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2005-11-13 05:08:40 PM  
Some terrorist is gonna blow up his ass for sure.

/he has some great points
 
2005-11-13 05:15:45 PM  
A well written article.
 
2005-11-13 05:16:14 PM  
This article is absurd. Right off the bat I see one massive factual error.

"Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?"

1) Turkey (republic)
2) Indonesia (republic)
3) Jordan (constitutional monarch - parliament elected)
 
2005-11-13 05:16:34 PM  
(1) Why are you so quiet?

They're not. Anti terrorism protests aren't interesting news and don't get reported. For instance, that 20000 strong one in Baghdad. Did you read about that? And all the other ones in the other Iraqi towns.
 
2005-11-13 05:16:54 PM  
Eh. Religion is evil.
 
2005-11-13 05:17:16 PM  
TheNationalist: "Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?"

He meant free as in worth nothing.
 
2005-11-13 05:18:11 PM  
Like all wars, it's political. Religion just makes recruiting the ignorant easier.
 
2005-11-13 05:18:33 PM  
(1) Why are you so quiet?
That would be the same reason why the white Christians aren't out in the street marching with placards denouncing the US invasion of Muslim countries.

(4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?
No atrocities ever occured under the umbrella of the Christian faith.

*cough* *cough* inquisition *cough*
 
2005-11-13 05:20:53 PM  
Prager is one of the routine super-righty asshats who try hard to sound reasonable when they write for the mass market.

Recently in his clownhall column he wrote how the Left is harming america, for example by promoting "cursing" and by that wildly liberal activist judge releasing the Abu Gharib photos.

Koo-koo for cocoa puffs!
 
2005-11-13 05:23:05 PM  
In fact, I'm trying to think of a single lefty/liberal pundit or columnist who modulates how they talk or write based on the audience. Anybody have an example?
 
2005-11-13 05:25:11 PM  
Bort_Flancrest: *cough* *cough* inquisition *cough*

The Inquisition, let's begin
The Inquisition, look out sin!
We're on a mission to convert the Jews
(Jew jew jew jew jew jew jew)
We're gonna teach them wrong from right
We're gonna make them see the light
And make an offer that they can't refuse
(that the Jews just can't refuse)
 
2005-11-13 05:32:06 PM  
Just confeeeeeess
Don't be boring!
Say yeeees
Don't be dull!

The fact, that you're ignoring....

It's better to lose your skullcap than your skull!
 
2005-11-13 05:39:02 PM  
I'm a non-Muslim and I don't give a schitt about the questions or the answers. Phukk yourself, Prager, you blowhole.
 
2005-11-13 05:40:25 PM  
Oh god, I love History of the World.

Actually, we're watching news about the woman arrested for that recent bombing. So here's a question- is there anything progressive about a woman participating in a suicide bombing? I mean in some Arab countries they aren't allowed to do anything important, even if it's dangerous.

/just wondering
 
2005-11-13 05:50:26 PM  
here's an archive of mr prager's work that has featured in townhall.com - same old divisive attacking style as the rest of these motormouths
 
2005-11-13 05:53:10 PM  
munchkinette
Actually, we're watching news about the woman arrested for that recent bombing. So here's a question- is there anything progressive about a woman participating in a suicide bombing? I mean in some Arab countries they aren't allowed to do anything important, even if it's dangerous.

I am sure that the more fundamentalist Islamic nutjobs would actively encourage women to give up their lives for the cause.
 
2005-11-13 06:00:17 PM  
Bort_Flancrest: I am sure that the more fundamentalist Islamic nutjobs would actively encourage women to give up their lives for the cause.


I dunno, I'm just wondering if it's something honorable to be a martyr.
 
2005-11-13 06:07:20 PM  
This guy should familiarize himself with the 2nd half of the 20th century. I guess he was sleeping.

1) Why are you so quiet?

Why has the author ignored the repeated strong condemnations of terrorism by mainstream muslim groups, governments, leaders?

2) Why are none of the Palestinian terrorists Christian?

Because some are. There have always been Christian members of the P.L.O. for example. Outside of Palestine there are plety of Arab Christian terrorists, like the Maronite Christians in Lebanon. Does Sabra and Chatila ring a bell? I guess not.

3) Why is only one of the 47 Muslim-majority countries a free country?

Most Muslim counties are 50-60 years into self rule. Was the U.S. "free" in 1825? I also noticed that Iraq isn't "free" yet either. Also, it's not in the west's interest for the majority muslim countries to be "free". The Shah, Saddam, the Saudis, Musharraf, Mubarak all made sure there wasn't too much freedom, and at the behest of the west.

4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?

Muslims don't have a monopoly on religious fanaticism.

5) Why do countries governed by religious Muslims persecute other religions?

Here I agree with the author. Mixing church and state is bad. That was his point, right?
 
2005-11-13 06:26:33 PM  
dameron

Was the U.S. "free" in 1825?
Ummm... yep.

Muslims don't have a monopoly on religious fanaticism.
'Why are so many' isn't the same question as 'Why are all', so you didn't even remotely answer the question.

Mixing church and state is bad. That was his point, right?
Not at all, but you knew that. There isn't a majority-Christian nation that arrests people for practicing Islam.
 
2005-11-13 06:27:27 PM  
Bort_Flancrest: (4) Why are so many atrocities committed and threatened by Muslims in the name of Islam?
No atrocities ever occured under the umbrella of the Christian faith.

*cough* *cough* inquisition *cough*


*COUGH*COUGH* ALL SEVEN CRUSADES* *COUGH*
 
2005-11-13 06:30:27 PM  
playblu: Ummm... yep.

Devil's advocate, but, if you were a woman or a minority in 1825 how would you have answered that question?
 
2005-11-13 06:31:45 PM  
Bahamut: Devil's advocate, but, if you were a woman or a minority in 1825 how would you have answered that question?

swinging from a tree.

/one, please.
 
2005-11-13 06:32:53 PM  
Quick answer: because most muslims (and christians) -- even if they wouldn't go on a jihad themselves -- want a forced, worldwide theocracy.
 
2005-11-13 06:41:30 PM  
I don't think most Christians want a forced worldwide theocracy. Not even close to that, in fact.

I can't speak for Muslims, having never been one before, but can you imagine the backlash in this country if a member of a clergy were elected to the presidency?

Granted, it's never going to happen, but there's a reason it won't. Nobody wants someone from outside their belief system running their lives. We're all moderately ok with our leaders having radically different political views than our own, and we go along with them. But a church leader all of a sudden telling us how to live our spiritual lives? Never. Luckily this country is diverse enough in its beliefs that we will never be a theocracy.
 
2005-11-13 07:25:49 PM  
Bort_Flancrest: That would be the same reason why the white Christians aren't out in the street marching with placards denouncing the US invasion of Muslim countries.


You mean that peace rally I went to a couple of years ago was about something else?
 
2005-11-13 07:34:01 PM  
There isn't a majority-Christian nation that arrests people for practicing Islam.

[image from i27.photobucket.com too old to be available]
 
2005-11-13 07:39:49 PM  
(6) What's the deal with hummus?
 
2005-11-13 07:45:19 PM  
mediaho: Like all wars, it's political. Religion just makes recruiting the ignorant easier.

*ding * ding * ding*

Give that man a cee-gar!

I'm constantly amazed at how many people can't wrap their heads around this simple concept.
 
2005-11-13 08:12:09 PM  
kent_eh: I'm constantly amazed at how many people can't wrap their heads around this simple concept.

Eh. I'm the first to admit that people like bin Laden don't really subscribe to the Islamic martyrdom horseshiat they spout. They just use it as a tool to get, well, tools to do their dirty work.

Does anyone really think bin Laden's beef with America isn't that we're relatively free and have money and sex and gambling and shiny cars?
 
2005-11-13 08:13:47 PM  

Yeah, The non-muslims in Karl Rove's office. What a piece of talking-point tripe this submission is. Praeger is such am out and out christofascist is't not even funny.

A short list of recent "articles":

°  Who believes in American Exceptionalism? Judeo-Christian values: Part XXIV

°  The difficulty of intellectually engaging the Left

°  How the Left harmed America this week

°  The Bennett libel divides the decent left from the indecent left

°  The left and hysteria

°  First fight yourself, then society: Judeo-Christian values: Part XXIII

°  The feminization of society: Judeo-Christian values: Part XXII
This guy's just a political shill. This is the Admins idea of "going right in a greelight".
 
2005-11-13 08:18:26 PM  
Does anyone really think bin Laden's beef with America isn't that we're relatively free and have money and sex and gambling and shiny cars?

I think that's not his beef - why the hell would he care about what goes on here? He's on the other side of the planet. I bet his beef with us is that we manipulate the region to keep the oil flowing.
 
2005-11-13 08:26:42 PM  
playblu: There isn't a majority-Christian nation that arrests people for practicing Islam.

Tabatha Static: ( RESPONSE to playblu )
There isn't a majority-Christian nation that arrests people for practicing Islam.
( 2005-11-13 07:34:01 PM )

[image from i27.photobucket.com too old to be available]

?

Yot think that the prisoners in that photo who are being transported were ... plucked from the local mosque while they were peacefully praying to allah?
 
2005-11-13 08:32:16 PM  
Bort_Flancrest

90% of the inquisition tales were English and Dutch protestant propaganda. The dreaded Spanish Inquisition in particular has been overstated. It did not persecute millions of people, as is often claimed, but approximately 44,000 people were arrested between 1540 and 1700, of whom less than two per cent were executed.... about 880 persons. 880 people over 160 years is not exactly a massacre. Later on the Enlightenment made use of The Inquisition mostly to contrast it with its own program of reason and reform. The myth has long passed into historic art and literature, in many ways more impressive and moving than the polemical writings of the time of the Dutch Revolt and the Protestant historians.

/I'm not catholic BTW
 
2005-11-13 08:37:22 PM  
Albertan: The myth has long passed into historic art and literature, in many ways more impressive and moving than the polemical writings of the time of the Dutch Revolt and the Protestant historians.

And it has been proudly reborn today by the left to counter any Muslim-critical questioning.

And you thought "But- But- But- Clinton!" was lame, now we've got;


"But- But- But- The inquisition!
 
2005-11-13 08:50:19 PM  
Why do standard issue, good Muslims have to demonstrate in the streets and "prove themseleves worthy" to a skeptical, racist world because of the acts of some sick, vile people who use their version if Islam as a shield for their murderous acts? Has it come to that?
 
2005-11-13 09:08:27 PM  
880 people over 160 years is not exactly a massacre.

Any estimate of how many were tortured? The following site details many instruments of torture, many of them used by the Inquisition.

http://www.occasionalhell.com/infdevice/


/There are fates worse than death.
 
2005-11-13 09:12:14 PM  
tryptik: There are fates worse than death.

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2005-11-13 09:18:14 PM  
That wasn't 6 questions ??
 
2005-11-13 09:18:31 PM  
How can you be from a "partly free" country?
 
2005-11-13 09:19:42 PM  
6) Do you prefer to get your Semtex from the black market, or do you like buying it directly from the IRA ?
 
2005-11-13 09:20:30 PM  
He should be asking the Muslim Pope those questions...oh, wait....
 
2005-11-13 09:23:26 PM  
troll bait
retrograde troll bait.
 
2005-11-13 09:24:32 PM  
2005-11-13 06:32:53 PM vgss

Quick answer: because most muslims (and christians) -- even if they wouldn't go on a jihad themselves -- want a forced, worldwide theocracy.


Religious slackers of the world must unite to defeat this evil!
 
2005-11-13 09:24:38 PM  
Why has no one argued with Pragers points in the article?

There have only been comments on him personally or "christians are just as bad" speech which is so ridiculous as to insult children.

My guess is that Prager hits upon truths that are hard to argue with.

If you are going to argue refute his points (I dare you)
 
2005-11-13 09:25:09 PM  
Tabatha Static

Probably some hours or days before that picture was taken, the gentlemen, and I use that term loosely, sporting the hoods were probably trying to kill Americans. Indeed, given a chance, they would kill every American on that plane.

I could give shiat whether you are a Moslem or not. None of the U.S. troops on that plane care whether or not Moslems are peacefully conducting their religious affairs.

The war is not about peaceful Moslems, its about assclowns perverting Islam and declaring war on the West. Get it right, or have a nice hot steaming cup of STFU.

--h
 
2005-11-13 09:27:30 PM  
rrtt22
Um, some people have refuted some of his points. Have you read the thread?

Muslims HAVE been outraged. They *have* spoken out. But they haven't been carried by the mainstream media, because, well, it doesn't sell. It's for the same reason you never really see a major Expose on "cop doesn't abuse his power!". Good news just doesn't bring in the bling bling. Hate, death, fear, anger... THOSE are what sell. Peace, love, tolerance? Ppssssshh. No one watches that stuff!

Why do you think it's always the "Wacko" christians who make major news stories, but rarely are there stories about those who denounce them, say they're wrong, etc.?
 
2005-11-13 09:29:11 PM  
I wonder if people were asking this of Roman Catholicism during the Medival and Renissance ages of Western Europe?

But more to the point... these are valid questions. While I have no qualm with Islam or Muslims, I do when they 'allow' a very small and very verbal minority hijack their faith and commit attrocities in its name and they no nothing about it.

While the 'average' Muslim is no doubt a peace loving individual who only wants to live in peace and practice their faith, why don't they protest these attrocities that occur every day... in their faith's name?

Valid questions.
 
2005-11-13 09:30:07 PM  
Muslims,
Please ignore these questions; they are no longer valid since the political orientation of the person asking them has been shown to be "conservative" by 21-7-b.
Continue going about doing, well, whatever it is you do. I do have a favor to ask, however -- may I keep my head attached to my shoulders? I do prefer it staying there, thank you.
 
2005-11-13 09:33:04 PM  
Man On Fire: *COUGH*COUGH* ALL SEVEN CRUSADES* *COUGH*

The crusades were started by the Islamic invasion of Spain, a sovereign European nation. This happened in the 700's, quite some time before the first European crusade. Arabs started the crusades.
 
2005-11-13 09:33:20 PM  
Yot think that the prisoners in that photo who are being transported were ... plucked from the local mosque while they were peacefully praying to allah?

Well, there's really no way for us to know, is there? The secret detention and interrogation centers, limitless incarceration, and the murders of prisoners in US custody have done a great job of ensuring that we'll never truly know who these people really are and what they were really doing. I guess you must trust the military and the government quite a lot to just take their word for it.
 
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