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(Some Guy)   Scientologists build huge circles in the desert, subterranean crypts holding stainless steel tablets of L Ron Hubbard's crazy writings encased in titanium   (bldgblog.blogspot.com) divider line 286
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2005-11-29 08:51:05 AM  
I saw we nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2005-11-29 08:52:40 AM  
Christianity isn't as bad as Scientology. Christianity doesn't *always* ask for money. They just bug you for it while you're in church.
 
2005-11-29 08:53:24 AM  
Sarah Buckley welcomes the Scientoligist large desert boobie overloards
 
2005-11-29 08:55:13 AM  
Well I could tell there was something going on here with the number of posts and all

The Burden of Proof argument is idiotic in this context. A complete denial of the existence of God (god, whatever) is as much of an assertion as those arguing for it. If you do need artificial constructs to assist your argument, try 'Balance of Probability'. Belief or lack thereof is a decision we make based on the information available to us, but, as any intelligent person from either side will tell you, there is no absolute proof either way. Don't mock the other side, since your assertion isn't based in concrete either, point out why your belief is the more likely one.

Take away the absolutes like this, and you'll see why those believing in mainstream religions have the right to attack scientology. Say what you like about them, but generally the mainstream religions are a lot more rational than ramblings of a science fiction author who basically told us it was a scam
 
2005-11-29 08:56:14 AM  
Looks like Tom Selleck to me.
 
2005-11-29 09:13:41 AM  
"I love how Atheists look down on religious types when you can't prove one way or another if God exists. Atheists take a just as indefensible position on the "God" question since they have no evidence at all ..."

This argument sounds like Neo-cons trying to rationalize WMD. Well it must be there, It's just well hidden! Maybe God/WMD was moved to Syria? Yeah Syria, see we were right...We believe even though there is no proof!

BURDEN. OF. PROOF.slash in the rear!/
 
2005-11-29 09:14:32 AM  
**Sigh**

Millions of years in the future after we're extinct, some aliens will come to Earth and find these tablets.

How awful that all they'll read about us will be in L. Ron Hubbard's terrible stories. No great philosophy, no great literature, just bad SciFi rambling.
 
2005-11-29 09:18:07 AM  
mmmm scientology, may it continue to put space-boobies everywhere it goes.

its a religion with books that have 'scientific' justification of racism, just check out the front part of "fundalmentals of thought" and it's comments on yellow and brown people.
 
2005-11-29 09:22:12 AM  
Someone's been reading Atlas Shrugged.
 
2005-11-29 09:23:25 AM  
Well, that should give some future archeologists something to laugh at.
 
2005-11-29 09:27:48 AM  
So many nuts, so few comets...
 
2005-11-29 09:28:28 AM  
yes scientology sounds crazy...

but so does a guy whose mom was a virgin, turned water to wine, fed 10,000 people with a couple of fish and some bread, walked on water, and rose from the dead.
 
2005-11-29 09:33:18 AM  
Just because one believes in God does not mean that one supports organized religion.

I don't have a problem if you're an atheist, but don't insinuate that believing in God means that someone is stupid. Atheism itself can become almost like a religion, if it serves a rigid belief system that pigeonholes others who do not agree with its tenets, (All religions/cults are equally corrupt, there can never be differences between them; Anyone who is not an atheist is a simpleton) which to me seems to be the way most atheists around here act. Albert Einstein believed in God. Did that make him an idiot?
 
2005-11-29 09:35:43 AM  
For those who might find it interesting, the AEC hired a team of scientists, achitects, psychologists and anthropologists to implement a real-life plan for marking the boundaries of a nuclear waste storage site in New Mexico for 10,000 years. It's actually pretty fascinating stuff. Suffice to say that a few shapes scratched in the dirt ain't gonna cut it. Check it out. It's at:

http://www.wipp.ws/library/PermanentMarkersImplementationPlan.pdf
 
2005-11-29 09:37:09 AM  
peepee mcpoop: yes scientology sounds crazy...

but so does a guy whose mom was a virgin, turned water to wine, fed 10,000 people with a couple of fish and some bread, walked on water, and rose from the dead.


And who wants us to have a ritual wherein we pretend to eat him. Oh, and you left off my favorite part - he's a demi-god (you know, born of a god and a human woman, like Hercules or Narcissus), but he's also a direct male descendant of David through his stepfather. Weird.
 
2005-11-29 09:40:24 AM  
Spaghettiows: Albert Einstein believed in God. Did that make him an idiot?

Albert Einstein was something like an agnostic Deist - he believed in a Divine Watchmaker, whose essential nature was ultimately unknowable.
 
2005-11-29 09:41:27 AM  
Spaghettiows

Perhaps there is something to what you are saying. I'm an atheist. I view people that believe in God the same way I view people that believe the Great Pumkin is going to come down and shower us with gifts on Halloween. It's natural isn't it?
Do you believe in ghosts? or vampires? What do you think of people that believe in trolls?
I'll bet you think they are idiots. I do.
 
2005-11-29 09:47:16 AM  
Stinky93
I'll bet you think they are idiots. I do.Do you believe in ghosts? or vampires? What do you think of people that believe in trolls?
I'll bet you think they are idiots. I do.



If you Fark you know that "trolls" are real!
 
2005-11-29 09:49:53 AM  
Bango Skank: The insanely complex engineering that is required to create a human being from a single solitary cell is all the proof you need my atheist freinds.

---

Sure, if you're a dimwit who can't comprehend biology in the context of billions of years.

/look paw, it's a horseless carriage!
 
2005-11-29 09:52:00 AM  
Spaghettiows: Atheism itself can become almost like a religion, if it serves a rigid belief system

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It's a "rigid belief system" in the same way that not believing in the boogeyman is a "rigid belief system."
 
2005-11-29 09:52:38 AM  


Please...not the evil trolls!!
 
2005-11-29 09:54:49 AM  
What do you think of people that believe in trolls?

Nice touch! I might have bit there had I not read your post twice.
 
2005-11-29 09:56:42 AM  
Judaism makes more sense than christianism.

Saying that the jews are christians is like saying that the christians are muslims.
 
2005-11-29 10:02:14 AM  
Mitch J: Say what you like about them, but generally the mainstream religions are a lot more rational than ramblings of a science fiction author who basically told us it was a scam

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I dunno...even though it's morally bankrupt, a calculated scam makes a lot more sense than an entire institution founded upon fairy tales.
 
2005-11-29 10:02:59 AM  
Yankees, you've just proved my point.
You can't accept others whose beliefs are different from your own. True, many who believe in God do the same, but you are no different from them.
 
2005-11-29 10:05:54 AM  
Stinky93
Please...not the evil trolls!!

Damn that is a hideous picture. God-woman and Rat-dog have the same missing teeth!
 
2005-11-29 10:09:38 AM  
Spaghettiows: Yankees, you've just proved my point.
You can't accept others whose beliefs are different from your own.


Not exactly - like many of us, he can't accept others who run so far with a belief without any evidence.
 
2005-11-29 10:11:59 AM  
Spaghettiows: You can't accept others whose beliefs are different from your own. True, many who believe in God do the same, but you are no different from them.

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Which post are you referring to? Actually it doesn't matter, because I never said I didn't accept any particular belief, you were just reacting in a knee-jerk manner.

I can accept or tolerate anyone who believes in anything. What I take issue with, however, is religious people thinking somehow that their beliefs deserve more respect than any other form of delusional fantasy. If you believe in the great man in the sky who dropped tablets with rules on them, and told some guy to put two of every animal on a boat before flooding the entire earth, then fine, go ahead. But don't laugh at or ridicule the guy with the invisible friend, or the adult who still believes in Santa Claus. That's hypocrisy. And don't ask for any special federal funding.
 
mfp
2005-11-29 10:15:49 AM  
Listen you guys, I work for an atheist, so I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me. You dont.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic.Dont make yourself sound like you do.
 
2005-11-29 10:20:00 AM  
Thus spake ElBarto79

How difficult would it be for someone to surreptitiously tunnel into this complex and replace their archive with Dr. Seuss books and Grateful Dead albums, oh and maybe a taylor rain porno or two.

..................

Seeing as they are out in the New Mexico mesa land in very rough terrain, it would likely be difficult, very difficult. god help you if you get lost. And they probably have security meant to keep out the random pillager and plunderer, no doubt there'll be a crack security squad waiting to ask you lots of questions.

I trust this is something you are looking forward to.
 
2005-11-29 10:26:13 AM  
The picture in the Andes there, the arrow wasnt to the threasure. It was an "insert wishful thinking this direction" sign.....
 
2005-11-29 10:29:05 AM  
I dunno...even though it's morally bankrupt, a calculated scam makes a lot more sense than an entire institution founded upon fairy tales.

Damn, what I meant to say was 'belief in mainstream religion'

But don't laugh at or ridicule the guy with the invisible friend, or the adult who still believes in Santa Claus

Oh come on! There are degrees of believability to be taken into account here. Normal Christians have a right to laugh at fundamentalists/creationists, and we all have a right to laugh at the followers of scientology

don't ask for any special federal funding.

fair enough
 
2005-11-29 10:37:19 AM  
Yankees Team Gynecologist: It's a "rigid belief system" in the same way that not believing in the boogeyman is a "rigid belief system."

I think what he means is that atheists, like deeply religious paople, claim to know what the deal is. In that way they are both equally arrogant. Agnosticism is the only beleif that is honest.

Tatsuma: Judaism makes more sense than christianism.

Well, I don't know about that. orthodox jews follow some pretty goofy rules that are in the Bible but really were only relevant in Biblical times. The curb your enthusiasm where the orthodox jew buried a plate comes to mind.
 
2005-11-29 10:44:35 AM  
How difficult would it be for someone to surreptitiously tunnel into this complex and replace their archive with Dr. Seuss books and Grateful Dead albums, oh and maybe a taylor rain porno or two.

Pat Robertson could pull it off.
 
2005-11-29 10:46:04 AM  
Thus spake mfp

...................

Listen you guys, I work for an atheist, so I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies. Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me. You dont.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you dont know about the topic.Dont make yourself sound like you do.

...............

What? and ruin everything that makes fark charming?
 
2005-11-29 10:46:42 AM  
You all should leave Tom and Katie alone.
 
2005-11-29 10:50:02 AM  
God = 1/0
 
2005-11-29 10:51:18 AM  
Sloth_DC: but he's also a direct male descendant of David through his stepfather. Weird.

Well, see they needed Joseph to tie his birth to the messianic prophecies that said the Messiah would be a descendant of the house of David. But like you said in a sorta, kinda, maybe, depends on how you look at it point of view, way thingee. See it works if you really really really wanna believe!
 
2005-11-29 10:56:31 AM  
Mugato: I think what he means is that atheists, like deeply religious paople, claim to know what the deal is. In that way they are both equally arrogant. Agnosticism is the only beleif that is honest.

Not that I wish to restart this argument, but Atheism includes the position of, "I don't know (or care) if there is a god." Agnosticism, in its original meaning, does not mean what you think it means - it denotes a belief in a god whose nature is unkowable.
 
2005-11-29 10:58:59 AM  
"Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet!"
 
2005-11-29 11:00:45 AM  


\obligatory
\\surprised it hasnt been posted yet
 
2005-11-29 11:01:25 AM  
Mugato: I think what he means is that atheists, like deeply religious paople, claim to know what the deal is. In that way they are both equally arrogant. Agnosticism is the only beleif that is honest.

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True, but he must also mean that those who firmly believe the boogeyman doesn't exist also claim to know what the deal is (regarding the boogeyman, at least) and are arrogant as well.
 
2005-11-29 11:01:36 AM  
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo

All religions are crap and all their followers are fools. No need to discriminate. People who can't accept their own mortality and who want to pull the covers over their heads and block out things they don't like about the world

Pffft. What a load of bollocks.

/throws more wood on the fire.
 
2005-11-29 11:02:29 AM  
I'm just looking for consistency, that's all.
 
2005-11-29 11:14:39 AM  
We are smart because our logic transcends yours and we have discovered that God doesn't exist.

/obligatory
 
2005-11-29 11:20:52 AM  
You realize, of course, that when Scientology takes over the world and the Priests of Elron demand all false believers be put to the sword, you atheists will be the first against the wall.

But don't worry, until then you can still pat yourselves on the back about your intellectual superiority.
 
2005-11-29 11:22:56 AM  
Mouser: You realize, of course, that when Scientology takes over the world and the Priests of Elron demand all false believers be put to the sword, you atheists will be the first against the wall.

Hell, no - we're too easy to demonize, and thus too useful. The followers of competing faiths (and psychologists) will get whacked first.
 
2005-11-29 11:49:17 AM  
I can't believe these assholes actually cut down Pinyon Pines for this crap. I really don't care if they bamboozle and rob and rook a whole lot of stupid gullible human twerps. I really don't. But sawing down Pinyon Pines for such minikin, drippy, idiotic reasons really pisses me off. Something really ought to be done about it.

Oh, BTW, if any of you ever visit the area, make sure to have dinner at the Legal Tender Saloon in Lamy, New Mexico. Pretty cool.
 
2005-11-29 12:20:09 PM  
Sloth_DC: Agnosticism, in its original meaning, does not mean what you think it means - it denotes a belief in a god whose nature is unkowable.

I've heard this before and I suppose there are differing definitions depending on what book you read but it's generally accepted that agnostic means that they don't know either way and atheism means they know there is no God. I've never met or heard of an atheist who was ever compromising when it came to even the possibility of a God. It's all just a matter of semantics anyway.
 
2005-11-29 12:22:29 PM  
T-Shirt Idea:

God Cleanses My Thetans!

Seriously, I would have no problem with Scientology if not for one thing: religion should be free.

As a Catholic, my religion is free. I get full access to my priest and can attend services at no charge. I can, if I choose, offer a donation to the church for any amount of my choosing. But that's my perogative.

Heck, Catholicism is big right now into the three T's - Talent, Treasure and Time. Their current thing is that if you can't afford to give the church monitary donations, offer up your time or your skills instead. It isn't all about the ca$h.

Scientology - on the other hand - forces you to pay money for their services. That's not a religion, that's a scam.
 
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