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(Yahoo)   The process of "icing the kicker" by calling a timeout right before a field goal attempt may actually have opposite effect. Here comes the three-point science   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2005-12-14 02:22:54 AM  
Don't they also do this on eBay?
 
2005-12-14 02:25:25 AM  
Hasn't Greg Easterbrook (Tuesday Morning Quarterback) been pointing this out nearly every week this season?
 
2005-12-14 02:25:50 AM  
What? do this on ebay? wtf are you talking about?
 
2005-12-14 02:26:50 AM  
Didn't Fark have this link around this time last year?
 
2005-12-14 02:27:04 AM  
There was precious little science to back up that "here comes the science" claim. You're right, Easterbrook has been pointing out the futility of it - but, if icing is all the hope you've got left...
 
2005-12-14 02:28:44 AM  
I've always wondered about this when watching NFL games. I mean, what percentage of times does icing the kicker work? In what situations? Does it depend on the kicker's amount of experience? Fortunatly, TFA provided answers to not one of those questions. Thanks for the sports "journalism," yahoo news...

anecdotal quotes from kickers != 3 point science
 
2005-12-14 02:32:09 AM  
Oops, I meant kicked in the box.

/Doesn't watch football. Too much standing around and ass-patting.
 
2005-12-14 02:35:24 AM  
He [ Feely of the NY Giants ] became a national symbol of futility after he missed three potential game-winners against Seattle on Nov. 27 in a 24-21 overtime loss.

The deciding factor was that the Seahawks have a case of the awesomes.
 
2005-12-14 02:39:30 AM  
totalsecurity Doesn't watch football. Too much standing around and ass-patting.

Hrm, well if you could pull yourself away from your friends for a couple of minutes you might find the game interesting.
 
2005-12-14 02:40:23 AM  
I have a prosthetic hand autographed by Shayne Graham.

/it's a long story
//met him at a Virginia Tech game in the stands
///he is a former VT kicker
////he went to high school at a rival school to mine
 
2005-12-14 02:41:01 AM  
kicked in the box and shoved?
 
2005-12-14 02:42:19 AM  
I got a Joe Ayoob autograph at the Arizona game at Memorial stadium. Needless to say, it went in the fire along with the voodoo dolls of him.
 
2005-12-14 02:42:24 AM  
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20041113/mathtrek.asp
 
2005-12-14 02:45:50 AM  
Odie_SG

Thanks for that! I knew I had seen a study done about that, where they said that icing DOES work, with real, you know "science" (well, statistics). Everyone check it out here: The link for those who like clicking
 
2005-12-14 02:47:36 AM  
And Hannibal222, Joe Ayoob does suck. Not a kicker, but worth mentioning.
 
2005-12-14 02:52:39 AM  
Only time I've ever seen icing the kicker actually work was last year, AFC playoffs, when Doug Brien missed those two field goals in Pittsburgh.

/disgruntled Jet fan, though the Pats would have killed them
//can't even tank the season right this year
 
2005-12-14 03:06:51 AM  
lelio: The deciding factor was that the Seahawks have a case of the awesomes.

Or more specifically, 'NFC awesomeness illusion' in which the best team from the NFC believes they have a fighting chance... until they play a good AFC team. Week 16, Seattle will most definitely be cured.
 
2005-12-14 03:12:21 AM  
Here comes the 3-point science

More like: Here comes the 3-point anecdotal evidence.
 
2005-12-14 03:14:17 AM  
thejrah: NFC awesomeness illusion


Exactly, the NFC teams are just playing to get the honor of being sacrificed to the Colts.

/Go Bears
//Go Steelers, please remind the Vikings they are not a good team
 
2005-12-14 03:18:21 AM  
I always thought that when an athlete was in a pressure situation (ie game winning field goal, or a game winning free throw), it would be much more nerve racking on them if there were dead silence. Could you imagine trying to hit 2 free throws when all of the sudden it is like you are in a morgue?
 
2005-12-14 03:24:39 AM  
Like 5 months ago there was an article that had percentages, and they missed more after being "iced" by like 3% iirc.
 
2005-12-14 03:31:22 AM  
GoBears
I'm sorry, I just have to mention my hatred for Joe Ayoob everywhere. Many Sesame Street topics have fallen at my hands.
 
2005-12-14 03:32:39 AM  
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2005-12-14 03:34:37 AM  
Not_Enginerd: Exactly, the NFC teams are just playing to get the honor of being sacrificed to the Colts.


And I forgot to mention... Colts have home-field advantage throughout the playoffs, plus a nearby Super Bowl in Detroit. In a Dome. If the Colts don't win it all this year, I think I'm gonna have to start following the CFL.
 
2005-12-14 03:59:31 AM  
I do think the Seahawks will meet the Colts in the Superbowl and that being in a dome close to Indy will make it very tough for Seattle. The two teams are actually very similar, it should be a shootout.
 
2005-12-14 04:30:44 AM  
2005-12-14 02:39:30 AM lelio

Really? Gosh, I'll have to try that.

I'm sure that's a lot better than having sex with someones wife/gf while the guys are all watching the game.
 
2005-12-14 04:49:06 AM  
The play I want to see is this: on a last second field goal attempt from, say, 40-45 yards, have the defense line up and act like they're going to call the time out to ice the kicker, but not do it. I figure something like that would make the offense think they're going to call the time out and either cause them to take a delay of game penalty, or rush the kick when they realize the play clock is still running.
 
2005-12-14 04:50:38 AM  
No need to apologize, Hannibal222. I know how you feel, and I agree.
 
2005-12-14 06:05:28 AM  
Stuff like this always reminds me of the Raiders-New England Snow Bowl, where they tried to do this against Adam Viniatieri. All that happened was the rest of the Pats could clear off the field around the ball (it had been snowing like hell), and he kicked it strong and true.

Lesson as always, don't bet against Adam Vinatieri in pressure situations.
 
2005-12-14 06:26:24 AM  
From what I know of the kicking game...it's a mistake to use the timeout.

Coaches use them because they feel "they might as well burn it if we still got it". Kickers like the extra prep time. If it's a guy who all-of-a-sudden freaks out because a TO was called...then he was gonna miss that kick due to nerves anyway.
 
2005-12-14 07:11:00 AM  
Icing the kicker?

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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-12-14 07:21:03 AM  
Didn't Fark have this link around this time last year?

last summer
 
2005-12-14 07:46:38 AM  
Odie_SG: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20041113/mathtrek.asp


Thank you. What a shiatty article. Let's use case studies to make generalizations. Yada yada... Finally some science.
 
2005-12-14 07:55:59 AM  
totalsecurity: a lot better than having sex

Yes. It is.
 
2005-12-14 09:13:03 AM  
It's always seemed to me that "icing" could only have the desired effect if the kicker doesn't know whether time out will be called or not. Since every coach out there uses up all their times out before a last-second kick, I can't see it doing much other than pissing off the television audience.
But if the kicker actually has to either get fully up for the kick before each time out or risk not being prepared for it when time-out is not called, it could be helpful to the defence.
 
2005-12-14 09:33:41 AM  
It can definately have the opposite effect during a last second situation.

Having only 20-30 seconds to set up, get blocking assignments, warm up the holders hands, etc. vs. Having 1-2 minutes to do so.

Plus most NFL kickers are so automatic it just drags the game out another couple minutes.

/Go Broncos
//Elam never misses
 
2005-12-14 09:50:13 AM  
I saw that shiat on TV. That kick was just barely good, so the icing very nearly worked. It nearly hit the left upright. Then Feely had to go and point up to Heaven as if God somehow had something to do with keeping the ball from going wide.

The real deal:

1. God doesn't give a shiat about football (except when the Bills go to the Super Bowl - God hates the Bills).
2. Feely needs to be told that having "faith" isn't the same as "using the Force." Dude kicks like Obi-Wan is talking to him through his helmet.
 
2005-12-14 10:09:32 AM  
RageFan

Elam never misses - until he missed that extra point last week

/also a Broncos fan
//hopes Broncos will get revenge on Indy in the playoffs
///used to be friends with Chukwarah back at UW when we were both athletes there
////he still looks like predator
//used my slashie quota
 
2005-12-14 10:16:17 AM  
I missed it by like 8 hours, but here: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20041113/mathtrek.asp
 
2005-12-14 11:04:18 AM  
Go anyone to beat the colts in the playoffs. I don't have anything against the colts. I just like the thought of them losing. I also am savoring the idea of the atlanta hype not making the playoffs.
 
2005-12-14 11:21:27 AM  
Screw kicking it altogether.

Just go for it on fourth down.

The odds favor you. There's the science.
 
2005-12-14 11:21:47 AM  
SonnyBono, you are once again my hero.
Cool article.
 
2005-12-14 11:45:01 AM  
The Science News article doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Their sample size of 38 is too small to be statistically significant. The range of error for that sample size is about 14%; they found a difference of 10%.
 
2005-12-14 02:09:59 PM  
steelers vs titans in the 02 playoffs, nedney kicks a field goal, but the steelers called timeout just before the snap to ice him, on the re-kick nedney misses, but then fakes being hit and gets a roughing the kicker call, and makes the kick from 15 yards closer.


Greg_S
Only time I've ever seen icing the kicker actually work was last year, AFC playoffs, when Doug Brien missed those two field goals in Pittsburgh.
/disgruntled Jet fan,


and you don't remember the week before? when a Jets timeout in OT iced Chargers kicker Nate Kaeding, allowing you to make it TO the game vs the steelers?
 
2005-12-14 02:57:02 PM  
Come on, no one is gonna make an Ace Ventura reference??

/obvious
 
2005-12-14 06:37:09 PM  
Come on, no one is gonna make an Ace Ventura reference??

3rd post in, you must have missed it....

/Maybe it was hiding behind the second post
//Or under the couch
///Theyre always under the couch
////Except when they arent
 
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