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(worldnetdaily.com)   Peak Oil theory debunked; there is enough oil to last hundreds of years   (worldnetdaily.com) divider line 360
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2005-11-05 11:16:54 AM
FTFA: Rather, he believes it is being producing deep within the earth and is brought to attainable depths by centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation

He also believes that robots are stealing his luggage, that everyone is secretly named "Stan" and that George Bush can make this country what it once was.....
An arctic region covered with ice.
 
2005-11-05 11:17:41 AM
*chuckle*
 
2005-11-05 11:23:18 AM
Rather, he believes it is being producing deep within the earth and is brought to attainable depths by centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.

I'd like to read that paper.
/geologist
 
2005-11-05 11:23:33 AM
"We can get all the oil we need for dozens, if not hundreds of years to come."

Dozens to hundreds... nice margin of error, dude.
 
2005-11-05 11:23:58 AM
Well, if you can't trust world net daily for scientific research...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-11-05 11:24:09 AM
He also believes that robots are stealing his luggage

Oh, he flew through Denver?
 
2005-11-05 11:28:32 AM
"Saudi Arabian oil supplies are dwindling"

I have a friend who thinks that this might be by design...There are trillions of barrels estimated to be under Wyoming/Colorado/Montana and the surrounding area the the US will have if ...yes if the Mid East ever runs dry (something I personally doubt). His theory is that we are using theirs first...

A little tin foil hattish for me but a plausible theory I suppose.
 
2005-11-05 11:28:32 AM
ZAZ: Oh, he flew through Denver?

Bah HAHAHAHA.

So they never got that crappy system fixed?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-11-05 11:33:22 AM
There is enough oil under the Rockies to last us a long time, but it's going to be expensive and messy to extract. Cheaper to suck the Middle East dry while investing in our future here. Oh, wait a minute. Did I say investing in our future? Investing in extraction technology takes money and commitment. I meant leaving an energy crisis and war with China for the next generation.
 
2005-11-05 11:35:46 AM
Of course, humanity's only been here for "hundreds" of years so far, right?

So we probably only a a few hundred years left.
 
2005-11-05 11:40:59 AM
So they never got that crappy system fixed?

It's on the scrap heap of history, soon to be joined by Smith's fairy tale theory

(Simmons' "Twilight in the Desert" is excellent reading BTW)
 
2005-11-05 11:41:40 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: His theory is that we are using theirs first...

I think its more likely that we're using all of the easy to reach and refine oil first. The trillions of barrels in the US Northwest and Canada are locked in shale and sand. It will cost a lot more to get the oil out and since its of a lower grade, its also more expensive to refine.

Peak Oil isn't about all the wells suddenly going dry, its about demand being greater than the producable supply. Once that starts happening the prices will go up exponentially and the world economy will get very dicey. There's still lots of oil, but economies are going to crash before we can get to all of it.
 
2005-11-05 11:42:17 AM
Please tell me the submitter was joking.

You'd think a term like "debunked" would require a little more than coverage of a debate, on WorldNetDaily no less, in which even the crackpot "debunker" doesn't make the claim that there is enough oil to last hundreds of years.
 
2005-11-05 11:42:56 AM
Rather, he believes it is being producing deep within the earth and is brought to attainable depths by centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.

Great, let's trade one crackpot theory for another.

I should also note that this comment was difficult to type, because the earth's centrifugal forces were pulling me into the sky.
 
2005-11-05 11:43:04 AM
All we have to do is drill a hole in the rockies and the oil will spew forth due to centrifugal forces, much like my wang when I'm doing the David Copperfield.
 
2005-11-05 11:43:10 AM
I didn't realize "debunking" entailed just making shiat up.
 
2005-11-05 11:46:19 AM
BearToy: There's still lots of oil, but economies are going to crash before we can get to all of it.


Your lack of faith in the ability of man to overcome obstacles is interesting...
 
2005-11-05 11:47:16 AM
Centrifugal forces? You can't de-bunk with bunk!
 
2005-11-05 11:47:53 AM
The author of the book is hot off an appearance on Coast to Coast AM. He was on right after the alien abduction debate.
 
2005-11-05 11:49:03 AM
Fnord: pulling me into the sky.
chain + metal hook in foundation, that's what I do.

Personally, I let googlefight decide major issues for me.

peak oil is real
6,070,000 results

peak oil is a myth
618,000 results
 
2005-11-05 11:50:12 AM
the ability of man to overcome obstacles

Amen. Worth repeating. We use it because it's there. If it wasn't, we'd use something else. Not a hard concept.
 
2005-11-05 11:51:04 AM
Yeah.. cause you know, THERE IS NO WAY we are going to develop any new drilling technology between now and 2100 A.D. The technology we have now is it baby!

No flying cars either... and uh.. no "beaming" people up.

Never.. ever.. underestimate the power of human ingenuity. We've done some farked up shiat over the last few thousand years.
 
2005-11-05 11:55:18 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: Your lack of faith in the ability of man to overcome obstacles is interesting...

Just what I'm observing, good man.

While we're sucking up all the easy cheap oil, there is no real push to get at the other stuff and be ready for the inevitable supply problems. Just like nobody is very serious about all of the viable alternative energy sources. Corporate America isn't very good at voluntary long-term planning. When supply problems are already upon us and the price of oil skyrockets then, and only then, will they start switching over to shale/sand oil and coal liquification. Not before.

We will overcome the obstacles but only at maximum profitable levels.
 
2005-11-05 11:58:09 AM
We will overcome the obstacles but only at maximum profitable levels.

..and this is different from most of history how?
 
2005-11-05 11:58:51 AM
Peak oil != running out of oil
Peak oil = running out of CHEAP oil

Huge difference.

Plus, even if oil is abiotic i origin, its still a matter of replacement vs extration rates. So we currently extract at near 83m barrels per day. If abiotic replacement is 90m barrels per day (yeah right), then in just 5 years, we exceed the replacement rate for the planet, and we're back in the same situation.

Basically, inifinite growth is NOT possible. Thats what underlies all of the problem we face as a species.

Think of it in very simple terms. Bacteria on a dish of nutrients (auger). So you put one little bacterial on there, and it splits and grows and splits and grows, and everything is extremely peachy even until just one generation of growth before you exhaust the nutrients of the petri dish. Grow is still exponential even up until that one last generation. And then, bam, scarcity. Huge die-off as the system self corrects.

Lets say for the sake of arguement that there is an influx of nutrients into this here petri dish (aka, abiotic oil theory), the rates of growth are so staggering towards the end of the experiment, that you still exceed the carrying capacity of the petri dish just as you would with no influx.

*sigh*
 
2005-11-05 12:01:32 PM
TheRealist: Personally, I let googlefight decide major issues for me.

peak oil is real
6,070,000 results

peak oil is a myth
618,000 results


I've just learned that Santa Claus is real!

/frets about being on the naughty list
//not that there's anything wrong with that
 
2005-11-05 12:01:53 PM
I'm more interested in that Pat Boone article.
 
2005-11-05 12:02:21 PM
Won't the cetrifugal forces bring up monsters, too?
 
2005-11-05 12:05:03 PM

Oh, and from WND's main page:



Not quite up to NewsMax's standards, but still noteworthy.
 
2005-11-05 12:05:55 PM
"The problem is," according to Smith, "if you believe that we are getting oil from decaying dinosaurs and debris from the forests then obviously there's only a finite supply. We don't embrace that. We believe that the earth is creating oil as we speak and that with technological advances and the ability to put human resources together with natural resources, and the wonderful capital markets we have here in America, we can get all the oil we need for dozens, if not hundreds of years to come."

That is a problem. If we depended on 'decaying dinosaurs and debris from the forests', we would have run out of oil decades ago.
 
2005-11-05 12:06:52 PM
Rather, he believes it is being producing deep within the earth and is brought to attainable depths hit the anus by centrifugal forces of the earth's rotation.
 
2005-11-05 12:07:11 PM
skylabdown: ..and this is different from most of history how?

Unfortunately, yes its more of the same.

Corporations exist only to make a profit. They are machines that take money and resources in and churn other resources and more money out. That is not good or evil, that is the nature of things. The only way to direct corporations to do things outside of their goals of maximum immediate profits is through government action. If we had competent leadership, energy companies would be given incentives, or even directives, that would ensure there would be no oil driven economic disaster. If we had competent leadership there would be an Apollo-like national project to develop new energy sources.

But I guess you go into the future with the government you've got, not the government you want.
 
2005-11-05 12:08:30 PM
Article debunking abiotic oil origins

Another page containing several links, articles and references dubunking abiotic oil as a panacea fix for resource limitations


Remember folks, its alllllll A-OK, just closey your eyes, and keep those wallets open. It'll be allll right, we promise.

*sigh*
 
2005-11-05 12:09:48 PM
BearToy: But I guess you go into the future with the government you've got, not the government you want.


How about not relying on government to take care of this (or a shiatload of other) issues?
 
2005-11-05 12:10:09 PM
Oh My God, WND is using an Ohio used RV salesman as a scientific expert!
 
2005-11-05 12:12:08 PM
OMG he is real
 
2005-11-05 12:12:22 PM
wow, that was funny

submitter, since you obviously don't know what it means:
Main Entry: debunk
Function: transitive verb
: to expose the sham or falseness of
- debunker noun
 
2005-11-05 12:13:15 PM
Bevets: What dinosaurs? Everyone knows that's just a silly myth.
 
2005-11-05 12:14:49 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: How about not relying on government to take care of this (or a shiatload of other) issues?

What, write a letter to Exxon and try to convince them to stop making so much profit and sink billions into future cheap, clean energy sources that will result in us keeping more of the money they've been taking? Should I add "Pretty Please"? Will that help?

I know you're just right down the road in Austin but it does make me wonder what color the sky is in your world.
 
2005-11-05 12:16:40 PM
Why, exactly, is WND even given credence?

They're the Enquirer for right-wing nutcases. Seriously, this is a ridiculous article.
 
2005-11-05 12:16:44 PM
Elsewhere on WND's main page today: "Do Space Aliens Have Souls?"

/As Dave Barry said, I am not making this up
 
2005-11-05 12:17:16 PM
Bevets:

That is a problem. If we depended on 'decaying dinosaurs and debris from the forests', we would have run out of oil decades ago.

Boy, where did the oil come from?

// I'll bite
 
2005-11-05 12:17:45 PM
If the government really had any vision they would support the idea of an "Apollo-Program-for-Energy," and invest tons of money in coming up with a viable alternative to oil for energy.

If we went back just 100 years, compare the world that we lived in. What the hell...go back 50, or 40, or 20 years. Change can and does occur at a swift rate. We dont know what we will come up with in the next century.

BUT...much of the technological development of the 20th century was driven by the military and the government.
 
2005-11-05 12:18:11 PM
BearToy: What, write a letter to Exxon and try to convince them to stop making so much profit and sink billions into future cheap, clean energy sources that will result in us keeping more of the money they've been taking?


A 9% margin sucks. But if that's the best they can do good for them... And if it's running out anyway, it isn't going to last now is it? What do you think they will do then?


(BTW, I didn't hear you biatching when they weren't making money with $15 oil)
 
2005-11-05 12:20:39 PM
D_I_A: How about not relying on government to take care of this (or a shiatload of other) issues?

I become more and more convinced that the government farks up most everything it gets its hands on, but that's just my own personal experience.
 
2005-11-05 12:26:06 PM
I disagree. Government can succeed in terms of supporting science and research. It should not get in the business of supporting one corporation over another, but it should be investing heavily into university research institutes. This is a national security issue.
 
2005-11-05 12:26:46 PM
KyngNothing: Boy, where did the oil come from?

That's the trillion dollar question. If we knew the answer, we wouldn't be having flamewars on Fark.
 
2005-11-05 12:28:51 PM
freakay: Government can succeed in terms of supporting science and research.


Not since 1972.
 
2005-11-05 12:31:49 PM
KyngNothing: Boy, where did the oil come from?

I prefer the term "Jesus Juice".
 
2005-11-05 12:37:16 PM
Dancin_In_Anson

freakay: Government can succeed in terms of supporting science and research.

Not since 1972.


You mean American government, right? Because plenty of governments around the world play an active and vital role in research and development in their respective countries.
 
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