullet, it would definitely make for one of the funnier "DumbAss" headlines if the shooter should claim responsibility for this crime.

He's a dumbass for firing into the air for sure, but why would he be a dumbass for fessing up and taking his punishment like a man?

If the shooter does know he injured this woman who was holding a 7-month-old infant, I hope he feels like shiat enough to turn himself in.

Autothing

"Freedom means not having to worry someone else might kill you. Inherently, guns make killing people much easier, see my logic in why they should be banned?"


If you don't like guns...don't own one.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Granted some idiots own guns.
Many of them also drive cars. More people are killed by them every year than guns.

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns.

Ant
He's a dumbass for firing into the air for sure, but why would he be a dumbass for fessing up and taking his punishment like a man?

Indeed it was stupid thing to do. Furthermore, I'm sure his or her intentions weren't to harm anyone in the process of letting one off but really now would you fess up to a crime as such and face a certainly stiff penalty if you knew the chances of the authorities fingering you were near to impossible?


//yea right; I believe you!

This is why liberals should give away boxes of blank ammunition to gun owners on New Years, just like they had out clean needles to junkies and condoms to gradeschoolers.

Make the noise, not the injuries.

People, who cares about your stupid cable TV shows. The proof is in the pudding. This woman has a bullet in her face, ergo, the bullet was going fast enough to enlodge in her face.

Don't shoot your guns in the air, tards.

Oops... My grammar thing is to forget to use question marks when called for.

Try this:

People, who cares about your stupid cable TV shows? The proof is in the pudding. This woman has a bullet in her face, ergo, the bullet was going fast enough to enlodge in her face.

Don't shoot your guns in the air, tards.

autothing
Again, this just proves all guns should be banned. There is no true reason in the modern world -- particularly the U.S. -- for citizens to have them.

Guns are all but banned in NYC, but they're everywhere in Vermont. Wow, so that's why New York's crime rate is so low, while Vermont's so high? Man. We gun owners sure are stupid not to see what is so obvious to those who drink the kool aid from the Brady Center's Website.

They do nothing but kill and for anyone to argue otherwise is insane... I mean, they're a tool of death.

OH NO! A TOOL OF DEATH! Man, now everything is crystal clear. What is important is that the meth-head in my daughter's bedroom is DEAD, not that my daughter is alive, healthy, and has not been violated. Again, you are right on the money.

It's the one thing about the Constitution that truly is wrong now that the world is more modern than back in the 1800s.

You are just a font of pearls today, you know that? Let's look back and see what other minority groups have rights we don't like... I mean the Nazis don't need the 1st, and Falwell really annoys me so he loses that one, too. And let's say that environmentalists have really abused the 4th cant have them hiding explosives. And some of those soldiers need to go back to New Orleans to help. I think YOU should put them up for a few weeks, autothing.

WOW! Deciding which rights are really rights for everyone else IS fun.

Sigh. I would hate to have my eye shot out only to be kicked out of the hospital.

Which is ironic because gun owners everywhere are wishing it upon you, right now.

Xai

glad i don't live in america.

\UK resident


BREAKING NEWS! U.S./Britain summit completed. Both sides are glad Xai is staying where head will fit deepest into sand!

\\Much stricter gun control = less gun deaths/injuries

Man, with brains like that, its amazing that you dont run the farking world! No guns = less gun crimes? GENIUS! Who cares if beating, raping, homicide by fist, club, and knife go through the roof. The IMPORTANT thing is that the criminal is alive, even if the victim is stabbed. Perhaps her soul couldnt get to heaven if she were shot.

Xai, is there gun crime in Britain?

\\\Free healthcare provided by the state

Uh huh. You want to talk about that health care or is quantity better than quality? Or is it just a coincidence that rich Canadians and British come to the US for surgery?

cyhunter

Farking hillbillies. Honestly, when will people learn what an way to ring in the New Year that is?

I come from a family of hillbillies, and I can tell you that shooting a gun into the air isnt a hillbilly thing. At least not Kentucky/Tennessee hillbillies. Nice of you to blame us, though.

Asshat.

/Is really cranky today.

Well, this thread is probably dead, but I read through to the end, out of curiosity.

Apart from the obvious insurance and firearms flame wars, it was a disappointment. After 3-days of free medical care, she was discharged. Perhaps the attending physicians had discharged their duties at the emergency and palliative levels and felt they could not continue to use up valuable bed space on what may have been entering the realm of elective care.

As for the idiot that fired the weapon, my guess is that it is equally likely that the knuckle-dragger responsible was from out of the country [legally or otherwise]. Or any number of possibilities that may include a redneck. However, I don't personally know of hunters that use 45 caliber rifles for deer in Florida [my understanding is they are used in other states with larger game and more, deflecting brush]. This was probably a handgun. Probably an ignorant gang-banger with his pants hanging around his ass, of any race.

Where the public weal ends, private citizens pick up, in this country. I think it sucks that she was discharged, but for the moment she needs meds and rest. I'll bet a fund gets set up to help out and will see what I can learn.

Mercenary Fox: Uh huh. You want to talk about that health care or is quantity better than quality?


Atually, the care levelin teh UK and the US is roughly the same. It's just cheaper in the UK.


Or is it just a coincidence that rich Canadians and British come to the US for surgery?

So do rich Americans. The ones which are middle class and below either don't have it, or go to India / China.

Megasteve: What's wrong with these asshats who shoot live rounds into the air? Where do they think the bullets go?

there's that word again... "think". sometimes too difficult for the average human who shoots a gun in the air as a way to celebrate something. you give people too much credit for being smart.

Mercenary Fox: Uh huh. You want to talk about that health care or is quantity better than quality? Or is it just a coincidence that rich Canadians and British come to the US for surgery?


How 'bout those millions of Americans who can't get surgery anywhere because they aren't rich enough? Nobody is denying the US has excellent care for those who can afford it.

Seems like a good backup for us in Canada as well - the rich can head south and get slightly better care, that takes strain off the system here where it is enitrely adequate.

/works for me

I hope some of you people learn to read and realise "not a citizen of "X" country" doesn't mean you're an "illegal immigrant"

If that was the case, us "rest-of-the-world" people could go around farking up american tourists/workers/soldiers/diplomats all over the place. because you "chose" to go there.

Not a bad idea for people like tnwake who obviously didn't RTFA

Fark the physics, the woman's eye was shot out.

A live bullet? WTF? Okay, a bullet is usually designated as "live" when it still has a charge or if it is unknown if it has a charge, I.E. Hasn't been fired yet. Explosive rounds are a different matter as they might have been fired but not exploded.... But ummmm.. This appears to be niether. It's not live, her head will not asplode from it.

It's really quite sad. I was going to submit this article with a funnier headline, but then I read the article and realized that it was just sad and I couldn't get a funny headline out of it so I didn't bother submitting.

I'm surprised more FARKers aren't upset if only because the victim was teh h0tn3ss. :P

As a Brit I can't understand your obsession with freedom and it's link to bear arms, yet when another country tries to you invade. As Mr Moore said, if you have the right to bear arms, then why stop at guns, why not rocket launchers etc ? There is no NEED to have guns. And kicking someone out of the hospital when they haven't had the best treatment possible ?!!?? Your country is barbaric. Bring on the United States of Europe.

Because you can't defend yourself with a high explosive weapon, moran.

megram

As a Brit I can't understand your obsession with freedom and it's link to bear arms, yet when another country tries to you invade.

Weeeeellll, our obsession has something to do with a crown wearing ponce who thought we were all barbarians and hence: he owned us. We tossed him and everyone like him out and kept our arms as a mean to deter them from ever coming back. Sound familiar, or is that period in your history too violent to be taught in UK schools anymore?


As Mr Moore said, if you have the right to bear arms, then why stop at guns, why not rocket launchers etc?

Moore is a liar, a braggart, and a thug.

http://www.americandaily.com/article/3748
http://www.preventtruthdecay.com/mainmiscmoore.htm
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/127ujhuf.asp
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

1: My college professor once told me that explosives (cannon shells, landmines, grenades, etc.) were never listed as ARMS in colonial era. They were classified as ORDINANCE. The framers knew this, and were pretty explicit in what they meant when writing the BOR. Im not surprised they used ARMS instead of something more generic: like WEAPONS.

AND A BIG 2: OK, if we agree to give up rocket launchers, will you leave us alone, or simply point to the next item on your confiscation list and dance in victims blood? If history is any indicator every and anything we concede to anti self defense lobbyists is just one more brick in their road. We can not compromise, and from there we get our obsession with bearing arms.

There is no NEED to have guns.

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=261217

Are you SUUUURE? Sounds pretty smug. Have you ever seen the bright blade of a knife? The barrel of a gun? Ever been beaten because of the color of your skin or religion?

If so, your opinion shows a significant lack of brain activity. If not, you have no right to tell those of us who have been victims to stand by and be victims again.

And on that vein... Gun bans work? Since when does that happen?

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200601%5C NAT20060103a.html

How many gun crimes happen in England every day? Each one proves your opinion is worthless because each one shows your utopian state can not happen... ever.

Followup: Patient heals, feels no pain, steals submarine, attempts to kill James Bond.

/too obscure?