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2005-11-27 03:25:41 PM  
Downstairs:
All kids know how to do, relative to normal society- and especially relative to what domesticated dogs understand- is "harass".

That's where parents step in.

Kids don't understand the complexities of socialization. They're simple. They harass, and they sleep. That's about it.


Dogs, on the other hand, are such complex and noble beings who would never act savagely. A dog will resort to attacking his opponent only when rational argument and civilized debate cease. These pathetic human-grubs should be regretful for attacking such an enlightened being.
 
2005-11-27 03:30:23 PM  
Yeah you will all protect your little brats we get the point..


But did you miss where it said the kids were in the house???

There was no one in the back yard to attack until the asshat came back out with a gun

Shoot my dog and I'll poision your precious little brats that have the unenviable task of keeping your genes alive

farkers
 
2005-11-27 03:31:14 PM  
I was recently bitten by a new neighbors dog while on my property. It is not an experience I recommend. I am not a violent person, but I would kill that dog if I had the chance. I should not have to live in fear of the stupid thing getting loose again.

Dog owners are being naive if they think other are going to 'understand' their pet. I can't even understand my neighbor
much less his dog.

\ex bio major
\\understand what I can dissect
\\slash slash indeed
 
2005-11-27 03:31:23 PM  
threetoehoek: A: the dog bit no one

As an animal lover (wildlife rehabber) and father...

I'm not waiting for someone to get bit before I take action. Animal control can take *hours* to respond (I have seen it take days)

b: the owner didnt intend for the dog to get out in the first place..it was an accident

That doesn't matter one bit in this situation.

c: everyone was safe until the guy with the gun came back out and decided he couldnt wait till deer season to have some fun

Safe, yes. Trapped in their homes, yes. Do you know the disposition of the dog in question. Were there other children playing in the area. I don't know, neither you do.

c: everyone was safe until the guy with the gun came back out and decided he couldnt wait till deer season to have some fun

Pure speculation on your part.

d: most of you children are retarded little pricks who deserve to get bit

Now we agree
 
2005-11-27 03:31:24 PM  
Aiming for the head and missed, I say.
 
2005-11-27 03:36:35 PM  
Doggy got a bullet, but it only hit his leg
While he should've been a better shot and got him in the head


My favorite is all of the people whining "oh the dog is just playing, that's the way he plays."

Yeah? While maybe playing catch with lead shot is the way he plays with dogs!

/it's the only way
 
2005-11-27 03:36:51 PM  
The more I think about it, the more everything is pissing me off.

Do these kids not know better? (maybe these kids were innocent, but I doubt it)

I knew how to treat strange dogs when I was 5. Maybe it comes from growing up on the farm, but we were expected to know how to deal with things and learn. Sure someone got bit occasionally, but they learned! Hell, I would rather be bitten by a dog than a horse any day!

Meh, kids today. Coddled and treated like toddlers until they are old enough to drive.. then expected to know the world in 10 days.

/Get off my lawn you damned kids!
//"come home when the street lights come on" meant you were on your own.
 
2005-11-27 03:37:03 PM  
threetoehoek: A: the dog bit no one

Thanks to the quick thinking of this take-charge gun owner, yes.

b: the owner didnt intend for the dog to get out in the first place..it was an accident

A dog's owner is 100% responsible for the dog's safety, restraint, training and actions. When a toddler falls into a swimming pool, do you buy it when the parent says "it was an accident, i didn't intend for the child to drown. not my fault" ?

c: everyone no one was safe until the guy with the gun came back out and decided he couldnt wait till deer season to have some fun to make the neighborhood safe from an immediate, uncontained threat

Fixed that one for ya'

d: most of you children are retarded little pricks who deserve to get bit

most of you dogspoilers are allergen-ridden turd stompers who deserve to get sued
 
2005-11-27 03:39:00 PM  
Safe, yes. Trapped in their homes, yes. Do you know the disposition of the dog in question. Were there other children playing in the area. I don't know, neither you do

c: everyone was safe until the guy with the gun came back out and decided he couldnt wait till deer season to have some fun

Pure speculation on your part.



Well if the dog had to dig to get in to the yard in the first place it would make sense that it had to dig to get out even though that may not be the case..

and

the kids were in the house ..and the father was in the house too until he got his gun and decided to come out...call the cops, call animal control..dont shoot a dog who has bit no one..
 
2005-11-27 03:40:26 PM  
Thanks to the quick thinking of this take-charge gun owner, yes.



yeah hes a farking saint..
 
2005-11-27 03:41:43 PM  
I would really like to meet some of you people in real life just to see what kind of asshole spews shiat like some of you do..
 
2005-11-27 03:43:34 PM  
Mija: Dogs eat, shiat and bite. Act accordingly.

I think you've just identified the moral of the flamewar. Bravo.
 
2005-11-27 03:50:01 PM  
threetoehoek:

the kids were in the house ..and the father was in the house too until he got his gun and decided to come out...call the cops, call animal control..dont shoot a dog who has bit no one..


You know... I am stepping off this one.

A predator is a predator is a predator. Sometimes a scolding is enough to turn them away, sometimes they will still come at you with a shank full of buckshot.

Without video of the incident, I am in no better place to pass judgement (not that it matters on teh interwebs eh?) than anyone else here.

I can tell you that were I in the same situation, well, I have access to supplies you don't (dart sedatives). If I put myself in this mans situation, I see scared children (possibly screaming and making it hard to think, who knows), a threatening (apparently) animal, and a solution at hand.

I don't know how the average person judges the demeanor or the dog. I know how I do.

Summary, In my opinion only:

His actions were warranted. He had choices and chose a quick solution. He *could* have waited for police or animal control, but did not. Without being there I can't tell you if he made the right call or not. I can see times it would be the right call, and times it would not. It takes time to dig under a fence. An attentive owner should have seen the hole, or at least the digging behavior, and acted accordingly before this even became an incident.

Kudos to him regardless for not outright killing the dog, and making the right calls ASAP to get medical attention for it. (whether that was just a by-product of police involvement is unknown) The owner still has a probably beloved pet, and he still has his kids, and the dog will probably stay well away. It will almost definitely listen to a warning shot next time. (or it could have the opposite effect)
 
2005-11-27 03:50:51 PM  
For those of you who claim a dog won't attack a kid unless it was being taunted, I beg to differ.

When I was 5 or 6 and my sister, Kim and her friend Laurel were 8 or 9, we cut across an open field (now long since developed with some houses) rather than use a sidewalk as a shortcut home. Next thing we know, we here a barking noise. I managed to make it back to the park fence and start climbing over (I was a straggler) and Laurel, who was the tallest, managed to run to safety, but I'll never forget seeing that damn dog take a bite out of my sister's leg as she was running away from him. Turns out the pooch had nipped at someone before but my sister got it so bad that she needed surgery which she stills bears the scar for (she's now 39). The dog was eventually put down.

Dogs can be just as farked-up and violent as we humans.
 
2005-11-27 03:51:16 PM  
Why did he fire warning shots?
 
2005-11-27 03:53:25 PM  
Yeah if this dog was so threatening then why step BACK outside, gun or no gun...


makes no sense


OH BUT HE WAS PROTECTING HIS CHILDREN!!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!


OH BUT HE WASNT!

/bipolar
//jk
 
2005-11-27 03:54:42 PM  
wslush: Why did he fire warning shots?


I would assume that he most likely did not want to kill the dog. Almost definitely if his kids were watching.

One of my most traumatic childhood memories was my grandfather blowing a feral dog that had killed several chickens and bit my grandmother into a FRM when it refused to back down after he fired a warning shot. I was 7 and I can still remember it like it was yesterday.
 
2005-11-27 03:55:47 PM  
p marvel


teach you to cut across a field...


/sarcasm
 
2005-11-27 03:59:06 PM  
Shadow Blasko:

One of my most traumatic childhood memories was my grandfather blowing a feral dog that had killed several chickens and bit my grandmother into a FRM when it refused to back down after he fired a warning shot.


Improperly parsing that statment is humorous, and I wrote it poorly.

One of my most traumatic childhood memories was of watching my grandfather use both barrels to turn a feral dog into an FRM after the dog had killed several of our chickens and bit my grandmother.

Usually a warning shot will scare away *most* predators. Ignoring the warning shot is usually a good sign that you NEED to take immediate action.
 
2005-11-27 04:02:07 PM  
"To his dog, every man is Napoleon; hence the constant popularity of dogs."

-Aldous Huxley
 
2005-11-27 04:02:16 PM  
For the assholes who say dogs never attack unprovoked:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/brf_woman_mauled


Do you think this old lady was poking these damn dogs in the face with a farking stick? I highly doubt it.


Pricks.
 
2005-11-27 04:03:06 PM  
So my neigbor's non-trained dog invades my yard, attacks my kids, and comes after me. I'm supposed to tremble in the house till its dipshiat owner comes to retreive it, and wonder if next time it will maul or kill one of my kids?

fark that. I'd shoot the farker in the head. I don't care if it was a farking chiuaua...and I'd call the owner to get the mangy corpse off my property.

You dog owners can biatch all you want. I don't give a fark. If a dog comes after me on my property, its farking DEAD.
I hate killing, but I will do it if I have to.

If you have a dog, train it not to be a shiathead. I'll pat him on the head and lead him home if he stops by.

If you have a dog that goes after people, keep it locked the fark up, or I'll farking kill it.

Is that so hard?
 
2005-11-27 04:05:20 PM  
threetoehoek

OH BUT HE WASNT [protecting children]!


Sure, as long has his kids stayed locked inside the house forever.

And there were no other kids in the neighborhood.
 
2005-11-27 04:06:22 PM  
I only killed one dog in my life. We lived out in the country and my grandmother came out to visit. My brother and I heard honking so we went outside to see what was going on. My grandmother was in her car with a large black dog growling at her door. The hair on his back was bristled up looking like he was waiting for his prey to exit. She had tried to get out and the dog rushed her so she closed herself inside the car. When the dog saw the two of us he turned and headed down the driveway. My brother went to get my grandmother and I went to get the rifle. I ran out to the road, and killed the dog with clean shot to the head.

I knew the threat had ended. And the dog was never a threat to me directly but I'll be damned if I'm going to let a dog like that roam the area. Oh sure I could have called the Sheriff's Dept. And a few hours later have someone show up, fill out a report and have nothing done until the animal actually hurt or killed someone.

If this dog was threatening this guy's children I'm dissapointed that it is still alive. It may not be the dog's fault and most likely it's the owner's fault but there is no point in keeping a dangerous animal around.
 
2005-11-27 04:09:13 PM  
Your dog on my property = dead. Learn to be a better pet owner next time.
 
2005-11-27 04:14:46 PM  
So my neigbor's non-trained dog invades my yard, attacks my kids, and comes after me. I'm supposed to tremble in the house till its dipshiat owner comes to retreive it, and wonder if next time it will maul or kill one of my kids?


what part of the dog attacked no one do you not understand?

and "invades"??? cmon this isnt Iraq and you arent a soilder

Yeah youre too big of a man to sit for 15 mins in your house until the cops get there...youre a big man and I'm horribly impressed.


Shooting a dog that has bit no one and at least at the immediate time is a threat to no one (remember they were all in the house) is idiotic. Now if you want to make up for being a shiatty father thinking that youre protecting your kids when they arent in danger (with a gun) is the wrong way to go about it.
 
2005-11-27 04:16:56 PM  
mr blond mang


your kids on my property

I'll tell them the pedo across the street has some candy for them, then you will have something to worry about. Not just some dog getting its jollies running around in your yard.


Who knew people were so afraid of dogs?
 
2005-11-27 04:18:07 PM  
Big lot of pansies..


"OH let me get my gun to shoot the puppy trying to play"

nutless wonders
 
2005-11-27 04:20:43 PM  
speaking of pansies


G/f got a dog and wanted to name it after a flower and I (jokingly) suggested pansy...yeah she liked it and kept it...



3 years later on vacation..dog gets loose in New Orleans while we were there on vacation...try driving around the N.O. slums asking yelling "PANSY" and asking every person , mostly black if they had seen a little black dog named pansy...not a fun moment..
 
2005-11-27 04:22:21 PM  
dog apologists, a new low.

Dogs can run a gamut of personalities but there are plenty of dipshiat ones that will bite for no reason, for every cuddly good-natured one.

Why gamble? Shoot the farkin thing.
 
2005-11-27 04:24:26 PM  
keep it simple shoot shovel shut up sss
 
2005-11-27 04:26:46 PM  
One in the heart one in the head, that's the way you do it. None of this in the leg nonsense.
 
2005-11-27 04:28:44 PM  
What I'd really like to do is shoot my neighbour's dogs. There's three of them (medium to big) in a tiny concrete yard and they never get walked. Needless to say, they have a *lot* of pent-up energy which they expend by barking and barking and barking and charging the fence and rearing up and snarling and barking and barking and barking and barking and barking.

My compost is right next to the fence between them and me. My cat once went out to take a shiat in it and the dogs just went WILD. BARKBARKBARKBARKBARKsnnnnarrrllllllBARKBARKBARKBARK! A lot of cats would have freaked out and run away, but Boo, calm as anything, turned her back to the dogs, backed right up against the fence, and did her duty. She didn't bother burying it, either, but left this steaming little turd right in front of the dogs' noses.

Sometimes, I'm really tempted to repeat the sentiment. Preferably on the neighbour's porch.
 
2005-11-27 04:28:49 PM  
Shooting dogs is fun, you don't have to have a reason!
 
2005-11-27 04:29:24 PM  
Sky_Pilot:

One in the heart one in the head, that's the way you do it. None of this in the leg nonsense.


2 in the heart. If you have a bite victim, don't destroy the brain of the offending animal. Even though rabies is amazingly rare, it is not treated as such.
 
2005-11-27 04:30:11 PM  
This is the chainsaw vs. fence thread all over again...
 
2005-11-27 04:30:45 PM  
threetoehoek:

Big lot of pansies..

"OH let me get my gun to shoot the puppy trying to play"

nutless wonders



I know someone who *is* nutless because of a "puppy" that wanted to play.

Now you are just trolling.
 
2005-11-27 04:33:16 PM  
Not trolling at all ..I'm just not going to support shooting a dog when no one is in harms way which was the case here.


Oh, it on MY property!! lol
 
2005-11-27 04:36:53 PM  
threetoehoek:

Not trolling at all ..I'm just not going to support shooting a dog when no one is in harms way which was the case here.


You DONT KNOW THAT DAMNIT.

Was the shooters wife expected home soon? Was the dog barking and growling or just lurking and waiting for the kids to come back out and play. Were the kids next door playing?

Stop assuming you know the details and telling us how bad this man is. He may have made the least humane of two possible good calls, but he made one of the right calls.

He may have been right, he may have been wrong, but either way he was within his rights and within reason.
 
2005-11-27 04:38:24 PM  
sdjordan: "I'm looking for the man that shot my paw"

That's some comedy gold sdjordan.

qreply: Oh sure I could have called the Sheriff's Dept. And a few hours later have someone show up, fill out a report and have nothing done until the animal actually hurt or killed someone.

People who own guns tend to be more independent and self-reliant. There's no need to call a cop when a stern talking to or two barrels of rocksalt will do.

This scares the shiat out of people with no willpower who can't/won't take responsibility for anything. For them, it's the gubmint's job to do everything for everyone. How dare someone do something like this of his own volition? We didn't even have an association meeting to discuss it first!

I will give threetoehoek some credit though. It takes some serious balls to drive through NOLA slums hollaring "PANSY" out the car window. The people there are armed with more than .22 cal and usually don't fire two warning shots first.
 
2005-11-27 04:41:20 PM  
If your friendly dog ends up on my property, I'll gladly give it a ride to the humane society. I'll even be kind enough to leave you a note or phone message letting you know where to find the dog and how much your stupidity is going to cost you.

If your vicious dog ends up on my property, I'll gladly put a bullet in it's head without hesitation. Keep in mind that I am under no obligation to inform you, but you might want to check the dumpster for Fido's carcass.

/dog groomer and trainer
//don't even THINK about calling me a dog hater
///selective breeding + culling of vicious animals = domestication
////mmmm slashies
 
2005-11-27 04:41:32 PM  
You DONT KNOW THAT DAMNIT.

Was the shooters wife expected home soon? Was the dog barking and growling or just lurking and waiting for the kids to come back out and play. Were the kids next door playing?


YES I DO

A: the dog dug under a fence to get in...probably in the fence at a time? make sense einstein?

B:why would the kids be in danger was the dad going to let them back out?
 
2005-11-27 04:42:07 PM  
I agree with Bakatare...about sdjordan's comment being comedy gold. I literally laughed out loud.
 
2005-11-27 04:43:01 PM  
Damn, I'm sure glad almost everybody here has the legal right to own a gun. Preferably a big one!
 
2005-11-27 04:45:34 PM  
People who own guns tend to be more independent and self-reliant. There's no need to call a cop when a stern talking to or two barrels of rocksalt will do.

This scares the shiat out of people with no willpower who can't/won't take responsibility for anything. For them, it's the gubmint's job to do everything for everyone. How dare someone do something like this of his own volition? We didn't even have an association meeting to discuss it first!



Yeha !

people without guns = people with no will power
people without guns = wont take responsibility
people without guns = its the guberments responsibility
people without guns = HOA meetings

youre farking brilliant

is this 2nd grade special ed??
 
2005-11-27 04:45:40 PM  
threetoehoek:

YES I DO

A: the dog dug under a fence to get in...probably in the fence at a time? make sense einstein?

B:why would the kids be in danger was the dad going to let them back out?



Nevermind, you can't even read... let alone sustain a decent debate.
 
2005-11-27 04:46:49 PM  
|quote|Yeah youre too big of a man to sit for 15 mins in your house until the cops get there...youre a big man and I'm horribly impressed.|/quote|

You can scoff. You can titter. You can sarcasticly express your disgust. You can make tiny penis gun owner jokes, redneck jokes, terrified subarbanite jokes, whatever you like...but if your beloved Fluffy is snarling at me in my yard, you'll be collecting him in a garbage bag.

Maybe he's playing, and maybe I will be able to tell that he's playing. If I don't think he's playing, he's dead.

Deal with it.
 
2005-11-27 04:54:06 PM  
I think alot of you are being too harsh on the dog's owner. For those of you that have dogs, how many of you have had your dog get loose or run away? I'm sure you'd love for fluffy to come back home with a bullet in his head. Shiat happens, dogs get loose. If the dog was in my yard, I would have to guage it's intentions before acting. If it was just playing with the kids,which it very likely may have been, all that would have been necessary is to drag it back to its owners house. I don't see why so many of you feel the desire to kill someone else's pet, regardless of how good of an owner they are. If the dog was agressive, then by all means shoot it, that's what I'd do. Except I don't have a gun, so i'd have to give it a good baseball batting.
 
2005-11-27 05:02:10 PM  
Russ


nothing amazing about you other than your contempt for life, probably your own.

my dog wont be in your yard and you wont be in mine..so no need to worry and sorry to spoil your fun but you wont get a chance to shoot my "fluffy" faggot

deal with it
 
2005-11-27 05:07:14 PM  
threetoehoek: Yeha !

people without guns = people with no will power
people without guns = wont take responsibility
people without guns = its the guberments responsibility
people without guns = HOA meetings


You're only reading what you want to see, not what people are actually posting. Remedial reading comprehension classes are probably available near you, look into it.

I was addressing the posts that insisted that [cops/animal control/betty crocker/anyone] be called first.

Gun guy obviously felt there was an immediate danger. Until we see pictures and/or video that's all there is to it.

I will reiterate what Mija said earlier: "Dogs eat, shiat and bite. Act accordingly."
 
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