Well, I guess we should just install Kerry in the3 Whitehouse, then? Bunch of CRYBABIES, all of you.

If Capitol Hill Blue says it, it MUST be true!

gorevital

"See you in the next FoxNews thread, I'm sure."
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biglot
I hate Bush as much as anybody, but linkies to a spyware pushing site is a big clue that the source is unreliable.
The wingnuts are about to chew you up on this.

/It's not hard to find credible sources that trash Bush
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Terminal Frost: "
It makes ME giggle that the the only one of the aforementioned articles that said anything about "Election Mishandling" is RawStory. I wonder why."

Funny... I could have sworn that there were a whole bunch of articles that mentioned that.

I guessI was mistaken.

I heard he just wants to spend more time with his family.

QuentinR
I'd settle for an independent investigation with indictments and convictions if necessary and auditable voting machines but since you're offering . . .

So is he the next head of FEMA or what?

I'm not sure this guy has the requisite Arabian horse experience needed for such a position.

/obligatory

GoldSpider

a bit off topic, but Capitol Hill Blue has only retracted 2 stories in 12 years. How many has CNN retracted?

Anybody who doen't understand the concept of 'Conflict of Interests" has no business being a CEO.

cretinbob

I imagine they would be tried, convicted, and executed in the press, just like Roberts, Alito, and DeLay.

/Fark due process!

Some more background on the story

They may not have done anything wrong, but they're acting very suspiciously for being innocent...

damn militant librarians! must they ruin everything!?!

Seriously though, fark this guy in the goat arse!

/never fooled by this quackery

Y'know, we already have cheap, simple touch-screen machines that leave a paper trail. Every grocery store in town has little touchscreens for their credit card swipers, and then you get a receipt.

I'm imagining a system where each voting booth has a grocery checkout scanner and a shelf with tin cans, one for each candidate. Each can is labeled with the candidate's name, their picture, and a huge gorramn barcode on the back. Swipe the barcode across the voting scanner, the scan shows up on the little screen, you press OK, and you get a receipt.

Write-in candidates use the "question-mark" can, and then you have to type in their name.

This software exists now, and if the local ghetto mart can afford it so can the states. How hard can this be?

Zeromyhero

Don't let the facts get in the way!

"militant librarians." In order to understand this joke, your radio must be capable of receiving broadcasts on the Frequency Modulation band.

"O'Dell's resignation comes just days after reports from BradBlog.com that the company was facing imminent securities fraud litigation surrounding charges of insider trading"

Anyone who takes this seriously is an idiot.

/John Kerry murdered Tupac! I said so on MySpace!

He should be executed.

Monthenor
i think you may be on to something...

"a bit off topic, but Capitol Hill Blue has only retracted 2 stories in 12 years."

That could be because:

A. They are a more reliable source than CNN.

B. They have lower journalistic standards than CNN.

My vote is for "B". I'm REALLY curious how a left-leaning organization managed to get a reporter into an oval office meeting of top Republican leaders. Maybe I'm just too skeptical for my own good.

/Perhaps not.

Boojum2k: Hmm, a "news site" that has an ad selling "Anti-Bush Gifts and Gear."

Right. Think we found the leftist equivalent of the floor-humping guy.

Better luck next election.


Outstanding.

Bye Wally you piece of poo

nothing like a good Red/Blue flamewar to warm you on a cold December day

GoldSpider: My vote is for "B".

You have voted B: They are a more reliable source that CNN. Thank you for using Diebold.

GoldSpider
We are trying to get our own "Gannon" in but it's going slow because he won't do bare back. The guy just isn't a real team player.

Monthenor - you think the current administration WANTS the paper trail and all that easy stuff? Truth and the Constitution do not donate to the Republican party

/not the Democratic party either.

Damn. In my haste to be the first to the low hanging fruit I misspelled than.

Reading some links of some of these machine doesn't tell me that fraud was committed, it tells me the machines are CRAP.

Memory problems, calibration problems, too easily damamged during shiping...

For those of you who think Bush committed fraud, you have to beleive that no one else at all had a hand in the Ohio election, which is not true, since those votes are tallied by hundreds of people. Each station needs monitored, sorted, reported, and calibration (as in what the ballot looks like A) BUSH B) KERRY) by the local staff. There would have to be a LOT of people in his pocket.

Living in a dictatorship when you thought it was a democracy is such a non story.

The technology necessary for a clean, fair, and fraud free election:



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And to count the votes:



/EE major, CS minor, but you have to know what computers are useful for and what they suck at
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riche: still shocked that any state would ever for a second consider voting machines that can't be manually verified-- much less actually use them.

Really? This is a country where the Supreme Court decided the fairest way to determine the outcome of an election was to stop counting the votes. As if their munificent wisdom would somehow provide a fairer result that just counting all the votes. That's the logic of Robert Mugabe.

After that particular orgy of stupidity, I'm amazed anyone is surprised by electoral irregularites anymore.

Imagine the frothing on talk radio if the situations were reversed. If Kerry had won but exit polls predicted him losing, and the maker of the voting machines was a rabid pro-Democrat. Rush would NEVER let the story die.

a site with anti-bush gear is obviously not even trying to be objective. how can I take what their saying seriously? and this is coming from a long time opponent to all things w.

well, even thought this story may be suspect.
those machines complicate something simple. at the very least they inspire distrust in our elections. they gotta go.

to anyone who lives in an area where they are in use WRITE YOUR REPS. no conspiracy stuff just a simple objection to the use of these machines. if you live in a state where these are not in use but there is not yet any legislation to block their use WRITE YOUR REPS. it's practical, it's productive, and it might just prevent the results of future elections from being called into question.

whether you think these machines are just fine or not the fact that many people don't trust them is reason enough to dump them. election results must be trusted. or else.

BigTuna :
Fact: O'Dell, CEO of the company that makes the voting machines, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush.

Wearing the "hat" of Chairman of Bush's Ohio Campaign. Agreed, probably a bad idea for him to wear both hats, but never illegal. And don't you think that if he actually HAD ordered fraud in the machines, at least ONE of the 100 or so people who'd have to be in on "the conspiracy" might have been a Democrat? One?

Fact: Diebold refuses to allow independent inspection of the voting machines' source code.

Two-edged sword. Unless Michael-Moorites also could examine it, the loonies would still charge fraud. And closed-source may make it easier for the 100 or so who have day-to-day access to do fraud, but open-source not only gives competetors an edge, it also makes it EASIER for the 100,000 or so outsiders with the skillz to launch hacker attacks and cause fraud. So six of one, 6,000 of the other. Not sure which is better/worse.

Fact: O'Dell resigns for "personal reasons" the day before a judge is to hear arguments about reviewing the source code.

Won't affect that case. But does make the company look better.

Obvious conclusion: this is a run of the mill CEO turnover.

Not. But not anything indicating fraud, either. If he was guilty of something - he would have pulled a Chirac and held on to the reigns so as to CY his A.

I'm not saying anyone's guilty of anything because there's not enough info. But if you honestly think there's no cause for concern, you better come up for air soon.

Don't worry, no need for info. Kos, DU, and all the usual suspects have already determined his guilt. (Since it's impossible for a Dem to lose an election without fraud being involved.) And if he doesn't sink, then they can burn him as a witch. [grin].

aurorous: Is George W Bush running for something in 2008?


With any luck, he'll be running from something(pops) in 2008. Like, federal marshals.

gilgigamesh: Sounds to me like he was responsible for getting diebold into the voting machine business and that decision ultimately hurt the bottom line. I am sure his comments added to the problem, but I don't think fraud allegations are the underlying cause.

Several states are investigating the company's product. Apparently O'Dell had a lot to do with their official stance that it was "too difficult" to build machines with a paper trail, and that the source code for the machines was proprietary and therefore could not be submitted for evaluation even in states where such evaluation was required by law, as in NC.

If you bring the lawyers down on your company, you look like an incompetent asshat.



cretinbob: Should they be shot or hung for high treason?

Yes.

"Imagine the frothing on talk radio if the situations were reversed. If Kerry had won but exit polls predicted him losing, and the maker of the voting machines was a rabid pro-Democrat. Rush would NEVER let the story die."

Yep, but Republicans didn't lose, and aren't the ones looking like asshats complaining about fraud in the past two "rigged" elections.

Non-story. Criminalization of electoral fraud.

unexplained bacon
Word up!!

O, Tookie, O no!!! not the death penalty arrrrghh innocents dying, murder is wrong!
In the same breath ,overlooking election fraud and issues that plague our collective abilities to question and think critically about our government, how it established the power it has, and how it operates in foreign countries in illegal wars which are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of citizens and thousands of our own brothers and sisters. It's moral, because bush is Christian and yes he got elected *duh* remember? He has a 'mandate' to serve the American public? He recieved the most "votes" *evar*. Call me a troll if you wish - but i'm disheartened that there are only 80 or 90 posts at the moment - all these scandals and things concerning the Diebold corporation and their voting machines, which don't have a paper trail or any real way of providing security to our votes and knowing that our votes counted!! Democracy I would guess is at stake, it's possible that our president not only was "selected" once, but twice - and is leading us down an irredeemable path of war and betrayal of the world community. Not saying that a Democrat in office would necessarily *fix* all our troubles, I like to (hope) think that Dems would be less of corporate lapdogs, the fact that Kerry even mentioned in brief the reality of our corporate-biatchdom by invading iraq for oil gives me faith, but we need massive reform to corporate law and foreign policy - i suppose it starts by making sure that we have a collective capability to elect who it actually is we vote for. Allowing companies like Diebold to run elections with little to no regulation and letting the election pass by as a partisan *VICTORY* like a sports team winning a game of sorts....scares me. So start thinking dammit or we're all farked.


Love, Shane

Things like this crack me up. No proof at all, but because there is "concern," and "belief," and "all things add up" then of course the machines were fraudulent and the election was stolen. It never occurs to libs that they lose elections because their ideas are not acceptable to voters.

I'm waiting for my rebuttal from www.hannity.com

Riche
The disagreement of the voting results with the exit polls are very interesting. But without more solid evidence indicating otherwise, we more or less have to assume the machine votes in Ohio were valid.

But the exit polls were wrong in EVERY state.

"but i'm disheartened that there are only 80 or 90 posts at the moment - all these scandals and things concerning the Diebold corporation and their voting machines,"

You let me know when someone is convicted, ok? Until then, just stfu with all the left-wing conspiracy theories to compensate for close losses in the past two elections. Jesus H. Christ, how many recounts do you people need? Bush won - get over it. Better luck next time. At least Michael Moore will have succeeded in his "neverending quest to get Bush out of the white house" next time.

having worked for diebold. I would like to say they suck balls. sell your diebold stock if you have any. that company is going down in flames. my boss was the most stupid person on the entire planet. damn she was stupid.

Hey, idiots, the story isn't suspect, it's plain and simple fact that Diebold's CEO resigned amid turmoil. Just because isn't on CNN.com doesn't mean it didn't happen. You guys need to wake up. The mainstream media isn't your friend. And, oh my lord, neither is Drudge or NewsMax.

Yeah, the exit pollsters would NEVER have committed fraud! That is only reserved for Bush and his cronies on election day!

bmasso

"And closed-source may make it easier for the 100 or so who have day-to-day access to do fraud, but open-source not only gives competetors an edge, it also makes it EASIER for the 100,000 or so outsiders with the skillz to launch hacker attacks and cause fraud."

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