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(USA Today)   U.S. tax dollars at work: Company under fire for Abu Ghraib prison controversy and an international bribery scheme won federal government contracts for Hurricane Katrina   (usatoday.com) divider line 54
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2005-11-08 09:03:30 AM  
Our government makes a fatal assumption regarding big business. They assume that businesses, like most individuals, want nothing but the best for their country. They disregard the fact that businesses are sociopathic, wanting only what's best for themselves and their stockholders.
 
2005-11-08 09:11:53 AM  
Umm, wasn't the controversy at Abu Graib caused by the military, not a company?

/am I just confused
 
2005-11-08 09:13:56 AM  
Well, much of our government are just innocent rubes who know nothing about the ways of big business and are probably just being taken advantage of...
 
2005-11-08 09:46:22 AM  
ThatDevGuy: They disregard the fact that businesses are sociopathic, wanting only what's best for themselves and their stockholders.


Exactly
 
2005-11-08 10:03:32 AM  
As long as they will be in charge of rebuilding Orleans Parish Prison, I welcome this news. Bribery? Pfft. They'll fit right in.
 
2005-11-08 10:13:55 AM  
Heck of a job... heck of a job.
 
2005-11-08 10:37:36 AM  
Halliburton?
 
2005-11-08 10:38:19 AM  
/din't rtfa but rtfc
 
2005-11-08 10:38:29 AM  
Next logical step from the article...........to who's campaign fund did they donate the big bucks?
 
2005-11-08 10:42:35 AM  
Our government makes a fatal assumption regarding big business. They assume that businesses, like most individuals, want nothing but the best for their country.

You say that as if you think the Government itself wants what's best for the country. Since when was politics anything more than just big business?
 
2005-11-08 10:43:22 AM  
Abu Ghraib = biggest non-story of the year...
Media whoring at it's best.
 
2005-11-08 10:43:24 AM  
Finally, people will stop throwing the word Halliburton around. Titan is the new Halliburton.
 
2005-11-08 10:44:06 AM  
I won't stand for someone insinuating there may be corruption in New Orleans, or anywhere in government contracting for that matter! Patriotism means no questions.
 
2005-11-08 10:44:22 AM  
PWNED?
 
2005-11-08 10:46:54 AM  
JabbaTheButt
Abu Ghraib = biggest non-story of the year...

Conservative talking point:

- Call it a non-story and hope it will go away.
 
2005-11-08 10:47:07 AM  
But George W. Bush says the best way to a strong America is Strong Corporations! All private citizens must bend to the will of the corporations. Luckilly I've got some serious savings so I'll have a few years to enjoy life and mock you stupid poor bush supporters before I jet to Europe.
 
2005-11-08 10:48:54 AM  
Has everyone seen the Italian documentary that aired on european satellite last night? The one about how the US used chemical weapons on the Iraqi citizens in Fallujah?

Link

Warning graphic images
 
2005-11-08 10:50:39 AM  
Halliburton must be green ($$$) with envy. I wonder who BushCo knows over at Titan.
 
2005-11-08 10:51:00 AM  
Did anyone catch the article quoting Bush to say "the US does not employ torture"? Man that had me rolling with laughter for a good hour at least. Then some US soldiers tortured me because my skin's dark.
 
2005-11-08 10:51:59 AM  
I've been saving up for a while now. I have a good 10K saved up. Some of that is going to be spent on a vacation to the major Canadian cities to see if there is one that I like enough to move.

I wasn't really serious about moving to Canada if Bush was elected... but now that I see that even after everything he has done he still manages about 40% approval rating it means that the problem isn't Bush - its America itself. I am really starting to think it is time to bail out of this sinking ship and hope it doesn't suck the rest of the world down with it.
 
2005-11-08 10:53:27 AM  
Chain

Yellow air
Yellow clouds
Blowin' down down down the fairway
Sensitive to the touch
Mowin' down the putting green
Heading straight for the big clubhouse
Where the stuffed country club
Effervescent ladies, so carefree
Relax, pose by the pool
Limber limp with a dry martini
Until.

/DK
 
2005-11-08 10:57:14 AM  
LABMAN
Sure Abu Graib was a military thing, but the military has been so incompetant that the best trained and most fluent staff they had in these languages and dialects were assigned to other tasks.
Why do I suspect Cheneys' et al have their fat little money grubbing fingers in this.
Things that make you go hmmmm.
By the way, this is the same military that pays 80.00$ for a hammer.
 
2005-11-08 10:58:09 AM  
chain- I submitted a link to an english version of the documentary about 1.5 hours ago, no doubt it will NOT get a greenlight.
 
2005-11-08 10:59:04 AM  
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10907.htm

If anyone is interested.
 
2005-11-08 11:00:20 AM  
Sure, it is to us...

But one of these days, if this is actually reported as maybe we'll have a little outrage?

Obvious? Yes. Proper? No. Will Americans just shrug their shoulders? Yes. Anyone looked at their taxation lately? And this is what we use it for...

/retarded
 
2005-11-08 11:02:41 AM  
EnormousJuan

I guess you speak arabic?
 
2005-11-08 11:04:11 AM  
I was wondering when we were going to get today's scandal.
 
2005-11-08 11:04:23 AM  
Sure, it is to us...

But one of these days, if this is actually reported as maybe we'll have a little outrage?

Obvious? Yes. Proper? No. Will Americans just shrug their shoulders? Yes. Anyone looked at their taxation lately? And this is what we use it for...

/retarded, obviously for lack of pics
//I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore
///or something like that
 
2005-11-08 11:05:08 AM  
JabbaTheButt

Abu Ghraib = biggest non-story of the year...
Media whoring at it's best.


Shame on you. May you get to experience something of the like first hand, from the bottom of the pyramid of your naked buddies.

Why do you hate America?
 
2005-11-08 11:06:41 AM  
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 08 Nov 2005 at 04:03:27 PM GMT is:




Isn't it great having conservatives in office?
 
2005-11-08 11:10:22 AM  
Just think how many people could have been put in the Superdome if they were stacked naked.
 
2005-11-08 11:10:52 AM  
What amazes me is when conservatives are in office, the national debt goes up, but they cut programs to lower spending.

IMHO the deficit is what should be in the news. And where it's going (hint, read articles like these).
 
2005-11-08 11:14:06 AM  
They cut programs to lower spending while cutting taxes to the people who pay the most into it (Hint: The rich). That's part of the reason.
 
2005-11-08 11:19:11 AM  
Other items "not in the news" according to Convervatives:

- The U.S. in on the shiat List of most of the Civilized World
- Global Warming
- Osama is STILL OUT THERE
- Terroists are still able to strike us when ever and how ever they chose too
- Our Armed forces are over extended
- Our Armed services are having a lot of trouble keeping up recruitment numbers
- China is eating our lunch

/Incomplete list.
//Discuss
 
2005-11-08 11:19:21 AM  
2005-11-08 11:14:06 AM Chyron

They cut programs to lower spending while cutting taxes to the people who pay the most into it (Hint: The rich). That's part of the reason.

But the problem is... they cut money from programs that help people, only to funnel more money into programs that help their friends and/or corporations. Thus... taxes cut, spending increases, deficit increases.

/All for cutting money to programs that help people and friends and/or corporations...
 
2005-11-08 11:21:26 AM  
Chyron

They cut programs to lower spending while cutting taxes to the people who pay the most into it (Hint: The rich). That's part of thereason.

Sometimes my eyes just read things funny
 
2005-11-08 11:22:34 AM  
the reason

/damn my html skills!
 
2005-11-08 11:29:34 AM  
Can we please have a revolution now?
 
2005-11-08 11:32:36 AM  
Chyron:

Did anyone catch the article quoting Bush to say "the US does not employ torture"? Man that had me rolling with laughter for a good hour at least. Then some US soldiers tortured me because my skin's dark.


I don't see how he can say that? He's been torturing the middle class tax payer for 5 years now. :D
 
2005-11-08 11:37:55 AM  
This is why we need to quit outsourcing govt. functions to 3rd party companies. Its like hiring a temp worker. Instead of paying say $15 an hour direct to an employee, your paying the temp agency $30 to cover wages, overhead and PROFIT.

Military support and govt services such as emergency and rebuilding services need to go back to being govt. departments. This allows bugetary oversight, accountability etc. It also assures that all people doing the work are federal employees, are paid a living wage, get real benefits and have some labor rights. People working for these contractors are perpetually getting screwed, not paid or paid far less than they would as govt. employees.

The really telling fact is that if we had govt. departments running such functions it would cost us all less than the current situation.

/I'm with Strawman.
 
2005-11-08 11:38:37 AM  
A Strawman

There's a couple of guys here in black suits that want to talk to you.
 
2005-11-08 11:40:51 AM  
Chain: Has everyone seen the Italian documentary that aired on european satellite last night? The one about how the US used chemical weapons on the Iraqi citizens in Fallujah?

Warning graphic images


Very sad indeed! I am not a bush suppporter and don't think that we had any reason to invade when we did, but couldn't help but think that maybe is a result of chemical weapons that were stored in the city and damaged during the bombing. I thought it was against the Geneva convention to use such weapons. If we did use them then it is a sad statement on our government. I didn't know if I could get any more disappointed in our government, but I guess I was wrong.
 
2005-11-08 11:41:05 AM  
vrpink - Rather deal with the arabs. Currently I lie and say I'm christian all the time. I imply that I am religious and go to church. It results in an easier life here in the USA. Greases the social wheels with the simple folk. They like me more if I believe in their fantasies. Were Europe to go Arabic I would 'convert' to islam and enjoy subjugating women! Luckilly I am male so this works out great for me.
 
2005-11-08 11:46:43 AM  
 
2005-11-08 11:50:13 AM  
Great Caesar's Toast

There's a couple of guys here in black suits that want to talk to you.

Tell 'em to bugger off and stop wasting my taxes.
 
2005-11-08 11:54:08 AM  
A Strawman: Can we please have a revolution now?

With the way the government is running now, that may be the only way to save the country.

Maybe a comet or meteor will hit washington and at least that will stop them.
 
2005-11-08 11:57:10 AM  
Chain:

I don't have time to watch that movie right now, but I did just skip forward quickly and found something about White Phosophorus and that ex-military guy talking about how horrible it is.

I looked it up, and it turns out White Phosphorus is the main ingredient in a smoke grenade. Lots of misinformation there. Those pictures shown along with that clip were not caused by White Phosphorus.

This isn't helping me believe that movie.
 
2005-11-08 12:03:14 PM  
http://chris-floyd.com/fallujah/

The video is available here as a wmv download and as a streaming Flash 8 movie.
 
2005-11-08 12:19:06 PM  
"Very sad indeed! I am not a bush suppporter and don't think that we had any reason to invade when we did, but couldn't help but think that maybe is a result of chemical weapons that were stored in the city and damaged during the bombing. I thought it was against the Geneva convention to use such weapons. If we did use them then it is a sad statement on our government. I didn't know if I could get any more disappointed in our government, but I guess I was wrong."

Don't forget about the depleted uranium poisoning that we've done to that country for the last 15 years. Depleted uranium is basically nuclear waste. So their country is basically screwed, and will be radioactive for the next few thousand years. You should take a look at the rate of birth defects over there. When they have a kid, they dont ask "is it a girl or a boy." They ask "is it normal?"

We really did a number on their country. Depleted uranium poisonin is a form of weapon of mass destruction, and what we've done to Iraq is a form of genocide.

Drink up your kool-aid folks!
 
2005-11-08 12:25:07 PM  
There needs to be a near complete change in US politics VERY soon. Please?!
 
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