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(AP)   New Mexico legislator who wrote the state's "Dangerous Dog Bill" attacked by his own dog. Seems the bill didn't address irony   ( divider line
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2005-10-19 03:29:19 PM  
It'll be more amusing if his dogs were either a yorkie, a chihuahua, or some small annoying lap dog.
2005-10-19 03:29:39 PM  

Wow, yeah that type of job I'm sure you get some stressed out animals. My experience is with dog shows with hundreds of different breeds so my advice was more along the lines of what to do if you see a dog barking at you in the street, and the way people should teach their children to act around strange animals.
2005-10-19 03:30:03 PM  
not ironic.

now if the dog had written the legislation,THAT would be ironic.

/or if the dog's name was bill.
2005-10-19 03:31:10 PM  
I think owning large dogs will go the way of owning and operating a flintlock rifle.
2005-10-19 03:33:04 PM  

that's why i like to see parent's allow their child to go to obedience training. the dog get's the idea early on that the child is also the alpha...

and i have all the respect in the world for someone involved with dog shows! that would stress me out!
2005-10-19 03:34:47 PM  
I am an anti-viscious-dog crusader who wants to prosecute people for having viscious dogs and I was recently attacked by my own viscious dogs.

That seems ironic to me.

Those of you who advocate the concept that causation is necessary for true irony, can you back up that assertion?

I don't think his anti-viscious-dog crusade has to be the cause of the dog attack for irony to be invoked. I could be wrong, of course.
2005-10-19 03:35:27 PM  
The really largest dogs , Dobermans, English Sheep, Irish Wolfhound, etc, tend to be the *most* docile just because the breeding would dictate that you can't have a dog that weighs more than you do showing any aggressive tendencies at *all*.
2005-10-19 03:36:00 PM  
for good or for awesome: I think owning large dogs will go the way of owning and operating a flintlock rifle.

not if i have anything to do with it

my dogs are all the protection i need
2005-10-19 03:36:20 PM  
"Vicious" has only one "s".
2005-10-19 03:36:49 PM  
Bob Schwartz is a real character, for those of us who live in NM and know his history.

He actually did some standup comedy in the local clubs and was by most accounts pretty funny.

According to a followup article in the Albuquerque Journal yesterday (not bothering to link to said article because the Journal requires a paid membership to access online materials...stupid stupid stupid!) --

-- The dog that bit Mr. Schwartz was one of his American Bulldogs.

-- Said dog is 120 pounds

-- The incident started when Mr. Schwartz tried to make the dog move off the bed. The dog didn't take well to having his comfy spot usurped by a mere human and decided to administer some canine justice.

The article stated that Mr. Schwartz is seriously considering having the dog euthanized, since he's fully aware that the dog fits the criteria of Dangerous Dog perfectly.

Haven't seen today's paper yet to see if there's a followup to yesterday's article.
2005-10-19 03:38:31 PM  

heh, yeah I grew up around dog shows for a few years. Learned from the best and saw a lot. Haven't done it in forever. Family can't really breed dogs since having to take care of grandma. However it's quite the (slightly gay) carnival atmosphere.
2005-10-19 03:39:40 PM  
there's a difference between irony and hypocrisy, right?

Would it have been ironic if he had opposed the dangerous dog legislation and then the dog bit him?
2005-10-19 03:40:11 PM  
all i have to do is look at my dog's with "the look" and they get off the bed or couch...

they hold my furniture down quite nicely
2005-10-19 03:41:48 PM  

back me up here if you don't mind...

but was "Best In Show" not the exact, total truth?

i know owner's that are exactly like the ones in the movie...and i can tell you their names, the dog's name, breed and what's wrong with dog AND owner...

i do love that movie
2005-10-19 03:41:51 PM  
Okay, I guess it could be considered "the irony of fate", but that's as far as I'm willing to go.
2005-10-19 03:42:04 PM  
Dobermans are classified as medium. There is no comparing them in size to an Irish Wolfhound, a Great Dane, a Rottie, or any truly large dog.</Dobie lover>.

Stupid morons create aggressive dogs. Stupid morons are attracted to 'mean' breeds. Outlaw one, they'll find another 'big, dangerous' dog breed that they think is cool. The problem is NOT the breed, it's the stupid people.

That being said, people need to learn how to behave around animals. People that own large animals (ie, bigger than a cat) also need to learn how to train them and to react to people that DON'T know how to behave around them. Dogs aren't people, and they don't think that way. A simple understanding of pack behavior and conditioned behavior goes a long way (that's why my min pin doesn't beg from me 1/10th what he does from my wife).

You go up and smack a big dog on the nose and get bit, that's not a sign of a vicious dog. That's a sign of a really, really stupid person.
2005-10-19 03:42:49 PM  
Hmm, like I said our old dog was an American Bulldog. She was a bit smaller probably like 70-90 pounds at most (90 being on the fat end). It's not a well-defined breed but most are like very large pitbulls. Ours was very dog-aggressive. Never showed any signs of people-aggression. Even had a horrible bark that sounded like a very loud squeek.
2005-10-19 03:43:37 PM  
Don't blame the dog, blame the owner.

And in other politcally-correct factualy-incorrect advice, if someone wants to place a timebomb in a neighborhood that should be perfectly legal, as long as we blame the owner when it goes off.
2005-10-19 03:43:40 PM  
Cats are better.

/flame on!
2005-10-19 03:45:15 PM  
kyoryu doh! my apologies I got dobie's confused with great danes for some stupid reason. I meant great danes.

You know after reading about it, maybe the problem was the dog was sleeping and he tried to shove it? There is that old phrase 'let sleeping dogs lie' but one of the few times a dog can get confused into attacking a human is if abructly awoken.
2005-10-19 03:46:36 PM  
Walken's cooler brother: now if the dog had written the legislation,THAT would be ironic.

no, that would be amazing...what with the lack of opposable thumbs.
2005-10-19 03:48:27 PM  
Heh, no biggie.

Could be on the sleeping thingie. Also I wonder if it was un-neutered male. You've gotta remind them once in a while that you're alpha.

My father's last Dobie got all growly at him shortly after he adopted him. My father thought "Oh, shiat, here we go", and wrestled the dog to the ground. Having firmly established his place as alpha, he never had another problem with the dog.
2005-10-19 03:49:02 PM  

scary scary scary truth. I think that *I* know most of the people in that movie. Maybe we should compare notes some time. My mentors were the gay guys with the malteses or whatever. Although in real life they were more known for their standard poodles.

Just too many similarities that the characters could not be based on them.

It seems that Chris Guest was lurking in the shadows in disguise all those years taking notes.
2005-10-19 03:51:44 PM  
Of course, the other dog bite story making the local Albuquerque news is the fact that one of the Sheriff's Dept. K-9 officers had to be shot by a deputy after it attacked her.

This same dog was the ummm... defendant in a lawsuit against the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Dept. He attacked a woman and allegedly damned near chewed her arm off.

illegally pasted from the journal's online articles:

Deputy Kills Dog to Get Arm Back

By T.J. Wilham
Journal Staff Writer
A Bernalillo County sheriff's dog that was shot and killed during an attack on a deputy Monday was named in a lawsuit involving a similar attack two years ago.
The deputy, Detective Heather Schreckendgust, 36, was forced to shoot the dog because it would not let go of her arm.
Schreckendgust was being treated late Monday at University of New Mexico Hospital for a "serious" bite wound to her arm. Sheriff's officials said she might have to undergo surgery.
She was not the dog's handler but part of a group of officers seeking a suspect.
The Belgian malinois, Bart, attacked her rather than the suspect.
When Schreckendgust tried to get Bart off her arm, she couldn't. She pulled her handgun and shot him. The attack lasted about 10 seconds.
"Everything happened almost instantaneous," Bernalillo County Undersheriff Sal Baragiola said.
The dog was named in a lawsuit after attacking and allegedly refusing to release a 49-year-old woman in 2003. The woman, Toni Osborn, was being chased by police. Her suit claims that the dog chewed on her arm and that an officer had to put a "shock collar" on it to get it to stop biting her.
Sheriff's officials defended Bart on Monday, calling him an "excellent dog" that served the sheriff's office well for eight years.
"Everyone right now just feels bad," said Baragiola. "We feel bad for the dog and the deputy. These dogs go into dangerous situations for us all of the time, and there is a feeling that they are a part of our law enforcement family."
Deputies were called about 9 a.m. Monday to a gas station near Isleta Boulevard and Interstate 25 by a clerk who said she saw someone being stabbed in a car, sheriff's officials said.
The car was gone by the time deputies arrived. They found it later, but the car wouldn't stop.
Deputies pursued it until it went over a ditchbank, lost control and ended up in the water near Isleta and Le SW.
Two people in the car gave themselves up, but one took off on foot, flashing a gun at deputies and causing a massive manhunt.
Several deputies arrived in the area, including Schreckendgust and K9 officer Larry Harlan, to create a perimeter around the area.
Sheriff's deputies suspected the man, whom they identified as 22-year-old Cory Ward, was hiding in vegetation.
During the search for Ward, Schreckendgust was assigned to guard some evidence near the perimeter. Harlan had Bart off his leash sniffing for the suspect.
The dog started to get a strong scent in an area near Schreckendgust and rapidly moved forward. He came out of some brush, saw Schreckendgust and attacked her. Harlan was about 20 yards behind.
Ward was not apprehended, and officers were still looking for him late Monday. Investigators determined that a stabbing never occurred, and they suspect Ward was responsible for several robberies in the South Valley area.
He had been pursued by sheriff's deputies within the past week and escaped in that instance by going down a ditchbank.
A lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court contends that about two minutes after police stopped Osborn's truck in October 2003, Bart was ordered to attack her. Osborn had led police on a 19-minute chase in which her truck tires were flattened by stop sticks.
At the time, Bart had a different handler than the one that guided him Monday.
The suit said the dog bit Osborn's arm and held on for "minutes, not seconds" while officers tried to get the dog to "stop biting and chewing the plaintiff's flesh off of her arm."
Osborn was arrested by Bernalillo city police on charges of eluding law enforcement and aggravated driving while intoxicated.
The suit says Osborn's arm has been "rendered into a sort of a weird prosthetic device, still human but dead to the touch."
A jury trial has been set for next year.
Osborn's attorney, Brad Hall, said Monday the recent incident involving Bart is likely to come up in his suit.
"One of our allegations is that the dog is not well-trained," Hall said. "Why couldn't they get this dog to stop biting my client for two minutes? I am not surprised (Monday's incident) happened."
Baragiola said Monday he could not comment on the pending litigation. He did say that it is common for police dogs to be named in suits. He also said that many suits question the decision to order the dog to bite someone, not the training of the dog.
Bernalillo County Sheriff Darren White spent time with Schreckendgust in the hospital Monday. He said his deputy, who has been with the department since 1998, was distraught over the decision she made.
"It was the last thing she wanted to do, but she felt she had no choice," White said. "No one is going to second guess her for that."
2005-10-19 03:53:47 PM  
Don't blame the dog, blame the owner.

and sometimes don't blame the dog or the owner, blame the dumbass who goes up to a strange dog without even checking to see if it's friendly or not.

My dog has bitten a few people. she's pretty cute and no one would suspect--!! But every time she bit someone, it was because they ran up to her and tried to make friends when she didn't want to make friends.
2005-10-19 03:54:36 PM  

Yes , we of course spay or neuter all our dogs that we don't intend to breed (which I think is all of them now, maybe have one or two unspayed biatches left). It's not part of proper dog training and I don't support any sort of animal abuse but there are times that a swift kick in the side can get their attention. Or with our little dogs I would just toss them across the kitchen. The dogs we used to breed were bichons and chinese cresteds btw, the larger dogs I referenced earlier were strictly pets.
2005-10-19 03:57:44 PM  
/ I don't kick my dogs but when a 60 pound bulldog is fighting a 45 pound dalmatian I'm not sticking my arm in there to break it up. Although a hose works well if nearby and also very effective if you can get the position is to grab the hind legs and lift as high as you can. Dog will immediately quit biting and wonder why the hell it is upside down.
2005-10-19 04:04:01 PM  
my dog's play fight all the time, but it never escalates to the point that i have to get off the couch to break it up
2005-10-19 04:05:31 PM  
yeah our current pit playfights with the dalmatian and I don't have to worry one bit but like I said our old dog was a bit dog-aggressive.
2005-10-19 04:05:52 PM  
"But I guess when it happens in your own family, that's another story," she said. "That's tragic."

when your dog attacks someone from another family?
That's Funny!
2005-10-19 04:06:09 PM  
you can tell the difference between when they are trying to get some exercise and trying to kill each other.
2005-10-19 04:07:14 PM  
why is it that i can't view someone's profile yet i can get all the porn pop-ups in the world....

i hate teh intarwebs

feel free to email...
2005-10-19 04:07:58 PM  
My mother owns a dalmatian/pit bull cross which she swears up and down is intelligent, though I have my doubts. We wouldn't classify her as vicious, seeing as we're smart enough to keep her in the back yard and keep the fence in good repair, so she doesn't get out and bite people. She's also terrified of the cats; when she's in the house, she stays far away from them, won't even walk by them to the food bowls.

We're glad to have left Albuquerque when we did, it would be a crying shame to put down a good guard dog. The new law sounds like it was written with good intentions, targeted to people who don't fix their fences and let their pits and rottweilers out into the neighborhood to chew on kids, but the capacity for abuse is very real. Hopefully Mr Schwartz will review his new law and see if it needs amending.
2005-10-19 04:08:19 PM  
No matter how cute they look, just remember...

[image from too old to be available]

Rottweilers eat babies.
2005-10-19 04:09:41 PM  
Rottweilers eat babies.

*rolling eyes*
2005-10-19 04:10:49 PM  
A rottie ate my baby!
2005-10-19 04:11:27 PM  

I am an anti-viscious-dog crusader who wants to prosecute people for having viscious dogs and I was recently attacked by my own viscious dogs.

That seems ironic to me.

Those of you who advocate the concept that causation is necessary for true irony, can you back up that assertion?

I don't think his anti-viscious-dog crusade has to be the cause of the dog attack for irony to be invoked. I could be wrong, of course.

you need to RTFA and notice what the bill was about.His bill did nothing to outlaw any dog breeds, what it did was make it possible to hold those who do not keep their dogs from attacking people legally responsible for their dogs actions.

I don't really see the irony because obviously someone who owns and raises aggressive dog breeds would be interested in and active on the subject of their attacks.

Irony would've been if it attacked someone else and the senator was charged for it.
2005-10-19 04:11:40 PM  
We have an American bulldog mix and a mystery pooch. The best description of the latter is that he's pretty big, and yellow, and has the look of some sort of shepherd, though no breed I've ever been familiar with. Everyone who comes over to our house who doesn't know dogs is instantly afraid of the smaller black dog because "it's a pit bull". First, it's not a pit bull. Second, that's irrelevant anyway. Third, she's about the most loving, huggy, little 75 pound ball of muscle I've ever seen, and I've lived with dogs all my life.
2005-10-19 04:14:02 PM  
Just to get this out of the way:

I work for a pit bull.

So I am getting a kick .

Some of you are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But you do not.

Sweet noodly appendage, this cliche was never funny in the first place.

Who do we have to blow to get the Quaker guy back?
2005-10-19 04:15:13 PM  

thanks for spelling that out for us

can we go back to our finger painting now?

2005-10-19 04:16:50 PM  
dan131m: Some of you are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But you do not.

oh really?

do tell
2005-10-19 04:21:07 PM  
I'd like to add that I'll never own a small dog, unless maybe when I'm an old man and don't have the energy to wrestle a 100+ pounder into submission. Little dogs are annoying and in my experience tend to be less good around people and other dogs than their bigger cousins.

/Wants a Newfoundland real bad
//Needs a stable first
2005-10-19 04:25:19 PM  
i'm too used to having big dogs, i would step all over a little one

and i have seen more aggressive small dogs than big ones over the last 15 years

only one aggressive pit, btw
2005-10-19 04:25:55 PM  

it's the latest stupid cliche. that's what the end was about
2005-10-19 04:27:54 PM  
unlike most TF's...i don't do cliches...

all of them are stupid
2005-10-19 04:28:02 PM  
little dog's are definitely meaner it's just noone goes to the hospital from being bit by a 10 pound dog so it's not reported. Although we did used to have one bichon biatch that had a tendency to leap up and bite men in the crotch that was sort of funny.
2005-10-19 04:32:37 PM  
This type of legislation is not necessary up north.

[image from too old to be available]

By the way, which dog did James Coburn play?
2005-10-19 04:33:33 PM  
ok..i'm outta here

y'all have a good day

and be nice to animals...

or you will end up on Fark as a headline and we will all make fun of you

2005-10-19 04:36:24 PM  

I also just want to give props to you and all the vets and vet techs. It's amazing what you guys do these days. I have a chinese crested and she had both corneas seperate some congenital defect (that breed is all genetic freaks anyway, well at least the half of them that don't have hair). I thought she would be blind. She lost one eye but they were able to take her to a doggie opthamalogist specialist that was able to save the other eye so now I have a one-eyed hairless 2-toothed purebred. She could almost compete with that 'ugliest dog' evil demon poor looking thing. She never missed a beat though. You'd be amazed how fast she navigates around.

The hairless chinese cresteds are genetic mutation freaks. The one's with hair (aka powderpuff) (such as previously mentioned biatch's mother) are actually really cool toy lapdogs with completely different demeanors and a lack of horrible health problems. How many of each you get in a litter is a pure function of genetics but people have to keep the powderpuffs to keep some genetic robustness to the breed and they keep the hairless ones for the circus freak effect I guess.
2005-10-19 04:40:05 PM  
I own an American Pit Bull Terrier. I have no problem with vicious animal legislation that makes owners responsible for their pets (ALL pets, not just dogs). A pet is an extension of yourself, and if you can't control it you should pay the consequences for your lack of control. Breed specific legislation is unfair to responsible pet owners.

In reply to the comment "I could always spot the vicious ones. (Their owners got the choke collars with the spikes on the inside...)"

I own a pinch collar and my APBT is not "vicious". He gets extremely excited when he meets new people and animals, and the pinch collar helps me control him so he can calm down and meet these people in calm environment where no one gets spooked. It is also a great way to train dogs who pull on the leash too much when you're walking them.
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