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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Utah trio want the right to walk hand-in-hand-in-hand down the aisle   (sltrib.com ) divider line
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2005-11-27 01:52:13 PM  
Next up, I marry my golden retriever.

//no, no I'm only kidding, don't flame me - aiiieeee!!
 
2005-11-27 01:55:40 PM  
The octopus couple walked arm in arm....in arm in arm in arm.....

--horribly misquoted from Irreconcilable Differences

Seriously, who cares if three people marry each other?
 
2005-11-27 01:56:34 PM  
This is seriously going to destroy the Sanctity of Marriage! If we allow polygamists to marry, then just think what'll happen next. Next will be the queers and then people will start marrying their dogs and cats! Next thing you know the queers want to adopt kids. Won't be long till you see little queers running around everywhere raping our pious children. That's what was happening in Afghanistan and Iraq before we gave them a taste of our freedom. Will somebody PLEASE think of the children!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-11-27 02:07:54 PM  
Next up, I marry my golden retriever.

Go to India, where you can do that, then come home and make your state recognize the marriage.
 
2005-11-27 02:41:44 PM  
keep me updated. it's easier to become mormon than get a million dollars.

/two at the same time.
 
2005-11-27 03:04:10 PM  
Glass parking lot!

/yes, I'm in the right thread
 
2005-11-27 03:04:22 PM  
I work for Utah.

I'm getting a kick out of...

/nevermind
 
2005-11-27 03:04:56 PM  
I really don't see the point in polygamy, but I see no reason as to why it is illegal.
 
2005-11-27 03:05:17 PM  
This would be a lot more spiffy if the three involved weren't 45+ y/o religious fundies
 
2005-11-27 03:05:35 PM  
As long as two of those three aren't men by golly!
 
2005-11-27 03:06:12 PM  
Every time those of us against gay marriage state that it is going to lead to polygamy and any and all other sorts of marriage are consistently ridiculed for such preditiions. However, there is no question that we are correct. The depths to which humanity can sink knows no limits. The abandonment of the idea that there is any true eternal morality in the world will always lead to more and more depravity in the world.
 
2005-11-27 03:06:48 PM  
If this gets quashed, it won't be because it's not heterosexual monogamy, it'll be because it's a request based on religious beliefs.

theoneontheleft: it's easier to become mormon than get a million dollars.

People are frequently converted post-mortem. Without their living consent even. How's that for easy?
 
2005-11-27 03:07:11 PM  
FreddyCalhoun:

This would be a lot more spiffy if the three involved weren't 45+ y/o religious fundies

I purposely didn't RTFA so that I could picture three 18 year old female college roommates that got to know each other really well this semester during a pillow fight and exchanged vows soon after.

Thanks a lot :(
 
2005-11-27 03:07:27 PM  
And so it begins.
 
2005-11-27 03:07:55 PM  
Viagra tag!
 
2005-11-27 03:08:08 PM  
The difference between this and all of the bullshiat "slippery slope" arguments is quite clear people.

I don't have a problem in the world with ANY kind of marriage, as long as ALL parties involved are consenting human adults. After all, only consenting human adults have the right to enter into a legal contract, which is ALL marriage is.
 
2005-11-27 03:09:18 PM  
No man can serve two masters.
-Mark Twain
 
2005-11-27 03:09:44 PM  
BiffDangler: The abandonment of the idea that there is any true eternal morality in the world will always lead to more and more depravity in the world.

Oh, we believe in that. We just happen to think that your morality isn't it.
 
2005-11-27 03:10:22 PM  
This makes Mormons look stupid, and embarrasses the state of Utah.

Everybody wins.
 
2005-11-27 03:11:17 PM  
Every time those of us against gay marriage state that it is going to lead to polygamy and any and all other sorts of marriage are consistently ridiculed for such preditiions. However, there is no question that we are correct. The depths to which humanity can sink knows no limits. The abandonment of the idea that there is any true eternal morality in the world will always lead to more and more depravity in the world.

Ya know, if you had told me this last night, I wouldn't have let you suck my cock.
 
2005-11-27 03:11:39 PM  
I live in a small town in Maryland just outside of DC and Baltimore and it's full of swingers. I though that whole thing went out with the rise of STD's, specifially AIDS, but apparently not. There are two bars that these folks hang out at to pick eachother up and whatever else, and it's really strange. If it's going on in this small town, it must be huge in the cities...
 
2005-11-27 03:11:39 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception

What if the consenting adults are brother and sister? That's ok for you too? I mean as long as they're adults it's none of our business what kind of horrible genetic deformities their kids have, right?
 
2005-11-27 03:11:49 PM  
It was only a matter of time.

Just a lot sooner than I anticipated though.
 
2005-11-27 03:12:04 PM  
Rick Santorum was right!
 
2005-11-27 03:12:45 PM  
swahnhennessy No man can serve two masters.
-Mark Twain


Good thing he didn't mention anything about mistresses.
 
2005-11-27 03:13:22 PM  
Anyone that wants more than one spouse is a farking masochist.

/Obligatory
//And so are theses slashes.
 
2005-11-27 03:13:59 PM  
Too many unabashed libertarians around here. Let's test your critical thinking (hopefully it hasn't wasted away after all your glorification of freedom):

Can any of you provide the reasons why the state would have an interest in protecting monogamous marriage? What dangerous pathologies might be hidden by polygamous behavior? How about this: why do we have any laws that restrict personal freedom?

Now, please reject all of these arguments in favor of the benefits of choice to these individuals.
 
2005-11-27 03:14:08 PM  
Wasn't there recently an article about Massachussete's (sp) state legislatures writing up a bill that, among other things, lowered the penalty for zoophilia? If that doesn't help back up BiffDangler, I don't know what does.
 
2005-11-27 03:14:10 PM  
Divorcing is a biatch, though.
 
2005-11-27 03:14:39 PM  
gabba2, what do you think ULTRA*FARK is all about?
 
2005-11-27 03:15:29 PM  
I wonder how many people who are opposed to this couldn't tell you where Utah is on a map...
 
2005-11-27 03:15:35 PM  
Who cares, just do the evangelical thing, get married then bang your mistress.
 
2005-11-27 03:15:37 PM  
2005-11-27 03:04:56 PM outback_rebel

I really don't see the point in polygamy, but I see no reason as to why it is illegal.

It's banned so we can keep open the sexual, marriage and reproductive markets to young men-- otherwise they would leave the community or be dangerously unoccupied.

Maintaining numerous wives (for cultural and perhaps biological reasons it's mostly men interested in having numerous partners) requires you to either have a lot of income, mostly the province of older men, or to go on welfare and be a drain on society. Neither of these trends are encouraged. Perhaps societies could tolerate this 3000 years ago when life expectancy wasn't that long anyway, women needed to be kept pregnant as much as possible so that enough kids would be born to sustain the tribe, and the relatively wealthy men, even if older, would be able to provide support as well as work for their children.

To see the effect of polygamy on young men, just look at the treatment of male children in polygamous communities- they are often outcasts and in some Utah underground communities they have been dropped off to fend for themselves, abandoned by their "families."
 
2005-11-27 03:16:18 PM  
Would the third person be a hermaphrodite since two women and two men cannot marry?
 
2005-11-27 03:16:58 PM  
useless without pictures!
 
2005-11-27 03:18:01 PM  
It's banned so we can keep open the sexual, marriage and reproductive markets to young men-- otherwise they would leave the community or be dangerously unoccupied.

Hey! They have the Navy!
 
2005-11-27 03:18:22 PM  
Gay marriage affects nobody else but the two making the union.

Polygamy, however, is nearly in all cases is a front for incest, welfare fraud and spouse/child abuse. It should remain illegal.
 
2005-11-27 03:18:39 PM  
Your dog wants a harem.
 
2005-11-27 03:18:50 PM  
Her and me an her and she and me
An uncrowded couple are we three
Hey we don't care what people say
When walking hand in hand down Kings Highway
Two for one today
 
2005-11-27 03:18:58 PM  
hugechav:

Can any of you provide the reasons why the state would have an interest in protecting monogamous marriage? What dangerous pathologies might be hidden by polygamous behavior? How about this: why do we have any laws that restrict personal freedom?

Why don't you tell us, since you seem to have all the answers.
 
2005-11-27 03:19:38 PM  
Slippery slope! Slippery slope! Good lord, didn't some guy in Vermont just marry a tree? I can feel my marriage crumbling!

Seriously though, I REALLY don't care if people want to do this. However, it seems like an untennable arrangement in my opinion. A two person marriage is, at times, difficult enough to manage, seems like a three-way would be exponentially worse.
 
2005-11-27 03:19:46 PM  
Gay Marriage Does Not A Polygamist Make

An interesting Savage Love column for those people (well, only really one person so far) claiming this is because of gay marriage.

Personally, I couldn't care less if these three are allowed to marry. I am married to my one husband, and have no desire to marry another, and would never allow him to have another wife. However, these three people marrying is not going to make me love my husband less, or make me want to be a polygamist any more, so what's everyone's guff with it?

There is absolutely no reason for multiple people to be banned from marrying, or brother and sister for that matter, as long as they love each other and want to devote their lives to each other, then feel free. It doesn't hurt me any. Only a weak minded simpleton's values are affected by the thoughts and actions of others.

/As for the brother and sister marriage thing, I got no guff there, even though I think it's gross. But if they try to have biological children together they should be locked up for attempted child abuse or some shiat like that.
 
2005-11-27 03:19:52 PM  
moops:

Polygamy, however, is nearly in all cases is a front for incest, welfare fraud and spouse/child abuse.

If you say so.
 
2005-11-27 03:20:25 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception:
as long as ALL parties involved are consenting human adults.

So, when is someone an "adult?" Do you have to be physically able to have children (12), legally able to work and pay taxes (14), drive the limo (16), vote (18), purchase the champagne (21) or become president of the country (35)?

..and consenting? Oh dear...
 
2005-11-27 03:21:32 PM  
STANWYK!
 
2005-11-27 03:22:15 PM  
All power to them, I say. We should be more like the injuns....polygamy and easy divorce.
 
2005-11-27 03:22:31 PM  
le mew: Seriously, who cares if three people marry each other?

Well the INS would have to rewrite the rule book... then there's the tax code that needs changing... inheritance issues... healthcare decision questions... so on and so forth.

The current legal/contractual system is set up so that marriage only works as a two-person arrangement. Adding more people screws it up.


BiffDangler: Every time those of us against gay marriage state that it is going to lead to polygamy and any and all other sorts of marriage are consistently ridiculed for such preditiions.

Once you figure out we can treat a three-person marriage the same as a two-person marriage; so that they receive the same legal benefits, whilst not receiving extra benefits, then we'll talk.
 
2005-11-27 03:23:52 PM  
From someone who is a Utahrd living in a town founded by polygamists, and is not a polygamist but knows many polygamists: Meh. It is the women who make the choice here. Yes, there are other towns in the news where "Elders" make the choice who marries whom, and I'm steadfastly against that practice, but if consenting adults want this kind of marriage between themselves, so what? The rest of us might want to just STFU and let 'em have at it. If they're happy with the arrangement, who's damaged? Me? Na. You? Na. Someone point out to me how you are damaged by polygamist marriage between consenting adults, and I'll STFU meself.
 
2005-11-27 03:24:19 PM  
Immaculate_Misconception: After all, only consenting human adults have the right to enter into a legal contract, which is ALL marriage is.

Well, here it comes...

Gay marriage, polygamy (all three forms, polyandry and polygyny and group marriage), so...

Would someone tell me what law should exist against a father/daughter union? Ok... inbreeding... what if there are no plans to have kids... or better yet, adopt? What is the reason to oppose this relationship...

Or... Mother-son-SON union?

Or Brother-sister-brother?

Once you remove the exclusivity of of hetero, two person marriage, anything goes...

/Someone please cue REM's 'End of the World...'
 
2005-11-27 03:24:36 PM  

"And, until 1993, anyone who had syphilis, gonorrhea or HIV could not make that walk down the aisle. "


Like anyone with syphilis could see their way down the aisle to begin with.


And I, for one, am happy that back in 1990, I did not try to get married in Utah.

/Will not say wich STD I had/have.

 
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