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(Yahoo)   The Italian community: Popularly known for starting the mob, not so much for still living with mom and dad at age 40   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 54
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2005-10-20 11:01:46 AM
It must be a family thing.
 
2005-10-20 11:09:56 AM
Headline reminds me of a chapter in Freakonomics where it describes why crack dealers still live with mom.
 
2005-10-20 11:22:29 AM
Well, you're twenty one and still your mother makes your bed
And that's too long

But Captain Jack will get you high tonight
And take you to your special island
Captain Jack will get you by tonight
Just a little push 'n' you'll be smilin'
 
2005-10-20 12:05:10 PM
don't Italian women magically turn from hot to round short fat woman who hit you with a rolling pin at age 41?
 
2005-10-20 02:06:03 PM
I'll bite, jrsharfan. Why do crack dealers still live with their moms?
 
2005-10-20 02:07:11 PM
Tony Soprano is a great father....
 
2005-10-20 02:09:42 PM
What if you're 53 and still live with your dead mom?

clicky pop
 
2005-10-20 02:10:19 PM
CatchrNdRy [TotalFark]
"don't Italian women magically turn from hot to round short fat woman who hit you with a rolling pin at age 41? "


Dunno about that, but being half Puerto Rican, lemme tell you about Puerto Rican women: they are smoking hot until they have that first kid. Then everything goes to pot. More junk in their caboose than a CSX train. They lose their fabulous shape in no time.


But before that first kid, no finer looking women.

 
2005-10-20 02:12:25 PM
When people start on the Italians, I always think of Catch 22 and The Third Man which both contain delicious quotes concerning Italy.

And speaking of delicious, Italian cooking/opera/painting/music is second to none, IMHO.
 
2005-10-20 02:12:26 PM
I want to know the crack dealer info, too, jrsharfan.
 
2005-10-20 02:13:18 PM
Crack dealers still live with their parents because they can't afford to move out. There you go, mystery solved.
 
2005-10-20 02:13:36 PM
Mama-Mia!
 
2005-10-20 02:13:56 PM
jrsharfan
Headline reminds me of a chapter in Freakonomics where it describes why crack dealers still live with mom.
/truly a great chapter
 
2005-10-20 02:13:56 PM
I have a 24 year old cousin who still lives with his parents. Works full time, owns a 2005 Mini and a 2005 Ducati. I just figured it was a cultural thing, dunno.
 
2005-10-20 02:14:37 PM
p.s. He lives in Italy...

/duh
 
2005-10-20 02:15:56 PM
I saw many hot older women in four weeks in Italy. much higher proportion than U.S. Italian-American may get fat, but Italian-Italian women look great.
 
2005-10-20 02:17:22 PM
Only high level crack executives make any money; the johnny-on-the-street-corner dealer makes less than minimum wage.
 
2005-10-20 02:19:19 PM
If your 40 and still living with your parents in the United States, chances are you've got at least one friend named Smokey and a killer HO track in the basement...
 
2005-10-20 02:22:40 PM
I just moved out of my parents house at 25 but I own my own condo and I have a M3 that is paid off. woot
 
2005-10-20 02:23:04 PM
Sounds like something straight from the scene w/ Dennis Hopper & Christopher Walken in "True Romance"?
 
2005-10-20 02:24:08 PM
LOL, trippdogg.

I bet no one gets that but you and me.

/Wants a killer HO track.
//Doesn't live with mom.
 
2005-10-20 02:24:58 PM
I know two Italian brothers, bothin their 50s who HAVE to show up at their 90 year old mother's home (my neighbour) for breakfast and dinner. She gets very upset if they can't come over. A lot of Italian men have no choice, either marry or don't dare to move out.
 
2005-10-20 02:26:29 PM
Not that it diminishes the point, but it doesn't say anything about 40 year olds living at home with mom and dad.

The only mention of "40" is that 40 percent of men 31-34 still live at home w/parents.

/read the farking article
//not sure why
 
Slu
2005-10-20 02:28:32 PM
I thought it was common knowledge that Italians never move out from their parents' house...at least in the heavily Italian town where I grew up in Central New York (you figure it out).

My grandmother and grandfather still live (and have lived their entire marriage) with my great-grandmother and my aunt lives next door. She used to live about 2 miles away, but moved next door because it was too far...
 
2005-10-20 02:32:11 PM
Becareful, in Sicily, women are more dangerous than shotguns!
 
2005-10-20 02:32:27 PM
Julieahni
I want to know the crack dealer info, too, jrsharfan.


I read that chapter from Freakanomics a few months ago. It was a Harvard grad student that spent 2 years living with a crack dealing gang in the Robert Taylor Homes on the south side of Chicago.

Basically, there's no money in crack dealing. Since your profits are all bumped up the supply chain and since their are thousands of other people willing to do your job, there isn't much to take home. The gangs actually take detailed ledgers of what money goes in and out of the gangs. The profits are essentially bumped up to a "board of directors" (generally a consortium of different affiliated gang leaders) that makes the decisions for how the crack will be purchased and distributed. Members of the Board can expect to pull in excess of 100k a year.

The author likened it to Hollywood where a very few can rise to the top for big bucks, but the overwhelming few toil at the bottom hoping for a big break. Most actors in Hollywood like most drug dealers figure out that they're not going to make it and quit by age 30. Also, your chances of getting killed as a dealer are extremely high.

The author goes on to argue that the crime reduction we've seen the last 10+ years is partially caused by a drop in the price of cocaine, reducing the incentive to kill off rivals because the potential profits are lower.

He also finds irony in that while the suburban white kids of corporate executives wish to emulate gangsters, the gangsters themselves wish to emulate corporate executives... only with crack.
 
2005-10-20 02:35:07 PM
It is a cultural thing. The rest of the world is not like the US, people.

-IR
 
2005-10-20 02:37:14 PM
why is it considered such a bad thing if you live with your parents? i am 20 , i pay mortgage, all the bills, work full time, go to school full time..but i live with my parents... when people hears that they think of it as it is such a great sin...

i could never leave my mother especially when she needs me the most...
 
2005-10-20 02:39:16 PM
I thought the crime rate drop was due to legalized abortion
 
2005-10-20 02:39:24 PM
Wow, I was friends with a guy just like this.

Italian-American, making close to 6 figures, 30 years old, living with mom and dad (and dad was an abusive dickbag to boot, as was he). He was a total cheapskate also (as in, a 5-10% tipper) and was a little too interested in being in threesomes with me. The bad kind. He also was really into menstruation porn.

I stopped being friends with him a long time ago. I presume he's still living with the folks. Something was not right with that boy.
 
2005-10-20 02:43:18 PM
Anyone who has spent a semester abroad in Italy knows this.

Young italian men are pretty pathetic lot.
Except for the small portion that work in finance in Milan, the country is a shopkeeper economy.
The parents WILL NOT RETIRE and leave their shops.

Also, they are pretty pathetic because they ride 2 to a vespa and wear pastel colored sunglasses in discos indoors, but that is another thread.
 
2005-10-20 02:46:27 PM
How many american sitcoms are comprised of these "revelations"?

Answer: Everybody loves Raymond
 
2005-10-20 02:48:00 PM
"When they eventually become fathers, Italian women need not expect much help around the house, Istat said, adding that Italian men's dedication to domestic duties was "non-existent or unsatisfying."

I'm taking a wild guess at the "domestic duties" involved here.
 
2005-10-20 02:48:13 PM
Thanks, Rapmaseter2000.
 
2005-10-20 02:48:29 PM
FriarTuck is going to wake up with a horse's head in his bed.
 
2005-10-20 02:49:15 PM
Rapmaster2000

Sorry for the misspelling of your name.
 
2005-10-20 02:50:56 PM
I don't get it. So, you make in excess of 100K a year as a "board member", which really can't last more than a few years before one gets bumped off or ends up in jail. I really was thinking that crack or cocaine would be far more lucrative. I mean making "in excess of 100K" - which sounds like the low 6 digits to me, is respectable, but hardly sounds like living the Tony Montana lifestyle.
 
2005-10-20 02:51:32 PM
I was told once that young Italian men grow moustaches because they want to look more like their mothers.


/It's what I heard, dammit!
 
2005-10-20 02:58:47 PM
RALEX
I don't get it. So, you make in excess of 100K a year as a "board member", which really can't last more than a few years before one gets bumped off or ends up in jail. I really was thinking that crack or cocaine would be far more lucrative. I mean making "in excess of 100K" - which sounds like the low 6 digits to me, is respectable, but hardly sounds like living the Tony Montana lifestyle.


Exactly, the board is usually in prison. Still, they usually stay on the board until they're killed or quit.
 
2005-10-20 04:15:03 PM
EroticTangerines is right.

I just finished reading Freakonomics and the author points out, via four years of accounting records and rigorous application of statistics, that the dude selling rock on the street corner is making about $3.30 an hour.

/ drug dealers keeping books... who would guessed?
// McSlashy Slash
 
2005-10-20 04:15:19 PM
Azazyel,good quote.
 
2005-10-20 04:15:43 PM
RALEX
I don't get it. So, you make in excess of 100K a year as a "board member", which really can't last more than a few years before one gets bumped off or ends up in jail. I really was thinking that crack or cocaine would be far more lucrative. I mean making "in excess of 100K" - which sounds like the low 6 digits to me, is respectable, but hardly sounds like living the Tony Montana lifestyle.

I think Tony Montana's role in the drug trade was slightly more powerful than the leader of a local gang. He also sold cocaine, not crack.
 
2005-10-20 04:48:44 PM
I was in Rome and Sicily this summer. The young men are pathetic. Strutting around, looking like girlies to attract real girlies, then go home to mommies for dinner.
I know many Italian men that are still living at home in their 30's and 40's. Worse thing is that they still expect their mommies to do everything for them. No independence at all.
 
nfw
2005-10-20 05:29:52 PM
Q: What's the difference between an Italian grandmother and an elephant?

A: 20 pounds and a black dress.
 
2005-10-20 06:00:54 PM
I am an Italian-American living in Ohio. I have many, many roots in NYC, and see all my family there at least once every year.

Not counting college, I moved out of my parents house for good when I was 21. I moved about 15 minutes away in the next town, just so I could have some independence. That next year, I moved 2 hours away for a job. I am 25 now, and doing OK for myself.

My cousin who is a year younger than me, still lives at home with his parents in Staten Island. He doesn't own a car, doesn't pay rent. Kid's making a killing, and doing VERY well for himself. WHy he doesn't move out is simple, to get your own place and car in NYC, I bet he would barely break even on what he's got coming in.

Moral to this story, not all Italians live with the 'rents, but we are all still momma's boys :)
 
2005-10-20 06:36:37 PM
Guys typically live with their folks until they are married. If this never happens, then they just stay there. My tuscan reletives are excellent examples of this phenomenon.

/Livin with Nonna
 
2005-10-20 06:51:58 PM
Yah, it is worse than that story reports. I just finished living there for nine years, and almost all the guys i knew, 40 and under lived at home and if they did not, they went home every weekend and had their mothers do the laundry and prepare food for them for the week. hehe drove all their non Italian girlfriends crazy. They are farking crazy the Italians.
 
2005-10-20 06:53:37 PM
sweet, my first greenlight.
 
2005-10-20 07:07:07 PM
In Italian families, the youngest son AKA "the baby" is expected to stay at home and take care of mother after father is gone. He is not allowed to have his own family until after she is dead. Because of this, he will die long before his eventual wife, dooming his baby son to the same so-called life. In Irish families, this is the youngest daughter's job.
 
2005-10-20 07:51:17 PM
It's uncanny how every person/family of a particular race does the exact same thing.

I also find it creepy that everyone born in the same month shares the same fate.
 
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