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(ABC)   Bird flu pandemic that doesn't actually exist yet now being compared to nuclear holocaust   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 194
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2005-11-01 01:30:42 PM  
So answer me this - some TFer said a while back that animal to animal influenza *always* mutates into human-to-human.

is that true?
 
2005-11-01 01:40:21 PM  
I think I'm a little bit more worried about the corruption in the government that they're trying to glaze over with the flu pandemic story.
 
2005-11-01 01:46:38 PM  
KazamaSmokers: So answer me this - some TFer said a while back that animal to animal influenza *always* mutates into human-to-human.

is that true?


I don't think there is an 'always' regarding genetic mutation, so I'd say no....it may be damn likely too, but damn likely != always
 
2005-11-01 01:51:44 PM  
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Hrmmm...
 
2005-11-01 01:53:20 PM  
Bird Flu Pandemic seems to be the media's fall version of Killer Shark Attacks.

I just got back from being in the center of European bird flu area and it doesn't get a word of press there.
 
2005-11-01 01:55:39 PM  
Fear will keep the local systems in line ... fear of this battlestation!
 
2005-11-01 02:06:27 PM  
Considering the Prez staged a big presser this morning on the pandemic, I hardly think it's "the media" that is pushing it.
 
2005-11-01 02:15:22 PM  
It's pronounced nucular.
 
2005-11-01 02:18:04 PM  
KazamaSmokers:

So answer me this - some TFer said a while back that animal to animal influenza *always* mutates into human-to-human.

theding0: I don't think there is an 'always' regarding genetic mutation,

Okay, it's like this: When an infected population with a disease grows large enough, mutations are inevitable. If a virus only mutates once in a hundred thousand cases, then with 20 million carriers you have 200 mutations. Now, Bird flu CAN be caught by people, but those people can't spread it to other people...UNLESS it mutates. If one of those mutations allows 'aerosol' spreading, person to person contamination becomes possible. So this year, perhaps the 200 mutations don't allow that. Next year? Maybe. The year after? Maybe...it becomes almost inevitable.

When one considers that H5N1 is becoming MORE virulent every year (to birds and mice that are used in experiments, since 1997, see: http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0403212101v1 for details), there is great concern about the virus becoming the next pandemic. Considering that when it comes to anti-virals we are in the stone ages, a pandemic would be a bad thing.

In truth, I'd like to see the pandemic earlier rather than later, because if this thing goes 5 more years before it becomes pandemic, we might be looking at infection/mortality rates that make the black death look like a mild fever for society.

0ok
 
2005-11-01 02:29:52 PM  
So at which point do I get to run across the country with Gary Sinese and Molly Ringworm before falling for Laura San Giancomo?
 
2005-11-01 02:33:04 PM  
That's it. I'm going to be in my Landmaster if anyone wants me.
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2005-11-01 02:36:30 PM  
are you kidding me? i've still got masks, bottled water and ammo from the big SARS pandemic!
 
2005-11-01 02:49:04 PM  
HenryFnord:

So at which point do I get to run across the country with Gary Sinese and Molly Ringworm before falling for Laura San Giancomo?

Uhm, I would say after you close your eyes at night and enter a dream state.

KazamaSmokers: That's it. I'm going to be in my Landmaster if anyone wants me.

You need a wheelchair lift on that thing.

Guy Incognito: i've still got masks, bottled water and ammo from the big SARS pandemic!

While there was the fear that SARS could mutate and become easily spread (leading to an epidemic at the epic center, then leading to a pandemic depending on incubation time), most authorities (except the most shrill) didn't believe there was a massive danger (the infected population was too low).

0ok
 
2005-11-01 03:49:58 PM  
okay.. so am i in trouble? why or why not?

EMP
were you relaly in the center of the bird flu hubbub? They werent talking about it?
 
2005-11-01 03:51:11 PM  
That's just silly. No one is getting superpowers from the bird flu.
 
2005-11-01 03:51:29 PM  
KazamaSmokers
I keep seeing that thing parked outside some Hollywood lot rusting away. I wonder if they would sell it to me?

Or maybe Ill just take it when the Apocolypse comes.
 
2005-11-01 03:53:27 PM  
In other news, fear-mongering still makes for good news.
 
2005-11-01 03:53:39 PM  
KazamaSmokers: That's it. I'm going to be in my Landmaster if anyone wants me.

I know now that I want one of those.
 
dly
2005-11-01 03:53:50 PM  
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bad!
 
2005-11-01 03:53:52 PM  
A few weeks 'til extinction
and there's nothing we can do
A message sent to other worlds
will say "It was just the flu"
 
2005-11-01 03:53:59 PM  
Why doesn't any news source mention the fact that any strain of flu can mutate into a deadly version for which we're unprepared and kill half the world? Or the fact that any other disease could do the same.

Oh, right. Scare mongering.
 
2005-11-01 03:54:51 PM  
So is it "starve a cold, feed a bird flu" or the other way around? I need to know cause I'm going to the store soon.
 
2005-11-01 03:55:09 PM  
Next crisis, nuclear bird flu infected killer sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads!
 
2005-11-01 03:55:10 PM  
What if nuclear holocaust is overrated, too?
 
2005-11-01 03:55:16 PM  
Fear will keep the local systems in line ... fear of this battlestation!

Thank you for making me laugh, Brodan. Wait a minute, this is one of those things that's too true to be funny, isn't it?

/sigh
 
2005-11-01 03:55:26 PM  
It's all "bird flu" this and "bird flu" that.

What's the big deal?

Birds fli all the time!

One flu right by my window the other day.
 
2005-11-01 03:55:29 PM  
That's sad; the discussion is sorta-almost-now over.
 
2005-11-01 03:55:37 PM  
The Stand vs. Swans Song

/two great books
 
2005-11-01 03:55:59 PM  
In China, they hang birds up and let their blood drain into the streets.

Perhaps it will just be contained to third world countries.
 
2005-11-01 03:57:09 PM  
Hell, I'm not worrried. I'm actually suprised we are all still alive.

I was supposed to die in nuclear holocost in the 80's.

Then, AIDS was going to sweep through society in the 90's.

The terrorist were supposed to get me in 2001.

Now a bird flu? Ok.


After all, it's not like the media ever exagerates anything.
 
2005-11-01 03:57:43 PM  
So, you're telling me that Libby is indicted, and Cheney is under investigatio----

What?

Bird Flu!

The sky is falling!!!
 
2005-11-01 03:58:48 PM  
This isn't fear mongering by the goverment. Anyone who thinks so is a farking idiot.
This is of the same strain (H5) as the Spanish Flu, which killed 50 million people worldwide, 500,000 in the USA.
 
2005-11-01 03:59:11 PM  
I see it like this
Media says "BOO!" World jumps.
 
2005-11-01 04:00:04 PM  
SARS, CJD, now this.

I'm having trouble with all this. Not the issues but the media hysteria which is causing the apathy and complacency which could cost us so dearly.
 
2005-11-01 04:00:46 PM  
GurneyHalleck

Nailed that on the head. Having something to be terrified about makes rational thought a bit more difficult.

Poor birds catching the rap for this. I'll bet Paris Hilton knows how they feel.
 
2005-11-01 04:01:20 PM  
This bird flu pandemic is really serious shiat regardless of the claims of media fearmongering. This is one time it's truly justified.

Anyway, just wash your hands often without anti-bacterial soap. That'll prevent 90% of our problems.
 
2005-11-01 04:01:23 PM  
Danger Mouse: You forgot Y2K...
 
2005-11-01 04:01:48 PM  
 
2005-11-01 04:02:05 PM  
RTA: Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University

To ease all fears... I will ask my postman about this hull-a-balooh!
 
2005-11-01 04:02:11 PM  
When does an epidemic become a pandemic or vice versa?

Definitions read about the same.
 
2005-11-01 04:02:31 PM  
This was supposed to happen with swine flu, I think about 30 years ago. It never did. There will be a flu pandemic or at least the start of one, at some point. But it can come from any flu source, not just birds. Just because something jumps to people and then mutates so that people can spread it to other people doesn't mean it'll be bad. That's what happens with every flu season. The pandemics happen when you get something that people don't have immunity to and is really nasty. A really nasty flu that most people have partial immunity to isn't too bad. If the flu is mild it doesn't much matter how much immunity you have. Just hope it doesn't do what the flu did back in in 1918 and target your body against yourself. So then those who should do the best do the worst.
 
2005-11-01 04:02:34 PM  
You guys all laugh now, but when the dead litter the streets and disease is running unchecked, and the dead rise from thier grave to feast on the brains of the living, you'd wish you were dead. Envy the dead.
 
2005-11-01 04:02:46 PM  
Mass hysteria, Dogs and Cats living together, biblical proportions, blah blah blah...

Tobacco will kill more people in thsi country today (heck while your reading this thread) than bird flu will kill this year. And it's not even close.

WHO data shows 60 people worldwide have died of bird flu as of 10/10/05. 500 die each day in america from lung cancer.
 
2005-11-01 04:03:37 PM  
Wow, is it even possible to godwin the news story before the thread?
 
2005-11-01 04:03:49 PM  
TubamanRH:
KazamaSmokers: That's it. I'm going to be in my Landmaster if anyone wants me.
I know now that I want one of those.


I'd rather have the EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle from Stripes.
 
2005-11-01 04:03:51 PM  
Die mother farker! Die mother farker! Die mother farker! Die!

Will you all farking die all ready.
 
2005-11-01 04:04:15 PM  
Bird flu pandemic that doesn't actually exist yet now being compared to nuclear holocaust

In all fairness, there hasn't been a nuclear holocaust yet either. So reall, they are on the same level, in a sort of really-twisted-logic, Gowain-forgot-to-take-his-medicine sort of way.
 
2005-11-01 04:04:28 PM  
Ridiculous. The "expert" in the article is Laurie Garrett. She is a well known socialist who uses her fear-mongering books to push her agenda of income redistribution and social medicine in America.

No thanks, Laurie Garrett.
 
2005-11-01 04:04:29 PM  
Chicken and cover everyone!
 
2005-11-01 04:05:27 PM  
in related news.......people that invested in firearms and biological rated chem suits seem to be more relaxed than the standard citizen.
 
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