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(Kubrick 2001)   2001, A Space Odyssey, in only ten minutes. Bonus: explains what the hell Kubrick was talking about   (kubrick2001.com ) divider line
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2005-10-22 08:46:06 PM  
I've never actually seen the movie, but I know that Pink Floyd's "Echoes" syncs up with the end of the movie, and that's 23 minutes long, so pfft.
 
2005-10-22 08:49:40 PM  
Take some acid. It all becomes clear.
 
2005-10-22 08:56:06 PM  
Space boobies are rectangular cuboids, but we want them anyway. Even unto death.

[image from reactron.net too old to be available]
 
2005-10-22 09:02:57 PM  
Not playing on any of the 1000+ channels I get in NYC. Pity, I like the film.
 
2005-10-22 09:12:45 PM  
The Sentinel watches us use tools, and prevent being used by the tools. Then the Sentinel watches us handle death.

Makes me want to find Peter Hyams and slap him around for making "2010" so Cold-War style.
 
2005-10-22 09:18:14 PM  
If you couldn't get it from just watching the movie, something's wrong.
 
2005-10-22 09:32:14 PM  
Man uses tools. Tools begin to use man. Man conquers and overcomes the need for tools. I don't see the end as man conquering death (or even dying), but just being reborn to a higher evolutionary plane or consciousness. I also don't believe that the monolith was placed by "supernatural" beings, but was placed by the very same futuristic "reborn" humans represented by the Starchild. In that sense, the monolith is a symbol of the human spirit and all the potential of the human race beginning with our very origin as primitive beings (which is why the monolith is with humankind at every level of evolution). It is a mystery only because the human spirit is a mystery...until we reach the Starchild stage of spiritual enlightenment. Whether you believe this occurs after death or at some later period in human evolution is up to you.
 
2005-10-22 10:35:35 PM  
loved it.
 
2005-10-22 10:57:35 PM  
This helps explain the movie even more than the book does.
 
2005-10-22 11:08:11 PM  
Never got the movie, particularly the ending, and then I read the book. Book made everything clear. Then, knowing what actually was supposed to be happening, saw the movie again. There is no farking way you could understand what is actually supposed to be happening in the end from the footage that Kubrick put on screen. He's made some great movies, but he really blew it at the end of 2001.
 
2005-10-22 11:10:50 PM  
They ruined a perfectly good "computer goes crazy" sci-fi movie, by slapping a goofy lightshow on the end instead of a plot resolution.
 
2005-10-22 11:12:47 PM  
I still don't get it, but for some I now get Barry Lyndon on a much deeper level.
 
2005-10-22 11:24:01 PM  
come on, it's not Memento for crying out loud.
 
2005-10-22 11:29:32 PM  
It's much more complicated than Memento, though, admittedly, few people who see the movie really get that. It does have enough in it to be interesting to those who don't, though.
 
2005-10-22 11:31:10 PM  
It's just incredible that after living with this movie for over 35 years, I can still pick up new tidbits. No wonder it is regarded as one of the best movies ever made. I had missed the symbolism of rebirth in space - the pen, learning to walk, baby food, toilet training...

By the way I was lucky enough to see the film's premiere run at the then brand new Ziegfeld Theater in NYC. There, they passed out a flyer during the intermission. It explained that they strove for absolute realism in the technology depicted. They very, very carefully studied the science of it and regarding a particular climactic scene and they assure us that all parties consulted felt it is indeed possible to survive for up to 30 seconds in the vacuum of space.

We were still recovering from the lip-reading scene leading up to the intermission. Everybody read the flyer and said holy cow what's coming up next? Then the movie resumed...
 
2005-10-22 11:36:53 PM  
Interesting flash. Problem is, a few of their theories are directly refuted by the book. You could resolve the discrepancy if the book was written by a different autor or such, but the book and moive were both written by Arthur C. Clarke at the same time.

Specifically, the book clearly has the prehistoric monolith as a tool that chemically altered the brains of the apemen and accelerated their evolution. The monolith on the moon was a beacon, to tell the alien race when we achived space travel and managed to dig it up. The blaring radio signal when the sun hit it was not a rebuke at our lack of wonder (as stated in the flash video), but just a strong radio signal.) And the book has HAL's actions caused not by a calculation that humans are inferiour, but because of a psychosis caused by his orders to keep teh mission a sceret directly conflicting his base programming, which is to share data.

Overall, the flash video in the link is nice, but they put forward speculative theories for points that are authoritatively explained already.
 
2005-10-22 11:58:31 PM  
Interesting flash. Problem is, a few of their theories are directly refuted by the book. You could resolve the discrepancy if the book was written by a different autor or such, but the book and moive were both written by Arthur C. Clarke at the same time.

The book is not relevant in interpretation. Yes, the book as Arthur C. Clarke's vison. The screenplay was a Clarke/Kubrick collaboration; it was, in essence a different piece of art. They're two different works of art, and one does not say anything definitive about the other. The movie is the movie and the book is the book. And the director of the movie, of course, was Kubrick, and he was the one who chose the visual symbolisms, editing styles, plot progression, etc. Don't get me wrong, Arthur C. Clarke is a hell of a writer, but Kubrick gave his book a treatment of a depth well beyond the capabilities of Clarke. .

That said, I agree with your point about the Flash's take on the moon monolith. Some of what it describes is not, in my opinion, very well backed up. And it misses quite a bit, too.

HAL, IMO is there to act as a test for man. Why HAL goes crazy is immaterial -- what is material is that HAL is more human than anyone else on the ship, and that for man to "earn" his ascention to the next level, he needs to be capable of defeating his creation -- he needs to be greater than his tool.

There is also a great deal of phallic imagry in the movie. I always laugh out loud every time the moon base flower petals "open up" and the moon lander touches down... followed by an exhausted classical wind-down as the round ship on a long pedestal slowly retracts out of view. It's also no accident that the Jupiter ship looks like a giant penis and that in the end it ends up making a baby.
 
2005-10-23 12:19:19 AM  
I predict that very few Farkers will understand my following post.

Ahem.

Notice my handle...

Whooooooo

Now maybe, I should probably rta so I can add something productive.

/I also do this bit whenever Charlotte is mentioned
 
2005-10-23 12:24:36 AM  
Before I was sponsored into TF I was under the impression that TF was "full of stars"


And finally I understand the movie too, thanks to [image from img.fark.com too old to be available]
 
2005-10-23 12:33:33 AM  
3001 before you get past the friggin intro BS.
 
2005-10-23 12:34:11 AM  
HAL is just one step ahead of IBM. Besides, HAL didn't make a mistake per se, he suffers a breakdown. But that's from 2010 so it's probably cheating to bring that up.

Nice animation though. There are a lot of movies that could do with this sort of analysis -- and a lot that couldn't survive it.
 
2005-10-23 12:35:18 AM  
I prefer the 1 minute version:
HAL I'm evil. (kills astronauts)
Dave Bowman I must shut you down now, HAL.
HAL Daisy, Daisy...
Dave Bowman Now I must finish this mission alone.

(STRANGE THINGS happen, and they MAKE SENSE.)

Reader Wow. I understand the movie now.

THE END
 
2005-10-23 12:35:25 AM  
how about space odyssey in 30 seconds, and played by bunnies?
 
2005-10-23 12:36:27 AM  
Anybody out there who knows what the paintings are on the wall of Bowman's "apartment" at the end of the movie? I always wondered about that, thinking that Kubrick wouldn't just throw in whatever the prop department had lying around.
 
2005-10-23 12:39:29 AM  
Actually HAL is one step behind IBM unless you like your alphabet backwards :)
 
2005-10-23 12:40:57 AM  
JudJud: how about space odyssey in 30 seconds, and played by bunnies?

Playboy Bunnies?
 
2005-10-23 12:41:43 AM  
farked
 
2005-10-23 12:45:04 AM  
I watched this the other night on a friend's reccomendation. He usually knows what's good and what isn't, but the resulting brain cloud ensured I'd never take his advice again.
 
2005-10-23 12:46:47 AM  
I've read the books, 2001-2061. 3001 sucked hard. The Rama series was awesome until the last couple books too. Hell, Alastair Reynold's Revelation Space series rocks until the last chapter of "Absolution Gap".

Why can't any space opera authors ever end their stories well?
 
2005-10-23 12:49:07 AM  
JudJud

thanks for reminding me about angryalien

those bunnies crack me up
 
j z
2005-10-23 12:50:01 AM  
Driving Without Pants: If you couldn't get it from just watching the movie, something's wrong.

Ya right.
 
2005-10-23 12:50:21 AM  
It was not surprising that Dr Chandra was beginning to show the strain. On one celebrated occasion when Max Brailovsky innocently revived an old canard, he almost lost his temper.

'Is it true, Dr Chandra, that you chose the name Hal to be one step ahead of IBM?'

'Utter nonsense! Half of us come from IBM and we've been trying to stamp out that story for years. I thought that by now every intelligent person knew that H-A-L is derived from Heuristic ALgorithmic.'

Afterward, Max swore that he could distinctly hear the capital letters.
 
2005-10-23 12:52:30 AM  
frankmanhog: And the book has HAL's actions caused not by a calculation that humans are inferiour, but because of a psychosis caused by his orders to keep teh mission a sceret directly conflicting his base programming, which is to share data.


I don't remember if this was from the movie or one of the books, but wasn't another part of Hal's problem the fact that he had been instructed that the mission had to succeed at all costs, and this conflicted with his programming when he began to think the humans were going to jeopardize the mission?

Either way, I think 2001 is supposed to evoke different reactions/interpretations from different people, or even just between different viewings. I know that every time I watch I get something else out of it/realize I had some other part wrong.
 
2005-10-23 12:53:01 AM  
ragingchihuahua
I've read the books, 2001-2061. 3001 sucked hard. The Rama series was awesome until the last couple books too.

Because Clarke didn't Rama II onwards. Gentry Lee wrote most of it, and he sucked. It started to improve, but it never got back to the simple quality of Rendezvous. Also, would Clarke have come up with a dumb name like "octospider"?

DaNightTripper
Man uses tools. Tools begin to use man. Man conquers and overcomes the need for tools.

Sorry, but I have to do this...

In recent future, tools use you?
 
2005-10-23 12:53:27 AM  
Stormneedle

Not true. If you read the books you learn what it really stands for.
 
2005-10-23 12:56:22 AM  
chakalakasp: There is also a great deal of phallic imagry in the movie. I always laugh out loud every time the moon base flower petals "open up" and the moon lander touches down... followed by an exhausted classical wind-down as the round ship on a long pedestal slowly retracts out of view. It's also no accident that the Jupiter ship looks like a giant penis and that in the end it ends up making a baby.

Did you noticed that Congress building looks like giant boobie?
 
2005-10-23 12:57:56 AM  
JudJud: how about space odyssey in 30 seconds, and played by bunnies?


That would be awesome!
 
2005-10-23 12:58:19 AM  
Kubrick made half-good, half-bad movies like a mofo.

/except with Eyes Wide Shut - that was all bad
 
2005-10-23 01:00:45 AM  
Ten Minutes? So far I've spent about 20 minutes waiting for it to load and i've only seen 1 of the 4 chapters...
 
2005-10-23 01:04:44 AM  
You got to see a chapter?


I need to get totalfark.
 
2005-10-23 01:05:12 AM  
would everyone stop trying to watch this at the same time? My computer won't load part IV!

/I was here first!
 
2005-10-23 01:07:00 AM  
Nicole Kidman's fine lookin' beav was worth the whole Eyes Wide Shut thing.
 
2005-10-23 01:07:20 AM  
I didn't mind Rama II... beyond that it went downhill fast.

OTOH IMO (IIRC, IANAL, etc.) Gentry Lee seemed to have missed the whole point, which was that we were so insignificant Rama couldn't give a crap about us... it was just using our sun as a waypoint before moving on. Plus we didn't have even the slightest framework to determine its purpose, because it was *Really* alien, not just forehead-alien.
 
2005-10-23 01:08:45 AM  
Cool, but doesn't top a one minute version in Lego.
One: A Space Odyssey
 
2005-10-23 01:09:16 AM  
Chouinard1981

Yeah, I think I lucked out. It's been trying to load Chapter 2 for about ten minutes now. I just clicked it again to make something happen. It says it's only 70k, that is just pathetic that it takes so long...
 
2005-10-23 01:10:27 AM  
I also don't believe that the monolith was placed by "supernatural" beings, but was placed by the very same futuristic "reborn" humans represented by the Starchild.

Then how do you explain the voices in the background before David Bowman died? To me it very much represented an alien or supernatural beings looking on and commenting at the human in the menagerie. Much like when we visit the animals at the zoo.

Also keep in mind that after David kills HAL, the video starts to play and basicly states that they were lied to and that HAL as well had lied to them. Humans using other humans as tools simply to carry out their tasks. This also shows how far this evolutionary halt had gone.

That Flash was very well done. It did in 10 minutes what i could never do in 30. (...mostly cause the people i explain it to have NEVER seen it and don't want to)
 
2005-10-23 01:11:46 AM  
Little known fact:

The woman who played Poole's mother in the film 2001 was the voice of Faline, Bambi's girlfriend.
 
2005-10-23 01:13:14 AM  
That was excellent. Thanks submitter.
 
2005-10-23 01:13:29 AM  
it seems to do lots of nothing for long periods
 
2005-10-23 01:13:50 AM  
What the fark is up with the goddamn screaming monkey??!?!?

Make it farking stop!!!
 
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