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(Wall Street Journal)   Scientists gain new insight into déjà vu, making them think they've seen the cure to cancer somewhere before   (online.wsj.com) divider line 67
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2005-11-28 12:45:55 PM
C'mon, submitter, you submitted this article yesterday.

Didn't you?
 
2005-11-28 12:46:33 PM
It's a glitch in the Matrix.
 
2005-11-28 12:46:41 PM
I too am oddly familiar with this article
 
2005-11-28 12:46:46 PM
awfulperson, haven't you complained about that before?
 
2005-11-28 12:51:32 PM
Next on "It's the mind":

Tonight on 'It's the Mind', we examine the phenomenon of dj vu. That strange feeling we sometimes get that we've lived through something before, that what is happening now has already happened.
 
2005-11-28 12:52:44 PM
hehehe. Nice headline.
 
2005-11-28 12:57:55 PM
I don't buy this article. I it so strong, and for so long once, that I was able to tell a passenger in my car that another car was about to pull out in front of us from a stop.

Usually when I have deja vu (happens once a year or so), it kinda stops me in my tracks for a few seconds. That time I spit it out about 2 seconds before it actually happened - I avoided an accident ;)
 
2005-11-28 12:59:01 PM
s/"I it so"/"I had it so"

apologies.

/didn't see that typo coming. har har.
 
2005-11-28 01:02:23 PM
YEARS ago, the same conclusion was drawn. Where have these people been?
 
2005-11-28 01:12:44 PM
Where's that stupid black cat when you need it? I swear I saw it earlier.
 
2005-11-28 01:13:08 PM
Where's that stupid black cat when you need it? I swear I saw it earlier.
 
2005-11-28 01:20:32 PM
My g/f was explaining her weird-o rare, mild form of epilepsy... apparently, somewhere in her brain as her synapses are firing along, something stops - the chain reaction breaks. She says when that happens, she gets a really strange deja vu sensation... go figure.
 
2005-11-28 02:16:36 PM
very clever, submitter.
 
2005-11-28 02:24:01 PM
Atvar just altered my reality.
 
2005-11-28 03:18:04 PM
I have reverse Deja vu all the time.

/let me know when you figure that out.
 
2005-11-28 03:23:15 PM

I think I've been here before?
 
2005-11-28 03:24:23 PM
I have reverse Deja vu all the time.

/let me know when you figure that out.


It's called Vuja de. It's the feeling that you've never experience something before. I feel it most of the time. I'm always doing new stuff, I guess... Either that or my memory is shot.
 
2005-11-28 03:24:30 PM
There was more than 3 ugly ones the last time I was at Deja Vu.
 
2005-11-28 03:27:06 PM
What if deja vu is something even weirder than we think. Like time or space itself has been drastically altered. When you go to sleep or black out it seems to be a short time because your mind connects the last thing it remembers to the current situation. Maybe it's just the way we perceive a change we couldn't possibly understand.
 
2005-11-28 03:29:02 PM
One time I hit my head and had deja vu and amnesia at the same time.

-Steven Wright
 
2005-11-28 03:29:04 PM
Some of the article makes sense, but like Rip, I've had long Deja Vu experiences to the point where I knew what was going to happen next. It wasn't just "oh, this is like something that happened to me before". By the time that kind of thought and feeling was processed, it was still going, and I knew what would happen in the next 5-10 seconds.

Sometimes it's just the brief recognition of familiarity though.
 
2005-11-28 03:30:28 PM
is more common among people who recall their dreams, who travel, and who hold liberal political and religious beliefs.

So, the article is saying that there is scientific proof that liberals are loony? Cool.
 
2005-11-28 03:31:51 PM
Ripside
I don't buy this article. I it so strong, and for so long once, that I was able to tell a passenger in my car that another car was about to pull out in front of us from a stop.

Wow I never heard of anyone getting deja vu where you can say what is going to happend before it happends before. Maybe you subconciously you noticed factors that the other car was going to pull out which triggered it in your concious mind.

I think things like this happend much more than people realize. They have a "hunch" but maybe they are subconciously noticing details about the situation. For example you pick up on things when someone is lying with out consciously noticing. Like things in there voice or they look nervous. Same is true with women who are interested in you, give you subconcious clues that they are attracted to you.
 
2005-11-28 03:33:12 PM
as you settled in for the predinner olives and celery

Or, it was a phrase spoken when a tablemate passed the creamed onions


What they hell are these people eating? Nasty.
 
2005-11-28 03:35:17 PM
In other news, scientists gain new insight into dj vu, making them think they've seen the cure to cancer somewhere before
 
2005-11-28 03:36:24 PM
Saw this in someone's sig somewhere (paraphrasing as I remember):

Deja Fu:
The feeling that somewhere, sometime, you've been kicked in the head like this before.
 
2005-11-28 03:36:39 PM
I frequently experience dijon vu.

That odd feeling that all of this has happen, with the exact same mustard.
 
2005-11-28 03:37:10 PM
I get deja vu all the time. I'm guessing the majority of my experiences are like the ones described in the article/study. The ones that keep me guessing, however, involve experiences where I was actually able to remember the moment in the past where I glimpsed the future event in sort of a daydream.

For example, I distinctly remarked one time as I was falling asleep on the school bus, that I just saw myself in a strange place talking to strange people. Years later, I had the moment of deja vu and "remembered" all those people and that place from my little bus daydream.
 
2005-11-28 03:38:20 PM
Interesting Deja Fu / Discworld on Wikipedia

Weird, I feel like I just posted something here moments ago.
 
2005-11-28 03:40:48 PM
This millisecond delay causing dejavu theory has been around for a long time. I've seen it before. And it is not dejavu.

It made sense then and it makes sense now.
 
2005-11-28 03:42:46 PM
You know, I'd say that I've had a considerable amount of these types of experiences in my lifetime. It must be hard to understand for those who haven't.

Anyways, I can relate to rodeofrog too. I've had experiences where not only was it familiar, but I actually could recall the event in which I envisioned the premonition of the familiar experience.

However, these experiences are so baffling and beyond understanding, I can't even recall the specifics of what the premonition was about. It's usually mundane things like someone saying a phrase at a certain place during a certain time, etc. Then, you know what they're going to say next, word for word.
 
2005-11-28 03:44:44 PM
That was a damn cool article.


/Where's that stupid black cat when you need it? I swear I saw it earlier.
 
2005-11-28 04:32:40 PM
C'mon, submitter, you submitted this article yesterday.

Didn't you?
 
2005-11-28 04:35:38 PM
C'mon, submittter, you submittted this article yesterday.

Diddn't you?
 
2005-11-28 04:49:31 PM
This has happened to me hundreds of times in my life. The oddest by far was when I took my visiting parents to a taping of Leno. At one point I became absolutely certain that I'd seen the program before. Not from the audience, but on TV. It made me quite uncomfortable.

Of course it is impossible that I would have seen this particular show before, as the guests were Wanda Sykes and Clay Aiken. Had it been on before, I most certainly would have changed the channel.
 
2005-11-28 04:57:31 PM
Deja vu...occurs mainly when people are indoors and engaged in something relaxing and among friends. So, chances are pretty good that more than a few of you felt a sense of deja vu yesterday, especially when you add the fact that it is more likely to occur when you are tired or under stress.

That's when I stopped reading.
 
2005-11-28 04:58:41 PM

Wanted for questioning.
 
2005-11-28 04:59:44 PM
hehehe. Nice headline.
 
2005-11-28 05:08:56 PM
Tonight on 'It's the Mind', we examine the phenomenon of deja vu. That strange feeling we sometimes get that we've lived through something before, that what is happening now has already happened.
 
2005-11-28 05:12:41 PM
When I have deja vu, it is never like how the article describes it. For me it is always that I feel like I have dreamt what is going to happen, and there is some cue that makes me feel that way. It isn't usually indoors, and not often in conversation with people.

Wikipedia wasn't too helpful with this. Does anyone know if there is a more specific name for this, and where I can read up on it?
 
2005-11-28 05:13:49 PM
rodeofrog
Are you sure your memory didn't find and link to that memory retroactively? Can you find evidence of that premonition from before it "came true", like a journal entry? I bet your mind only put those together after the deja vu.
 
2005-11-28 05:16:01 PM
Deja Vu occurs when the little demons that synthesize our reality fall behind schedule and recycle some old content to meet their deadline.

Obviously.
 
2005-11-28 05:19:14 PM
NeoKag

Exact same thing here. I awake from a dream with a memory of something I haven't experienced yet. I write it down and later on, maybe six months down the road that event happens. I don't understand it and I do not think myself special for it. Naysayers of Deja Vu are just plain wrong.

An odd thing happened when I was younger, in 1987 I had a dream of these children circled around a small white gaming device playing what looked like Mario flying around in a plane shooting bullets. Two years later Nintendo releases the gameboy and of course, Super Mario Land. Really creeped me out.

The fact that I have documented the memory before experiencing the Deja Vu is enough proof for me that there is something going on not yet being explained by science. Of course it will be, everything is explainable by science. until that day.
 
2005-11-28 05:24:32 PM
it's not vuja de, it's jamais vu
 
2005-11-28 05:25:52 PM
Corvus

Maybe, but at the time it was happening I wasn't in a state to notice many details about much of anything - it was almost trance-like, and stammering, trying my hardest to tell my passenger something that would indicate I knew what was going to happen, because I'd seen that 5-10 second period before. I hadn't seen it years, or even days before, I just knew a few seconds ahead of time what was going to happen, right down to their reaction to what I was about to say.

Precognition? I don't think so. I honestly wonder if its that space-time warping around the Earth (as seen in recent Fark threads) getting out of wack for a bit.

Next time you have deja view, try really hard to tell somebody what you're seeing, as its happening. Maybe, just maybe, you'll catch something really bizarre that nobody can explain.
 
2005-11-28 05:26:21 PM
I've had deja vu a few times before and it's always something that I had a dream about years ago. I remember most of my dreams, so I've got the extra little "record" of remembering that I was recalling a dream, which means the deja vu isn't simple delusion. Maybe I just got lucky and "guessed" the right future image in my dreams. If it doesn't help me win the lottery, I don't really give a fark about it.
 
2005-11-28 05:35:00 PM
No one pointed out:

"For reasons unknown, the incidence of deja vu decreases with age, rises with education and income, and is more common among people who recall their dreams, who travel, and who hold liberal political and religious beliefs"

At least these scientists agree that conservatives are largely uneducated and poorly travelled. But then, most people already know that.
 
2005-11-28 05:35:01 PM
I've never had a deja vu. I've had various bizarre motifs almost daily where something obscure will pop into my head early in the day and then that same obscure thing will be encountered two or three times later that day, either seeing it on TV or brought up in a conversation.

I wish I got deja vus though, they sound cool. Best I get are chills up my spine.
 
2005-11-28 05:54:16 PM
Ok... here's my wacky explanation since it definitely has happened to me often and I've been forced to quantify it for myself. I believe that every moment, every possible moment, has/will happen including every bifurcation, no matter how improbable from the start of the universe to the end. The levels of probability dictate how likely you are to experience one thing and not another. I'm not talking about parallel universes, I'm talking about one all encompasing universe. Having said that, I've shown myself to be basically crazy and since I'm crazy, I'll keep rambling... While I'm not an ID guy, I do believe in a mathematical order to this whole thing as evidenced by such things as luck, coincidences or even karma. I believe we have a partnering relationship with this reality in that we affect and effect it all the time with both actions and even thoughts. Since we are in an enclosed system, and thoughts are real things, I believe thoughts (or prayers even) can tip the an outcome in your favor, especially if its probability of happening is high. Since we have this role as both the authors and the actors of everything, we can sometimes transcend or rather short circuit the normal interpretation of time to produce that moment of deja vu where indeed sometimes one can predict the most probable actions for a few moments. I believe that as we get older, we get more set in our ways (survival instinct?) and define reality as we see fit which is why I found it interesting that children experience it more. Indeed, I remember having many more odd deja vu experiences as a child that I swear are probably dreams. OK. I think I'll stop.....now.

/end rambling.
//Try getting that out of a wingnut!
///Dang! I'm in a red state (for now).
 
2005-11-28 05:54:22 PM
But time flows like a river, and history repeats.

/secret of mana
 
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