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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Un en 20 adultos en los Estados Unidos no son alfabetizados en inglés   (suntimes.com) divider line 199
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2005-12-16 01:56:27 PM
And of course, if you suggest that immigrants who come to the United States need to learn English, they you are a racist. Despite the fact that to be successful in this country (and really around the globe), you need to know English.

Of course, you do need to remember it was not so long ago that 1 in 20 school children in the US were receiving a German-only school education.
 
2005-12-16 01:59:12 PM


/sarcasm intended
//then again, this is the only country where you can just waltz right in and demand that everyone start speaking your native language
 
2005-12-16 02:00:44 PM
purplesmoke420: then again, this is the only country where you can just waltz right in and demand that everyone start speaking your native language

Really? Someone has done that? Who?
 
2005-12-16 02:00:49 PM
Here's a fairly serious look at the cost of immigration in the welfare age, estimating that "$50 billion per year on average is what these immigrants will likely cost taxpayers"

Cuts In Welfare Benefits to Immigrants:
Justifiable or Detrimental?


"illegal aliens can slip over the border and receive free prenatal care," and as a result, "when their children are born in the U.S. (at taxpayers' expense) these children become citizens and automatically can be enrolled for AFDC"

And then the mother gets an 18 year free ride. Great system.

/rant
 
2005-12-16 02:01:08 PM
Y "submitter" no sabe hablar espaol, el muy imbcil.

Y a todo esto, Mxico es parte de Amrica del Norte. Por eso le dicen NAFTA al tratado, no?
 
2005-12-16 02:02:20 PM
Jin Verde: The state I currently live and go to grad school in is trying to outlaw illegal aliens from going to university. I guess Georgia doesn't need their money.



sorry
that doesnt make any sense

state universities are TAX SUBSIDIZED

the state LOSES thousands of dollars$$$$$ for ever illegal immigrant that goes to college
 
2005-12-16 02:07:11 PM
...and most of them post crap on Fark. Like the Costner submitter yesterday... That was great.
 
2005-12-16 02:08:17 PM
HU?
 
2005-12-16 02:08:38 PM
/SpinStopper [TotalFark]
/I can see it now. Stop signs five feet
/tall with 14 point type saying "stop"
/in every language you can imagine.

You know, that's not a bad idea.

It's the only way we'll ever get decent street signs in Boston.
 
2005-12-16 02:10:31 PM
"If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for our children!"

-Ma Furguson
 
2005-12-16 02:12:21 PM
I apologize in advance for the foul language, but a friend of mine used to sing (quite loudly) the following phrases while strolling down Main Street at Disneyland.

yo cagu en mi cama ayer por la noche.
mi verga es ms grande que su cuerpo.
mi verga es ms grande que su brazo izquierdo.

Lots of dirty looks from those who understood; lots of bemused looks from those who didn't (including the "cast").
 
2005-12-16 02:15:27 PM
Por que' es este articulo en Espanol?

I'm sure there are about a thousand boards completely in spanish through out the internet. Why post in spanish on one which is obviously in english?

It is like posting math theorems on a literature board.
 
2005-12-16 02:16:41 PM
KevinOfOz:

Despite the fact that to be successful in this country (and really around the globe), you need to know English.


No you don't. But Mandarin helps though.
 
2005-12-16 02:22:03 PM
What do you call someone who speaks multiple languages?
Multilingual

What do you call someone who speaks only one language?
American.


I hate this joke. It ignores those billions of people in China who speak Mandarin, etc.

Plus I'm American and bi-point-five-lingual (speak two and a half languages....)
 
2005-12-16 02:22:04 PM
Reminds me of a joke:

Two Americans travel through Europe and need directions so they ask a local....

American #1: Do you where the Train Station is?
Local: No compredo! Habla Espanol?
American #1 : ehm
Local: Parlate Italiano?
American#1: no
Local: Parlez-vous Francais?
American#1: sorry!
Local: Spreekt u Nederlands?
American #1: I NEED TO GO TO THE T R A I N... S T A T I O N!
Local: Sprechen sie Deutch?
American #1: Aargh.. forget it!

And they walk away.....

American #1: Maybe we should learn another language
American #2: WHY? That guy back there knew 5.... and look what good that did him

/ at least... that's how it sorta goes
// Dutch
/// Spent some time at The University of Florida
 
2005-12-16 02:22:34 PM
The other night I was walking into a Home Depot/Lowe's/Menards (saying all three, because I went to all three and can't remember which one it actually was at), anyway, the sign on the door said Enter, and then repeated that word in Spanish. Rinse & Repeat for the exit sign.

I'm sorry, but this is America. Our official language is English. If you want to live here, learn the language.

That said, if you don't know much English and are currently learning the language, those words should be the some of the first words you learn.
 
2005-12-16 02:25:15 PM
Feliz Navidad!
 
2005-12-16 02:26:31 PM
Why does everyone go Spanish in a knee-jerk reaction to this article? I must've read it wrong. I thought it pretty much meant we're not teaching our kids to spell or read.

I actually had one of my kids' teachers tell me once, "The correct spelling isn't important, for now. That will come with experience." I just stared in disbelief.

That's why 1 in 20 adults are functionally illiterate.
 
2005-12-16 02:29:45 PM
KevinOfOz
And of course, if you suggest that immigrants who come to the United States need to learn English, they you are a racist. Despite the fact that to be successful in this country (and really around the globe), you need to know English.

Immigrants, as a general rule, don't care if they are successful. I knew a family who immigrated from Russia just after the USSR fell. They've been here for 14 years now, and they've been intensely studying english (they both hold Ph.D.s, they are not unintelligent people). They still can't speak well enough to get jobs worthy of their education. Quite frankly, they are OK with mopping floors for a living, because it means their three sons have much better opportunities here.

That's almost invariably the reason people immigrate, if you ask them. Because they want their children to have better opportunities, even if they themselves have less.

Some adults are gifted with language and can learn them easily. Many others spend decades to acquire even a rudimentary grasp of the language. Adults have none of the benefits of the language centers of the brain -- which stop developing in the late teens/early 20s. This means they will have a very, very hard time in two main areas: accent, as the sounds of each language are somewhat different, and grammar, as they need to memorize grammar rules, and rarely if ever get to the stage where they intuitively know how to construct a sentence.
 
2005-12-16 02:30:47 PM
XerdoPwerko, el muy imbecil?
No.
El esta un imbecil
or
Que imbecil.
Plus, submitter has good form. Just not normal flow. It's the difference between "...aren't literate in English" and "...are illiterate in English."
 
2005-12-16 02:30:52 PM
 
2005-12-16 02:35:00 PM
lukelightning:

hate this joke. It ignores those billions of people in China who speak Mandarin, etc.


The joke is as old as American tourism in Europe. Chinese do not mass tour.
 
2005-12-16 02:36:18 PM
By us in New Jersey, it's mostly Columbians and some El Salvador(-ians?). Many never learn English, or learn just enough to get by at work.

My wife is from Ecuador, and she's fluent in English after five years here and a couple classes. I'm learning Spanish from her, and I managed to get by when we visited her family. I've also managed to forget four years of French classes almost entirely through lack of practice, though I can actually understand most of the French written above.

Point is, people learn a language when they have to, and forget any language they've learned if they don't use it. To imply that Americans are a bunch of dolts because they're typically monolingual isn't very fair, when most are only ever exposed to one language in their daily lives.
 
2005-12-16 02:39:00 PM
I'm sorry, XerdoPwerko but this is still bugging me.

no sabe como hablar (el) espanol...

and

"le dicen" means something like "it is said by them"

just use "dice."
 
2005-12-16 02:49:58 PM
Well somebody has to pick the crops, do the yardwork, and other menial tasks.

That's the way it's always been.
 
2005-12-16 02:59:17 PM
First the Russians get their own Fark, now Mexico wants one for their own ~Fark.mex. Do you know how long it takes me to read the Russian version already? And now I have to learn Spanish? Come on people, I only have so much time left on this earth!

//back to work
 
2005-12-16 02:59:30 PM
C'mon guys, illiterate in English doesn't mean they're foreign. I've seen a lot of caucasian, American-born undergrads who are barely able to string a coherent sentence together -- and we're talking undergrads at big, expensive universities in urban areas here. I've always wondered how they managed to fill out their applications, and shuddered to think of the students who didn't make it ...

I still remember when I was grading tests, and found one where the student had written across the top "I'm sorry if my answers aren't written well, I'm a Korean exchange student." Sad thing was, she got a perfect score and her answers were better written than most of the rest of the class.
 
2005-12-16 03:04:34 PM
Zwei Bier, bitte.
 
2005-12-16 03:11:40 PM
Welcome, Barbarian Hordes!
 
2005-12-16 03:13:42 PM
MENTAL RETARDATION

My father once volunteered as a tutor to help the illiterate. His pupils mainly wound up being retards who had little hope of become literate but their guardians thought it would be an enriching activity and get them out of the house.

In the United States:
There are an estimated 7.5 million people with mental retardation. This is approximately 2.5 to 3 percent of the U.S. population. One out of ten American families is directly affected by mental retardation.
 
2005-12-16 03:17:24 PM
So I guess they just read fark for the pictures...
 
2005-12-16 03:21:27 PM
Warum mussen die Americaneren zwei Sprechen wissen? Ich weiss, dass Deutsch sehr unbrauchbar ist.

/assuming the HTML filter will kill umlauts and the like.
 
2005-12-16 03:23:51 PM
No Mas!
 
2005-12-16 03:27:14 PM
I'm sorry, but this is America. Our official language is English.

What.
 
2005-12-16 03:28:56 PM
I'm sorry, but this is America. Our official language is English. If you want to live here, learn the language.

That said, if you don't know much English and are currently learning the language, those words should be the some of the first words you learn.


Poor Poor you. This is only the beginning. And besides, quit your farking whining and grow a pair.

OTOH Thanks for being a stereotypical 'Murcan.


/Many of the signs I read are 2 or more languages.
 
2005-12-16 03:39:32 PM
"Did he just say 'Lopez'? He said 'Lopez'! I can speak Spanish!"
 
2005-12-16 03:39:41 PM
Welcone a Amrica. Ahora hable ingls!
 
2005-12-16 03:42:12 PM
I'm teaching my almost 2-year-old son letters, colors, animals, and other common words in Spanish along with English.

And not with the help of that goddamned Dora the Explorer, either.
 
2005-12-16 03:42:42 PM
Th3 0ff1c14l l4ngu4g3 0f th3 U.S. sh0uld b3 h4XX0r. 3ngl1sh FTL!!!
 
2005-12-16 03:43:28 PM
Mi ojos esta enfuego! Gusto su gato verde!

Well, that's three years of public-education Spanish for you...

Oh well, at least I remeber the important phrases... curses.
 
2005-12-16 03:43:29 PM
the pronoun "el" (him) needs an accent on the e. My "el" was used as the article "the", as in "he can't speak spanish, the imbecile". The first "el" would need an accent, whereas the second would not.

"le dicen" is used as "it's called". That's why the treaty is called NAFTA = "Por eso le dicen NAFTA al tratado"

"no sabe + infinitivo" is a more direct way of saying "he/she doesn't know how to" (no sabe como (accent) + infinitivo). You don't say "no se como nadar", but instead "no se nadar". (I don't know how to swim) The lack of accents makes it more confusing on this forum, but the verb "saber" in first person singular needs an accent on the e.

Sorry if I failed to make myself understood.

/Spanish teacher for a living
// lives in Mexico
 
2005-12-16 03:47:41 PM
sorry for the double post, but I might as well correct the headline.

When you say the number one as a noun, not as an adjective, you use the number itself. "Uno"

One in twenty, in Spanish, would not be "uno en veinte", but "uno de cada veinte" - as in "one in each twenty". It's more specific.

Ser/Estar, the verb "to be" is confusing in Spanish. Since being alfabetized is not a continuous action in the present, but a condition that could be complete (or in this case, isn't), then the correct verb to use is "Estar". They are not being alfabetized in this moment (ser alfabetizado) but also, they are not alfabetized (no estn alfabetizados).

Thus:

Uno de cada veinte adultos en los Estados Unidos no esta alfabetizado en la lengua inglesa. (esta needs an accent on the A)
 
2005-12-16 03:48:30 PM
Dragonblink: I thought the same as well (i.e. that this was about illiterate English-speaking US citizens) when I opened the link. There are plenty of those in this country.

I once heard that if you don't learn to read by 3rd Grade, you have something like a 90% chance of never learning. I mean you could learn, but its damn difficult. Esp. since being intelligent is so uncool in this country.

JoeTheGuy: Maybe I misunderstand the system, but I thought that if you were from out-of-state you had to pay out-of-state tuition. Besides, if someone has the chutzpah and the brains to get into university they ought to get a chance to go.

I'm just saying a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
 
2005-12-16 03:49:09 PM
Pues, soy canadiense, y puedo hablar espaol bastante bien. Hablo mejor espaol que frances.

No creo que es una problema -- la verdad es la constitucin liguistica, social y cultural de los EE.UU. esta cambiando. Es una procesa natural en un sociedad abierto.
 
2005-12-16 03:49:44 PM
The Fark filter ate my accents.
 
2005-12-16 03:51:14 PM
danielr

I'm sorry, XerdoPwerko but this is still bugging me.

no sabe como hablar (el) espanol...

and

"le dicen" means something like "it is said by them"

just use "dice."




Um, no on both counts.

But hey, don't argue with me, argue with the native speaker you were already trying to argue with.
 
2005-12-16 03:51:28 PM
kitten_b: Yo quiero Farkenespanyol.com

hotortillas.com
 
2005-12-16 03:52:06 PM
Estaba a punto de hacer un comentario en relacion a la ignorancia general de los americanos, y en particular en lo que corresponde al idioma que supuestamente deberian de ser capazes de hablar y escribir correctamente; el ingles, o incluso de la segunda lengua mas corriente en los EEUU; el castellano, pero la verdad es que no se si tiene sentido hacerlo. No me va a entender casi nadie de cualquier forma o sea que que mas da.

Tamahan on loppuen lopuksi fark. En ik ben waarschijnlijk bezig met trolling voor effect.

Ju storre landet ar, desto hogre ar andelen idioter antar jag.

En fait, maintenant que j'y pense, j'aime bien les 'ricains. Surtout les nanas:
http://www.beta-recordings.co.uk/americangirls/

So it's all good in the end.
 
2005-12-16 04:12:07 PM
Join now: usenglish.org
 
2005-12-16 04:13:34 PM
purplesmoke420: then again, this is the only country where you can just waltz right in and demand that everyone start speaking your native language

Cuchulane: Really? Someone has done that? Who?


Happens all the time. I can't count the number of times I pick up the phone and the first thing I hear is: "Mumble bumble espanyole?", to which I reply with: "Nee, sprechen Sie deutsch?" or sometimes "Wo bu hui jiang zhongwen." if I'm in a humorous mood. Quite often, hablamo-inglesity ensues. Or not. In which case I don't give a fark either.
 
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