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(Yahoo)   Bush warns South Americans against forces that "seek to roll back democratic progress by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 497
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2005-11-06 06:54:00 PM
So did the Brazilians promptly show him the door?
 
2005-11-06 06:56:14 PM
whatshisname: So did the Brazilians promptly show him the door?

I hope so. The man is an embarrassment.
 
2005-11-06 06:56:47 PM
So, I hypothesize that one or more of the following is accurate --

1. Bush did not write this speech
2. Bush thinks he is bolstering democracy with his actions
3. Bush is lying
 
2005-11-06 06:57:06 PM
F*ck America.

/there ya go, neighbour against neighbour
 
2005-11-06 06:57:18 PM
NO EFFING WAY.

Wow. Just, wow.
 
2005-11-06 06:57:50 PM
It's too bad he's never given that warning to his own people.
 
2005-11-06 06:57:50 PM
Following are examples of freedoms which President Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress have already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press):

*FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

*FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

*FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

*RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

*FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

*RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

*RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

/Quickly snagged off Google, though I wouldn't attribute them all as Bush's "fault" per se, a few just happened to occur on his watch
 
2005-11-06 06:59:11 PM
Just Ignorant: It's too bad he's never given that warning to his own people.

His people are pretty good at yelling about it on the Internet.
 
2005-11-06 06:59:45 PM


Aww man! Ok, pack it up lads, we're going home!
 
2005-11-06 07:00:12 PM
If Dubya's IQ equalled his age:
 
2005-11-06 07:00:47 PM
Hey, I applaud him if he could say all that with a straight face.
 
2005-11-06 07:01:38 PM
flip_flop: If Dubya's IQ equalled his age

If Dubya's IQ equalled his age, it would be 59.
 
2005-11-06 07:02:08 PM
ThatDevGuy: His people are pretty good at yelling about it on the Internet.

By "his people," I meant "his supporters," of course. The rest of us Americans already knew that.
 
2005-11-06 07:03:29 PM
The downside to doing things in your government that require more secrecy is that people tend to assume the worst about what you're actually doing behind those closed doors and giant concrete bunker walls.

Actually doing some of those things doesn't help.
 
2005-11-06 07:04:56 PM


My only Bush picture.
 
2005-11-06 07:07:24 PM
nin_man: Hey, I applaud him if he could say all that with a straight face.

Not a chance - he smirks at the end of every fricken sentence.
 
2005-11-06 07:08:17 PM
leperboy69
Not a chance - he smirks at the end of every fricken sentence.

I think about his smirking every day. Every. Single. Day.
 
2005-11-06 07:09:00 PM
As I said in another thread, the tag should be retired after this [story.] It has reached a state of transcendent perfection.
 
2005-11-06 07:09:26 PM
I'm curious to see which flamewar will be bigger, the one over the article or the one over the use of the Irony tag.
 
2005-11-06 07:10:05 PM
ThatDevGuy: The downside to doing things in your government that require more secrecy is that people tend to assume the worst about what you're actually doing behind those closed doors and giant concrete bunker walls.

Given America's past record for secret things (particularly in regard to foreign countries, especially those in Latin & South America) it's not surprising at all that people are predominently suspicious.

Trust left a long time ago, and it needs to be earned back.
 
2005-11-06 07:12:45 PM
leperboy69: Trust left a long time ago, and it needs to be earned back.

Americans have somehow gained the illusion that the government's activities should be transparent, even those activities in which transparency would defeat the purpose (e.g. Valerie Plame). Many people condone some opaque activities (e.g., again, Valerie Plame) but it's hard to tell where to draw the line.
 
2005-11-06 07:12:57 PM
I think about his smirking every day. Every. Single. Day.

[jaw grind]

that's hard work

[/jaw grin]
[smirk]
 
2005-11-06 07:13:44 PM
Action Replay Nick: I think about his smirking every day. Every. Single. Day.

Dude, that ain't good. Unless it's erotic!
 
2005-11-06 07:16:48 PM
leperboy69: Action Replay Nick: I think about his smirking every day. Every. Single. Day.

Dude, that ain't good. Unless it's erotic!



Eeeeeeeeeeew!
 
2005-11-06 07:19:05 PM
jestme: Eeeeeeeeeeew!

Oh come on...he's such a big, strapping, handsome man.



Oh Geoooooorrrrggggeeeee....
 
2005-11-06 07:19:42 PM
I think this is just the speechwriters getting progressively more and more daring as his presidency goes on. I'm sure by 2008, we'll be hearing speeches that say stuff like, "I think we should make sure that people are always picked for college based on talent, and not just family connections."
 
2005-11-06 07:22:40 PM
ThatDevGuy: Americans have somehow gained the illusion that the government's activities should be transparent, even those activities in which transparency would defeat the purpose (e.g. Valerie Plame). Many people condone some opaque activities (e.g., again, Valerie Plame) but it's hard to tell where to draw the line.

I kinda think the demand for transparency and whatnot is because of the sordid history of secrecy, backroom deals, and military actions.

But you're correct in saying it's kinda hard to draw the line...it well is. Some things need to stay secret, or unknown, but the unfortunate thing is that this provides a nice cover for bad people to do bad things.

*shrug*...I'm not quite sure what I'm trying to say. Aside form my obvious man-love of Bush ;)
 
2005-11-06 07:23:48 PM
Next:

OJ and Ike Turner open a battered women shelter
The Robert Downey Jr. and Courteny Love Detox and Rehab Center
Paris Hilton and Charlie Sheen sponsor a teen sex prevention seminar series

Then the apocalypse.
 
2005-11-06 07:24:28 PM
leperboy69: Aside form my obvious man-love of Bush ;)

[internal monologue]

From, you idiot, from...

[/internal monologue]
 
2005-11-06 07:27:12 PM
i think the amount of things re: governmental actions that require secrecy are fairly minimal. the administration's policies of cloaking almost every thing they do inpsires feelings of mistrust, feelings that more and more seem to have a real, rational basis.


this government (theoretically) runs at the will and pleasure of the people and as one of those people, i would like to make sure that my "employees" aren't ripping me off.
 
2005-11-06 07:27:40 PM
leperboy69: Oh come on...he's such a big, strapping, handsome man.

Please, I'm eating. That's why I said "eeew" instead of that "threw up in my mouth a little" thing.

Apologies to anyone else who may be eating.

Seriously, this man turns my stomach every time I think of his smirky little grin, and cocaine tooth grind.
 
2005-11-06 07:28:00 PM
Liberal fools!



John Kerry would have let you been eaten by wolves!

Is that what you want? For your children?

Oh, and if that doesn't get you, gays will be married if America chooses a Democrat. THAT'S RIGHT, GAYS!!!
 
2005-11-06 07:29:38 PM
leperboy69: But you're correct in saying it's kinda hard to draw the line...it well is. Some things need to stay secret, or unknown, but the unfortunate thing is that this provides a nice cover for bad people to do bad things.

IMO, it's not unlike what happened to state's rights when some states tried to abuse them with slavery. We have to be carefully to ensure that the fix isn't worse than the problem.

Not that I'm saying slavery is better than states rights, just that we have to tread lightly in regards to drawing this line. Once again, some people abused the system and farked it up for everyone else down the line. Let's just try to fix it without over-fixing it.
 
2005-11-06 07:30:10 PM
Etchy333
Oh, and if that doesn't get you, gays will be married if America chooses a Democrat. THAT'S RIGHT, GAYS!!!

You're right, we can't be having any of that. If the homosexuals are allowed to marry, next thing you know, PEOPLE WILL BE MARRYING THEIR WOLVES!
 
2005-11-06 07:31:11 PM
jestme: Seriously, this man turns my stomach every time I think of his smirky little grin, and cocaine tooth grind.

I'm just amazed that a speechwritier / media trainer / consultant hasn't pulled him aside at some stage to say "You know that little smirk of yours? Don't pull it when you've just finished a sentence about dead people, or poverty, or...."

That said, it kinda lends credence to the thought that Bush is one intelligent little farker, and that smirk reflexively happens whenever he thinks "Look at all those dumbshiats eating out of my hand..."

Maybe.
 
2005-11-06 07:33:24 PM
leperboy69
it kinda lends credence to the thought that Bush thinks he is one intelligent little farker, and that smirk reflexively happens whenever he thinks "Look at all those dumbshiats eating out of my hand..."
 
2005-11-06 07:36:04 PM
mediaho: Once again, some people abused the system and farked it up for everyone else down the line. Let's just try to fix it without over-fixing it.

A good idea - intelligence services in particular need that protection more than anything (as long as they're not setting up secret jails in other countries to torture people, instigating coups, etc). Me personally, I think they key thing needed is accountability, something that seems to be sorely lacking in Government these days. Oh, and needless inefficiency, but that's another story...
 
2005-11-06 07:36:50 PM
Wow. Apparently Xuxa doesn't do anything for people anymore.
 
2005-11-06 07:38:43 PM
Action Replay Nick:



And then they'll ban the Bible.
 
2005-11-06 07:40:01 PM
No_47: it kinda lends credence to the thought that Bush thinks he is one intelligent little farker, and that smirk reflexively happens whenever he thinks "Look at all those dumbshiats eating out of my hand..."

Hahah, yes, that could be more accurate.

KazamaSmokers: Wow. Apparently Xuxa doesn't do anything for people anymore.

To be honest, I've got no bloody idea who / what / where Xuxa is...?!?
 
2005-11-06 07:41:11 PM
Etchy333: And then they'll ban the Bible.

And then all of the Christians will be fed to the lions, who are, incidentally, gay.
 
2005-11-06 07:42:19 PM
 
2005-11-06 07:45:22 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA H
/cough cough

HA HA HA HA
 
2005-11-06 07:46:50 PM
Did someone call for a gay lion?

 
2005-11-06 07:49:31 PM
Action Replay Nick: Did someone call for a gay lion?

I love a good gay lion.
 
2005-11-06 07:50:35 PM
KazamaSmokers: Apparently Xuxa doesn't do anything for people anymore.

Sure it does. I used to love catching Xuxa on the Spanish channel on Sunday (was it Sunday?) mornings. I was shocked (i.e., excited) to find out she did more than just host a weekend "children's show". Gotta love Brazil.
 
2005-11-06 07:51:22 PM

This headline? Delicioussss...
 
2005-11-06 07:54:09 PM
Yeah - those were about the only safe Xuxa photos I could find.
 
2005-11-06 07:58:25 PM
Etchy333: And then they'll ban the Bible

Wasn't there that political commercial making the rounds last year of people secretly gathering in their hidden church, because the liberals had finally won and outlawed Christianity?

I don't know if it was just here in Florida, but it got a lot of play.

I think they really think that the atheists are coming to shut down their churches. It's what keeps them in such constant hysterical panic at the word "liberal."
 
2005-11-06 07:59:54 PM
gospel of thomas:

Yes, that's right, it's just the hippies that are against Bush. Strange how the country turned 60% Hippie!
 
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