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(Fox News)   Pentagon now denies reports that the teleconference between President Bush and troops in Iraq was staged   (foxnews.com) divider line 584
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2005-10-14 03:53:26 PM
Yeah, I tell my 4 year old all kinds of things so she'll be quiet.
 
2005-10-14 03:54:44 PM
We also found yellowcake in Botswana and an Iraqi said New York was going to be blown up by babies with nuclear weapons and Bush really did indeed serve in the 'Nam.
 
2005-10-14 03:58:09 PM
Well, hell. Forget the evidence. There are enough people who have invested enough trust in the administration that they'll believe anything.
 
2005-10-14 03:58:50 PM
And if they didn't know what Bush was going to ask, why were they practicing who to hand the mike to.

SURE.

They told the groundpounders what they 'might' expect, but it was more a rehersal to make the Prez. look good.

For crying out loud, even if they hadn't been given the answer how was this situation any better than his 'free-form' 'town-council' meetings he had filled with ringers?

/stupidheads
 
2005-10-14 03:59:37 PM
Wierd. Did they see the same video I did?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-10-14 04:02:32 PM
Based on the linked article, it sounds like they expected certain types of questions and prepped individuals to handle each one, making the event neither scripted (staged) nor spontaneous.
 
2005-10-14 04:04:06 PM
Trust your government. Iraq was really about WMDs.
 
2005-10-14 04:05:08 PM
Sweet Zombie Jebus!
These people would deny that water is wet while washing blood off of their hands.
 
2005-10-14 04:05:12 PM
ZAZ: Based on the linked article, it sounds like they expected certain types of questions and prepped individuals to handle each one, making the event neither scripted (staged) nor spontaneous.

Bingo. I think that falls far short of staged.
 
2005-10-14 04:05:24 PM
ZAZ: Based on the linked article, it sounds like they expected certain types of questions and prepped individuals to handle each one, making the event neither scripted (staged) nor spontaneous.


I don't know about you, but to me, when someone is prepped for a certain question, then you go to who passes the microphone to whom, that sounds like the person doing the prep'ing knows in what order those questions are going to be asked.

And that, to me, sounds like a staged event...or if you don't think it is, what more needs to be done to have made it 'staged'.

And you all think they just randomly picked some schlubs from the line and said, 'you, you, and you, get to be interviewed by the Prez.' Right.
 
2005-10-14 04:06:08 PM
 
2005-10-14 04:06:46 PM
Liar faces.
 
2005-10-14 04:08:12 PM
It wasn't staged at all. The camera crew was walking around, and saw 11 soldiers just sitting there, so they said, "Hey, you guys want to talk to the President? I'll call my producer in the states and he'll call the White House and see if George has a few minutes to jump on camera and talk to you guys".

Of course it was staged. Did anyone think or pretend that this was an impromptu event?
 
2005-10-14 04:09:12 PM
Of course it was staged. Did anyone really expect it not to be? Especially after that soldier asked Rumsfeld about the up-armored Humvees???
 
2005-10-14 04:10:05 PM
BearToy: These people would deny that water is wet

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
 
2005-10-14 04:10:23 PM
Why isn't anybody outraged that Presidential debates are totally staged? We never get to hear anyone of any importance in a real debate. I wish we did, because it would at least keep people who sound like idiots out of the White House.
 
2005-10-14 04:11:02 PM
st_gulik: And that, to me, sounds like a staged event...or if you don't think it is, what more needs to be done to have made it 'staged'.

To me, staged would be something like "OK, the President is going to ask this specific question. Jimmy, you'll take that question, and here are the talking points you are expected to hit on in your response."

Like ZAZ said, it certainly wasn't spontaneous, though, either. But this is a non-starter -- you've really got to want this one to be true to see it.
 
2005-10-14 04:11:25 PM
Well, Bush did this...

I still haven't seen it proven that the quesions were staged. Just that the people vetted to participate supported the war.


So, shouldn't there be more outcry over this?
 
2005-10-14 04:11:40 PM
Did anyone think or pretend that this was an impromptu event?

Exactly. I don't understand what the big deal is. Everything is produced, everything.
 
2005-10-14 04:12:27 PM
So shouldn't people be upset about this?


was cut out the last post for some reason
 
2005-10-14 04:16:20 PM
Crooks and Liars (pops) has some video of the media actually exercising some of their spine.

They're clearly being coached.
 
2005-10-14 04:17:28 PM
This is really a non-issue. Most of the armed forces seem to support Bush (I have no idea why), and it is unlikely that they would have said anything that would have embarassed the prez.

With Bush, everything is prepared carefully, partially because he has a good media machine and partially because he seems to lack the mental resources needed to speak extemporaneously on anything of substance.
 
2005-10-14 04:18:28 PM
Teekno
To me, staged would be something like "OK, the President is going to ask this specific question. Jimmy, you'll take that question, and here are the talking points you are expected to hit on in your response."

That is exactly what happened.
 
2005-10-14 04:19:30 PM
Of course it was staged. Did anyone think or pretend that this was an impromptu event?

Uh, the White House billed it as impromptu/unstaged. I think that's why this is a news story.

/just trying to help
 
2005-10-14 04:20:30 PM
vernonFL: That is exactly what happened.

We've seen different video, then. Can you point me to a transcript of the one you saw?
 
2005-10-14 04:21:04 PM
Crooks and Liars (pops)
 
2005-10-14 04:21:07 PM
Wow. I mean, the white house is learning from reality TV.

I'm shocked.

No I'm not.

0ok
 
2005-10-14 04:21:16 PM
Since this "incident" won't have any affect on the political landscape at all, the only positive thing I can see coming from this is that the usual suspects will have something else to whine about.

Whining, my friends, is the cheapest therapy of all.
 
2005-10-14 04:21:41 PM
it's very similar to the jessica lynch thing - the administration were attempting to manipulate public perception concerning the war. it was staged, it was a pr stunt, and yet it was sold as objective

possibly the greatest worry is that some 'patriotic' americans are so brainwashed as to believe that this kind of event could represent anything other than propaganda - of course the administration's genera'ly, and mclellan's specifically, bs only helps to serve that distortion
 
2005-10-14 04:22:09 PM
This is dumb. The soldiers could've said whatever they wanted on air. They could've said Bush was a lying douche bag if they wanted. Of course everyone's trying to put their best foot forward, so they're going to pick the guys who will say the right thing and not give the Pres a hard time.

I'm not getting my panties in a bunch over this when the Bush admin. was able to shrug off the Gannon scandal so easily. That, IMHO, is a much much bigger deal. I realize most people can't stand Bush and generally I'm pretty happy about that, but it's sort of too little too late, especially from the media.
 
2005-10-14 04:22:16 PM
BooBoo23: Crooks and Liars (pops)

Uh, I think that you lied about the (pops) part.
 
2005-10-14 04:22:28 PM
chakalakasp: Uh, the White House billed it as impromptu/unstaged. I think that's why this is a news story.

Impromptu and unstaged are not the same thing.

Impromptu would be if there happened to be a satellite link between DC and Iraq, and at the exact same moment, the President walked by one screen, the soldiers walked by the other, they looked at each other and said "what the hell, let's have a media event."

The definition of unstaged is all over the map in this thread.
 
2005-10-14 04:22:48 PM
tryptik:

and it is unlikely that they would have said anything that would have embarassed the prez.

Remember the armor/humvee question VernonFL mentioned above? That was a hoot.

In other news, looks like either I am teh suck at html today or something's stripping out links to Crooks and Liars.
 
2005-10-14 04:23:58 PM
 
2005-10-14 04:24:21 PM
Teekno

Did you read the article?

"OK, so let's just walk through this," Barber said. "Captain Kennedy, you answer the first question and you hand the mike to whom?"

"Captain Smith," Kennedy said.

"Captain. Smith? You take the mike and you hand it to whom?" she asked.

"Captain Kennedy," the soldier replied.

And so it went.

"If the question comes up about partnering how often do we train with the Iraqi military who does he go to?" Barber asked.

"That's going to go to Captain Pratt," one of the soldiers said.

"And then if we're going to talk a little bit about the folks in Tikrit the hometown and how they're handling the political process, who are we going to give that to?" she asked.
 
2005-10-14 04:24:21 PM
21-7-b

Don't you ever get tired of sounding pretentious?

No, wait. I know the answer. Prattle away.
 
2005-10-14 04:24:43 PM
BooBoo23: Crooks and Liars (pops)


Oh, so now you're a flip-flopper! =)
 
2005-10-14 04:25:25 PM
In other news...

Today the Bush administration announced that grass is mauve and the sky is chartreuse. An Administration spokesman was quoted as saying "anyone who says otherwise is helping the terrorists to succeed"
 
2005-10-14 04:26:03 PM
what's up attackbeta, am i spoiling your party again? pesky truth - tut
 
2005-10-14 04:26:29 PM
vernonFL: Did you read the article?

Yes, I did. I assume you didn't actually read what I said. Did you?

Didn't think so.

To recap, I think "staged" would mean informing them of specific questions the president was going to ask, and providing specific answers. From all of the media reports I've seen (including the one linked here that you claim to have read), that just didn't happen.
 
2005-10-14 04:27:09 PM
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk: Oh, so now you're a flip-flopper! =)

I see the above html fubar as proof positive that I should leave work early and begin drinking in anticipation of going out to see GWAR tonight.
 
2005-10-14 04:28:48 PM
Teekno

I misunderstood you. Sorry.
 
2005-10-14 04:29:37 PM
BooBoo23: I see the above html fubar as proof positive that I should leave work early and begin drinking in anticipation of going out to see GWAR tonight.

LOL!
 
2005-10-14 04:29:57 PM
My script calls for vodka over ice.
 
2005-10-14 04:30:41 PM
vernonFL: I misunderstood you. Sorry.

It's OK. You know someone's going to claim that our exchange was completely staged, though.
 
2005-10-14 04:31:27 PM
Captains, eh? Career soldiers, eh? Yeah...these captains not knuckling under to their superiors who ordered them to stick to the party line.
 
2005-10-14 04:31:43 PM
teekno: they had obviously gathered together a group of people for the purpose of selling the war and providing specific answers (designed to portray the war in the most positive light possible), to specific pro-this-war questions. if that isn't staged, what is?
 
2005-10-14 04:31:44 PM
Remember the armor/humvee question VernonFL mentioned above? That was a hoot.

Actually, I am unfamiliar with that. I get my impression of the military from my frined in the Air Force and people I talked to while in SD. I usually get a very hardline, anti-liberal media stance.
 
2005-10-14 04:32:16 PM
nbrfwhoooo: Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Kinky.
 
2005-10-14 04:32:53 PM
For the record, I have no doubt that these soldiers were chosen specifically for their media qualities, at least. Certainly, they wouldn't have been chosen if it was thought that they'd embarrass the military.
 
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