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(The Newspaper)   "An average person exercising common sense should have known" that a 50-pound scooter is the same as a 3000-pound car when drunk driving laws are concerned   (thenewspaper.com) divider line 215
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2005-12-22 09:29:24 AM  
cue o rly owls....
 
2005-12-22 09:34:21 AM  
sigh... Thanks MADD
 
2005-12-22 09:43:00 AM  
The Appeals Court ruled that one may drive "horses, bicycles, or lawnmowers" as well as Segways and wheelchairs on public roads while drunk, but not scooters.

Really? I always heard that you could get a DUI for riding a bicycle while drunk. And, if you're driving a lawnmower on a public road while drunk... you deserve to get run over.
 
2005-12-22 09:49:08 AM  
I'll be taking a horse on my next trip to Ocracoke. Thanks, TF!
 
2005-12-22 09:55:32 AM  
An average person with common sense wouldn't be able to make heads nor tails of most DUI laws...
 
2005-12-22 10:10:34 AM  
In Peachtree City, GA where I used to live, they have over 100 miles of golf cart roads and thousands of golf carts. They have golf cart police too.

A DUI on a golf cart = a car DUI. You lose your real drivers license if you get caught.
 
2005-12-22 10:24:04 AM  
astrnomr;

the way I understood it, it was the definition of a vehicle.

it has to be self-propelled; someone got arrested in new york on one of those little skateboards with the engine.

you won't get a DUI on a riding lawnmower or bike, but rest assured that any cop that catches you doing such a think will get you for public intoxication at the very least.

I think the law goes like any vehicle that must be registered or insured, you can get arrested for operating it while drunk.
 
2005-12-22 10:27:14 AM  
Lawnmowers are considered vehicles in MN, and I've seen more than one news story where people got DWIs on 'em.

"Any vehicle that is self propelled or is powered by overhead electric cables."
 
2005-12-22 10:29:18 AM  
jchance: A DUI on a golf cart = a car DUI. You lose your real drivers license if you get caught.

Since you don't need a license for the golf cart you can keep driving that though, right?
 
2005-12-22 10:35:42 AM  
Having the ability to operate any vehicle while drunk is cause for a DUI in Alabama. You can just have keys in your pocket and be standing near your car drunk to get a DUI here. My brother-in-law got a DUI for sleeping in his car in his driveway when his wife kicked him out of the house. He didn't have the car going or anything, just had keys with him. The cops were driving by looking for a similliar car and stopped to look at his, and viola...he got a DUI. BTW, he did mouth off to them. If he would have been respectful, he probably would not have got in any trouble.
 
2005-12-22 10:39:01 AM  
Scott_Free There is no way that should have flown in court.
 
2005-12-22 10:57:44 AM  
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Scott_Free There is no way that should have flown in court.



That is also the law where I am in Canada. The keys do not have to be in the ignition, only in your possesion.
 
2005-12-22 11:37:13 AM  
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Scott_Free There is no way that should have flown in court.

Nope, in possession of the keys, and in the vehicle = dui

(A friend and I figured that if we swapped keys, and both slept it off in our own vehicles, we'd be ok)
 
2005-12-22 11:53:34 AM  
Here in PA, a DUI can occur in any vehicle. A vehicle is anything you ride on or in a public street, a car, motorcycle, bike, skateboard, lawn mower, horse and buggy.
But if you're riding a horse, what if the horse is drunk and the rider is sober?

You can even be busted for DUI if you're on a public street passed out drunk with the engine off, E-brake set. Why? because if you're in the driver's seat, you're incontrol, even if you wouldn't be able to control a tv remote in your alcohol induced coma. So if you decide to sleep off a stupor in PA, make sure you climb in the passenger's seat.

Yeah, in PA, we like laws that don't make sense.
 
2005-12-22 12:49:07 PM  
What a load of bullshiat.

Eat shiat and die, MADD Nazis and asshat constabularies!

/GODWIN!
 
2005-12-22 12:50:17 PM  
That guy got screwed
 
2005-12-22 12:50:28 PM  
Say drunk ass drives that 50lb scooter onto the highway and causes a 5 car wreck...

Should he get a DUI then? And why would that technically be different then him driving that thing down a small residential street...

It doesn't matter what he is driving, he still has the potential to cause a wreck and kill someone...

thread over.
 
2005-12-22 12:50:38 PM  
Yeah, I'm in PA too solitary we were drinking and having a good ole time on some 4 wheelers a few years back when the cops showed up; they mentioned that they could give us a DUI if they wanted to but they were cool about it and just advised that we keep it down since the neighbor like 8 acres over was complaining.

\Likes when cops are cool and not pushing their weight around
\\no, Im not saying cops are fat.
 
2005-12-22 12:50:51 PM  
 
2005-12-22 12:51:03 PM  
So you can ride a lawnmower on a public road while drunk, but not a scooter.

/huh
 
2005-12-22 12:51:55 PM  
that might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
 
2005-12-22 12:52:15 PM  
I know in MN it's legal to ride a bike intoxicated. A buddy was drinking Jameson one fine St. Patrick's day and decided to go on a lovely bike ride. He passed out in mid-cycle and veered headlong into a mailbox. The only charge that was levied against him was destruction of federal property, or some such nonsense, for bashing in the mailbox with his skull.
 
2005-12-22 12:53:03 PM  
The court is probably right because DUI laws are increasingly aimed at preventing drinking and not safety.
 
2005-12-22 12:53:06 PM  
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2005-12-22 12:53:46 PM  
 
2005-12-22 12:53:59 PM  
in good ol' Berea, OH: a good friend of mine was given a DUI for riding his bike home from the bar. he was on the sidewalk. the case held up in court, and his license was suspended, etc...

anything motorized is pretty much a guarantee for a DUI.
 
2005-12-22 12:54:19 PM  
An average person exercising common sense should have known that operating a motorized scooter while impaired would subject him to the penalties of the statute.

I don't even know why the court bothered with that bit. Whether the drunk knew (or an average person would have known) that a scooter is subject to the law is irrelevant. It is; you drove drunk; you're busted. Since when did ignorance of the law become an excuse?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-12-22 12:54:56 PM  
The stupid thing is, if the wheels are side by side you can drive it drunk but if the wheels are inline you can't. The Segway is defined not to be a motor vehicle.

Riding a bicycle, scooter, etc. while drunk ought to be a minor misdemeanor like spitting on the sidewalk.
 
2005-12-22 12:55:43 PM  
Say drunk ass drives that 50lb scooter onto the highway and causes a 5 car wreck...

Should he get a DUI then? And why would that technically be different then him driving that thing down a small residential street...

It doesn't matter what he is driving, he still has the potential to cause a wreck and kill someone...


It's that stretching of credulity to serve a point that really endears me to MADD...

/Thread over, indeed.
 
2005-12-22 12:55:57 PM  
My college roommate's friend got arrested for DUI on a moped. The idiot was not only drunk and on a moped, he was driving it down the sidewalk of the main street in a college town. The idiot deserved to be arrested.

Funniest part of it is that he worked at a car dealership where he would detail and move cars. Because of the DUI he got fired.

He may not have been able to do much damage if he ran into an SUV, but if he hit a person walking down the sidewalk he could have done some serious damage.
 
2005-12-22 12:55:58 PM  
Didn't we just see some guy get nailed for DUI on a horse a couple weeks ago?

/RUI?
//Not to be confused with a porn starlet getting nailed on a horse, which I also saw a couple weeks ago.
///Not Rly, but I'm sure it's happened.
////IUD?
 
2005-12-22 12:56:15 PM  
TheNewJesus: Say drunk ass drives that 50lb scooter onto the highway and causes a 5 car wreck...

Should he get a DUI then? And why would that technically be different then him driving that thing down a small residential street...

It doesn't matter what he is driving, he still has the potential to cause a wreck and kill someone...

thread over.


What's to prevent a drunk from walking onto a freeway and causing a 5-car pile up? At this point, what difference does the mode of transportation make? Some jerk still caused the wreck.
 
2005-12-22 12:56:16 PM  
The average person with common sense would refrain from operating any motorized vehicle when drunk.

Of course, there are 2 problems with this statement:

1. The average person doesn't have any common sense to begin with.
2. If they did have common sense to begin with, they have none when drunk.
 
2005-12-22 12:56:31 PM  
scooter.. car..
ya i see the similarities..
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-12-22 12:57:09 PM  
Since when did ignorance of the law become an excuse?

If the law is so vague that the average person can't understand it, that can be a defense. If the application of the law is so stupid that the average person wouldn't expect it, that is not a defense.
 
2005-12-22 12:58:29 PM  
...because a 50 pound scooter driven by a drunk would never swerve into traffic and cause 3000 pound cars to wreck. Ain't that right submitter?
 
2005-12-22 12:58:42 PM  
I always wonder about the golf cart DUI thing. My friends and I used to get ripped while on the course, and some of the cart paths cross actual roads.
 
2005-12-22 01:00:29 PM  
I argue that even a retarted person realizes that drunk driving a 50 lb scooter is not the same as drunk driving a 3000 lb car.
 
2005-12-22 01:00:47 PM  
BXRWXR: Eat shiat and die, MADD Nazis and asshat constabularies!


Couldn't have said it better myself.

TheNewJesus:

Say drunk ass drives that 50lb scooter onto the highway and causes a 5 car wreck...

Say some drunk ass WALKS onto the highway and causes a 5 car wreck...give him a DUI for driving his shoes?

Seriously, MADD and a lot of these laws are Draconian and nonsensical.
 
2005-12-22 01:00:50 PM  
The State of North Carolina owes me a new bullshiat detector.
 
2005-12-22 01:00:57 PM  
2005-12-22 12:56:15 PM NewbieChach

What's to prevent a drunk from walking onto a freeway and causing a 5-car pile up? At this point, what difference does the mode of transportation make? Some jerk still caused the wreck.


Speed.

Stumbling drunk = ~ 2 mph
Drunk on a scooter = ~25 mph
 
2005-12-22 01:01:58 PM  
somecat63: retarted person realizes that drunk driving a 50 lb scooter is not the same as drunk driving a 3000 lb car



Because the windows don't roll down??
 
2005-12-22 01:02:38 PM  
i fully agree with you Southern Dandy! we should be applying drunk driving laws to drunk walking too!
 
2005-12-22 01:03:08 PM  
mbrother: Say some drunk ass WALKS onto the highway and causes a 5 car wreck...give him a DUI for driving his shoes?



Erm - it's usually generically covered under "Public Intoxication" laws.
 
2005-12-22 01:06:08 PM  
This thread makes me want to drive drunk.

/I drive better.
 
2005-12-22 01:06:16 PM  
Wow, farking stupid. Just shows how distant some of these judges are from the "average person".

dee_dub
Oh, I don't know, maybe because it was A farkING SCOOTER. A farkING SKATEBOARD WITH A 2 BIG farkING WHEELS AND A 2 farkING HORSEPOWER MOTOR.
It.
Was.
Not.
A.
Motherfarking.
Car.
Then again, you can get DUI's for pretty much anything nowadays, so I suppose this case really shouldn't be shocking. Lawnmowers, bikes, et al. Yay for MADD.
Ditto with the jury's guilty verdict. Too bad most of the morons who get on juries are sheep and will nod their heads and say guilty when the prosecutor tells them to.
 
2005-12-22 01:06:33 PM  
Is a DUI on rollerskates next? Look, that fact is, the majority of drunk driving accidents happen at BACs of 0.17 and higher. To paraphrase an article that I can no longer find, setting the BAC limit at 0.08 is like setting the speed limit at 50 to catch people driving 100.
 
2005-12-22 01:07:56 PM  
The Southern Dandy: Speed.

I'm not convinced speed's an issue. If a car traveling on a freeway smashed into a person, or a person on a scooter, that person is done. It's been about 12 years since my last Physics course, but unless that scooter weighs 5000 lbs instead of 50, speed is not an issue. (unless it can travel at 2500 mph)
 
2005-12-22 01:08:37 PM  
Welcome to the wonderful world of Big Babysitter.

In Texas, DWI (aka DUI) is a $2000 ordeal the first time through, and plenty more thereafter.

But the one thing you WILL NOT lose is your driver's license; they milk 'em just like cows down here.

Nothing but a scam to make money for the State.
 
2005-12-22 01:09:08 PM  
Several years ago a friend of mine was at another friends apartment for a Christmas party. Someone in the complex complained that he had parked in "thier" parking spot to the police so they showed up requesting that he move his vehicle to a "common" parking area on the other side of the lot. Since he had a drink or two at this party he was promptly arrested for DUI once he moved his vehicle 50 feet across the lot. He was arrested, taken to jail that nite and basically ended up paying over $6000.00 in fines, court costs, lawyer/legal fees.
 
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