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(The Australian)   USA totally against free trade when people compete with them yet demands free trade when they want to sell something   ( divider line
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2002-05-03 08:49:50 AM  
The UN, another flamebait issue. We should relocate the UN to Gary, Indiana or the middle of some remote corn field. I'm sure New Yorkers wouldn't miss all those Diplomats wasting space.
2002-05-03 08:50:17 AM  
Well obviously anyone who disagrees with Bush is a irrational communist who hates America.
2002-05-03 08:51:42 AM  
Don't feel like you're the only one Australia. The US has continually farked Canada over softwood lumber imports. Their industry is inefficient compared to Canadians so they keep lobbying the US gov't to impose sky high tarriffs, even though they have lost their case THREE times in international & WTO courts over the last 20 years. So what do they do when they lose? They slap on a new tarriff with slightly different wording and fark the Canadians again and again.

This is now the FOURTH time they've done this. And they know that they're going to lose again. Thing is... they don't give a fark. They'll keep doing it so that in the interim, Canadian logging companies continue to go out of business because of the illegal tarriffs.

And before some of you redneck, trolling Americans make stupid comments, realise that because of your so called "free market, free trade loving" government, a new home will cost an average of $1500 more because your government caves in to softwood lumber lobbying groups.

When the US blatantly violates treaties that they signed because everything doesn't work out in their favour, it REALLY makes the international community react to American arrogance with disgust.
2002-05-03 08:51:58 AM  
Aaahh, Harmonia, good to see you.

*throws some more gasoline on the flames*
2002-05-03 08:52:27 AM  
"anyone who disagrees with Bush is a irrational communist"

"turbofish - do you pray to allah..."

It seems so.
2002-05-03 08:53:56 AM  
*throws some more gasoline on the flames*

I wish I could afford to throw gasoline around.
2002-05-03 08:54:04 AM  
Canada and the United Kingdon are really just part of the American Empire. We let those countries have elections but all of the canidates are controled by the US government.
2002-05-03 08:55:19 AM  
The reason the US was attacked was because as usual they got in the middle of things that had nothing to do with them. The US needs to stop trying to fix everyone's problems with their own policy. Clinton tried very hard to mediate a solution between Palestine and Isreal, but the fact is he probably shouldn't have. The middle east sees the US as a hostile force that shows up and kills people every 5 years or so. Iran, Iraq, etc. etc. Peace keeping is one thing, you guys go over and pick a side and commence the beatings.

Yes fundamentalist religion is a major problem, but your foreign policy was definetly a catalyst.

Islam itself is not the problem either. Simply one group of muslims. Just like fundamentalist christians are dangerous too. But don't get me started on that.
2002-05-03 08:55:26 AM  
2002-05-03 08:56:48 AM  
Yeah - a Doonesbury poll - those results will be honest and objective.
2002-05-03 08:57:42 AM  
hey I dont have a clue who this guy is
2002-05-03 08:57:55 AM  
Canada and the United Kingdon are really just part of the American Empire. We let those countries have elections but all of the canidates are controled by the US government.

Your right!
Thats why when I attended a constituencey meeting last week there were guys with black cowboy hats on in the back of the room. (or maybe they were Reform party spies***this is a Canadian in joke)
2002-05-03 08:58:43 AM  
so lemme get this straight. the EU and the rest of the world is allowed to subsidize their farmers and their industry out the ass and when the US does it, it we are some big horrible anti free trade guys.

must be nice for other countries to have someone convenient to blame their underproductive crappy assed economies on.
2002-05-03 08:59:35 AM  
You are my hero.

OK, I am really slow here...Subsidies to our farmers, encouraging them to not grow crops, hurts free trade how?

Trust me, other countries do it too.
Look at Canada and thei Hothouse tomato. They are selling tomatoes for less than the cost to produce them. How do they do that?
2002-05-03 09:00:47 AM  
We are infidels. We need to die.

We Americans are the richest, biggest and most handsome kids on the block. We are once again, infidels.

We Americans make wonderful posterchildren for these fundamentalists re: what is wrong with the world. Hence - America becomes a target.

Why do assassins such as Oswald, Booth and Hinckley attempt to off the President and not the Postmaster General? Because when you want to make a statement or proclaim yourself as a viable entity, you start at the top.
2002-05-03 09:00:55 AM  
The U.S. farmer is little more than a box of Pampers away from being a welfare mother.
2002-05-03 09:01:46 AM  
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2002-05-03 09:02:19 AM  

Then it would seem to me that it would be time to get out of the farming business.
2002-05-03 09:04:37 AM  
Look at Canada and thei Hothouse tomato. They are selling tomatoes for less than the cost to produce them. How do they do that?
We're not telling!

Hot house tomatoes are the best! .99 a pound and I don't have to buy those crappy wooden tomatoes from California at $1.99
2002-05-03 09:06:38 AM  
Go for it. Just don't complain about unfair trade practices and government subsidies then.
2002-05-03 09:07:04 AM  
Why do you hate America so much?
2002-05-03 09:09:39 AM  
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2002-05-03 09:10:34 AM  
I have always wondered about that. Paying farmers not to farm. I want to do this. Do I make more money if I don't grow different products? If so, since this is my first year of not farming, I think that I will not farm tomatos, corn, wheat and soy. If it works out well, next year I will not raise cows and pigs in addition to my non-existent crops. I should be able to retire pretty quick from the not farming business... Does anyone know which kind tomatos pay more for not being farmed? I don't want to make a rookie mistake and not farm the wrong kind. Know what I mean?
2002-05-03 09:11:02 AM  
Canada's agriculture minister Lyle Vanclief said the US Bill would hurt America's credibility in world trade talks.

Wasn't already down the shiathole aside from the steel tarrifs?

2002-05-03 09:12:37 AM  
space moose

If I was selling something and my compition was charging $1500 more I would raise the price $1400. You will still get the sale and make more money. Free trade only works if everyone is smart.
2002-05-03 09:12:42 AM  
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2002-05-03 09:14:03 AM  
For those of you who don't know me, normally I'm so pro American that I piss off my fellow Canadians; but I tell you, this little farm subsidy is the second indication in a policy shift that should throw up major flags for anybody on the right.

What part of Free Trade do these people not get?
2002-05-03 09:14:16 AM  
Spiritauthor, I don't think you understand how it works.
2002-05-03 09:14:22 AM  
Hey, that Canadian tomato thing is interesting. I'd like to hear the Canadian side.
2002-05-03 09:17:46 AM  
Back on topic.

First I cant blame the US for subsidies to its farmers (although its very very hypocritical) because the EU does the same thing, we put billions of euro's into farming. But all within agreement with the WTO, so if the US wants to be more competative let them, but also let the WTO decide if they have the right to do it. Just like the steel.

The worst part is that these kind of actions are indeed a step back, and will hurt global trade and especially poor countries. If some parts of the US economie is not strong enhough, let them fix it by becoming healthy again not fat from subsidies. Trade protection made wallstreet crash.

But the worst part of the whole protection thing is, that the west, US, EU, AU,etc do the same thing to developing countries, all under the name of the Worldbank, which mostly is controlled by the US. The worldbank helps developing countries to open up theire market, so the west can steal all the resources, while keeping theire own markets closed. Thus never letting the developing countries grow to become full-worthy trade partners, and keeping them poor. And poverty is our biggested enemy, it will breed fundies, diseases, pollution, etc and fat Americans.
2002-05-03 09:17:55 AM  
05-03-02 08:02:11 AM Christian Bale
Will there be a country left that Dubya hasn't massively offended? Stay tuned.

And the other Farkers possting the Bush crap.

Read this part of the article: The US Bill, passed by 280 votes to 141, boosts funding for subsidies and a range of environmental programs by $US73 billion

I did not know Bush got 421 votes. Maybe you should put the blame on congress.
2002-05-03 09:19:01 AM  
Considering the US get's a sizable chunk of it's electric power from Canada I say we just cut off the juice until they smarten up on the softwood lumber.
2002-05-03 09:19:24 AM  
Its funny to see average American consumers backing this current path of protectionism that Bush has chosen for them. No subsidising american farmers will not make your food cost any less despite your tax dollars going to help make it. You will now eat more american food sure, but only because american farms who can't produce the food as efficiently as elsewhere are being helped out with your tax dollers.

Your lumber prices will also be going up. Why? Because your ineffiecient lumber industry needs to be protected from competition also. Instead of forcing lumber related companies to become more efficient and compete you get expensive lumber prices instead. Same for steel.

Basically Bush has decided for you to subsidize any US industry that is ass backward with the tax dollers of those industries that have their shiat together... all at the expense of the american consumer (and the respect of the other countries around the world, but we all know americans don't care about that)
2002-05-03 09:19:33 AM  
Guy posting cartoons - I have HTML chops too:

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2002-05-03 09:20:03 AM  
(Homer on Canada):
Why should we leave America just to go to America, Jr.?
2002-05-03 09:20:21 AM  
KunDomo: Very, VERY well put.
2002-05-03 09:21:15 AM  
Ok, so boycott trade with the US. The hallmark of a free market is that you are free to trade with whomever you like. So, if it costs too much to do business with us, don't do business with us.

I'm really sick and tired of this crap. I'm an American. You can hate me because I was born here, fine. I voted against the person who's doing this to you - and arguably so did a majority of Americans.

Do you really want the United States to completely withdraw from world affairs? I'm sure the world would unite and exist in complete harmony once the nasty, nasty Americans step aside.

In the UK, Canada and Australia, it appears that you regularly see news items critical of the US. Well, here in the US, we rarely ever hear anything negative about you. You guys must be doing a fantastic job.
2002-05-03 09:24:09 AM  
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2002-05-03 09:24:37 AM  
Very well put.
2002-05-03 09:25:04 AM  
Hey Shaggie, do you listen to John Boy and Billy?
2002-05-03 09:25:37 AM  
hey Chanle51,
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2002-05-03 09:25:55 AM  

I read your post and am confounded by one statement in particular:

"Trade protection made wallstreet crash."

How so? Remember the tulips, I mean dot coms a few years back. Wall Street began going nose-down when we ran out of 'greater fools.'
2002-05-03 09:26:07 AM  

It works like this:

The USA is constantly building. We have huge demand for softwood. We have limitted supply, and our supply costs us more. (Inefficiencies, labor costs, treehuggers).

Soft wood from Canada is plentifull and costs less. We put a tarrif on the import and limits on the supply. This protects our industry.

This may or may not be fair, this may or may not be free trade, this is however a fact. Legal or not we will not stop as we answer to no international court.

My point is: If you cut less trees and charged more money you would be far better off. You would make more money, you would have more timber.
2002-05-03 09:27:49 AM  

don't get too worked up. they are just jealous of our large dong, and wish theirs was as big.
2002-05-03 09:29:38 AM  
"don't get too worked up. they are just jealous of our large dong, and wish theirs was as big."

The EU has far more potential than the US market.
2002-05-03 09:30:09 AM  
potential only gets you into the NBA, nothing else
2002-05-03 09:30:57 AM  
Why is it these arguments always degenerate into primitive penis-measuring contests?
2002-05-03 09:31:09 AM  

Don't forget the asian longhorn beetle.

In your post who is the 'you' - if one was artificially driving up prices by restricting production, it would seem to me that this would offer a golden opportunity for another firm to step in and undercut (no pun intended) the costs of the firm in question. This is assuming of course that two or three companies did not own most of the prime foresting locales.
2002-05-03 09:31:17 AM  
Clown College,
Potential and $.25 will get you a gumball. Call us when you have Actualized some of that potential.
2002-05-03 09:33:05 AM  
As an American, I can say: Bush is a moron.

Unfortunatley, I'm part of the minority here right now.

And "free trade" isn't real anyway. EVERYONE is looking to make a buck. But you do have to comprimise sometimes Mr. Bush. Sheesh.
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