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(Reuters)   Transport workers' union to be fined ONE MILLION DOLLARS per day, be fired upon by sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads   (today.reuters.com ) divider line
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2005-12-20 04:53:46 PM  
I had heard that it takes a generation for unions to form and get rights for the workers, and then another generation for people to forget why they needed the unions in the first place.

unions are a necessary evil. personally i'd rather have them than not.
 
2005-12-20 04:54:00 PM  
Darth_Lukecash: Do you know WHY the people feel they need to strike?

Because they're fighting for the right for people that aren't even employees to retire at 55 should they ever decide to join up? They stand there and open & close doors, or sit and dive trains/buses... not backbreaking labor, just boring as fark... no reason they can't do that until they're 62 like the rest of the goddamn country.

A 3%/4%/3% raise structure is rpetty farking good if all they have to do is not get fired, don't ya think?
 
2005-12-20 04:54:21 PM  
Offering them a raise would encourage further actions like this in other cities, fining them doesn't help either. I'd like to offer a suggestion.. Fine them X dollars per person then give them all a raise of X/2 per year. Keep them from doing it again.
 
2005-12-20 04:54:32 PM  
"If you enjoy your weekends, thank the Unions. All workers have every right to take actions as needed to bring attention to their problems."

unions did that something like a houndred years ago. anything unions have done, say, in any of our lifetimes, that would help people get to work in new york?
 
2005-12-20 04:54:47 PM  
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We need the Pinkertons!
 
2005-12-20 04:54:49 PM  
vegetable raygun:

Maybe if the state would pay a fair wage there would not need to be a strike.

So $50-75k, no health insurance costs, and a pension with retirement at 55 is unfair? To drive a bus? That's more than most cops make. Name some private sector jobs that offer the same benefits. I bet it's a damn short list, if there are any at all.

Hey, let's pay them all $100k a year. Fry cooks, bag boys, and waiters too. When it costs $20 to ride the bus, or an extra $15 at the grocery store, or your Mcdonalds Extra Value meal now costs $10, don't biatch to me.

F*** these assholes. Fine them, fire them, make them walk the streets with big signs letting the public know who they are, so they can receive multiple beatings.
 
2005-12-20 04:55:00 PM  
"If you enjoy your weekends, thank the Unions. All workers have every right to take actions as needed to bring attention to their problems.

Yes. But in the public sector you have the greater and overriding responsibility of being a public servant. Unions have done a lot of good in the improvement of working conditions and pay for the American worker. Public sector workers have the as much right to bring attention to their plight as sector workers do but halting the services that government provides its citizens is the wrong way to go about it. This just leads to animosity against public sector workers and their cause. They'll never get a damn thing they want now because the politicans politically can't afford to give it to them. They'll get tossed out on their ear come election time if they give in.
 
2005-12-20 04:55:14 PM  
man if that $1m is for the entire union and not in conjunction with paycut from individual workers, thats nothing...

that comes out to about $29 and change per worker if its $1m total.
 
2005-12-20 04:55:21 PM  
On one hand, you have a government entity with a billion dollars in surplus asking to cut medical benefits, which is bullshiat.

On the otherhand, you have a group of eneducated and mostly unskilled workers demanding to receive benefits and pay as if they are educated and skilled, which is bullshiat.

I say, get the head of teh Union, the director of the MTA put their biatch asses in the Octagon and let'em have it out. Winner gets their proposal to fly.(end sarcasm)

I feel for the people of New York. This sucks. I also feel for the workers as I know what it's like to be working for a company that is in the billions in their profits and still feels the need to cut your benefits.
 
2005-12-20 04:56:05 PM  
Raven77: each worker is also being fined daily individually, although I can't find the exact dollar amount at the moment.

Isn't it they could be charged twice their daily wages?
 
2005-12-20 04:56:40 PM  
I read that the members of the union make $47,000-$53,000 a year. For driving a friggin bus or subway car? Holy flying spaghetti monster! Isn't that a bit absurd? And don't give me nonsense about it being NYC, because they make almost that much in other places as well. I'm no expert on the matter, but something tells me it isn't that hard to do their job. Hell, I'm a state worker in MA, and instead of getting paid what private industry pays, we get more sick/vacation time, but we're still nowhere near this much money. (I make $30k a year right now as tech support.)


I dunno, it just doesn't make sense to me.
 
2005-12-20 04:56:40 PM  
Lucky13,

Each worker is individually being fined twice his/her wage, daily, as long as he/she strikes.
 
2005-12-20 04:57:01 PM  
vegetable raygun
Maybe if the state would pay a fair wage

In addition to what ThatGuyGreg said, this isn't "the state" anyway...it's MTA vs. TWU. MTA is...well, if you can accurately describe what the hell the MTA is, you're doing better than most. They're public when it suits them to be public, and private when it suits them to be private. It's defined as something like a "public benefit corporation," or something like that.

Crooked management + crooked union = UFIA, commuters
 
2005-12-20 04:57:02 PM  
ADIDAS247

Well its always fun to see who paid attention in history class...

Unions are responsible for the fact that you work a 5 day work week and not 6. An 8 hour day and not a 10 or 12 hour work day.

Carry on
 
2005-12-20 04:57:17 PM  
raven77
FriarReb98, each worker is also being fined daily individually, although I can't find the exact dollar amount at the moment.

Under the Taylor law, striking workers are fined double their daily pay for each day off the job. E.g., make $100 a day, strike for five days, you are fined $1,000.
 
2005-12-20 04:57:36 PM  
Darth_Lukash:So that gives everyone the right to tell them to Shut up and take what we give you? Do you know WHY the people feel they need to strike? What is compelling them to break the law?

What it means (referring to my comment that the strikers are ignoring the very reason they claim to deserve respect) is that they're hypocrites, i.e. scum.

Let me make it more clear: these people are vital to our economy because, unfortunately, we haven't been able to replace them with robots. We're successfuly getting rid of useless token sellers with Kiosks (lowering robberies, etc.). France (I cannot believe I'm about to complement France) has wisely replaced most train drivers with automated systems. Now, they know that for now we depend on them, and instead of respecting US and having peaceful negotiations, they're disrespecting the MILLIONS of affected New Yorkers while demanding more respect for themselves.

I repeat: scum. They're hypocrites, claiming a lack of respect for themselves while mistreating the entire city.
 
2005-12-20 04:57:42 PM  
"Oh, I always wanted to be a Teamster. So lazy and surly... mind if I relax next to you?"

-Homer Simpson
 
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2005-12-20 04:57:51 PM  
There was a court case in the NYC area where the judge's contempt order had the fine doubling every day until the town obeyed. This was 10+ years ago. I don't remember what the judge ordered them to do but it sounded pretty stupid to me.
 
2005-12-20 04:57:56 PM  
Subway operators earned an average of $62,438 a year, including overtime, under the previous three-year contract, the MTA said. Train conductors averaged $53,000, subway booth clerks $50,720, and bus drivers $62,551, the state agency said.

WHAT THE FARK? You can make $50k a year working in a subway booth? That's a job for a trained monkey. Fifty farking thousand for working a subway booth! I am stunned.
 
2005-12-20 04:58:00 PM  
dcjones Isn't it they could be charged twice their daily wages?

Heh. Yeah, I finally found the figure, about the same time you posted that.
 
2005-12-20 04:58:03 PM  
Ah, yes,
"the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

I think if the government farks over the workers long enough and won't pay a reasonable increase, it's the union's duty to strike, no matter what. While both sides should have gone to binding arbitration, a union is nothing without the power to strike; it's like thinking a gun with no bullets makes you safe from attacking enemies. If the government allows the transit system to have a union at all, it must also allow the ability for that union to go on strike. What is this, frickin' China?!?

/A long walk will do those fat bastards good.
 
2005-12-20 04:58:09 PM  
It was only then that the unthinkable occured...could it really be? YES! The tattered, rotting remains of JAMES HOFFA ROSE FROM THE GROUND TO SEEK VENGEANCE!!!

/...oh come on, any zombie icon would be cool.
 
2005-12-20 04:59:04 PM  
I'm getting tired of people biatching that they're not making a fortune for doing a job that a farking trained monkey could do. Is it nice to have buses, subways, etc.? Sure. Will cab drivers be farking orgasmic about this? You bet.

Just like with any other strike, human beings find other ways, and life goes on.
 
2005-12-20 04:59:27 PM  
midgetpets: Do you live in/around NYC or Long Island?

Yeah, Manhattan - I know how much it costs to live here, but I also know how cheap it can be if you decide to live in certain parts of the outer burroughs... $45k can be enough money to pay rent, pay utilities, and get food to eat if you're not out blowing all your $ on hookers and blow every weekend... not my problem if they don't recognize that you need to give up certain thigns if you only decided you needed a 5th grade education.

cheapimmitation: unions are a necessary evil. personally i'd rather have them than not.

Absolutely - if people want to strike against any private company, more power to them... you want to fark over millions of people, a good percentage of them being lawyers and biatchy wives of lawyers over benefits most of the people you're farking over will never see? Knock yourself out, but it's not gonna last.
 
2005-12-20 04:59:41 PM  
midgetpets
"Do you live in/around NYC or Long Island? 45k/year is nothing when you're paying 1500/month in rent for a 1 bedroom."

Most of the people in the MTA live in the buroughs and NJ. You can find a 2 bedroom apt for under $1000 in those areas, particuarly SI and the Bronx.
 
2005-12-20 04:59:56 PM  
Should be 100 million.

You knew the laws when you took the job.
 
2005-12-20 05:00:15 PM  
Tapakip

Your comment says to me that the Transit worker was a lot smarter than you, when it came to picking a career.

Carry on
 
2005-12-20 05:00:27 PM  
I'll bet the NYC police wish they got paid like these guys. I haven't any numbers, but a friend of mine is an NYC cop (for a few years now) and another friend is a Nassau County cop (just graduates the academy in August), and they are not all that far off in terms of salary.
Guess he needs to start driving a bus.

/Glad the woman dragged me to see the tree two weekends ago instead of this Friday
 
2005-12-20 05:01:18 PM  
bslatner:

Alan Parsons Project, as shark w/ laser beams, are Austin Powers references.
 
2005-12-20 05:01:22 PM  
midgetpets
"Do you live in/around NYC or Long Island? 45k/year is nothing when you're paying 1500/month in rent for a 1 bedroom."

Move to Connecticutt.
 
2005-12-20 05:01:58 PM  
They can call for BINDING arbitration, so the idea that they need to strike is bullshirt.
 
2005-12-20 05:02:01 PM  
ThatGuyGreg
$45k can be enough money to pay rent, pay utilities, and get food to eat if you're not out blowing all your $ on hookers and blow every weekend.

Crap, thats where I've been going wrong!
 
2005-12-20 05:03:45 PM  
Why get an education when the mafia protection racket union will provide a bounty for your lazy GED ass.
 
2005-12-20 05:04:06 PM  
55K/yr is really not much if you have kids. God forbid you should be trying to save for retirement at a meaningful rate and put said kids throgh college.

Think about this, college is maybe 10K per year tuition and books (no housing) at a cheap university, three kids and you are deducting 30K(!!!) per year from your salary.

Unions and strikes are not the answer. But, 55K per year is not alot for families with kids.
 
2005-12-20 05:04:14 PM  
50K for working a subway train? DAMN! I need to get me one of those jobs
 
2005-12-20 05:04:24 PM  
Oh whoop de doo. Who the fark gets the million bucks that are supposedly changing hands? What branch of government? Specifically, who gets to squander those ill-gotten dollars on yet another govt boondoogle/prooooograaammm?

BTW, those dollars to pay those fines...where do THEY come from? Whoi really is paying out the nose for this shiat.

Does the average guy in the street come out of this with anything? I don't think so.
 
2005-12-20 05:04:45 PM  
*checks clock*

/off to start 4mi. walk
//32 degrees in NYC w/ 10mph winds
///one of the lucky ones, lives in Manhattan
 
2005-12-20 05:05:04 PM  
horslips: "Unions are responsible for the fact that you work a 5 day work week and not 6. An 8 hour day and not a 10 or 12 hour work day."

odd, I work 60 hours a week, weekdays and often weekends as well... and you know what? I don't have a problem with it...

So suck it.
 
2005-12-20 05:05:06 PM  
Unions are responsible for the fact that you work a 5 day work week and not 6. An 8 hour day and not a 10 or 12 hour work day.

Wait.. you mean some people only work eight hours a day, five days a week?

Sign me up!

/jealous
//IT sucks
 
2005-12-20 05:05:15 PM  
thrgd456

Think about this, college is maybe 10K per year tuition and books (no housing) at a cheap university, three kids and you are deducting 30K(!!!) per year from your salary.

Unions and strikes are not the answer. But, 55K per year is not alot for families with kids.


Solution: Don't have kids if you cannot afford them.
 
2005-12-20 05:05:25 PM  
Hey now hey now, don't dream it's over...Anyone in the working class will tell you retirement is a joke. Anyone really think this generation is gonna pay for the last one's retirement? Fark no. Work til you die.
 
2005-12-20 05:06:06 PM  
horslips

I don't work 8 hours a day, I work about 13, and the Union has everything to do with the fact that I now have to walk or cab everywhere I wan't to go(I walk 3 miles to work today), and its right around Christmas so they can have something that the majority of people working in NYC don't even come close to. I'll get a pension after 20yrs service, I pay my own damn benefits, although subsidized, I get raises according to performance. The money the MTA has is my money!! I gave it to them and the 4-7 other million people who take the train with me! They dont deserve to benefit off of my money by holding me hostage because years ago the organized themselves to be given certain, understandable rights as employees.

They have no right to hold NYC hostage, especially not now.
 
2005-12-20 05:06:31 PM  
This snot nosed generation coming up cries when MTV doesn't play a video...Are they gonna pay for OUR retirment? No!
 
2005-12-20 05:07:01 PM  
They aren't just blackmailing NYC; they're f'nk the rest of the country. I had two passports in route from the British Consulat -- they should have been here, but "expediated" fedex packages from NYC are fsck'ed. If its not here by thursday, I'm going to find every union leader and make them wish they hadn't even though of randsoming shipping through that area, much less NYC.

What say you, NYC citizens? Should we put these leaders up for public humiliation? Perhaps a flogging?
 
2005-12-20 05:07:02 PM  
Walljasper: Does the average guy in the street come out of this with anything? I don't think so.

The average guy on the street gets one free shark with a frickin' laser beam on its head. And if those run out you get a kick in the nuts from Mini-Me.
 
2005-12-20 05:08:37 PM  
thrgd456
But, 55K per year is not alot for families with kids.

And that's before the government takes about 35% so you're really only looking at about 30k spendable.

But, if you multiply the 55k x 2 then you're looking at 110k. I don't care where in the country you are, you can do just farking fine on 110k/year as a family income (even with kids in college).
 
2005-12-20 05:09:08 PM  
<b>Raven777</b>

That's what I thought. Thanks.

its a biatch. i am lucky because my school just ended and I work from home..but it still sucks for me because I gotta drive my mom and siblings everywhere including school, work, etc.

The TWU should burn in hell for this. I passed by some TWU protestors and did what New Yorkers do best.. wave my middle finger at them... and people seemed to agree with me...

i say we boycott the entire system
 
2005-12-20 05:09:47 PM  
How about some federal intervention and mediation?
 
2005-12-20 05:09:59 PM  
"Waaaaah, Unions are outdated and MEAAAAN!"

Welcome to Capitalism. Unions are just Corporations of Workers.

You don't like your Union people? FIRE THEM ALL.

Can't get enough non-union folks to replace them?

Waah.
 
2005-12-20 05:10:01 PM  
I have no respect for either Kalikow or Toussaint. I say fire them both.
 
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