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2005-11-20 12:29:22 PM
This is ripped off (I don't know where from) but it's hilarious..
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If only women conveyed their true intentions in their W4M personal titles it would save all of us a lot of time. Here are ten titles that I am sure you often encountered in different guises:


1. Attractive Foreign Lady looking for a guy who can help her with a green card
2. Fat chick looking for Brad Pitt type because if thin friends have those types of boyfriends why should I not be entitled to one.
3. Single Black Female looking for black guy with at least a job and no babys mamas. On second thought, SBF looking for SWM
4. biatchy girl looking for guy who can tolerate my biatchiness
5. Single Female who let herself go during previous LTR because she thought she had found the one seeking male accepting current physique.
6. Single White Female seeks black male to help piss off her aloof dad and his new trophy wife
7. Drop Dead Gorgeous Single White Female seeks any type of male, looks are not important but please send me your latest bank statement
8. Cool Female seeks male for free entrance to either Fenway Park, Gillette Stadium or a happening concert.
9. 33 year old Women whose biological clocking is ticking desperately seeks husband/sperm donor.
10. 40+ year old successful professional Female seeks male in his 20s to help relive those years when I spent to much time in the library and the office climbing the ladder.
 
2005-11-20 12:29:33 PM
How do you make money when your entire business plan calls for you to *lose* your most satisfied customers?

How is that any different from weight loss surgery clinics? laser eye care centers? etc...

The concept is simple, there are always people being born, getting into and out relationships, etc - ... plenty of people and plenty of market.

A good dating site is one that does lose their customers, but in a good way by getting them a match. Then word of mouth travels and others are encouraged to use the service.
 
2005-11-20 12:30:05 PM
I was sort of hesitant to try online dating too, until I actually went and tried it (the Fark Personals... And what happened to those, anyway?) -- and it worked out fantastically (with girlfriend for 8 months).

Seems like you could use Friendster for free to get the same results from some other pay site.
 
2005-11-20 12:32:37 PM
I've had varying success with online dating over the years. As sad as an admission as it may be, the number of women I've met online far outnumber the women i've met through other channels.

I've used Match, Lavalife, eHarmony, and Yahoo.

Lavalife was pretty useful for one-night hookups, never really had much luck with anything other than that. When i was travelling all the time for a living, it was amazing how easy it'd be to get a girl to show up at your hotel room at 2am after chatting for a half hour. Sure, they weren't 9s, but they farked.

eHarmony is pretty much a waste. For some reason, eHarmony seems to believe my soulmate is overweight single mothers who live with their parents and don't have a job. I've gotten a few decent dates out of it aside from those laughable incidents, but, nothing fantastic. I've also noticed that after you've been on for awhile, it stops generating matches very frequently. I guess once its trolled through their database you just sit there waiting for new women to join. I've also noticed that right before your subscription expires, you get a ton of new matches...but I'm sure that's just a coincidence (yeah...right).

Match and Yahoo were pretty decent, but, I'll admit, in the last 2 years I've gained about 50 pounds, and my dating life has gotten worse in proportion to the weight gain.

Also, you have a lot better luck with an online service in a major metro area. More women + more computer users = more girls on dating sites.
 
2005-11-20 12:33:12 PM

Kinda says something about the profitability of running internet dating sites, doesn't it?

If they're not retaining customers and they have to turn to fraud in order to keep them, then it's a shiatty business model.

 
2005-11-20 12:38:06 PM
Met my ex-wife in a bar, and we were married for nearly 11 years. I tried yahoo and match personals after my divorce earlier this year, and I'd be happy to do a testimonial for the yahoo personals site. Met some really great women there, a couple loons to balance it out, but on the whole it was a very positive experience. I think you have to remember caveat emptor, but most of the people there are good folks who are tired of looking for someone special in a bar. I work out of my house and have a limited social network outside of my kids' activities, so online dating seemed like a reasonable way to meet people. Had my ex-wife and I not reconciled a couple months ago, I'd probably still be dating a phenomenal woman I met through yahoo.....
 
2005-11-20 12:38:18 PM
i was on match for a bit out in california. its a good idea if you just moved some place and don't know where to find what you're looking for. you can spend some time and pick out who you really want as opposed to going out to a random bar and waiting. i guess, being female, i have a different view of it. but after a couple of months, i got an email from someone who worked at match.com, asking me to be a part of a reality show, apparently my profile matched "todd" of that awful toddtv show a few years back. i had the day off, so i went down there and met a few other girls and waited to have a "speed date" with todd. totally boring, but the bar was open.
 
2005-11-20 12:40:25 PM
You can always visit maw.ru

It's classified ads for eastern european whores and NSFW.
 
2005-11-20 12:40:57 PM
I just went to Match and they don't want to tell you the price... they want you to jump through the hoops of signing up and whatnot before they mention $$$. Must be pricy as hell. I was on it long ago and the price was very reasonable. I think it was $99 for a 1 year or 6 month subscription. Now there are 1, 3, 6 month options. like most things within the technology world, they started out simple, cost effective, and user friendly, and now its a big friggin mess where getting information is like pulling teeth. Bunch of tools. Anyone know what they are trying to soak you for these days?

/met my now live-in gf on Match
 
2005-11-20 12:42:58 PM
I personally cannot stand to see men who are date shills. Sorry to say it to you guys, but I find the fake date shill look absolutely unappealing.

My son, when born, will never be a date shill. That's guaranteed.
 
2005-11-20 12:43:04 PM
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That is the farkin funniest thing I've read in weeks. Thanks!
 
2005-11-20 12:44:19 PM
Met my current boyfriend off a facebook-ish site, on for a little over a month and it's going strong. So I guess I can't really bash dating sites.
 
2005-11-20 12:44:20 PM
antialias

Actually, its should be extremely profitable. I know this as a web hoster with 3 cabinets full of www servers and EMC storage appliances.

$30 a month to view a few dozen pages a day (probably far above average), and to host a couple pictures? The costs involved there are probably a few pennies per user per month on average. If I had a couple million users paying $20 to $30 a month for similar services, even with a datacenter the size of Britney's trailer, I'd be rolling in cash.

AFF has got to be pulling in tens millions in revenue each
month.
 
2005-11-20 12:45:09 PM
mitts61 - what is a date shill?
 
2005-11-20 12:46:35 PM
This is what bars are for...! I tried Match as a lark and did go on 2 dates from it. The women that I went out with weren't much like they described (looks and personality), so I gave up. I also don't have any problem meeting women in my area, so it wasn't really worth it.
 
2005-11-20 12:47:36 PM
No one has yet mentioned my favorite dating site, HotorNot.com. See, the thing with HotorNot is, they don't pretend that 98% of people aren't human trash slowly putrefying in their own crapulence. I mean, you really get to see and appreciate what you're "missing." Most people are fat, ugly, cocky and/or self-delusional, and can't spell worth a damn. It's all there, right up front, as if they were walking past you on the street leering at you, or clumsily trying to pick you up in a bar while drunk.

There's no "29 dimensions of compatibility" or whatever they call it on eHarmony, there's just "Look at this picture of me on my motorcycle -- it's the only thing I care about in life, and that includes you." Hey, good for you, and thanks for letting me know.

But, like others have already said, if you are looking for people whom you KNOW are interested in dating, it's pretty decent once you cull out the non-comically-horrific 2%. There are interesting people all over if you know what you value in yourself and other people. If you know those things well, you'll save yourself a lot of time and trouble in the dating game no matter what your medium.

Moral of the story: I met my fiance on HotorNot, and people always seem shocked/amused to learn how we met, because we're normal, accomplished, articulate people who are insanely attracted to each other. We're not what they think of when they think of online dating, especially at a site like HotorNot. Even though we live in the same area, we would never have met in a million years without it.

We're registered at Craigslist.
 
2005-11-20 12:50:51 PM
lol at you guys paying for this crap
 
2005-11-20 12:53:18 PM
unit63:

Moral of the story: I met my fiance on HotorNot, and people always seem shocked/amused to learn how we met, because we're normal, accomplished, articulate people who are insanely attracted to each other. We're not what they think of when they think of online dating, especially at a site like HotorNot. Even though we live in the same area, we would never have met in a million years without it.

We're registered at Craigslist.


Why was I picturing lots of whips and cahins and bondage games when I read that post? Oh, yeah, now I remember.
 
2005-11-20 12:55:07 PM
JimmyHoffa2222: lol at you guys paying for this crap

Like OMG joo R teh r0x0r!!!!!1!
 
2005-11-20 12:55:21 PM
I found one match.com profile for a girl , supposedly in seattle who looked very hot and kind of familiar.

The reason she looked familiar was because all of her pictures were from SBB - taken at san diego gigs.
 
2005-11-20 12:55:24 PM
One date owing to an online dating service. Actually a pretty good date, but ultimately, she wasn't smart enough, I probably wasn't hot enough, and both of us were starting new jobs at the same time.

Also, they should replace all the fat euphemisms with one word: fat. Then, cut that into two delineations based on user votes. "Fat but carries it well," vs. "just fat."

At any rate, I haven't written off the idea, but my best experiences have owed to totally random chance. I guess that "shot in the dark" thing is the only way to go when you're intelligent but practically schizophrenic.
 
2005-11-20 12:59:39 PM
I've had an online personal for 10 years. I still can't attract a 40 dollar crack whore in real life or online.

/hidesously ugly
//so alone
///slashed
 
2005-11-20 12:59:56 PM
inkdrinker:

At any rate, I haven't written off the idea, but my best experiences have owed to totally random chance. I guess that "shot in the dark" thing is the only way to go when you're intelligent but practically schizophrenic.

You shouldn't be so hard on yourselves.
 
2005-11-20 01:04:18 PM
BXRWXR: You shouldn't be so hard on yourselves.

Don't sell yourself short, judge. You're a tremendous slouch.
 
2005-11-20 01:07:25 PM
Here's another Yahoo success story -- I signed up for Yahoo about three years ago and met my now-ex GF there after paying for a three-month subscription. We had a nice 2.5-year relationship. After that ended recently, I went back to Yahoo and tried again. I signed up for a free one-week subscription, and met a second nice woman. We're still early in the relationship, but it's looking good. I feel vaguely guilty because she didn't respond until after I'd cancelled the free trial, and none of the other ten did at all, except for one rejection, and in my 'why are you cancelling' questionnaire that they asked me, I unloaded onto them telling them what a worthless service they have.

However, I think that that's the way to use these sites -- sign up for whatever free service you can, send out a blast to every woman who is remotely interesting, and INCLUDE CONTACT INFO -- on many of them, the women can't reply unless they're also a subscriber, and once you've sent the blast, cancel your account.
 
2005-11-20 01:07:30 PM

Funny story - not about dating sites but one of those "singles chat lines" advertized on late night TV.

A few years before I met (at work) my now significant other (whom I will refer to as "D"), he was getting hounded by one of his friends ("E") to try the above-mentioned "chat line" to get a date.

E hounded D for weeks about this, and one lonely Friday night when all his plans fell apart, D finally called the chat line.

He got 2 girls to come over to his house. But they were NOT his type, with one being just plain homely and the other one being a 5x5 girl - 5 feet tall and 5 feet wide.

D was horrified and wanted to get them out of the house before his roommate woke up and witnessed the horrors befouling the living room. But he's too polite to just run anyone out unless they've done something to piss him off.

While sitting on the couch, the fat one plopped herself down next to D, reached out with a chubby appendage, grabbed his knee, and asked, "Where are YOU ticklish at?"

"Nowhere!" snapped D, as he got up from the couch, marched over to the stereo, popped "Reign In Blood" by Slayer into the CD player, one of his Beavis and Butthead tapes into the VCR, and began preaching from his copy of "Tha Satanic Bible" for the over-the-top batshiat-crazy effect.

It didn't take the skanks long to get the hint and get the fark out of there.

Afterwards, D was so traumatized by being aggressively hit on by nasty fat chicks that he had to draw a comic strip about the incident to get it out of his system. Needless to say, E got a righteous verbal thrashing for hounding D to call that farking number.

 
2005-11-20 01:09:06 PM
BXRWXR

Schizophrenia isn't multiple personality disorder. It's a severe disorganization of the mental space, racing thoughts, paranoia, delusions, and if it's severe enough, hallucinations.

I don't hallucinate or think I'm Napoleon Bonaparte here, but when I'm alone, I talk to myself, I can't organize my thoughts on one task, I'm always fidgeting, and I'm sure as fark paranoid.
 
2005-11-20 01:15:42 PM
BrunelloBabe:

Don't sell yourself short, judge. You're a tremendous slouch.

inkdrinker:

I don't hallucinate or think I'm Napoleon Bonaparte here, but when I'm alone, I talk to myself, I can't organize my thoughts on one task, I'm always fidgeting, and I'm sure as fark paranoid.

Gezz louise, it was a joke.



Lighten Up, Francis.
 
2005-11-20 01:17:26 PM
OnlyLivingWitness

I've actually met a lot of 5's and 8's during my time dating. I'd say though I am a sucker for the 8's. My middle name should be ticketmaster.
 
2005-11-20 01:17:44 PM
Ripside: Actually, its should be extremely profitable. I know this as a web hoster with 3 cabinets full of www servers and EMC storage appliances....

Interesting take on the profitablity of the online dating business. I can see how they should be raking in the cash by the wheelbarrow-full, considering the relatively low bandwidth costs of moving a few mostly text web pages per customer.

But then again, there is also the enormous overhead cost of running national TV ad campaigns on multiple networks, and I'm sure that is what's taking the biggest bite out of their profit margins.

(I love making money, and I'm always looking for an angle on the next big score)

 
2005-11-20 01:19:51 PM
BXWXR
Gezz louise, it was a joke.

I told you I was paranoid, didn't I?
 
2005-11-20 01:19:58 PM
I met a girl on a dating site, and we lived together three years. I'm moving out next week.

One less success story.

/will stick to the produce section
 
2005-11-20 01:24:19 PM
i want to put candy in your butt
 
2005-11-20 01:26:08 PM
monkeyfetusjuice:

i want to put candy in your butt

What kind?
 
2005-11-20 01:32:24 PM
 
2005-11-20 01:32:52 PM
I'm late to the party and haven't read the thread yet, but I'm sure there is trickery going on in all these personals websites.

For example, this chick was on Fark personals awhile ago:



You mean to tell me that she is just a random sampling?

I highly doubt she can't find a date in the real world.
 
2005-11-20 01:35:58 PM
I was a member of Yahoo personals for a while. Someone should have sued them a long time agao. Fake ads on that site are rampant and Yahoo does nothing to control them, and I wouldn't be surprised if they actually create them. It's not even hard to spot them after you've been burned by them once or twice. Just look for a really hot girl who has very few requirements for her guy and nothing specific about the town she claims to live in.

These are not exaggerations: Of women in their twenties probably about 1 in 4 profiles is fake. If you look at just the very attractive women in their twenties I'm sure it's over half.

Some fake ads are posted by porn sites. You send them a message and they send something back saying something like "If you want to see more pictures of me go to my website www.jennysplaypen.com", or some such crap. As many as their are though it's hard for me to believe that some of them aren't by the site. Whether they create them or just don't try to control them it's false advertising, plain and simple. Sue their arses.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-11-20 01:41:37 PM
I was a member of Yahoo personals for a while. Someone should have sued them a long time ago.

Yahoo's terms of service say you can only sue them in their home court in California and you can't sue them anyway because you agreed that everything on their web site could be a lie and it isn't their problem.
 
2005-11-20 01:46:21 PM
Here's a couple tips on successful online dating:
I do qualitative research, mostly through interview and focus group settings. The most important thing I have to remember is that most of the data is SELF-REPORTED. It's the same thing with online data. So what does this mean? You want to be concerned with ACCURACY. Information like "I see myself as 1. athletic 2. slim 3. etc etc." or "I am a giving person" is worthless because it tells you nothing about how you will see the person, only how they see themselves.
The important questions are the factual ones. "I go the gym x times a week. My activities are (even better- this is a ranking of time spent on various activities). I have x number of children. My height is x, my weight is y." The more factual, the better.
You also want to look for self-contradictory information. A man or woman's profile reads "I go to the gym 6 times a week." but when you look at their height/weight, it seems they are way over. They may be a compulsive eater or they may be lying about their interest in physical fitness.
Basically, you're panning for gold. Don't be surprised if you have to sift a lot of silt before you hit a nugget.

/Met my gf through lavalife after a lot of sifting
 
2005-11-20 01:47:14 PM
"U.S. consumers spent $245.2 million on online personals and dating services in the first half of 2005."

That's kinda scary.
 
2005-11-20 01:50:27 PM
Yahoo's going to settle if they can prove someone, anyone, was a plant - a shill.

One month I tried Yahoo since I was emailed, and surprise, they never emailed back after I signed up. I'd thought it was just an expensive Blind Date that didn't pan out, but now I have a feeling I was scammed. I should have stuck by my words of wisdom that 99% of the things you can pay for on the Internet are scams.
 
2005-11-20 01:51:02 PM
I'd rather invest that money in Miss Cleo the psychic to tell me some good news, instead of spinning the fatty roulette wheel with lovers_anonymous.com
 
2005-11-20 01:52:21 PM
As a side note, there are free sites that I've actually met real people through, so I know there's many that aren't scams. The important thing, as with anything, is to not open your wallet unless you're 100% willing to never see the money again. Don't risk what you can't lose. There are Plenty Of Fish in the .com ocean.
 
2005-11-20 01:56:59 PM
red_today

well, considering sales of Viagra alone are $1.7 Billion /yr...
 
2005-11-20 02:02:54 PM
Some of you guys sound like that dude in Memento who lost his memory. You need to have this tattooed on your chest:

Fact 1: women who are not fat do not need a dating site to meet men, they just need to smile and a guy.

My question is, why are so many women fat? What's the problem ladies? Stop eating. Damn!
 
2005-11-20 02:14:12 PM


Come on baby light my fire.
 
2005-11-20 02:24:20 PM
Match.com?
Why?
The Craigslist "casual encounters" section is where it's at.
 
2005-11-20 02:36:25 PM
I need a new pic by a professional photographer because I'm one of those multidimensional face people who looks different from every angle and I need to find the one that makes me look good.

Wow dude, I hate to break it to ya but..
 
2005-11-20 02:39:49 PM
Fact 1: women who are not fat do not need a dating site to meet men, they just need to smile and a guy.

They may not "need" a dating site, but attractive women certainly do use them. I know because I've met some very attractive women online and have actually dated a few long term.

I think attractive women tend to get hit on by a lot of jerks, so some use dating sites as a way to screen out the riff raff.
 
2005-11-20 02:41:28 PM
Rev. Skarekroe

Craigslist 'casual encounters' rocks. I tried it once. I had to drive 90 miles and rent a hotel room, but it was soooo worth it.
 
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