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2005-12-14 10:12:16 PM
I want to audit the all female class.
 
2005-12-14 10:14:23 PM
not @ brokeback high school
 
2005-12-14 10:16:25 PM
That will prepare them wonderfully for the real world when they have to work and compete with members of the opposite sex for the next 45 years.
 
2005-12-14 10:23:51 PM
sullyman: That will prepare them wonderfully for the real world when they have to work and compete with members of the opposite sex for the next 45 years.

I think there is some merit to keeping boys and girls separated, particularly during the 10-14 age range.

/My $0.02
 
2005-12-15 03:03:08 AM
Oh come on. Let the kids live. Dealing with the opposite sex while young helps with social skills. One's gotta learn to talk to the opposite sex at some point in life.
 
2005-12-15 03:52:13 AM
I hear seperating out the black kids would improve test scores as well. Why don't we do that again?
 
2005-12-15 03:52:55 AM
'2005-12-14 10:14:23 PM mathmatix [TotalFark]

not brokeback high school'

Wasnt that film Bareback mountain?
 
2005-12-15 03:55:23 AM
Typical economics model hypothesis - then it miserably fails in testing. The students also do worse in other areas that involve cross-sex involvement.
 
2005-12-15 03:56:35 AM
HOW IS THIS COOL??????

All you're doing is keeping these kids from figuring out how life works. Jeez, test scores aren't everything

Future farkers the lot of 'em
 
2005-12-15 03:59:17 AM
High test scores or not, I think same-sex classrooms screw things up in the way of social skills and such.
 
2005-12-15 03:59:39 AM
Separate but equal with justification = Teh new age of awesomeness
 
2005-12-15 04:00:18 AM
 
2005-12-15 04:00:51 AM


GO BROPHY!!!
 
2005-12-15 04:03:37 AM
jkaoclobb: High test scores or not, I think same-sex classrooms screw things up in the way of social skills and such.

I think that's the point. Classtime isn't supposed to be about socializing. It's supposed to be about learning. They're not talking about having a seperate girls school and a seperate boys school, but during math class you're probably better off not trying to pass notes to Stacy to see if she likes you or what not. Save that for lunch or after school. If anything, this might teach the kids more about the real life, about how there's a time for work and a time for screwing around, and the more you seperate them, the better each will be.
 
2005-12-15 04:04:05 AM
Questions the proponents of this don't want asked #1:

Does it affect the proportion of students that end up being gay or lesbian?
 
2005-12-15 04:05:22 AM
This makes sense for middle school kids. If I remember correctly I was nothing but a ball of hormones at that age. Class is not time for socialization anyway. Theres always lunch for that.
 
2005-12-15 04:06:28 AM
nanded

Crap... Uh yeah what you said
 
2005-12-15 04:07:19 AM
nanded
But it should also be about socializing. It turns out that scoial more important to most people than what year Columbus discovered America and such.
 
2005-12-15 04:08:14 AM
nanded
In hindsight, I probably should have read past your first sentence.
 
2005-12-15 04:10:22 AM
andrew131

Typical economics model hypothesis - then it miserably fails in testing.


Did you even RTFA? I don't see an econ model being used here. Ok, it's only anecdotal evidence for one school - it'd be good to see some peer-reviewed study on this - but if it works for them, good.

> The students also do worse in other areas that involve
> cross-sex involvement.

Oh, you mean like being well-adjusted people that are used to life in the real world?
 
2005-12-15 04:11:50 AM
does this make sense for a child growing up? Oh, I'm a boy, I'm at school with girls in kindergarten, 1st grade-5th grade, and then BAM! Seperate classrooms. High school? back together again. Sounds farked up to me.

Middle school is always gonna be a holding tank for a swill of hormones first and a school second, in my opinion.
 
2005-12-15 04:13:15 AM
Except for computer science classrooms.

Well, theory could not be tested as enough females could not be found.
 
2005-12-15 04:14:15 AM
Everything I learned about all-boys school was from James Joyce's 'Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man'

Classic book.

/Co-Ed P.E. at my school. Sweet!
 
2005-12-15 04:15:06 AM
SwiftFox: Does it affect the proportion of students that end up being gay or lesbian?

That would be unlikely since sexual orientation is genetic.
 
2005-12-15 04:16:28 AM
Here's a semi-relevant annecdote:
I went to 7th grade in Illinois, and 8th in Utah. In Illinois, gym class was coed, in Utah, it wasn't. Now, I was just as much a raging ball of hormones as anybody else, but I wasn't any more distract in gym class than in math class really.
But when I moved to Utah, I remember being baffled at the amount of effort and risk that all of the other guys were putting into sneaking a peak at the girls doing calesthenics. I'd seen girls doing calesthenics before. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but since it wasn't forbidden before, it really just wasn't *that* big of a deal.
 
2005-12-15 04:19:14 AM
In other news, teaching kids how to use their physical dominance to coerce the smart kid into allowing them to cheat off him also causes test scores to rise.
 
2005-12-15 04:20:21 AM
This is a terrible idea. There is no better time to learn that you are a failure with the opposite sex than in middle school.

/still bitter after all these years
 
2005-12-15 04:27:53 AM
Acrosstheborder

Your threadjacking asshatery is irritating. Just buy an ad
 
2005-12-15 04:28:05 AM
Ric Romero: Girls dress like skanks in public high schools.
 
2005-12-15 04:31:57 AM
Not one, but two missed capitals in that article.

Methinks the author would have done better if he went to same sex classes.

/Copy editor's head asplodes
 
2005-12-15 04:33:37 AM
I think the value of having co-ed classrooms goes beyond mere "socializing" and "interacting" with the opposite sex. If you have both genders working through problems and equations together, a mutual appreciation and understanding of each other's abilities and intellect can be met.

Hell, I was in public schools during the K thru 12 gauntlet, and I don't think I had that much of an edge over private school guys when it came to "picking up chicks" at parties for instance (not that this is what "socializing" is all about, but you get my drift). I sure as fark respected the heck out of them in the classroom from day one of college however, and don't get miffed one bit if a girl "out-debates" me or whatever.
 
2005-12-15 04:33:45 AM
I mean, lol, no shiat.

I was in a few classes that had only 1 or 2 girls total and if I sat in front of them I only got rock hard for the teacher all period. One of the classes I took was shorthand, mostly girls (two guys other than myself and the rest of the class was cheerleaders... go figure) but it was such an in-your-face-fast class that there was no time to notice the girls. School shouldn't be about socialization it should be about getting a good education for our adult lives....

what if our adult lives require good inter-gender socialization skills in a mixed workplace that we will no longer be ready for? Sexism in the workplace has been a major productivity loss concern for more than 50 years.

Let's face it, there's no perfect solution.
 
2005-12-15 04:35:43 AM
why did I take shorthand? I took speed reading too! Write fast notes, read fast notes, note fast notes. Probably the most effective skills I ever gained in school other than the ability to sleep in incredibly uncomfortable positions and pass gas without making noise, that is.
 
2005-12-15 04:37:08 AM
of course the solution to a socially crippled society is further seperation! it makes perfect sense!
 
2005-12-15 04:39:25 AM
prjindigo

Girls can be a distraction too, that's for sure. I made the mistake of wearing sweatpants a few times to class where there were some hotties...boy, it sucks to have to cross your legs or flip it up for the whole class as a preventive measure.

That said, I do think the pros of dealing with them (particularly early on) outweighs the cons.
 
2005-12-15 04:41:20 AM
Isn't it cute how every few decades someone thinks that separating hormone-infested youngsters for the benefit of their own academic education is somehow new?
 
2005-12-15 04:45:38 AM
My school days were constantly interupted by my 'hormones' - not that the chicks in my class were particularly hot, it's just that, at that age, I got 'a rise' from even the slightest female contact or glimpse of forbidden flesh.
My grades were good enough to get me into further education, but the teachers assured my parents that that I should be tested for A.D.D. as I lacked concentration. I think that a seperate-sex structure encourages better learning(maybe boys more than girls)

/I could'a been a contender
 
2005-12-15 04:51:40 AM
Forget the article -- where the fark do they find reporters nowadays? It's been one year since Baker Middle School in Columbus implemented same sex classes for it's students. Since then grades and test scores have improved.

Jeebus. Farking. Christ. I guess, maybe, it should be no surprise that this came from a Fox affiliate -- but if they don't know the difference between its and it's, then they've got no right reporting on education.

/End Grammar Police Mode.
 
2005-12-15 04:52:07 AM
chumpchange
Did you RTFA? No where did it say the better results are because of the same-sex policy. Simple correlation does not mean causation.
 
2005-12-15 04:58:56 AM
These kids have their whole lives plus after-school activites, church, clubs and summer to socialize and become familiar with each other, not to mention between classes. It's not like a feminine or masculine perspective is needed in math class or English, but in clases such as history/social studies and government it would be better to integrate.
Believing that splitting classes up for two hours a day will socially cripple people makes no sense. We should be more worried about children being seperated from their parents for all but 5 hours a day.
Those grade scores were positive, and that's a lot better news than usually comes out of schools these days.
 
2005-12-15 05:06:52 AM
It has been said before...

But I will repeat it again.

On a usefulness scale...Social dynamics trumps book sense in the real world.

School is supposed to prepare you for the real world.

Plus, if I go to school with guys only, I'm probably going to be very comfortable around guys....and less comfortable around girls.

So students who are more comfortable around their own sex.....hit the work force where they are not to discriminate... What do you think is going to subconsciously happen?
 
2005-12-15 05:09:09 AM
I can imagine how my high school learning experience would've been more productive if there weren't always girls in my class.

It didn't help my English grades none, neither.
 
2005-12-15 05:09:36 AM
Ahh I got it...So cripple them at an early age and make it impossible for them to comfortable learn/work around the opposite sex when they are adults.

/Stupid idea.. You don't trade in better test grades at a younger age for worse performance at an older age.
 
2005-12-15 05:09:59 AM
Okay, the correlation not causation, lack of sample size thing aside. What is more important to these kids during the time they come into the classroom till the time they leave, learning the material or learning how to socialize? It is not like if they don't interact in the same classroom, they don't interact and learn social skills at all.

noahad
Middle school will always be a swill of hormones, but it doesn't have to be for the 45 minutes or hour and a half when kids should be learning math and science.

Sullyman
Interacting with the opposite sex in a classroom may prepare you for competing against the opposite sex throughout life. I would say that the better understanding you're able to gain through better concentration and being less self conscious prepares you even better.
 
2005-12-15 05:17:53 AM
I apologize, no need to flame.. it's obviously a one-sided study... Making a choice impossible to make at this point.

We need to follow these "test students" into real life.. something this trial is completely ignoring...

I'd rather see the full ramifications of these actions before I'd approve/disapprove..

However, I am strongly leaning toward my hypothesis that this would hurt us more in the real world than what it helps us in school.

/Dumbass parents are the primary problem
//Not schools
///Not teachers
 
2005-12-15 05:18:36 AM
Funzo
No feminine perspective necessary for English? I think everyone from Mary Wollstonecraft to present would probably disagree.
 
2005-12-15 05:24:18 AM
What about smaller schools and specialized classes? I graduated in a class of 352 kids. There were a few more when I ment to middle school, but not many. I remember there were about 4 girls in my shop class, and I was one of 5 guys in the choir. What do you tell the 4 girls that want to take shop, or what would you have told me about choir? And don't say have 2 class periods for each. We could barely afford textbooks.
 
2005-12-15 05:34:54 AM
andrew131

Did you RTFA? No where did it say the better results are because of the same-sex policy. Simple correlation does not mean causation.

I did read it, and I didn't claim that we should use this evidence as proof of correlation. It's one classroom. As I said, a peer reviewed study would be interesting on this.

Where did you get the "economic model" from, anyway?

If it works for this classroom, then good. No point arguing about it.
 
2005-12-15 05:41:28 AM
I can see this leading to male students being even worse at interacting with the fairer sex
 
2005-12-15 05:50:04 AM
it's not like a feminine or masculine perspective is needed in math class or English

my feminist english teacher would rip your throat out ;)

/coolest teacher i ever had
//yeah kids we used to buy beer in harlem when i went to high school
 
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