did this at my college.... yeah that lasted 30 seconds

rhiannon: Who uses this bathroom? The Keebler Elves?

The fudge icing for those cookies gotta come from somewhere.

Somewhere nasty.

I just can't get over that an attorney - on the stand - and under oath - said "I didn't know the camera was illegal"

Lawyer Larry Gold...

Why do I know that name?

I have heard of this guy somewhere before, but can't think of where.

Infomercial maybe?

What's the word I'm looking for here....

LIAR!

Yeah, that's it.

You could kinda believe everything this guy claims, except for this part:

Gold said he wanted the camera to watch the entry stairs, but the friend put it in the bathroom. A secretary found it the next day.

I know that I frequently mistake bathrooms for stairs, especially when installing security cameras.

Since it was a lawyer, it must be OK.

/Love to take hits in the bathroom, cuz I know a camera is illegal.

To catch pot smokers...yeah, that's the ticket!

If the only way you can catch your pot smokers is to video their bathroom breaks, then maybe the pot smokers arent causing all that much of a problem in the first place. Hmm?

JustinCase, that was my immediate reaction ... you'd think a lawyer would:

1. Know the laws about video surveillance, or
1a. Be aware there *are* laws about video surveillance, or
1b. have some dim awareness that putting a video camera in the bathroom is not ok

2. Know that ignorance of the law is no defense ...

p.s. at least the real killer in this story had the courtesy to smoke in the bathroom, where else in a highfalutin' law firm are you supposed to get high?

Does he work for the Bush administration?

/didn't rfta

Seems like a smoke detector(s) would have been the first thing ,if he were really concerned about the smoking in the bathroom.

what a farking cock

Ignorance of the law is no defense, not even if you're a lawyer.

The camera goes in the locker room not the bathroom. Get a clue.

GW
Lawyer Larry Gold...

Why do I know that name?

The law clearly states that 25% of all people admitted to law school must have the sur-name "Gold".

Gold broke down in tears as he talked about losing 80 percent of his clients after the arrest.

Ah, come on, keep your chin up. The sexual predators will come knocking on your door before long, once they hear what a sleaze you are...

Yeah, about 100%.

"Your honor, it was only there for one day!"
"I didn't know it was illegal"
"A friend did it!"

Geez, is this guy 12 years old or what???

/Your mother wouldn't buy that, why would a judge???

//This thread useless without pics!!

///Come on! They must have been hotties!!

\\\\Evil back slashies!!!

Ha ha!

"I was selfish dumbassish by not thinking about the potential consequences," he said.

fixed that for ya' gold-member

he is wery good loyya, i want to be a loyya when im olderr

A lawyer is always an asshole. --John Le Carre

Later, lawyer Gold went on to invent the smell-o-mat, which works well in bathrooms, without needing a camera. The device broadcasts up to 50 different odor alerts, including "stinky", "taco bell for lunch","light a match" to "marijuana."

To steal from pajama bottoms...

Ha-HA! Dangly parts.

Ha-HA! Cameras in bathrooms.

Ha-HA! No due dilligence.

Phil Ken Sebben == my deity of choice (yay Stephen Colbert!)

Lawyers are an odd lot. I have no doubts whatsoever that he thought no one would notice the camera. None.
I'd swear most of them qualify as idiot-savant.

/Not guilty. My client is definately not guilty. Yeah, not guilty.

How about a smoke detector?

Little known fact: Weed smoke doesnt set off smoke detectors any more than a few cigarettes. Light up a cigar or leave the oven open and it might go off however...

So I guess he never did catch the pot head? What a shame.

Boobiesontheside: Little known fact: Weed smoke doesnt set off smoke detectors any more than a few cigarettes. Light up a cigar or leave the oven open and it might go off however...

Only if you're talking about the typical home smoke detector. Those are made to not be overly sensitive because it would be real annoying to set them off everytime you light a cigarette or burn some toast.

But commercial smoke detectors can be made to detect even the most miniscule amount of smoke, if you want. Such types are used on airplanes, for example, where the presence of any amount of smoke at all is a concern. He could have used a super-sensitive detector in the restroom that would have been triggered by a couple puffs from a joint or cigarette. At least that would have been legal.

The moral of the story: If you want to get high at work, bring pot brownies to snack on. Then people can't smell it on you.

I worked in a place where they put up a "motivational" poster of the CEO in the men's room.

Someone relieved themselves on it.

After sending out a very grumpy memo, cameras appeared in the men's room to hopefully catch the culprit or prevent it from happening again, errr, or something ...

Proof that any idiot can get through law school

It's totally OK that he invaded privacy like that and violated rights with unlawful surveillance.

Last year's Man of The Year said so.

AbsolutTBomb: How about a smoke detector?

That would make too much sense. It would also prevent him from getting vids of what he was really looking for.

Epsilon: Only if you're talking about the typical home smoke detector. Those are made to not be overly sensitive because it would be real annoying to set them off everytime you light a cigarette or burn some toast.

But commercial smoke detectors can be made to detect even the most miniscule amount of smoke, if you want. Such types are used on airplanes, for example, where the presence of any amount of smoke at all is a concern. He could have used a super-sensitive detector in the restroom that would have been triggered by a couple puffs from a joint or cigarette.

Photo Electric or ionization Smoke Det's?
When you say commercial are you talking about addressable analog or traditional eol supervised?
Which chapeter of NFPA 72 are you referenceing?
What is the min std for the 'commercial' Smoke Dets sensitivity?
How often are they tested? What is used to test them?
Who is the AHJ in your area?
Which NICET Level are you?
Overly sensitive? "real annoying"? Did your AHJ use those words?

Cameras can always be used in areas where "there isn't normally an assumption of privicy" - generally speaking, of course. But that means there are parts of public restrooms that aren't privite. One would be wise to bring in the Law Enforcement folks anytime it's discussed, but in a common area , no problem. Just be advised: if there is a mirror in the field of view, showing an area that is privite, you are breaking the law.

*Just as no one should ever have a official privite discussion behind closed doors with out a witness, no one should take it upon thereself to put cams into a bathroom-The appearance of perverted behavior greatly outweighs the need to bust someone who can't wait for lunch.

Wouldn't a mandatory drug screening be a better way to catch whomever it was? You can't fool a drug-screening.

Larry was looking for crack, not pot.

quickdraw
/how do you know when a laywer is lying?

When their lips are moving?

Smart Ass: Photo Electric or ionization Smoke Det's?
Either one can be adjusted by the manufacturer for high sensitivity.

When you say commercial are you talking about addressable analog or traditional eol supervised?
By commercial I was only referring to types of detectors meant for commercial applications as opposed to your typical residentail smoke detector at Home Depot. The method of electrical connection to the supervisory switch has ne bearing on the sensitivity of an initiation device, and is therefore irrelevant.

Which chapeter of NFPA 72 are you referenceing?
I wasn't. Although there are NFPA requirements for minimum sensitivity and specific placement depending on building structure, we weren't discussing that. FYI though, a small office restroom would typically only require a single, centralized, ceiling mounted smoke detector, and in some cases a horn strobe near the egress.

What is the min std for the 'commercial' Smoke Dets sensitivity?
I'd have to look it up, but it's really not relevant to the discussion. I was suggesting that he could get a smoke detector of very high sensitivity, in which case the minimum standards would be far exceeded and thus, not important.

How often are they tested? What is used to test them?
In my area they test anually, assuming the codes are being followed.

Who is the AHJ in your area?
The Authority Having Jurisdiction in my area is the Las Vegas Fire Department.

Which NICET Level are you?
Certified Level 1, but haven't used it in years.

Overly sensitive? "real annoying"? Did your AHJ use those words?
No, I did.

Any other questions?

Innocent until proven guilty? ;)

Not in THIS court of public opinion.

/because potsmokers are worse than privacy invaders
//this thread is useless without pics of the secretaries :)

Epsilon just put the smackdown on SmartAss

back to TFA, can somebody post the Chuck Berry mugshot?

Epsilon:

wow, way to put em in his place.

Epsilon that was a ton of homework he gave you. I hope you get paid for it.