wh0mprat

Fark it couldn't have said it better. I guess the way I wrote it was missy misunderstood. Give her the treatment than send her on her way. Nothing more and nothing less. I have no tolerance for people who don't abide by the law. Again, I do not know if she is illegal but if she were...blah..blah..blah...you get my point.

ExJerseyGirl: Khaal -- she isn't immediately shipped home because she can't make it through security with a bullet.

It's not like she has a box-cutter lodged in her head.

Five points for you, ExJerseyGirl
Two for the comment and three for being an "Ex" Jersey Girl.

/me no likey Jersey Girls
//except that one 19 year old one ...

Khaal: //except that one 19 year old one ...

...with the red hair...

...and the Adam's apple...

Just where in the article does it describe her as an illegal immigrant? I've reread it several times and I must be having a brain fart because I don't see the words 'illegal immigrant' anywhere in the article text.

Hongcouver: Just where in the article does it describe her as an illegal immigrant?

It doesn't.

I do, however, like how this Local 6 article cites as its source...a Local 6 news report. I wonder if the news report cites the article.

So is it more important that she was an illegal or that some hick decided to ignore all the warning about firing off weapons for the hell of it? He/she shot someone in the face whether it was intentional or not they are still responsible.

Sloth_DC is 100% correct.

I am so sick and tired of hearing about how 9mm handgun rounds and the like, or ANY bullet for that matter, will inevitably kill someone if fired straight up.

Yes, it's going to hurt like hell. Yes, you might even crack a skull or loose an eye (if you are looking straight up). All of these deaths/major injuries we have heard of in the past few years are being caused by bullets fired in parabolas. You can test this by throwing a football (with spin) at various angles in your backyard. You'll notice that if you get it high enough and at a sharp angle that the ball WILL TUMBLE. Same thing with bullets.

Shooting "into the air" is a very broad term, which can theoretically encompass about 180 degrees of horizon, realistically more like 120 degrees or so.

This is not someone standing in their backyard, handgun/rifle pointed dead straight up at 0 degees. This is Cletus and Jim-Bob, drunk/stoned off their arses, in their backyard aiming at the top of the cypress tree 'oer 'dar.

/Mythbusters cannot do this episode soon enough

does anyone remember the same thing happening to a baby on fourth of july?

did that baby live?

Ahh yes, central Florida, bastion of Americana. I'm so glad I got the f*ck out of there.

Couple things:

Florida is one of those states where they would throw you out on the street before full treatment and I think the bylaws actually support things like that, which is in direct conflict with the hippocratic oath that doctors take. This is unfortunate but one of the many issues with Florida in general. It's great if you're a business owner and have a penchant for f*cking people over though, I should know ;).

Guns don't kill people, people kill people (I'm a lefty and a gun nut, living in NY).

People who shoot guns into the sky for celebration are retarded.

The majority of malpractice law suits are brought by suburbanites living in gated community land, not by undocumented people.

Capitalism isn't practiced in a vacuum.


/that is all.

No no, all hospital workers should work for FREE.

They don't need the money to heat their homes or feed their children.

autothing: Again, this just proves all guns should be banned. There is no true reason in the modern world -- particularly the U.S. -- for citizens to have them.

What do you do when your government

Defense = against what?... other people with guns! I wouldn't be car jacked by a guy with a baseball bat

Yes, defense against other people with guns. Do you really think that oulawing guns will stop criminals, who don't really give a shiat whether something is illegal or not, from owning guns?

Also, there's that whole defense against an oppressive government thing, but I'm sure you think that could never happen.
An extreme example: What would you do if George Bush suddenly declared himself emperor, staged a military takeover of the country, and turned it into a ultra-right, Christian theocracy? Throw rocks?

Kthulhu:

What a coherent statement - well thought out with a positive, uplifting message.

Seriously, what are you doing on teh internets? This is no place for that kind of thing.

I love guns, but I'm not going to sit there and try to explain it as having something to do with self-defense. I love guns because they're wicked cool to shoot at stuff.

I live in a friggen suburban enclave in one of the richest areas in the country. Most of the gun owners I know do as well, whether it be here or down south, so the defense argument kind of falls a bit flat.

I'm not going to cloak myself in a constitutional army about millitias and tyranical US government action because I have faith that my fellow Americans wouldn't allow that to happen (which they wouldn't). Honestly, the chances of the civilian government in this country wresting power from the people is effectively zero. If there's one thing that's true it's Americans don't like to be f*cked with like that, especially when you try to curtail freedom in a stormtrooper, evil empire kind of way. That'd last all of 5 days before every member of each branch of government was dead and buried by the sheer will of the people.

Oooo look out, white paranoia!

I just like owning them because, like I said, shooting guns is mad cool.

Oh well, whatever floats your boat.

/yep.

Kthulhu: People are irresponsible and stupid with guns, alcohol, cars, and raw chicken; you name it, someone, somewhere, is being a screwup with it. But this is the "price" (and for most of us, it's a microscopically small one) we pay for a free society. All we can do is use common sense, remind others to do the same, and expect the best - and it usually happens.

We can't regulate stupid behavior out of existence, but we can work around it. And we, as a nation and as a globe, must do so - because freedom is a downhill thing. It is easy to get rid of, but so often uphill to grab again. Especially since the people who lead us are just as stupid, if not more so, as the people they lead.

Wow! A rational person on Fark? No farking way!

EmbodiedHate: Honestly, the chances of the civilian government in this country wresting power from the people is effectively zero. If there's one thing that's true it's Americans don't like to be f*cked with like that, especially when you try to curtail freedom in a stormtrooper, evil empire kind of way. That'd last all of 5 days before every member of each branch of government was dead and buried by the sheer will of the people.

Really? I missed the uprising after Waco.

ms. bigglesworth:

I really don't know. I guess I don't know much about this woman but if she were an illegal alien then I DO NOT have sympathy for her story. Does this make me heartless?


Yes.

Because Waco involved a bunch of retarded cultist nuts that needed a good smacking. I honestly laughed when that incident happened. I think I was in the 11th grade or something and all I could think of was "Well, at least Jim Jones actually made them drink the cool aid, these guys don't even have the moxy to off themselves."

That's one of the worst examples of governmental tyranny you could possibly choose. Try looking up some incidents between the FBI and native americans on indian reservations for some real evil empire shiat. Or what the government did to various civil rights groups in the 60's and 70's.

And also, didya know that Koresh's right hand man put one in his skull? I could only imagine what that conversation went like. It was probably like that scene in Hunt for Red October where the XO of the russian alpha looks at the captain and says "You fargen ass, you've killed us!" BLAMO!. Har har har.

Bad example.

/yep.

Wah.. Eyeball destroyed.. wah..
Wah.. no medical coverage.. wah..
wah.. kicked out to the curb wah...
Wah.. News folks cry a river wah..
Wah.. The news is read by someone with the money and/or means to help her, also plans to throw-in a glass eye, and a boob job Wah..

Sucessful desemination of information to the people that are able to do something about it, and CARE to do something about it is achieved. Problem Solved.. either by a philanthropist, or by the hospital being embarrassed, or by the hospital making a stand that they aren't getting enough state funding to do this kind of thing.

It's how the system works, and how it IS worked.

It's also how sensationalism is used to good effect. The journalist chose to say that she was "Forced" to leave.

I'm sure the hospital's bouncers went in her room, tipped the bed over and said "GTFO!" Then they poked her in the eye-socket with a stick, removed all of the hospitals bandages and stood her up. They then said.. "hey.. does your eye still hurt you? Here.. maybe this'll stop you from worrying about it." Then they stomped on her foot with cleats on before throwing her out the window!!

Rather than "Forced" I think a more appropriate phrase would have been, there was nothing left to do for her, aside from elective surgery options, so it was decided that she would be fine at home, rather than unneccessarily running up a hospital bill that wasn't going to be paid by anyone except the state.

Look at the facts, the doctors determined the size of the bullet, determined it wouldn't cause further problems, and even figured out that it fell from the sky. They also removed the destroyed eye. What else were they supposed to do?

Dance a jig in there?! Pull flesh from her ass and construct her a new eye? Put a dog eye in there? (wouldn't Marilyn Manson be jealous!?)

God, or an incredible series of accidents gave you a brain. Use it or lose it.

---
Someone earlier in the thread asked:

so.....I'm just wondering what Darwin has to say about this.

"Only the lower end of the gene pool actually looks up at the sky during a New Years celebration"

...or something

Darwin would suggest that anyone that exhibits this kind of behavior is potentially less likely to mate with anyone except another idiot. THEIR offspring would have the combined genetic brainpower of two morans. If this offspring doesn't survive due to it's sheer stupidity, then this non-survivable trait would disappear from the species.

The stupid survive because we let them live. We are quite capable of Darwinning them out.

Darwinism doesn't ensure that good folks survive, or anything like that. It doesn't even ensure that the smarter, or more genetically developed ones survive.

It merely asserts that those who survive will pass on their genes to their offspring. Those that don't survive will not pass on their genes, thereby eventually eliminating non-survival genetic traits from the genepool over several generations.

In Darwinism, nice guys finish last, sheerly by definition, and Drunk morans with guns have a higher survivability rate than the "smart people" who run up and tell them, "Give up your guns, you drunk hillbilly morans!"

In fact, drunk drivers are more likely to survive accidents and suchlike, and future generations are therefore statistically more likely to drink and drive, assuming that drunk dumbasses that drive are reacting to a genetic trait.

Don't get Darwinism confused with God.. God's the one supposedly looking out for the good folks.

doodler:

No no, all hospital workers should work for FREE.

They don't need the money to heat their homes or feed their children.


If there was universal health care, they would have more money to feed their children and heat their homes. Currently Americans are paying the highest cost of healthcare in the industrialized world. And the level of healthcare given, unless you are very wealthy, is mediocre, at best.

Here's a thought. There might be somethings wrong with it, but it might be worth exploring.

What if the medical bills for gun related injuries we paid for by a tax on all registered gun owners? It would make people think twice about owning a gun, and hopefully make those who DO own them be more responsible.

"What if the medical bills for gun related injuries we paid for by a tax on all registered gun owners? It would make people think twice about owning a gun, and hopefully make those who DO own them be more responsible."

That's dumb because many criminals don't own registered guns.

I'm not trying to sound cruel, but she CHOSE to come into this country illegally and as such, she accepted inherent risks that come with that. One of those risks is being denied medical care/aide that is only granted to legal US citizens.

So who is footing the bill for the small amount of medical care she did receive? Oh that's right, legal, tax-paying US citizens.

/That's why my health ins. premium is so farking high
//DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS, NO EXCEPTIONS.

tnwake:

One of those risks is being denied medical care/aide that is only granted to legal US citizens.



Actually, medical care is given in the US to anyone who is insured. This has nothing to do with citizenship, or even legal status in the US.

And it did not say that she was illegal.

tnwake: Oh that's right, legal, tax-paying US citizens.

So who is footing the bill for the small amount of medical care she did receive? Oh that's right, legal, tax-paying US citizens.

That would be people who pay taxes in the US. Again, has nothing to do with citizenship, or in this case, even being in the US.

Police hope the person who fired the shot will turn themselves in to authorities.

With the amount of guns fired at midnight on the eve in question is it remotely possible for the shooter to even know that he/she was responsible for this woman's lost eye? Though the police might find it easier to pin-point the gun used with the actual bullet, it would definitely make for one of the funnier "DumbAss" headlines if the shooter should claim responsibility for this crime.

tnwake: That's why my health ins. premium is so farking high



Your health insurance premiums are high because your healthcare provider is a for profit organization. 40% of your premium goes to administrative overhead, and to profit. This situation is unparalleled in any other industrialized nation. Most countries have for profit health care, but most of their residents use, most of the time, the nonprofit health care which is paid through a one-payer system. This eliminates both the profit motive and the huge administrative costs. It also makes for better health care, because the provider is not concerned about the bottom line, but about patient welfare.

15% of the US GNP goes into health care. The next highest is Holland, with 8%.

nattydread: Though the police might find it easier to pin-point the gun used with the actual bullet, it would definitely make for one of the funnier "DumbAss" headlines if the shooter should claim responsibility for this crime.

He's a dumbass for firing into the air for sure, but why would he be a dumbass for fessing up and taking his punishment like a man?

If the shooter does know he injured this woman who was holding a 7-month-old infant, I hope he feels like shiat enough to turn himself in.

Autothing

"Freedom means not having to worry someone else might kill you. Inherently, guns make killing people much easier, see my logic in why they should be banned?"


If you don't like guns...don't own one.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Granted some idiots own guns.
Many of them also drive cars. More people are killed by them every year than guns.

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns.

Ant
He's a dumbass for firing into the air for sure, but why would he be a dumbass for fessing up and taking his punishment like a man?

Indeed it was stupid thing to do. Furthermore, I'm sure his or her intentions weren't to harm anyone in the process of letting one off but really now would you fess up to a crime as such and face a certainly stiff penalty if you knew the chances of the authorities fingering you were near to impossible?


//yea right; I believe you!

This is why liberals should give away boxes of blank ammunition to gun owners on New Years, just like they had out clean needles to junkies and condoms to gradeschoolers.

Make the noise, not the injuries.

People, who cares about your stupid cable TV shows. The proof is in the pudding. This woman has a bullet in her face, ergo, the bullet was going fast enough to enlodge in her face.

Don't shoot your guns in the air, tards.

Oops... My grammar thing is to forget to use question marks when called for.

Try this:

People, who cares about your stupid cable TV shows? The proof is in the pudding. This woman has a bullet in her face, ergo, the bullet was going fast enough to enlodge in her face.

Don't shoot your guns in the air, tards.

autothing
Again, this just proves all guns should be banned. There is no true reason in the modern world -- particularly the U.S. -- for citizens to have them.

Guns are all but banned in NYC, but they're everywhere in Vermont. Wow, so that's why New York's crime rate is so low, while Vermont's so high? Man. We gun owners sure are stupid not to see what is so obvious to those who drink the kool aid from the Brady Center's Website.

They do nothing but kill and for anyone to argue otherwise is insane... I mean, they're a tool of death.

OH NO! A TOOL OF DEATH! Man, now everything is crystal clear. What is important is that the meth-head in my daughter's bedroom is DEAD, not that my daughter is alive, healthy, and has not been violated. Again, you are right on the money.

It's the one thing about the Constitution that truly is wrong now that the world is more modern than back in the 1800s.

You are just a font of pearls today, you know that? Let's look back and see what other minority groups have rights we don't like... I mean the Nazis don't need the 1st, and Falwell really annoys me so he loses that one, too. And let's say that environmentalists have really abused the 4th cant have them hiding explosives. And some of those soldiers need to go back to New Orleans to help. I think YOU should put them up for a few weeks, autothing.

WOW! Deciding which rights are really rights for everyone else IS fun.

Sigh. I would hate to have my eye shot out only to be kicked out of the hospital.

Which is ironic because gun owners everywhere are wishing it upon you, right now.

Xai

glad i don't live in america.

\UK resident


BREAKING NEWS! U.S./Britain summit completed. Both sides are glad Xai is staying where head will fit deepest into sand!

\\Much stricter gun control = less gun deaths/injuries

Man, with brains like that, its amazing that you dont run the farking world! No guns = less gun crimes? GENIUS! Who cares if beating, raping, homicide by fist, club, and knife go through the roof. The IMPORTANT thing is that the criminal is alive, even if the victim is stabbed. Perhaps her soul couldnt get to heaven if she were shot.

Xai, is there gun crime in Britain?

\\\Free healthcare provided by the state

Uh huh. You want to talk about that health care or is quantity better than quality? Or is it just a coincidence that rich Canadians and British come to the US for surgery?

cyhunter

Farking hillbillies. Honestly, when will people learn what an way to ring in the New Year that is?

I come from a family of hillbillies, and I can tell you that shooting a gun into the air isnt a hillbilly thing. At least not Kentucky/Tennessee hillbillies. Nice of you to blame us, though.

Asshat.

/Is really cranky today.

Well, this thread is probably dead, but I read through to the end, out of curiosity.

Apart from the obvious insurance and firearms flame wars, it was a disappointment. After 3-days of free medical care, she was discharged. Perhaps the attending physicians had discharged their duties at the emergency and palliative levels and felt they could not continue to use up valuable bed space on what may have been entering the realm of elective care.

As for the idiot that fired the weapon, my guess is that it is equally likely that the knuckle-dragger responsible was from out of the country [legally or otherwise]. Or any number of possibilities that may include a redneck. However, I don't personally know of hunters that use 45 caliber rifles for deer in Florida [my understanding is they are used in other states with larger game and more, deflecting brush]. This was probably a handgun. Probably an ignorant gang-banger with his pants hanging around his ass, of any race.

Where the public weal ends, private citizens pick up, in this country. I think it sucks that she was discharged, but for the moment she needs meds and rest. I'll bet a fund gets set up to help out and will see what I can learn.

Mercenary Fox: Uh huh. You want to talk about that health care or is quantity better than quality?


Atually, the care levelin teh UK and the US is roughly the same. It's just cheaper in the UK.


Or is it just a coincidence that rich Canadians and British come to the US for surgery?

So do rich Americans. The ones which are middle class and below either don't have it, or go to India / China.

Megasteve: What's wrong with these asshats who shoot live rounds into the air? Where do they think the bullets go?

there's that word again... "think". sometimes too difficult for the average human who shoots a gun in the air as a way to celebrate something. you give people too much credit for being smart.

Mercenary Fox: Uh huh. You want to talk about that health care or is quantity better than quality? Or is it just a coincidence that rich Canadians and British come to the US for surgery?


How 'bout those millions of Americans who can't get surgery anywhere because they aren't rich enough? Nobody is denying the US has excellent care for those who can afford it.

Seems like a good backup for us in Canada as well - the rich can head south and get slightly better care, that takes strain off the system here where it is enitrely adequate.

/works for me

I hope some of you people learn to read and realise "not a citizen of "X" country" doesn't mean you're an "illegal immigrant"

If that was the case, us "rest-of-the-world" people could go around farking up american tourists/workers/soldiers/diplomats all over the place. because you "chose" to go there.

Not a bad idea for people like tnwake who obviously didn't RTFA

Fark the physics, the woman's eye was shot out.

A live bullet? WTF? Okay, a bullet is usually designated as "live" when it still has a charge or if it is unknown if it has a charge, I.E. Hasn't been fired yet. Explosive rounds are a different matter as they might have been fired but not exploded.... But ummmm.. This appears to be niether. It's not live, her head will not asplode from it.

It's really quite sad. I was going to submit this article with a funnier headline, but then I read the article and realized that it was just sad and I couldn't get a funny headline out of it so I didn't bother submitting.

I'm surprised more FARKers aren't upset if only because the victim was teh h0tn3ss. :P

As a Brit I can't understand your obsession with freedom and it's link to bear arms, yet when another country tries to you invade. As Mr Moore said, if you have the right to bear arms, then why stop at guns, why not rocket launchers etc ? There is no NEED to have guns. And kicking someone out of the hospital when they haven't had the best treatment possible ?!!?? Your country is barbaric. Bring on the United States of Europe.

Because you can't defend yourself with a high explosive weapon, moran.

megram

As a Brit I can't understand your obsession with freedom and it's link to bear arms, yet when another country tries to you invade.

Weeeeellll, our obsession has something to do with a crown wearing ponce who thought we were all barbarians and hence: he owned us. We tossed him and everyone like him out and kept our arms as a mean to deter them from ever coming back. Sound familiar, or is that period in your history too violent to be taught in UK schools anymore?


As Mr Moore said, if you have the right to bear arms, then why stop at guns, why not rocket launchers etc?

Moore is a liar, a braggart, and a thug.

http://www.americandaily.com/article/3748
http://www.preventtruthdecay.com/mainmiscmoore.htm
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/127ujhuf.asp
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

1: My college professor once told me that explosives (cannon shells, landmines, grenades, etc.) were never listed as ARMS in colonial era. They were classified as ORDINANCE. The framers knew this, and were pretty explicit in what they meant when writing the BOR. Im not surprised they used ARMS instead of something more generic: like WEAPONS.

AND A BIG 2: OK, if we agree to give up rocket launchers, will you leave us alone, or simply point to the next item on your confiscation list and dance in victims blood? If history is any indicator every and anything we concede to anti self defense lobbyists is just one more brick in their road. We can not compromise, and from there we get our obsession with bearing arms.

There is no NEED to have guns.

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=261217

Are you SUUUURE? Sounds pretty smug. Have you ever seen the bright blade of a knife? The barrel of a gun? Ever been beaten because of the color of your skin or religion?

If so, your opinion shows a significant lack of brain activity. If not, you have no right to tell those of us who have been victims to stand by and be victims again.

And on that vein... Gun bans work? Since when does that happen?

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/viewstory.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200601%5C NAT20060103a.html

How many gun crimes happen in England every day? Each one proves your opinion is worthless because each one shows your utopian state can not happen... ever.

Followup: Patient heals, feels no pain, steals submarine, attempts to kill James Bond.

/too obscure?