Someone want to give me the origin of the "Not Yours" images?

To those that are wondering why the voice vote wasn't recorded in the register;

voice vote - A vote in which the Presiding Officer states the question, then asks those in favor and against to say "Yea" or "Nay," respectively, and announces the result according to his or her judgment. The names or numbers of Senators voting on each side are not recorded.

Link to Def - pops

Hrmm, best judgment? hhrrrrmmmm

HappyDaddy:

*my genius and my handicap (now 7.1) are unrelated except in the similarity of their deviation from the mean*

Not to mention your daring wit.

I have been waiting all day for the thread where I can say Bush is an idiot dictator.

Bush is an idiot dictator.

//There I feel better.

Not exactly the outcome I would've hoped for, but at least the filibuster forced Republicans to negotiate.

HappyDaddy

Right - because you certainly would rather it be in the forefront in the middle of an election year than now.

You two ought to open a political consulting firm.

Heck yar! I'm sure that you can come up with a name too.

I am very happy about the idea of this being pushed back, especially since things seem to be going downhill fast. In case you haven't noticed sport, your team that you cheerleader for is not quite up to turf. It would take a pretty well designed terrorist attack, or some good ole' Cheney "BOO"s to get this thing passed in any form close to what it is now. Of course, this is just my opinion. For any further information required you will have to consult with my Firm (member) for a nominal fee.

-One more day 'till holiday freedom.

kuhns_m

I have been waiting all day for the thread where I can say Bush is an idiot dictator.

Don't worry, there's usually at least one every day.

pontechango: Not to mention your daring wit.

Funny you should mention that. I don't think I have ever seen you even attempt to say something remotely amusing. Sad.

stonent
And you really think the terrorists will stop after that?

Um, maybe you haven't heard, but the Patriot Act doesn't do anything to stop terrorists. All it does is erode or just destroy the civil liberties of a formerly free nation.

pontechango

I would consider the Beltway Sniper (October 2002) a terrorist attack

I agree with you on the beltway sniper. They were Muslim converts but for some reason that wasnt really brought to the forefront.

ZipBeep: Now if we had a responsible journalism sector, one of them would ask each and every senator how he/she voted and get him/her on record.

/But they are too busy covering the stolen baby penguin story.

But... But... But... It's a baby penguin!

/And how about that celebrity gossip, huh? Can you believe she's really sleeping with him?!

Stryyder: I have yet to see a proposal for what changes need to be made to the acts in order for them to be accepted by the Liberal Party. All I hear is no no no, not this is what we would like to do. It seems counter productive.


That's because the changes the need to made are all "no, no, no". Duh.

and its called The Patriot Act because its patriotic!

I do not trust that sufficient and sober deliberation was used to whelp this... thing.

WayneKerr: Of course, this is just my opinion.


The Act will be passed, essentially unchanged. That is my opinion today, and it will be magically transformed into fact within six months.

GodsTumor

I agree with you on the beltway sniper. They were Muslim converts but for some reason that wasnt really brought to the forefront.

Maybe because it wasn't necessarily relevent? Should news reporters fall over themself to report every time a Christian kills another Christian? Or a Christian kills a Muslim?

I guess my point is: can you establish that the beltway snipers' (plural, since there were two of them and I'm too lazy to Google if the son was a convert, too) religion in any way motivated the shootings?

ZAZ: It takes a small minority to force a roll call vote. It's fair to assume they all supported the extension until you see evidence to the contrary.


No, I think it's FAIR to say they didn't want the public to know how they voted.

Honest Bender: Canada, for example, maybe full of sissys and what not, but at least they have a certain amount of respect for their citizens.

The ignorance of outsiders is truly comical sometimes.

ZAZ

It takes a small minority to force a roll call vote. It's fair to assume they all supported the extension until you see evidence to the contrary.

I'd be surprised if it was 100% support. Feingold has been pretty vocal about not renewing it, so if he voted for the extension it would be a shock to me.

On a side note, weren't you a TotalFarker as recently as yesterday?

No offense HappyDaddy, but that little line about your genius and handicap could suggest the following:
- Your genius is handicapped.
- Your IQ is 7.1.(i.e., They may be unrelated, but they are the same value.)
- You are a deviant and you are mean.

Assuming that your handicap is golf-related and not some sort of differently-abled reference:
"The difference between golf and government is that in golf you can't improve your lie." - George Deukmejian

Given that quote, I find a certain irony in that you call yourself a 'Lawyer/Lobbyist'.

a true victory for white christian americans
now there is true hope that we can get this country cleaned up

stonent: And you really think the terrorists will stop after that?

We've got to start somewhere. Building a trust is going to suck, but you have to admit we're digging ourselves in a hole trying to sell the rest of the world that our warlike behavior is somehow supposed to bring peace.

That's insane.

It's going to take a long while, and there will be more outbursts, maybe even more attacks, but at least we'll be doing the RIGHT thing for once.

Submitter should follow politics more closely before making such comments.

Ried was on the Sunday talk circuit saying that he is willing to extend the patriot act for a short time, but it was PRESIDENT BUSH who let it die. Bush wanted 4 years or nothing at all and ended up with the Senate ending it.

This 6 month extension means Bush was forced to cave and he didn't get his way...but Ried and the other dissenters ( mostly democrats) did. For now anyway.

monkeyfetusjuice
a true victory for white christian americans
now there is true hope that we can get this country cleaned up

Best. Troll-baiting. EVAR.

At least I hope so. For all our sakes.

stainlesssteelrat: but that little line about your genius and handicap could suggest the following:

Yes, yes it could, but only if you are illiterate. My condolences.

monkeyfetusjuice

a true victory for white christian americans

You are aware that this country is also made of people who aren't white and Christian, right? And that plenty of Christians don't support the PATRIOT ACT? And that plenty of white people don't support it?

Or was that just an attempt at a troll that didn't set off my troll-o-meter?

I personally can't wait until the Dems elect the next president and then the world will be instantly transformed unto a wonderful utopia where all are kind and good.

/it will be nice then...

You people are freakin' cracking me up! This is really fun to watch. This mob mentality over the patriot act is amusing to say the least.

However, please stop deluding yourselves into thinking the govt is spying on you. Your collective lives are far to boring for the fed to be interested in you. Hell, half of you are just scared you'll get pinched by the cops for hitting up your dealer during a 420 call from your cellphone.



Oh yeah, anybody remember this guy? Let me remind you; Aldrich Ames. Busted spying for the russians. Clinton authorized busting down his door and searching/arresting without a warrant. Won't someone stand up for the rights of spies? Why do you hate America?

Hender


Maybe because it wasn't necessarily relevent? Should news reporters fall over themself to report every time a Christian kills another Christian? Or a Christian kills a Muslim?

I guess my point is: can you establish that the beltway snipers' (plural, since there were two of them and I'm too lazy to Google if the son was a convert, too) religion in any way motivated the shootings?

I have nothing agaisnt Muslims...I just think it was more than just a covincidence That it happen shortly after 911, around Wash. D.C. Were they inspired by a hate of christians or US citizens or just whacked out? Don't know but it seemed to be quickly dismissed!

chrisell: "I hereby waive my rights to an appeal should my entry into the United States of America be refused for any reason."

In other words, sign your rights away.

Sign away the right to an appeal of denial of entry, you mean. I didn't even realize there was an appeal right for something like that.

"No one should be allowed to block the Patriot Act." - Bush

Huh. I guess I was under the impression that domestic policy was more or less decided on by representatives, based on the perceived will of the constituency.

I don't think Bush has ever been very clear on that point. This whole "presidency" thing must be a real thorn in his side.

HappyDaddy
Yes, yes it could, but only if you are illiterate.

Or, you're not a golf-playing lobbyist.

Rosencrantz

This 6 month extension means Bush was forced to cave and he didn't get his way...but Ried and the other dissenters ( mostly democrats) did. For now anyway.

Exactly. And I will bet Feingold voted FOR the extension. All the Dems wanted to do was to talk about it, while extending it.

Bush was the pouting baby, saying "Either extend it for 10 years or I take my ball and go home." Even a few Repubs saw through it.

If (in 6 months), those 2 sticking points are reworked, Dems will happily ratify it for a 10 year period.

ADVANTAGE: Dems

HappyDaddy
"WayneKerr: Of course, this is just my opinion."


The Act will be passed, essentially unchanged. That is my opinion today, and it will be magically transformed into fact within six months.

Well, I guess then that I've been presently, opinionatedly challenged and been futurely, factually demoted.

The difference in the previous situation?

(before the spying story broke)
Anything less than making the complete PATRIOT ACT permanent NOW is totally unacceptable.

(now, after the story broke)
A compromise has been reached, with a temporary six month extension to the parts set to sunset.

Actual reason?
This gives the Congresscritters six months to gauge the winds of public opinion on the spying story and adjust their tack accordingly before facing the voters in the fall elections.

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

-Declaration of Independence

/just saying

crawlspace: Clinton authorized busting down his door and searching/arresting without a warrant.

More wacko Republican Bullshiat.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1994_rpt/ssci_ames.htm

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (hereinafter "the Committee") received its initial briefing regarding the case on the day the arrests were publicly announced. The facts contained in the affidavit supporting the arrest and search warrants were summarized by representatives of the FBI.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere

I personally can't wait until the Dems elect the next president and then the world will be instantly transformed unto a wonderful utopia where all are kind and good.

What? Where's the republican utopia that we were promised? The control the presidence AND the congress - what is their excuse?

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: I personally can't wait until the Dems elect the next president and then the world will be instantly transformed unto a wonderful utopia where all are kind and good.

I think if the next president is a Dem the role reversal will be amusing. I can see it now when any problem comes up:

Dems: But Bush...
Repubs: Yeah but he's not in office anymore! Focus on today!

/you know it'll happen

Gosling exactly what civil liberties have you lost?

volsung3

I think if the next president is a Dem the role reversal will be amusing.

Think compromise between the congress and the president - that's one of the reasons why the 90's were so successful.

I've really been trying to stay away from ad hominen attacks, but sometimes it feels so good:

HappyDaddy you are an IDIOT. Oh wait, you have been profiting since this adminstration has been in office. HappyDaddy, you are a very smart man.

/Don't worry about the rest of us. We weren't using our rights anyway . . .

OralB
What? Where's the republican utopia that we were promised? The control the presidence AND the congress - what is their excuse?

Don't you remember?

The bastard Democrats filibustered a few judges, so it's all their fault!!

grimace78

PWNED!

You haven't really been following the Patriot act story, have you?

I thought we all knew this was going to happen. There were more votes against the block in the first place.

Like Vet_Curm said though, if public opinion falls and this wiretapping stuff really hits the fan then it will be out in June 06.

Senators need to get reelected after all.