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2005-12-16 01:35:03 PM  
Don't tell me what to do.
 
2005-12-16 01:42:51 PM  
I'd like to know how women with big boobs are suposed to hide them. I just had a baby and they are huge. I have clevage in a turtle neck.
 
2005-12-16 01:47:33 PM  
But you don't go to work in a tank-top, do you, Gwendolyn?
 
2005-12-16 01:48:11 PM  
I break almost every rule. It's hard to get a top that you can't see my boobs. If I button up a top the whole way, it makes this big opening right where my boobs are because they are big (I am preggers). I pretty much have to unbutton.
 
2005-12-16 01:53:17 PM  
You don't have to cover them up, or render them invisible, but everyone knows who the office whore is. Don't be that girl.
 
2005-12-16 01:53:49 PM  
Gwendolyn: I'd like to know how women with big boobs are suposed to hide them. I just had a baby and they are huge.

RTFA. It's not that they can't have a good figure, it's that they shouldn't be obnoxious showoffs about it.

*cough*
 
2005-12-16 02:00:08 PM  
BTW, go to any online bodybuilding message board and do a quick check on how many males who work as consultants in tech fields have found that if they wear clothing that reveals they work out, they are discriminated against (given fewer jobs and responsibilities). I don't mean painted-on tight clothing, I mean well-fitting clothing that doesn't look like it's designed to disguise the figure of an out-of-shape big guy.

I've experienced it myself, and I've heard many stories from other guys in this position finding that they get more automatic professional respect (particularly consultants, who are frequently working with new people) if they dress in a way that makes it look like they have a somewhat out of shape body. This discrimination isn't something that just happens to women.
 
2005-12-16 06:26:40 PM  
it's not true, more cnn trying to make a buck and distract us from important issues, like bush's spying on u.s. citizens, just after lunch my boss called me into her office, charlie (my real name) did you hear that bush has been spying on american citizens? 'no janice'no i replied, i've been at the gym since 11am, i had to take a little longer lunch to get my abs in shape, i'm trying out for a part in a movie, well, she said, it looks like you are starting to get somewhere, are your abs getting nice and tight? yes, would you like to touch them? okay, gee my ex worked out alot more than you and his abs weren't as good, how's your glute? it's okay want o se
 
2005-12-16 07:30:14 PM  
Can someone pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaasse tell the fatasses where I work that skin-tight fashions from Walmart are doing little to assauge the communal fear that the fat is about to bust out and smoosh all of us? k'thx.
 
2005-12-16 07:30:49 PM  
Vin Diesel: RTFA. It's not that they can't have a good figure, it's that they shouldn't be obnoxious showoffs about it.

Back where I used to work, we had one girl that used to wear shirts so low-cut, it was difficult to NOT stare. I think she just wanted the attention, though. She got it.
 
2005-12-16 07:35:04 PM  

"that she was passed over for promotion 16 times because of her attire and physical attractiveness." You have got to be kidding me.
 
2005-12-16 07:35:25 PM  
What about that man boobage?
 
2005-12-16 07:37:13 PM  
Meanwhile, on the shores of the Adriatic Sea, Caterina Bonci, a Roman Catholic religion teacher, said she was fired from her job at a state-run school for being too sexy. (The school principal said both parents and teachers complained about her high hemlines and ample dcolletage.)

They, why oh why do they send mixed messages and INSIST the female student in their oh-so-pious church-run schools wear those slutty little skirts and see-though blouses?

Parents think that because they pray to God and the Blessed Virgin Mary in these schools it somehow is a better environment for learning. But, my kids tell me that those RC girls "put out" waaaay easier than the public high school girls.

The Roman Catholic Church - Messing with people's sex lives for 2000 years!

/no respect! no respect!
 
2005-12-16 07:37:21 PM  
One of my co-workers has this problem. The boss's administrative assistant always tells her her clothes aren't professional enough, or that they're too racy, when they're most definitely not...she just has tigole bitties and a great body.
 
2005-12-16 07:37:38 PM  
VPLs have given way to VTLs anywho.

(visible panty lines vs. visible thong lines)
 
2005-12-16 07:41:21 PM  
Boohoo? For every one job a girl is "too sexy" for I can find a dozen where her sexiness will get her hired over someone more qualified.

Wahh I have too much money!! People don't appreciate me for my mind! I have such terrible luck!
 
2005-12-16 07:44:44 PM  
 
2005-12-16 07:49:37 PM  
I worked at a hotel where a woman dressed completely inappropriately for the job. She'd wear tiny skirts with her blouses open, bleach-blonde hair teased out...she was embarrassing. Even more so considering that she was the director of sales and marketing for the place. She was basically whoring herself out to clients by being a tease. Understand, I have nothing against some skin, but there's a point where you're just going too far. Men don't wear mesh shirts to the office (although the suit-and-tie mentality really needs to give way to more sartorial choices), so why do some women dress so badly for work?

Man, I even sound like a prude to myself. But my point stands. For all I care, we should go around naked. But until that is the de facto choice of work apparrel, use some common sense.
 
2005-12-16 07:51:41 PM  


i'd hit it
 
2005-12-16 07:55:09 PM  
Solution: I think we should all work in the nude.

Saves money on washing powder as well.


/Have you seen those girls at Hooters? Attention whores, all of them.
 
2005-12-16 07:56:34 PM  
A GIS for Caterina Bonci [totally SFW] reveals gives a ton of hits of the same chick and it appears to be her.

Sure I'd hit it but I've seen much better. She's had a few sammiches too many if you ask me.
 
2005-12-16 07:56:53 PM  
 
2005-12-16 07:57:09 PM  
I had a link to the GIS but I screwed it up so you're on your own.
 
2005-12-16 07:58:51 PM  
You're not your farking khakis
 
2005-12-16 08:03:34 PM  
Eh. As a strapping young buck working at his college (and thence promotion is unknown), I have to say I have absolutely no problems with women dressing as provocatively as possible. No one gets passed up for promotions, or pay raises (cheap bastards...), or any other sort of "good for you" thing because there are none to go around. Please, oh corporate controllers, do not ban the slut-dressing at work!
 
2005-12-16 08:05:17 PM  
Tell me more of these crotchless khakis of which you speak...
 
2005-12-16 08:08:11 PM  
For all I care, we should go around naked. But until that is the de facto choice of work apparrel, use some common sense.

If it is to be it is up to me.
 
2005-12-16 08:15:44 PM  
I see other flight attendants in my company who have altered their uniforms so they look like the ones they sell in the costume shops for strippers. I think it's funny, seeing as how our crew policy has our uniforms and appearance codes laid out to the n-th degree.
One of our trainers told us, "If you're getting ready for work and you think you actually look cute, you're probably not uniform compliant". *Sigh*....so true.
 
2005-12-16 08:19:03 PM  
hodgep:

Thanks for the nightmares.
 
2005-12-16 08:39:33 PM  
If I were the boss, then women would not be denied promotion because of their sexiness. Instead it would be based on how often they sucked my d*ck. (Yes, I have a duck)
 
2005-12-16 08:42:35 PM  
If Ace is suggesting the proper word to be used is "you're" in place of "your" he/she/it would be incorrect.

"Your" implies ownership, "you're" is a contraction meaning "you are."

/The more you know...
//If Ace is not suggesting this, I will summarily STFU
 
2005-12-16 08:56:39 PM  


i'd fear it would hit me.
 
2005-12-16 08:58:03 PM  
here's one for Bonci:



This statement will probably get my arse flamed, but it has been my experience that those typically that encouter issues of "dressing too sexy" are usually not that attractive in the first place...

My thinking is, are these issues entirely about appropriateness (cuz I see lots of people wearing skirts to work) or merely taste (as it's not uncommon to hear when someone probably shouldn't be wearing one because it looks hideous)?
 
2005-12-16 09:01:14 PM  
Vin Diesel: BTW, go to any online bodybuilding message board and do a quick check on how many males who work as consultants in tech fields have found that if they wear clothing that reveals they work out, they are discriminated against (given fewer jobs and responsibilities). I don't mean painted-on tight clothing, I mean well-fitting clothing that doesn't look like it's designed to disguise the figure of an out-of-shape big guy.

I have to admit, if I see a guy with bulging biceps under his shirt I tend to think "muscle head" and not expect much from him. I never really realized how that's the male equivalent of the office slut reaction.
 
2005-12-16 09:01:20 PM  
If Ace is suggesting the proper word to be used is "you're" in place of "your" he/she/it would be incorrect.

Surely you wouldn't think that "You're not your farking khakis." is incorrect??

You are not your farking khakis.

Does that make it any easier for you Grammar Nazi?
 
2005-12-16 09:12:01 PM  
Nobody wants to here you bullshiat grammar whore...
 
2005-12-16 09:22:49 PM  
So you're telling me that I lost my job a couple of months ago because I was too hot?

Awesome! I'm getting a lawyer!
 
2005-12-16 09:32:30 PM  
No chaps without pants...Mike
 
2005-12-16 09:41:17 PM  
Vin Diesel:BTW, go to any online bodybuilding message board and do a quick check on how many males who work as consultants in tech fields have found that if they wear clothing that reveals they work out, they are discriminated against (given fewer jobs and responsibilities). I don't mean painted-on tight clothing, I mean well-fitting clothing that doesn't look like it's designed to disguise the figure of an out-of-shape big guy.

When I was in the Air Force, the network dudes (contractors) looked more like guys who belonged in a rap video than typical IT people. But they were extremely professional. I guess if you didn't know better, it'd be hard to not stereotype in one way or another. I guess if you're a consultant, image is everything.
 
2005-12-16 10:04:49 PM  
More babe skin = better.
 
2005-12-16 10:42:50 PM  
Spandex ought to be a privelege, not a right.
Fluorescent spandex should be banned.
 
2005-12-16 10:50:42 PM  
FarkinOgre: If Ace is suggesting the proper word to be used is "you're" in place of "your" he/she/it would be incorrect.

Surely you wouldn't think that "You're not your farking khakis." is incorrect??

You are not your farking khakis.

Does that make it any easier for you Grammar Nazi?



naw, I think he's just never seen Fight Club, and read that as "You're, not your. farking khakis!"
that being said, if you're going to be a grammar nazi, you might want to work on your reading comprehension, first.
 
2005-12-16 10:52:21 PM  
From the article:
as well as excessive use of makeup

I can imagine ugly women putting on lots of makeup and then sueing when they get passed
over for promotion. The courts rule in their favor, and they now have documented evidence that they are sexy.
 
2005-12-16 11:42:48 PM  
The entire concept of the Drew Carey Show was based around this.
 
2005-12-16 11:53:06 PM  
No brainer. If a woman dresses like a slut, then she should be treated as such. I absolutly abhore those few women that use their sexuality for an edge.
 
2005-12-17 12:03:18 AM  
Women are extremely pressured to be sexy enough for everybody else. But I don't think this is just about wearing skin-tight clothes and low-cut clothes. Consider this- if it were a MAN who was extremely hot, wore sexy clothes, nobody would complain. Not parents. Not teens. Not really, no. Therefore, I think it is completely horrible and unfair for women to lose jobs because they are good-looking and attract attention. I REALLY doubt that school librarian was whoring herself off...

If it were a man, nobody would ever consider firing him.

>< makes me kind of angry...
 
2005-12-17 12:54:03 AM  
bandeyemlinsang
Women are extremely pressured to be sexy enough for everybody else. But I don't think this is just about wearing skin-tight clothes and low-cut clothes. Consider this- if it were a MAN who was extremely hot, wore sexy clothes, nobody would complain. Not parents. Not teens. Not really, no. Therefore, I think it is completely horrible and unfair for women to lose jobs because they are good-looking and attract attention. I REALLY doubt that school librarian was whoring herself off...
If it were a man, nobody would ever consider firing him.
>

If by "sexy clothes" you mean "revealing clothes" (since that is what the article is really about), then yes there would
be complaints, and as in any complaint-filled work environment, if they went on long enough and/or were serious enough, he would get fired. I'd bet it would happen faster than with a woman, too, because our society doesn't like male exhibition as much as female exhibition, no matter how "hot" the guy may be. See Vin Diesel's post and the responses to it for more anecdotal evidence.
 
2005-12-17 12:55:38 AM  
bandeyemlinsang -

"if it were a MAN who was extremely hot, wore sexy clothes, nobody would complain." ...

untrue. one of our coworkers came to terms with his sexuality a few years ago, and he still gets sent home at least once a month for wearing skin tight purple lame' pantsuits to the office. (i'm sure *someone* finds him sexy.)
 
2005-12-17 01:18:35 AM  
bandeyemlinsang
Women are extremely pressured to be sexy enough for everybody else. But I don't think this is just about wearing skin-tight clothes and low-cut clothes. Consider this- if it were a MAN who was extremely hot, wore sexy clothes, nobody would complain. Not parents. Not teens. Not really, no. Therefore, I think it is completely horrible and unfair for women to lose jobs because they are good-looking and attract attention. I REALLY doubt that school librarian was whoring herself off...

If it were a man, nobody would ever consider firing him.


Men have dress codes just as women do. With men it tends to be simpler: If you need a shirt and tie, you better be wearing a shirt and tie and you'll be OK, assuming your tie doesn't have pictures of naked women, or your shirt hawaiian print, or something.

With women, there is both more freedom and more responsibility. Rather than the more strict rules for men, women have more options on what to wear, and at the same time, they have a responsibility to dress appropriately for the work environment.
 
2005-12-17 01:42:44 AM  
My boss hired an intern from his alma mater to work at our company for six months. This woman was a literal GODDESS to about a dozen male co-workers. Every woman she worked with was aloof or distant to her, unless they matched her hotness level (I am fortunate to work in an extremely rare environment where hot chicks (say 7-10 range) constitute 60% of our workforce). She had long wavy brunette hair, a narrow waist, and natural breasts that were easily in the F or G cup range. She was in her early 20s, was dating a guy who of course was consistently unemployed back home, and wore clothing appropriate to women her age. Problem was, this was Nerd Central, and one does not go around wearing stretchy tops showing 4 inches of cleavage and expect the men to be able to talk coherently. She wore trendy outfits, sort of the retro-60s variety (think Dolly Parton in a flower child outfit).

She was truly a a sweetie when you talked to her, but after 5 minutes you could tell she was still a girl. We eventually had a male co-worker go to HR and complain about her attire, but as Gwendolyne said above, how in the hell do you hide naturally huge breasts? This girl wore a tank top and they were still in a different zip code. She ended up getting a position as a consultant with another company.

Women face a very difficult double standard in the professional workplace. In my experience it is very difficult for an attractive, intelligent woman to get the respect of her male AND female peers, because there is this unwritten rule that she somehow slept her way to the top. I offer my assessment of the caste system in the science businesses:

Innocently attractive woman (think Love Hewitt or Alison Mack) + inappropriate clothing = Attention whore or fashion moran. She is just enough of a tease to make you lose focus, but is fairly easy to get along with. She of course has a boyfriend who is every bit an asshole, but she has a soft spot for rectal men, so it works out for her. She can be either capable or a complete idiot, but with a sweet smile and a Scarlett O'Hara "fiddle dee dee," she somehow scrapes by even the most gargantuan fark-ups.

Innocently attractive woman + business attire = Professional, trustworthy, somewhat respectable, but still seen for her looks more than anything else. If she ends up in upper management, she apparently has the right credentials to get the job done, but there is always this rumor that sexual congress was involved. Most of the boys-club mentality of corporate management sees her as girlish and dismissible as non-threatening.

Skanky woman (think Jenna Jameson) + inappropriate clothing = She's screwing someone in upper management. Her resume has interesting clerical titles from companies such as "Barbizon". You can pretty much bet she'll fark up a sandwich or coffee order, and will be on the phone with non-work calls (most to her asshole boyfriend or her 'gal pals') for at least 5 of 8 hours a day. She inspires enough estrogen to distract the males, but the skank alarm goes off early even in the social lepers; usually only attracts the attention of the company playas and custodial staff.

Skanky woman + business attire = She's screwing someone in upper management, AND was just promoted to some inane title like VP of Xeno-Advertising. She usually wears enough perfume to draw the EPA, and lets you know she is capable and professional. Her business cards usually have a 3-D style to them. Problem is, you never get a clear picture of what she really does at the office. She's typically always in a meeting, but is never seen doing actual work--just scurrying from room to room, usually with a laptop in tow.

Average looks woman + business attire = Garden-variety female worker drone. You can depend on this woman to get things done. She attracts enough attention to be hittable, but is usually demure enough not to get everyone falling all over her.

Unattractive woman (think Martha Stewart) + business attire = CEO or VP; high-level manager. The boys-club fears this more than the fires of Hell itself. This woman will rip your balls off and eat them with her cornflakes. She got where she is because of her brains not her boobs, and you better damn well not call her 'girl,' or 'babe,' because she'll gut you like a fish and play Clair de Lune with your entrails. She has just enough estrogen to put the boys club on the alert ("We smells female, Preciousss"), but has all the sexual allure of Ernest Borgnine in a tutu singing "Cabaret".
 
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