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(RawStory)   Diebold CEO who promised to "deliver" Ohio for Bush resigns amid fraud litigation, concerns over election mishandling   (rawstory.com) divider line 726
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2005-12-13 05:45:16 PM
dubdub sees it all so clearly! dubdub for PREZ!
 
2005-12-13 05:47:42 PM
VulgarMind: Your opinion lost substance when you said lying about a blow job before a grand jury was a worse offense then breaking and entering with the intentions of subverting this nations democratic process.

Obstruction of Justice and perjury are oath-breaking crimes for a President, in either case.
 
2005-12-13 05:48:11 PM
Sir, you will take my bong away from me when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

BTW, the only measure of worth in this discussion is adherence to the rules of logic and argument. Why? Because I say so, so there.

/Crypto for Prez
 
2005-12-13 05:48:51 PM
Hang On Voltaire: Guess what. Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico promised to deliver New Mexico to Kerry.


Bill Richardson makes voting machines?



You just don't get it. Exit polls are not very reliable. The real polls (Zogby, Strategic, Mason-Dixon etc) all had Bush winning Ohio.

Exit polls historically are far more accurate than pre-election polling. You lose again. And I think you get it.
 
2005-12-13 05:49:43 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat: If my RESPONSE to that rather un-educated insult bothers you, then scroll up before vomiting more tripe like that onto dubdub's playground.

i'm just drunk. you never farking answered any of my questions you ass.
wouldn't papertrail be great when trying to make sure voting fraud didn't occur?

i was just trying to beat you - you - who have sex with animals.
 
2005-12-13 05:50:00 PM
2005-12-13 12:41:27 PM nwarlick

"How many times do I need to explain it - debt isn't a bad thing if you can pay it off. Our ENTIRE ECONOMY RUNS ON THE SYSTEM OF CREDIT. Might want to run back to econ class for at least the first class of the semester."


You are an ignorant asshat. The current debt W has run up equals over $20000 US per citizen. That is debt divided by citizens.. real simple equation. That is not a simple debt our nation will be able to easily pay off. W has borrowed more money then every other president before him combined.
 
2005-12-13 05:50:57 PM
knobmaker: Bill Richardson makes voting machines?

Bzzt, fallacious misdirection. He arguably has as much control over the voting process as the makers of the machines. And let's not forget Daley promising to deliver Chicago to JFK. :)
 
2005-12-13 05:52:31 PM
VulgarMind: You are an ignorant asshat. The current debt W has run up equals over $20000 US per citizen. That is debt divided by citizens.. real simple equation. That is not a simple debt our nation will be able to easily pay off. W has borrowed more money then every other president before him combined.

Only in absolute numbers, which are a terrible index.

/But, yes, the real tragedy is that we didn't need to run this debt up.
//Bring back the divided govt.
 
2005-12-13 05:53:04 PM
No, wait, what! Diebold just called and told me my vote wasn't counted for dubdub for Prez, It was for cryptozoophiliacs' bong.


/Bong for Prez!
 
2005-12-13 05:53:37 PM
*ToAd*

BlueGargoyle

Can you quit it with the red writing please? It's really irritating.

Sorry.

 
2005-12-13 05:54:43 PM
'It is common knowledge that all republicans fark dead people.
Even worse they fark live people too - to procreate - and we all know sex is against God.'

-Hey.. It feels good.

they are all sinners without morals trying to control us with morals.
 
2005-12-13 05:54:54 PM
I second dubdub for president. Stay drunk my brother!
Um, I was wondering if I can be in charge of the rape rooms?
 
2005-12-13 05:57:57 PM
President Bong would be a step UP.
 
2005-12-13 06:02:16 PM
Geeks2themax: /carries drunk dubdub home

i will need this now..

sorry. i love you all. i just get so tired of the hate and venom spit when we all live on the same planet.
sometimes i get enough. hope i just hurt your feelings & didn't kill you.

hear this. there is no escape from this planet, unless you are an astronaut. and if Earth dies you wont survive as an astronaut.
believe in whatever afterlife you need. but leave us people thinking we are stuck on this planet to it.

and if all humans are stuck here, then fighting isn't the best idea.
 
2005-12-13 06:04:07 PM
That's a good idea, dubdub.

You can start by stopping the practice of throwing food at conservative speakers. Its a small step but its a beginning.
 
2005-12-13 06:08:40 PM
Hang On Voltaire: As for the size of difference it was 2% in Ohio!!!!


You can keep saying this, but it doesn't become true just because you wished really really hard.

At 7:32 p.m. EST, CNN was reporting the following exit poll data for Ohio. Women voters (53 percent of the total) favoured Kerry over Bush by 53 percent to 47 percent; male voters (47 percent of the total) preferred Kerry over Bush by 51 percent to 49 percent. Kerry was thus leading Bush by a little more than 4 percent. But by 1:41 a.m. EST on November 3, when the exit poll was last updated, a dramatic shift had occurred: women voters had split 50-50 in their preferences for Kerry and Bush, while men had swung to supporting Bush over Kerry by 52 percent to 47 percent. The final exit polls showed Bush leading in Ohio by 2.5 percent.

At 7:32 p.m., there were 1,963 respondents; at 1:41 a.m. on November 3, there was a final total of 2,020 respondents. These fifty-seven additional respondents must all have voted very powerfully for Bushfor while representing only a 2.8 percent increase in the number of respondents, they managed to produce a swing from Kerry to Bush of fully 6.5 percent.



Discuss.
 
2005-12-13 06:09:00 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat: You can start by stopping the practice of throwing food at conservative speakers. Its a small step but its a beginning.

sure. i only ever threw food on my family as a kid, and at person who shares my name. oh and the 'my little pony movie' at the movies.
will you stop telling people that democrats are having sex with animals?
 
2005-12-13 06:09:10 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat: practice of throwing food

Beats the practice of assasinations and bombings.

And don't give me that "oh it only happened a few times" defense, there are way more than there are Pie-ings and Oreo-ing.

/Peace, out.
//It really is out, these days.
///Go Bark yourself.
 
2005-12-13 06:12:01 PM
The Bush Administration lied about (if not, orchestrated) 9/11.



The War on Terror was a front to steal Iraqi oil.



Both Presidential elections were rigged.




The facts are out there. There's no sense in arguing about it every day.
 
2005-12-13 06:14:57 PM
Well this thread is breaking down.

Its beginning to look as if my work here is complete.


(Reclines with folded arms and a smug pursed-lip smile)
 
2005-12-13 06:17:15 PM
Sloth_DC: knobmaker: Bill Richardson makes voting machines?

Bzzt, fallacious misdirection. He arguably has as much control over the voting process as the makers of the machines.



Argue it then. But unless you're a lot smarter than you appear, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that a governor has as much control over vote-counting as the guy who leads the vote-counting company. Because, you see, we've put certain balance of power laws into place to prevent vote-stealing by elected officials. It's happened before. But since we can't even get as far as convincing people like you that there might have been irregularities in the programming and administration of paperless voting machines, we still have a long way to go in correcting any problems.
 
2005-12-13 06:20:16 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat

You know, you never said which college you attended, or what you discipline was.


And if your goal was to make yourself look like a fool, well, good job. Everyone here thinks that.


/Don't be so smug you obnoxious shmuck
 
2005-12-13 06:25:19 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat

Oh yeah, and when the night crew gets here, this will start up again. So don't be so sure of yourself.
 
2005-12-13 06:25:21 PM
Geeks2themax, you really must like the taste of crow. Please don't tell me you've come back for second helping.

Oh, Lord.

For what its worth, let's just say my background is in 'chemistry', which it is - but its a bit more than that, to be sure.


But that's not really important is it?

We both know what is.


I confuse and frighten you, don't I Geeks?

Don't I?


Talk to me Geeks.

Talk to me.
 
2005-12-13 06:27:23 PM
"Bzzt, fallacious misdirection. He arguably has as much control over the voting process as the makers of the machines. And let's not forget Daley promising to deliver Chicago to JFK. :)"

And it's the "everybody does it" argument. Try that one out when cheating on your wife: "but honey..."
 
2005-12-13 06:28:38 PM
i'm going out to have fun bark_at_the_moonbat. You definetely won this argument bark_at_the_moonbat. Can i kiss your armpits bark_at_the_moonbat? You made me get angry and ask for peace on this planet bark_at_the_moonbat.

*hugs bark_at_the_moonbat.

Don't worry bark_at_the_moonbat. The evil person asking for peace is gone now bark_at_the_moonbat. All will be good nowbark_at_the_moonbat. The government assured me that we are only at terror threat level Yellow bark_at_the_moonbat.

*kisses bark_at_the_moonbat on the cheek

now. now. bark_at_the_moonbat. i will sleep right next door bark_at_the_moonbat. and will be here right away if i hear anything bark_at_the_moonbat.

unless ofcourse you misbehave. then the devil will come and take you.
 
2005-12-13 06:29:30 PM
I, on the other hand fark mythical beasts. Says so right in my name.
 
2005-12-13 06:30:24 PM
2005-12-13 01:02:37 PM Andyxc

"Was it tampered with enough to sway the election in his favor? I kinda doubt it. And even if it was, does it really matter?"


Are you farking kidding me? If the vote was tampered with and the election outcome rigged, I think it would most certainly matter. I can not think of any crime against this nation that would be more deserving of being labeled as a capital offense. Death would be better then such a person deserves.. but the only punishment allowable under our constitution.
 
2005-12-13 06:31:16 PM
Off to load the bong...vote early and often!
 
2005-12-13 06:34:33 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat

Nope. Only one thing frightens me: Falling from heights.

Only one thing confuses me: Your logic

I never left by the way, and I hope you realize that you have not "won". I have not had any helpings as it were, and you certainly won't give me any. It takes more then some really unclever statements to get rid of me. You will never win on Fark. No one ever does... Except in threads with voting enabled. Thats the only case. You think you have the market cornered with "wit" and "intelligence". You don't. Not in the slightest. Your moniker itself just goes to show how ignorant you truly are.

I think you need to do the talking. Why do you find the need to express yourself in such vulgar ways?
 
2005-12-13 06:36:37 PM
2005-12-13 01:08:01 PM Hang On Voltaire

"You just don't get it. Exit polls are not very reliable."

Are you farking kidding me? The bush elections are the first instances that exit poll data has not predicted the outcome of the election of this nation accurately. Yet they are not reliable?

The Bush administration pointed to exit poll data as proof of fraud in an election in the former soviet republic less then a year after the 04 election. Exit poll data is utilized all over the world as a safe check system to ensure the vote against fraud.. and yet here we have some partisan hack talking head piece of asshatedness like yourself proudly proclaiming that exit polls are not reliable.

WTF.....
 
2005-12-13 06:38:28 PM
Here's an interesting articale for ya', VulgarMind.

It addresses all of your favorite fears.


Please enjoy...


December 03, 2003


The Great Unraveling

Has Krugman uncovered a voting-booth conspiracy? Of course not.

When someone says "this isn't about money," you can be sure it's all about money. And when Paul Krugman says "there's nothing paranoid about suggesting" something, you can be sure that what he's suggesting is a crackpot conspiracy theory built on lies and innuendo that only a true paranoid could believe.


In his New York Times column Tuesday, Krugman says "there's nothing paranoid about suggesting" that touch-screen voting machines are part of a Republican plot to hijack elections. He sanctimoniously warns, "let's be clear: the credibility of U.S. democracy may be at stake."

The proof? Krugman assembles a crazy-quilt of anecdotal, inaccurate, and highly selective evidence of technical difficulties and security concerns regarding voting machines manufactured by Diebold, Inc. whose CEO, Walden O'Dell, is a major supporter of President Bush.

The purpose? To set the media echo-chamber abuzz with a catchy urban myth to show that the Republican party seeks an America in which, as Krugman says in the introduction to his book, The Great Unraveling, "possibly elections are only a formality."

Krugman starts his latest column by making it seem as though O'Dell has confessed to using Diebold machines to rig elections. He quotes the following from a letter written by O'Dell concerning a Bush fundraiser: "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." Yes, a horrible choice of words for a manufacturer of voting machines and one that O'Dell deeply regrets. The Ohio-based executive told the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, "I'm a pretty experienced business leader, but a real novice on the political side of this ... I can see it now, but I never imagined that people could say that just because you've got a political favorite that you might commit this treasonous felony atrocity to try to change the outcome of an election ... I wouldn't and couldn't."

In the classic ploy of smear journalism in which the victim's statements of self-defense are deliberately minimized, Krugman paraphrases O'Dell's heartfelt regrets as: "he says that he wasn't talking about his business operations."

Next comes the circumstantial evidence: "Georgia where Republicans scored spectacular upset victories in the 2002 midterm elections relies exclusively on Diebold machines." In a Times column less than a month ago, Krugman claimed that Republican "coded racial signals" were responsible for the Georgia upset. Now, it would seem, a better story has come along. As Krugman Truth Squad member James DiBenedetto notes on his Eleven Day Empire blog, Krugman is now arguing that only ballot fraud could explain "how people could actually... gasp! ... vote Republican, even though he KNOWS how evil and terrible and bad they are and he's been telling us so for years."

Is there any actual evidence of ballot fraud? No. But in another classic smear ploy, the very fact that there is no evidence is itself cited as evidence. Krugman writes that "there is no evidence that the machines miscounted. But there is also no evidence that the machines counted correctly."

Krugman then goes on to raise various concerns about Diebold's technology and corporate behavior. "The details are technical," he begins, which is the smear journalist's way of saying, "I don't really understand all the facts, but here's a bunch of stuff that seems to support my prejudices." Krugman continues,

Early this year Bev Harris, who is writing a book on voting machines, found Diebold software which the company refuses to make available for public inspection, on the grounds that it's proprietary on an unprotected server, where anyone could download it. (The software was in a folder titled "rob-Georgia.zip.")

My investigations confirm that a Diebold server was indeed unprotected for a period a mistake that has been addressed, according to documents provided by David Bear, a Diebold Election Systems, Inc., spokesperson with whom I spoke yesterday. But there is still much in these two sentences that deserves scrutiny.

First, according to Bear's documents, while Diebold software may not be available for public inspection, it is tested both by an independent lab and by outside experts appointed by client states such as Georgia.

Second, Krugman parenthetically mentions the folder name "rob-Georgia.zip." Why mention the name at all except, obviously, to imply by innuendo that the software's purpose was to "rob Georgia" that is, to steal the Georgia election? Yet ex officio Krugman Truth Squad member Doug Augustin points out that, according to Bev Harris herself, "rob" actually refers to Rob Behler, a contract technician working for Diebold, for whom the file was intended.

Krugman continues by asserting that "An analysis of Diebold software by researchers at Johns Hopkins and Rice Universities found it both unreliable and subject to abuse." Krugman fails to mention that Avi Rubin, the computer scientist who led the Johns Hopkins analysis team, has confessed that he held stock options in VoteHere Inc., a Diebold competitor, and was a member of VoteHere's advisory board. Hmmm ... funny how Krugman always seems to forget to mention those advisory-board relationships.

Krugman adds, "A later report commissioned by the state of Maryland apparently reached similar conclusions." In the smear-journalist's lexicon, "apparently" means "has not." In reality, the report prepared by SAIC for the Maryland Department of Budget and Management reached completely opposite conclusions, resulting in the state's decision to purchase $55.6 million of Diebold's equipment. Indeed, an appendix to the report features 29 pages of differences with Avi Rubin's report. The appendix begins,

... SAIC reached many different conclusions. Indeed, Professor Rubin states repeatedly in his paper that he does not know how the system operates in an election and he further identifies the assumptions that he used to reach his conclusions. In those cases where these assumptions concerning operational or management controls were incorrect, the resultant conclusions were, unsurprisingly, also incorrect.
Krugman adds this weasely hedge in his Tueday column: "It's hard to be sure because the state released only a heavily redacted version." Well, we can only imagine how many more differences the report would have found if its appendix had not been redacted to a mere 29 pages.

Krugman doesn't stop with Diebold. Of course, he brings up the infamous 2000 Florida presidential election that wellspring of so many beloved liberal myths citing the "'felon purge' that inappropriately prevented many citizens from voting in the 2000 presidential election." But according to Peter Kirsanow, a member of the US Commission on Civil Rights who wrote a piece on the subject for National Review Online in October,

In fact, an exhaustive study by the Miami Herald concluded that "the biggest problem with the felon list was not that it prevented eligible voters from casting ballots, but that it ended up allowing ineligible voters to cast a ballot." According to the Palm Beach Post, more than 6,500 ineligible felons voted.
And while we're on the subject of Republican conspiracies, Krugman just can't resist reminding us that Republican "Orrin Hatch, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, recently announced that one of his aides had improperly accessed sensitive Democratic computer files that were leaked to the press."

Krugman fails to mention, however, exactly what those leaked "sensitive Democratic computer files" contained. It turns out they were horrifically embarrassing staff memoranda revealing the hand-in-glove strategic partnership between Democratic senators and various lobbying organizations dedicated to blocking President Bush's judicial nominees (according to one memo, "most of Bush's nominees are nazis"). And according to yesterday's Wall Street Journal, there wasn't even anything "improper" about the aide's access to the files. They were all just sitting on a shared server set up by Democratic senator Pat Leahy's IT staff a server, it seems, just like the one Diebold used.

Why is economist Paul Krugman spinning such palpably paranoid conspiracy theories about voting technology on the op-ed page of America's "newspaper of record"? For one thing, the Truth Squad has him on the run. In three of his last seven columns he's been forced to deal with errors, lies, and other issues raised by the Squad. In fact, his self-defenses have become so frequent and so obvious that his colleague Alex Beam, in a column last week for the Times-owned Boston Globe, wondered "Does Paul Krugman Have a Personality Disorder?" and advised him to "Take the chill pill and put the energy to better use."
 
2005-12-13 06:39:51 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat


What is the source of that article?
 
2005-12-13 06:49:07 PM
NRO; where else would you find the Krugman Truth Squad?

And before you shriek, 'Bias', I suggest that NRO is no more biased then the Source for today's thread, wouldn't you agree?

Why does the source matter, anyway? Which passages in the above piece do you take exception to, and why?
 
2005-12-13 06:49:36 PM
paste & cut for teh win? (found another beer)

When someone says "this isn't about money," you can be sure it's all about money.

newspeak. ++good

bark_at_the_moonbat: The proof? Krugman assembles a crazy-quilt of anecdotal, inaccurate, and highly selective evidence of technical difficulties and security concerns regarding voting machines manufactured by Diebold, Inc. whose CEO, Walden O'Dell, is a major supporter of President Bush.

are you reading the words or the meaning? What is being said here is that his proof isn't reliable.

The proof : nothing but words like assembles a crazy-quilt of anecdotal, inaccurate, and highly selective evidence of technical difficulties and security concerns

Need i go through the whole article? There is no proof in that sentence.
 
2005-12-13 06:51:12 PM
I love how the right wing can still stick their fingers in their ears and pretend that nothing inappropriate happened when the CEO of Diebold himself admitted he would personally get the president reelected.

"I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

Oh well.
 
2005-12-13 06:51:16 PM
/no need to thank me ;) welcome to the real world.
 
2005-12-13 06:55:35 PM
if you are disagreeing with me you are obviously assembling a crazy-quilt of anecdotal, inaccurate, and highly selective evidence of technical difficulties and security concerns regarding your proof.
 
2005-12-13 06:56:07 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat

Just for the record, dubdub beat me to it
 
2005-12-13 06:57:16 PM
dubdub, you've already won today's 'election' so you can stop campaigning now.
 
2005-12-13 07:00:35 PM
2005-12-13 06:25:21 PM bark_at_the_moonbat

"For what its worth, let's just say my background is in 'chemistry', which it is - but its a bit more than that, to be sure."


Red stater claiming knowledge in chemistry.. I am guessing meth lab operator.
 
2005-12-13 07:00:59 PM
Well then, THE proof for all of this comes down to the 'exit polls' taken by left-wing journalists desperately hoping for a Kerry win.

Other than that 'proof', all that remains is a crazy-quilt of anecdotal, inaccurate and highly selective evidence of technical difficulties and security concerns.


What else ya' got?
 
2005-12-13 07:02:25 PM
newsmax for the win!!
 
2005-12-13 07:07:54 PM
I think 'Ohio for the win!' would be more appropriate.
 
2005-12-13 07:10:01 PM
You obviously don't know how the system operates in an election and you further identifies the assumptions that you used to reach these conclusions. In those cases where these assumptions concerning operational or management controls were incorrect, the resultant conclusions were, unsurprisingly, also incorrect.

It all means nothing son. You just fell for it.

Don't feel bad. I still forgive you. Come to us.
If you would like to know how to talk to people.

We are pretty straight forward.
No lies, wrapped in beautiful words.

Things are wrong? Let's fix them!
Let's find the best way to do it without hurting too many people. Love your neighbour and all. I'm sure you heard this before.

Now imagine having no enemies.
You are nice to people. They are nice back.
BOGGLES THE MIND!

Shooting people don't work to good. They get pretty pissed if they survive. Or they family does. I know I would.
So cut the newspeak. It might have meaning.

But how can we work towards peace son?
 
2005-12-13 07:11:54 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat: dubdub, you've already won today's 'election' so you can stop campaigning now.

sorry 'bout that. not trying to win anything but peace.
 
2005-12-13 07:12:55 PM
dubdub, is it just alchol or has the situation devolved into mixed-substance abuse this evening?
 
2005-12-13 07:14:20 PM
dubdub on a sicpack moonbat ;)
 
2005-12-13 07:14:45 PM
bark_at_the_moonbat

dubdub
has been the sanest argument all night, and finally just had enough. Show some respect for the man.
 
2005-12-13 07:19:37 PM
*sixpack.
well. i'm going out. got tomorrow off, so can be hungover. peace to all.
 
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