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2005-12-10 03:06:36 AM
House and Senate? or democrats and republicans?

The only real difference in the parties any more is which groups do you want to get the sweet government contracts and massive pork giveaways.

There isn't a single democrat anywhere in congress who's actually outraged by the republican corruption scandals. They're just pissed that they aren't running the gravy train anymore.
 
2005-12-10 03:07:25 AM
Spending like...

 
2005-12-10 04:58:23 AM
aurorous: House and Senate? or democrats and republicans?

I'm selling this sweet bridge, you might wanna take a look...
 
2005-12-10 09:37:43 AM
redmachined: I'm selling this sweet bridge, you might wanna take a look

Is it a bridge to the 21st century?
 
2005-12-10 09:40:20 AM
Politics is a toilet.

The turds rise to the top :(
 
2005-12-10 09:48:14 AM
Great. Let's choose between cutting taxes for the "middle class" making $200K to $500K a year, or cutting taxes for people making more than $1M a year. Meanwhile we are running record budget defecits so we can't afford to pay for what we spend today.
 
2005-12-10 09:54:40 AM
Welcome back Feudalist Serfdom.
 
2005-12-10 09:55:14 AM
Once again, I say "To the barricades!", lets put all their heads on pikes (and their ceo owners too) and take back our country.
 
2005-12-10 10:03:43 AM
aurorous - There isn't a single democrat anywhere in congress who's actually outraged by the republican corruption scandals. They're just pissed that they aren't running the gravy train anymore.

DEMOCRATS = REPUBLICANS
It's like Jello Biafra said on one of his spoken word albums (can't remember for the life of me), "America has become a one-party system masquerading as a two-party system."
 
2005-12-10 10:07:43 AM
this has been on the main page for four hours and it hasn't turned into a flamewar yet?

Wow.
 
2005-12-10 10:12:39 AM
Poverty figures for the US show us regressing again.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov13.html

Median income is also dropping but I haven't found the page, allthough I did hear the report on NPR.

Trickle down does not work, it is a myth the numbers back it up.
 
2005-12-10 10:17:55 AM
2005-12-10 09:48:14 AM P.Wellington


Great. Let's choose between cutting taxes for the "middle class" making $200K to $500K a year


$200k-$500k/yr is middle class? Wow. Looks like I'll never leave the lower class.

Here I am living in one of the bigger houses on my block, and I bought it 3 years ago making $35k/yr.

I'd say unless you're in NY/California, $100k-$200k/yr is middle class. Above $200k is where you start becoming wealthy.
 
2005-12-10 10:59:01 AM
$35k/yr and you live in the biggest house on the block!??! I envy you!
 
2005-12-10 11:00:17 AM
2005-12-10 10:17:55 AM sod213

$200k-$500k/yr is middle class?

I don't think $200K is middle class, but proponents of changes to the Alternative Minimum Tax are positioning it as more fair to the "middle class". The ATM tax cuts biggest impact is protecting people in he $200K to $500K range.

I have 2 problems with this:

1) Both tax packages being proposed really only help the rich, but the ATM cut is being packaged as a "middle class" tax cut even though it still only helps people above the 95th percentile.

2) Taxes should ot be cut until the budget is balanced either through tax increases or spending cuts. Running massive defecit spending while cutting taxes is fiscaly irresponsible.
 
2005-12-10 11:02:32 AM
AgeOfReason: Median income is also dropping but I haven't found the page, allthough I did hear the report on NPR.

I heard on NPR you are a douche.

Actually there is oodles and oodles of data that says trickle down can work. It doesn't work at random, it has to be done when an economy is starting to slump.

But what you do you care, you decided first then looked up stuff to support it.
 
2005-12-10 11:05:13 AM
 
2005-12-10 11:08:35 AM
Actually there is oodles and oodles of data that says trickle down can work. It doesn't work at random, it has to be done when an economy is starting to slump.

Is that the same as the data from every time it's been tried that show it *doesn't* work? Or have you conducted this exhaustive research on some other planet/in some other dimension?
 
2005-12-10 11:12:47 AM
2005-12-10 11:02:32 AM Mosey [TotalFark]

I heard on NPR you are a douche.

I like how you follow the Faux News model - make sure to include personal attacks in all debates.
 
2005-12-10 11:22:03 AM
Mosey [TotalFark]

"AgeOfReason: Median income is also dropping but I haven't found the page, allthough I did hear the report on NPR."

I heard on NPR you are a douche.

Actually there is oodles and oodles of data that says trickle down can work. It doesn't work at random, it has to be done when an economy is starting to slump.

But what you do you care, you decided first then looked up stuff to support it.


LOL! He posted an link to data supporting his assertion. You claim scads and data to support yours but provide none and criticize him? By your definition, you're the douche.
 
2005-12-10 11:36:06 AM
2005-12-10 10:59:01 AM johnnyrocket


$35k/yr and you live in the biggest house on the block!??! I envy you!


Ehh, I just live in a blue-collar working neighborhood, in a 60 year old house.

The nice thing is that I live a block from the city line, and houses in the next city over cost about 20-30% more than mine did.
 
2005-12-10 11:37:24 AM

2) Taxes should ot be cut until the budget is balanced either through tax increases or spending cuts. Running massive defecit spending while cutting taxes is fiscaly irresponsible.


We have a winner!

Roll back the Bush tax cuts. Every single one of them. I can squeeze a little bit and give back my $300. :)
 
2005-12-10 11:39:40 AM

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Come on, I'm sure he's a great debater, give him time to warm up.

He probably doesn't remember the Reagan years. I do. They're back.
 
2005-12-10 12:11:26 PM
2005-12-10 11:39:40 AM sod213

Can we say ad hominem?

"ad ho-mi-nem"

Good!

/doesn't agree with Mosey, either, but that's besides the point
 
2005-12-10 12:13:53 PM


http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/incxrace.html

Like father, like son. You'll notice that median incomes began to drop before the recession began, and continued to drop after it ended. It's an issue of a poor economy, certainly, but also of questionable tax policy and an inexcusable decade-long freeze on the minimum wage.

Trickle down works? That's news to me, and all of the conservative politicians who also stopped talking about it. No serious economist is a neoconservative, and those who backed Reaganomics were all really just starve-the-beasters. If you think you have evidence that proves most economists, who rarely agree on anything, wrong, then let's see it.
 
2005-12-10 12:16:41 PM
Mosey:

I heard on NPR you are a douche.

Actually there is oodles and oodles of data that says trickle down can work.


Douche? Trickle down?

Have you been reading Bill O'Reilly's fiction again? What a perv!
 
2005-12-10 01:55:08 PM
aurorous: There isn't a single democrat anywhere in congress who's actually outraged by the republican corruption scandals. They're just pissed that they aren't running the gravy train anymore.

Spoken like a true cool-aid drinker. Anyone who is actually paying attention knows that this GOP Congress is the most corrupt we've had since the Teapot Dome era.

Believe it or not, there is a difference between siphoning off taxpayer cash to your cronies and "wasting money" by fully funding VA hostpitals.
 
2005-12-10 01:58:52 PM
Isn't there already a tax break that's going to go into effect in January? It was part of the 2003 tax bill that was passed and still being phased in. From what I know, 97% of the benefits are going to be going to those with incomes over $200,000. Going by akulaalfa's chart, that's pretty much not most people.

But, hey, don't all congress people and senators make at least that much? Hmmmm. Gee. I wonder why they keep voting on these "tax reliefs"? I wonder which one will pass? Are they going to help the peons who probably don't read the news or listen to it because it's too complicated anyway, or themselves and their friends? Tough call.

Democrats are just trying to play putting up a fight, so when all of these tax bills comes to blow up (which it's already starting) they have a record of kind of protesting them. Republicans just don't care anymore. That's the difference between the two parties.
 
2005-12-10 02:16:37 PM
Brilliant, UberDave

Someone somewhere really needs to look into the economics of campaign donations and spending, and determine if it really favors people who will work for the good of the country. You can stand up and yell all you want how trickle down economics works, but I'd bet dollars to Betsy (??) that they're not basing their economic decisions on well-thought out analyses.
 
2005-12-10 03:36:40 PM
Mr.Insightful
But you don't think that if the deomocrats controlled the presidency, house, and senate, they wouldn't start to abuse their power too? They wouldn't start to become corrupt?

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I can trust a politician that much. I'd like to try to go back to where we were in the Cliton era... nicely split, so no party can really screw things up.
 
2005-12-10 05:34:04 PM
Mr.Insightful: Spoken like a true cool-aid drinker. Anyone who is actually paying attention knows that this GOP Congress is the most corrupt we've had since the Teapot Dome era.

It's certainly the most corrupt Congress since the previous Dem Congress.

/A pox on both their houses.
//You have an incredibly short memory if you think political corruption is higher than before.
 
2005-12-10 07:49:59 PM
When was the last time there was a concerted effort to help the middle classes and the poor? The Great Society, during the Johnson era, when the Democrats controlled everything.

Before that? The New Deal, from Depression-era up until the end of World War II, when--again--the Democrats controlled everything.
 
2005-12-10 09:24:19 PM
Call me short of memory, but I too believe the current congress is more venal than previous versions from the recent past.

I sympathize with the desire to tell oneself that things are always equally bad an that therefore there's really nothing to get upset about, but it's just not true. The current Republicans are more brazen, more irresponsible, and more unchecked than any dominant party has been for a long time.

(And the fiscal irresponsibility part probably owes a lot to the example of the White House.)

And this is just money issues were talking about, which is only part of the political agenda.
 
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