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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Robot VW wins 132-mile race, simultaneously sets world record for VW traveling furthest without a mechanical problem   (suntimes.com) divider line 194
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NTF
2005-10-10 01:21:14 PM
First person who says they work for VW gets a cockpunch.
 
2005-10-10 01:21:33 PM
Drivers not needed.
 
2005-10-10 01:21:50 PM
I hope they broadcast this next year.
 
2005-10-10 01:21:56 PM
Snarf. I drive a VW. It's my second one and I've had nothing to compain about with either. Headline = BS. Mkay THNX!
 
2005-10-10 01:22:13 PM
4th post! *maybe?*
 
2005-10-10 01:23:29 PM
Tinton

Fifth actually.....
 
2005-10-10 01:23:53 PM
So, is Herbie out of a job now? And, if so, does that also apply to Lindsay Lohan?
 
2005-10-10 01:24:05 PM
VW's are streotypically horrible cars. I don't care how much mileage on your Jetta, they're still the worst German cars.


/Yuppies !
 
2005-10-10 01:24:07 PM
The headline is true, at least for me.

My wife's bug breaks down regularly, and thanks to German engineering I usually can't fix it. They make everything so messed up that only the dealer can fix it (for a slightly higher than reasonable price).

Example? Changing a battery requires taking most of the front end off.
 
2005-10-10 01:24:17 PM
''This is no longer a hobby,'' said Anthony Tether, director of the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which organized the race. ''We're talking about technology that has a real mission.''

What if people at the Pentagon's Defense Advance Research Projects Agency took their heads out of their asses and did something more productive, they're starting to remind me of NASA.
 
2005-10-10 01:25:06 PM
Ba-Zing.
 
2005-10-10 01:25:48 PM


Whatever...I got ridden by Lindsey Lohan when she was still teh hawt!
 
2005-10-10 01:25:55 PM
Headline uses no "looking for hippy Sarah Conner" reference. Minus 10 points.

/meh
 
2005-10-10 01:26:02 PM
Unsilent Majority:
What if people at the Pentagon's Defense Advance Research Projects Agency took their heads out of their asses and did something more productive, they're starting to remind me of NASA.

Unmanned supply crawlers would be pretty useful in war, dontchathink.
 
2005-10-10 01:26:08 PM
I used to work for a VW dealership as a lowly cashier, but I don't have a cock.

A lot of models have lots of problems. If you own a Jetta made between 2000 and 2003 I don't envy you. I also don't envy you Touareg owners...$90 for an oil change?!?

/drives a 96 Jetta
//with a tape deck
///and a slowly deteriorating clutch
 
2005-10-10 01:26:43 PM
NTF

First person who says they work for VW gets a cockpunch.


Thank you, oh thank you, NTF.
 
2005-10-10 01:27:22 PM
I've had my GTI for 2 years, no mechanical problems but all the seat adjustment knobs keep falling off.
 
2005-10-10 01:27:24 PM
My dad had a Passat and my two sisters had Jettas, one diesel. VWs are poop and I would never buy one.

2000 Passat - engine caught fire(dad put it out with his hands), had rental for 1 month that VW refused to pay for.
- breaks replaced once
- fuel injection broke, told we would have to wait a month for a part. Sold the car with over 100 k miles

2001 Diesel Jetta - brakes replaced twice
- transmission replaced twice
- dealer fixing it got into an accident
- power steering broke - sold in August
 
2005-10-10 01:27:36 PM
Unfortunately, this headline does not set the record for longest without a grammatical problem.
/Farthest
 
2005-10-10 01:27:48 PM
I have a VW and they suck. Timing belt broke early, control arms were shot after 75k miles and a flange eroded causing me to overheat two weeks ago. Crap cars.
 
2005-10-10 01:28:04 PM
Unmanned supply crawlers would be pretty useful in war, dontchathink.

Apparently you never saw the previews for the Jamie Foxx fighter pilot movie.
 
2005-10-10 01:28:18 PM
mindflux: Snarf. I drive a VW. It's my second one and I've had nothing to compain about with either. Headline = BS. Mkay THNX!

it depends when they were from, for a few years (2 or 3) in the early-mid 90's vw made some shiatty cars with way to much plastic in the engine, they still have to deal with the streotype today


/my father had a '93 jetta, problem every month it seemed, he was pissed he sold his omni GLH to get that crap car
 
2005-10-10 01:29:01 PM
I'm on my third VW.

#1 - 1983 Rabbit that got me through high school and college. Sold with 172K on it and never had any issues.

#2 - 1994 Jetta. Other than a weird quirk with the transmission, never had any issues with it. Sold with over 125K on it.

#3 - 2003 Jetta GLI (24v VR6) - 30K and no issues other than the coilpacks which have always been an issue. Replaced under warranty.

Headline is B.S.
 
NTF
2005-10-10 01:29:02 PM
Sorry for the rudeness but i'm really sick of that shiat.
 
2005-10-10 01:30:00 PM
Huh? I thought VWs were supposed to be reliable? Never had one, guess I fell for that Nazi propoganda or something.
 
2005-10-10 01:30:23 PM
I work for NTF

He apologizes.

Fark Tom DeLay and all that work for him.
 
2005-10-10 01:30:31 PM
I liked this story the first time I heard it...when it was called Pearl Jam! or something...
 
2005-10-10 01:31:17 PM
even as a VW owner, i find the headline hilarious! Owned my 96 Jetta for 2 years now, twice its been sittingin the driveway for a month while I diagnose the problem.

Just don't replace any electrical part with anything but bosch, and you shouldn't have any problems.
 
2005-10-10 01:32:16 PM
VWs are pieces of shiat. Glad I'm rid of my 2001 Jetta VR6.
 
2005-10-10 01:32:37 PM
Submitter must have mistaken an Alfa Romeo or any GM-manufactured car for a VW.
 
2005-10-10 01:33:07 PM
Never had a problem with my VW Golf I had in Britain for several years. Never known anyone in Britain who has had trouble with VW. As soon as I come to the US I see two VW in trouble. I guess they just send the crappy one to the states.
 
2005-10-10 01:33:14 PM
 
2005-10-10 01:34:55 PM
My VW RULES.

1998 VW Jetta Wolfsburg, 2.0 litre 4-cylinder.

I have 73,500 miles.

Last summer I completed a road trip of some 5,000 miles. My car performed beautifully, delivering 36mpg average with 2 adult passengers, full cargo and A/C running 100% of the time.

The only problems I have had were faulty window switches, which were replaced under warranty. Just replaced all 3 belts (myself) which cost a 'whopping' $86 total. Now I should be good for another 75k miles.

VW engines run a looooong time; it is not uncommon to find VW drivers with 250K miles on their cars.

I'm quite pleased so far with my car as I've not had any major problems... which reminds me, its time to change the spark plugs.

VWs rule. Headline not so much.
 
2005-10-10 01:35:58 PM
Hmmm, 118k miles on the TDI and no problems yet.
 
2005-10-10 01:37:58 PM
For everyone who says the headline is B.S.

Seems in this report every single car VW makes made the "least reliable" list.
 
2005-10-10 01:38:01 PM
huh? we're talking VW here, not GM.

/thinking about getting a Solstice
//but waiting a year so they have a chance to fix everything that's wrong with it first
 
2005-10-10 01:38:06 PM
Never had a problem with my 97 Jetta. Sorry to break this to you, but most cars aren't inherently bad. Everyone I know has had more problems with Ford and GM than anything else.

/Japanese > German > American
 
2005-10-10 01:38:27 PM
I've found that ever VW my family has ever owned has lasted twice as long as any American car we've ever owned. I would say that the 1997 or earlier VW Jetta was about the best diesel car available. But then they switched from indirect to direct injection and farked everything up.
 
2005-10-10 01:39:29 PM
tricycleracer, I've seen that video. That's faulty ricing, not VW's fault.
 
2005-10-10 01:40:57 PM
A lot of [VW] models have lots of problems

That's what you VW owners get for buying Nazi junk!

/Godwin?
 
2005-10-10 01:41:41 PM
LagBeast

That's a GIS for "volkswagen fire". A GIS for "How to make a VW go 100 miles per hour" did not produce a suitable "Beetle flying off of a cliff" picture.
 
2005-10-10 01:42:57 PM
WTF? Vee-dubs are the only cars in existence that can be fixed with duct tape and bailing wire. expensive repairs? where the hell are you morans taking these cars to be repaired?

/had a '71 SuperBeetle...95% bondo.
 
2005-10-10 01:43:43 PM
VW's are streotypically horrible cars. I don't care how much mileage on your Jetta, they're still the worst German cars.

Sorry, you are dead wrong. Not only do I currently have 7 German cars in the garage (all running), my mechanic has been working on German cars since the mid-70's. Except for a few oddball factory farkups (auto trans in mid 90's Jetta's for one) he will take a VW / Audi over any other German car on a reliability standpoint every time.

Im not trying to imply VWs are the most reliable cars in the world, they are not. But as far as German cars go, they are at the top of the pile. VW & Audi have been sharing platforms sice day one (and still do) so any reliability comments for one applies to the other.

Problem isnt the yuppies, they drive Volvos and SAABs. Its the hippies that buy VWs and never change the fluids. Almost every VW / Audi that has been towed into my friends shop with a seized motor has a Grateful Dead sticker on the back. I kid you not, he actually keeps track of these things.

Most reliable and bulletproof cars in the world happen to be the pre-GM SAABs and Volvos. Damn things never die unless you somehow loose all the oil. My same friend has almost 20 Volvos he services with close to or over 300,000 miles & the original drive train. A few of them with the original owner.
 
2005-10-10 01:44:55 PM
I've have a 1999 Passat, and have had no problems.

The battery died last winter, after 5 years, and I replaced it myself.

Brakes/rotors were needed after 75,000 miles.

Other than that, it has been routine maint.

Broktun | I had new wiper blades put on. I forgot about wiper blades
 
2005-10-10 01:45:19 PM
Asako: Hmmm, 118k miles on the TDI and no problems yet.

96K on my TDI. Original clutch, original brakes,.....original battery. GF's had the alternator in her Honda changed twice so far this year. Headline is stupid.
 
2005-10-10 01:45:58 PM
Owned a Jetta, wasn't too bad. Currently own an Audi. It's had it's share of problems but nothing major, thank god. BMW's, IMHO, are by far the best German cars ever.
 
2005-10-10 01:46:21 PM
my 1874 VW Earwighoppern has 200 Brazilian miles on it. The only problem i have had is that it keeps going back in time.
 
2005-10-10 01:47:21 PM
Edipis: 200 Brazilian miles

how many is a brazillian?
 
2005-10-10 01:47:36 PM
Highly reliable, and newly-styled. Behold the new Civic.
 
2005-10-10 01:47:54 PM


Just got my first VW. Triple Black Passat. LOVE IT.
 
2005-10-10 01:48:49 PM
spleef420: how many is a brazillian?

At least 20, maybe more.
 
2005-10-10 01:49:39 PM
2005-10-10 01:42:57 PM spleef420


"WTF? Vee-dubs are the only cars in existence that can be fixed with duct tape and bailing wire. expensive repairs? where the hell are you morans taking these cars to be repaired?

/had a '71 SuperBeetle...95% bondo."

Ummm, things have changed somewhat since then.
 
2005-10-10 01:50:17 PM
I have to say, I really hate the new grille (and general styling) on the new VWs (Jetta, Passat) and the Audi A4.

Until that change I would have given my left nut for an A4, but God the 2006 model is fugly and cheap-looking.
 
2005-10-10 01:50:22 PM
 
2005-10-10 01:51:05 PM
My friends GTI got runned over by an 18-wheeler. Worst part was the $6,000 bill to replace his dash after his airbags popped.

/no raindeer were harmed
//just scared shiatless
 
2005-10-10 01:51:19 PM
ignoramus

Highly reliable, and newly-styled. Behold the new Civic.

Dude, where are your rims:)
 
2005-10-10 01:51:27 PM
Meh, VW only saves the good parts for the cars sold in Europe.
 
2005-10-10 01:52:31 PM
From tricycleracer's link:

The distance the car has traveled, equivalent to about 1.7 million miles, could likewise be achieved from taking six trips to the moon and back, or driving around the planet 82 times. It is however impossible to do either of these, since cars can neither fly nor drive across oceans without extensive modification.

Was that article written by someone who's a bit intellectually-challenged, perhaps?!?
 
2005-10-10 01:54:28 PM
tidal9: Ummm, things have changed somewhat since then.

some things that will never change...DON'T take your car to the dealership for repairs, you WILL get screwed. DON'T use OEM (Obsolete Expensive Mistake) parts, you WILL get screwed.

I spent a year selling used VWs, 1 in 20 were crap as a direct result of improper care. They do hold value amazingly well though.
 
2005-10-10 01:54:32 PM
"In other news, if a 2005 Mercedes makes it to 50,000, it will likely also find a place in the museum."

Correct.
 
2005-10-10 01:58:20 PM
I have a 2000 VW Diesel Bug.

Only problem so far: the glow plug light came on. Turns out a faulty brake switch was dying, so it was good that it got replaced. Total cost: 120$, and that included an oil change cause I was getting that done at the same time.

I love my bug.... great power in the diesel models. I've taken it off road, around farmer's cow pastures mostly. I'm in the SCA and I end up dragging it through some unmowed cow pasture about twice a month. No issues, although once it was a nasty piece of work to get it out of a big ditch. (Stupid high weeds....)

I get 56 miles to the gallon on the highway. 42 in city. I fill up about once every three weeks, unless I'm road tripping for fun. Then it's about once for a 6 hour trip to portland and back.

Headline is retarded....

I had a ford. I KNOW what a lemon is. My bug is not a lemon.
 
2005-10-10 01:58:53 PM
1. Sucky headline
2. Hundreds of "my vw kicks ass" posts
3. Profit!!!1!!!1!!

Fark used to be funny... at least I know I am not...

/... are the new slashes..............
 
2005-10-10 01:59:52 PM
Re: German cars. My first car was a 73 Opel Manta I got from a retiree in FL for 600 bucks. It had 50,000 miles on it. Zero farmers market milage. Drove it up and down I-95 to Jersey and back many times.

I could take the whole thing apart with an 11mm, 13mm, 15mm and 19mm ratchet set, and a phillips head screwdriver. Soooo easy to work on. Parts were a bit of a problem, but once I discovered which junkyards had a couple of them, I was ok. Overall, not a bad car as far as German cars go.

Cars suck, imo. Nothing more than a depreciation line in the ledger of life. Buy used, spend as little as possible, and your wallet will thank you.
 
2005-10-10 02:01:04 PM
some things that will never change...DON'T take your car to the dealership for repairs, you WILL get screwed. DON'T use OEM (Obsolete Expensive Mistake) parts, you WILL get screwed.

Wrong. I have a diesel bug. I dare not take it to anywhere BUT a dealer. I've had trusted family mechanics tell me that they won't touch my car. Most have never seen a turbo diesel before... that's okay, I'd rather hear that they aren't comfortable working on my car BEFORE they start charging.

But, the dealership at Carter VW in Seattle is top notch. Every time I've taken it in for say, a broken handbrake button or that glow plug light or just oil changes, they've done it right and I've never had to go back and argue with them. It's a tad pricey, 60$ for an oil change, but at least I KNOW they are putting the right oil in my car, not like the Jiffy Lube where they shove the cheapest brand of oil in your car and charge you for what you asked.
 
2005-10-10 02:02:47 PM
yeah i have a 2000 Passat wagon, i change my oil every 3k not 5k like the manual suggests. Use only premium gas.
Love it except the Bosch ABS Brake module that sucks on all passats till most recently. anyone else have the brake issue with the lights going off but there's really no problem? the dealer wants 2400 bucks to put the new board for the module in. yeah its a $23 circuit board with shiatty components that causes the problem.

other than that i love my VW and the three GMs i drove b4 and all my parents fords are what persuaded me to get a car not made here.
 
2005-10-10 02:03:31 PM
Aggie: My wife's bug breaks down regularly, and thanks to German engineering I usually can't fix it. They make everything so messed up that only the dealer can fix it

???

VW has a tradition of home-serviceable cars. Mechanically, they're very straightforward and simple. Sure, my '98 Jetta (currently 150,000 miles) is a little more complex than my '72 Super, but even as a nerdy academic, I've done every bit of maintenance work on my car, from belt changes to brakes to clutch.

They're just amazingly simple. Buy a Bentley manual and you'll see.
 
2005-10-10 02:03:42 PM
gitsh01: I had a ford. I KNOW what a lemon is.

Pfft... my uncle used to have a Fiero. HE knows what a lemon is!
 
2005-10-10 02:03:49 PM
C'mon submitter, what a bogus headline. I had a 1972 Superbeetle that had rusted out so thoroughly on the undercariiage that I could drop fireworks out the bottom as bombs. Motor ran fine though. It ran w/o oil. For months. Finally junked it when the transmission croaked. Motor still worked, oil-free too. Amazing.
 
2005-10-10 02:05:45 PM
some people like being ripped off. gitsh01 seems to be one of them.

You pay $60 for a farkin oil change? Jiffy Lube knows what type of oil to use however, they charge way too much as well. Do it yourself for $20.
 
2005-10-10 02:07:00 PM
All I can say to the VW bashers is.... try driving a ford for awhile.

You'll change your tune.

God, my family's fords..... when I finally sold my old car, aka "little shiatty shiatty bang bang", the brake lights wouldn't come on (the cord that runs under the car to the back had corroded). The reverse lights didn't work. The seat belts were jammed. The brakes made the car fishtail, the battery had been replaced three times and still needed to be jumped, the timer mechanism had melted - yes, MELTED - four times.... even with a special rubber cover placed over it to try and protect it. The cooling fan in the engine had died, had to be replaced with a junkyard part, cause Ford didn't cary that fan anymore, and the clutch had been replaced twice. On top of that, it leaked oil so bad, we never could find the leak but I had to put in a quart every week.

Compared to that, my 2000 bug is the best car on the Planet Earth.

And, I don't have a big cloud of blue smoke behind me when I drive anymore!
 
2005-10-10 02:08:50 PM
Sergent D: You pay $60 for a farkin oil change? Jiffy Lube knows what type of oil to use however, they charge way too much as well. Do it yourself for $20.


Last time I climbed under my car my breasts got stuck in the hood area and when I got out I had these nasty ass bruises. The bugs have very low clearance.... and I am a 36D. It hurt. :(

I'm a girl, and my husband is a computer geek, I decided to leave the oil changes to the pros and save myself some very painful bruises.
 
2005-10-10 02:09:37 PM
This thread may be sponsored by VW...
 
2005-10-10 02:10:09 PM
gitsh01

you think that's bad? try a V-10 Ford...$3,000 just for injectors. A Ferrari will run a minimum of $4,000 for a tune-up and oilchange. Or my '74 Alfa Romeo Spider...$2,500 to REPAIR the transmission (repair, not replace)
 
2005-10-10 02:10:32 PM
$20? 5qts full synthetic Mobile 1 or Castrol
plus good oversized oil filter plus tax. almost $30
 
2005-10-10 02:12:21 PM
"Pics Needed!"
 
2005-10-10 02:13:10 PM
I loved my '88 GTI 16v, it was like driving a go-kart. The only major things that happened to it was a recall that I didn't catch that cost me $1500 in repairs, and hitting a curb at about 50mph...

Current car is a Porsche 968, and it's been incredibly reliable and fun as a daily driver.
 
2005-10-10 02:13:44 PM
mindflux

Snarf. I drive a VW. It's my second one and I've had nothing to compain about with either. Headline = BS. Mkay THNX!

I too drive a VW....my second one also. And each of them have had loads of problems. To the point where I'm sick of fixing it, but i still love driving my 97 VR6 GTi, and the 183,000 miles on the odometer are merely a badge of honor. Something about the ride hypnotizes you. But to be fair all cars have their problems.

/car for sale.
 
2005-10-10 02:13:46 PM
gitsh01

Last time I climbed under my car my breasts got stuck in the hood area and when I got out I had these nasty ass bruises. The bugs have very low clearance.... and I am a 36D. It hurt. :(

And the internets crash from 429,876 Farkers simultaneously clicking on gitsh01's profile.
 
2005-10-10 02:14:43 PM
migueldelascervezas:

Check out www.tdiclub.com if you get a chance. There's a lot of good info for TDIs on that site.

The only thing I've had to fix on my car was a new starter when I bought it, other than that it's been normal maintenance.
 
2005-10-10 02:14:43 PM
You pay $60 for a farkin oil change? Jiffy Lube knows what type of oil to use however, they charge way too much as well. Do it yourself for $20.

Sure if your car holds 4 quarts of oil. Two of mine hold 9 quarts each (928) so even a do-it-yourself job is $45 + filter & copper washer.

I take each of my cars in for an oil change at least once a year, I do the rest. You cannot check certain items while the car is on the ground (ball joints, tie rods etc..) not to mention its not a bad idea to have a trusted mechanic look everything over once an a while to catch things I may have missed. That is worth the extra money to me.

Not to mention most German cars I've owned have a copper non-reusable washer on the drain plug. Most do-it-yourselfers and jiffy-lubes fail to replace this (its 50 farking cents) and oil slowly drips out.
 
2005-10-10 02:14:45 PM
john_frink: And the internets crash from 429,876 Farkers simultaneously clicking on gitsh01's profile.

Guilty as charged.
 
2005-10-10 02:15:15 PM
spleef420: you think that's bad? try a V-10 Ford...$3,000 just for injectors. A Ferrari will run a minimum of $4,000 for a tune-up and oilchange. Or my '74 Alfa Romeo Spider...$2,500 to REPAIR the transmission (repair, not replace)

Eh, I don't think it's bad. I only have to do it twice a year. Plus Carter does this free loaner car thing so I don't have to wait around for it to get done.

SargentD is the one who is complaining about the cost.

I aint rich but I'd rather pay 60$ to get a pro to do it than squirm around getting bruised in places that are very hard to explain and possibly botch the job. Like I did the first time - I pretty much had to have a mechanic fix it after I was done. (I was replacing my original horn with a 1960's VW meep meep horn... and I screwed up. :()

It's a lot more embarassing to explain to the mechanic what you did when you fark up than to just have him do it in the first place, plus, you don't end up paying for replacement parts.... or the cost of donuts to appease the amused mechanics when they are totally amused by your stupiditiy....
 
2005-10-10 02:15:26 PM
gitsh01: I am a 36D

[Insert "worthless without pics" comment here]

And arent most VWs now made in Mexico?
 
2005-10-10 02:15:35 PM
gitsh01: The bugs have very low clearance.... and I am a 36D. It hurt.

that's why we have these really nifty inventions called jacks and jack stands (or in your case, "profesional" mechanics [read: lube techs]) ;)
 
2005-10-10 02:15:47 PM
Yes, but the cost to repair the cars is pretty much American < Japanese < German (who the fark designs a car where you need to remove the whole back end to replace a tailight?!). Not to mention the damage was done to my sister's VW when she ran OVER a racoon (tore the hell out of her undercarriage and riped out her fog lights).

/drove a GM without a real problem for over 130k
//driving another GM with no problems through 30k
///Costs twice as much to repair a VW than my old Chevy
 
2005-10-10 02:16:59 PM
gitsh01


Sergent D: You pay $60 for a farkin oil change? Jiffy Lube knows what type of oil to use however, they charge way too much as well. Do it yourself for $20.

Last time I climbed under my car my breasts got stuck in the hood area and when I got out I had these nasty ass bruises. The bugs have very low clearance.... and I am a 36D. It hurt. :(


This statement usless without Pics!
 
2005-10-10 02:17:00 PM
H31N0US: john_frink: And the internets crash from 429,876 Farkers simultaneously clicking on gitsh01's profile.

Guilty as charged.


I don't have any photos up, so you are wasting your time. :P

Most of my photos are of me in SCA garb anyway, pretty strange stuff.... :)
 
2005-10-10 02:18:14 PM
You should get breast reduction surgery so you can experience the joy of working on cars. It's totally worth it.

/ducks and runs
 
2005-10-10 02:18:39 PM
The "VW's have mechanical problems" joke is so old that its moldy.
 
2005-10-10 02:19:13 PM
I had a Mitsu 3000 GT VR4. One morning I set out to change my plugs. Front 3 plugs: 2 minutes each. Back 3: under the intake manifold. 20 minutes each.
 
2005-10-10 02:19:25 PM
2005-10-10 02:03:31 PM bubbaprog


Aggie: My wife's bug breaks down regularly, and thanks to German engineering I usually can't fix it. They make everything so messed up that only the dealer can fix it

???

VW has a tradition of home-serviceable cars. Mechanically, they're very straightforward and simple. Sure, my '98 Jetta (currently 150,000 miles) is a little more complex than my '72 Super, but even as a nerdy academic, I've done every bit of maintenance work on my car, from belt changes to brakes to clutch.

They're just amazingly simple. Buy a Bentley manual and you'll see.


Indeed, my 2000 Audi A4 1.8T is much MUCH easier to work on than my 20 year old Nissan (300zx turbo, for those curious). Earlier this year I did a full 60k maintenance on it (timing belt, tensioner, water pump, thermostat, coolant flush, all acc belts) and it was one of the simplest car projects I've ever done. The entire front end of the car unbolts and comes off... I couldn't believe it!

I think German cars get a bad rap for reliability as they're not as tolerant of ignorant owners ignoring maintenance schedules as are other makes. Also, people need to realize the difference between expected maintenance repairs (i.e. brake pads, rotors, as mentioned a few times above), and things actually breaking on a car.

Lastly... work on your own f'ing cars people. Mechanics are dishonest and overpriced... it's really not that hard.

/steps off soapbox
 
2005-10-10 02:21:35 PM
Jiffy Lube DOES NOT know what kind of oil to use in a TDI. Most of them probably don't even carry it.

PD TDIs need VW 505.01 spec oil, and older TDIs need oil that is at least CG-4 rated. Since diesel cars only make up about 1% of the market most quick change places will screw up and use the wrong type of oil.

I've heard too many horror stories to trust anybody with my car.
 
2005-10-10 02:21:49 PM
I would work for VW, but I'm afraid of a fist coming out of my computer and punching me in the balls.
 
2005-10-10 02:23:09 PM
 
2005-10-10 02:25:08 PM
mindflux: Snarf. I drive a VW. It's my second one and I've had nothing to compain about with either. Headline = BS. Mkay THNX!


Second that. I drive 1997 Jetta Trek, best car I have ever had. ZERO problems and great gas mileage.
 
2005-10-10 02:27:04 PM
ignoramus: Highly reliable, and newly-styled. Behold the new Civic.

Umm, what new-model reliability tests are there on the new Civic?

/you're probably right though
//driving a TSX these days
///will be running forever
 
2005-10-10 02:27:44 PM
K, i have a 87 jetta, with over 200k, and no problems, vw, is a good car manufacturer, just a pity they changed the design like they did recently, although the new golf/polo are not bad.
 
2005-10-10 02:27:49 PM
dan86turbo: I think German cars get a bad rap for reliability as they're not as tolerant of ignorant owners ignoring maintenance schedules as are other makes.

Well, that and there's a huge difference between the OEM German parts and the crap you get at a local lube place. OEM German oil filters are rated at 15,000 km. Fram or whatever crap you get here in the States last about 5,000.

Thus I keep a stack of MANN oil filters and a bag of those copper plug washers in my garage at all times.
 
2005-10-10 02:31:39 PM
Most of the VW's in the us are made in mexico. jetta's and golf's

/Jetta owner
//has its problems
///love it!!
 
2005-10-10 02:31:52 PM
Suzuki > everything else
 
2005-10-10 02:32:31 PM
I had a VW Rabbit "L" in high school. It taught me a lot of mechanical stuff that I wouldn't have learned on a reliable car. So, I guess they're good for something.

New VWs? Ask someone about window regulators and coilpacks.

Also, all VW owners are emo fags. Sorry, it's just a fact. Bring on the flamage.

/drives a Subaru, passes a lot of emo fag VW drivers.
 
2005-10-10 02:32:33 PM
Have owned 4 veedubs in my life, including my current. Never had any mechanical issues outside of a window regulator (holds up windows in doors) being replaced under warranty. Plan on buying another later this month to replace the wife's POS camry. The key to a VW and any other german car... DO NOT ignore the scheduled maintenance (whether you do it or have a mechanic do it). Everyone has a horror story based on whatever make/model, cars are pretty complex machines that we generally beat the snot out of.
 
2005-10-10 02:32:46 PM
bubbaprog:

Fram filters are made by Mann. I bought a Fram at Walmart and opened it up, right on top says Made in Germany with Mann as the manufacturer.
 
2005-10-10 02:33:59 PM
I had a 93 VW Golf Wolfsberg edition. I bought it with 30K miles on it and traded it in on a Toyota little more than a year after I bought it. Here is a short list of the problems I had with that car the year I had it.

* No one, including a VW dealer and a mechanic who specializes in VW's and Porches, could get the alternator belt tight enough to not slip and squeal like a stuck pig whenever it rained. If you were far from home when this happened the battery would die because it was no longer being charged.

* This model had a passive safety system that would not allow the car to be started unbless the shoulder strap was plugged in (you could unhook it at the door post..for whatever reason I do not know.) Mine was faulty and you had to wiggle the seatbelt to get the car to start (seriously).

* The throttle would, for no apparent reason and with no warning stick open. Super fun when you are in traffic on the highway or in the snow.

* Speaking of snow the driver side door handle came off in my hand one day when it was cold out and the door had froze shut.

* Smelled something funny going down the road one day, probably had something to do with the smoke billowing out of the tape deck of the stereo...no one knows for sure.

* Driving one day I hear a loug bang and the motor starts making a racket. I pull over and pop the hood only to find that one of the spark plugs ejected itself from the head (taking the threads with it) and putting a nice little dent in the hood.

Remember, I had this car for a little over a year (I think 14 months)

I have driven nothing but Toyota's since and have not had a single major problem.

Fark VW and the horse they rode in on.
 
2005-10-10 02:39:03 PM
Fram filters are made by Mann. I bought a Fram at Walmart and opened it up, right on top says Made in Germany with Mann as the manufacturer
This does not mean they are the same filter. Mann is a huge company, they make filters for different companies and applications. Just because Fram contracts Mann to make their oil filters, does not mean they are produced to the same standards as the Mann labelled filter.
 
2005-10-10 02:39:41 PM
Anybody complaining about VWs reliability doesn't understand maintenence.

Yes, there were problems with coilpacks and window regulators in the 2000-2003 models, but if you go to a VW dealer with either of these problems (regardless of how long ago your warranty expired) they'll fix it for free.

VW engines will last forever if properly maintained. I just got my new(to me) 1986 8v Golf back up and running after the previous owner had neglected it... it has 213k on the clock with the odometer broken for the previous two owners. I bought it for $350.

/is building a hybrid 16v ABA turbo for it
//will run 11s
 
2005-10-10 02:39:47 PM
Well the tdi's are really reliable, the only people that really hate them are people that don't do required matainence (do the timing belt every 80k) or have half assed techs work on them. The TDI do require a special castrol oil for the newer pumpe duse engines (diesel injectors are in the heads). My friend that is a vw mechanic hates touraegs, to do anything like starter, o2 sensor or transmission work, the WHOLE subframe, suspension, transmission, engine has to come out at once. Also they are spendy for oil changes because they require alot of oil. Around his shop they have a saying called a "touraeg bath". They have a huge drain plug and since they have a lot of oil in it, your gaurenteed to get drenched changing it. My roomates gf just bough a 98 jetter with a 2.0 and a stick, excellent gas mileage and even easier than my friends honda accord to work on.
 
2005-10-10 02:44:11 PM
I have a 2000 Jetta GLX. Bought it new because I loved the look, and we had an '84 that lasted forever. Consumer reports said VW reliability sucked, but I was hell-bent and had money. I actually got lucky- I didn't get a lemon.

However, windows did fall into the doors 3x (2 replaced under recall, VW repaid me for the other one), once even after it had been "fixed". Sucks to have no window in the rain and snow. A couple other things were recalled by VW.

Had the same coil pack problem mentioned above. Actually, it was coil pack+wires. Replaced the wires, and plastidipped the pack, which surprisingly worked.

As I said, I got lucky. But I'll only buy a VW again if I have enough money for expensive repairs. And a backup car.
 
2005-10-10 02:45:11 PM
VWs are some of the least expensive cars to maintain and service.

For example, my sister has a 2000 Civic and she had to get a replacement rear-view mirror. Even a USED one cost $45. On the other hand, a replacement rear-view mirror (With motor) for VW Jetta costs about $25.

One reason for this is that the Mk3 Jetta was produced for 6.5 years, whereas the average Honda is produced for 1-2 years. This means that there are a wide range of replacement parts available for Mk3 VWs.


VWs are also some of the easiest cars to work on.

I have replaced my own shocks/struts/springs, cleaned the throttle body, install sway bars, changed belts, etc. Everything on my Jetta seems to be laid-out in a straightforward way which is easy to service.
 
2005-10-10 02:45:17 PM
Both VWs I've owned have been farking incredible cars. If your VW didn't perform as expected, then it's likely you're a sorority girl driving a stupid-ass Jetta who thinks "tune-up" is a euphemism for what the GDX house did all over your back at last week's homecoming party.
 
2005-10-10 02:47:47 PM
derekste, I'm not even talking about preventable problems, tell me why dead coilpacks and window regulators aren't really a problem? If it has to go to the dealer, that's a problem. It's time out of your day, and just adds to the general hassle of everyday life. Who needs it?

OK, I agree that the engine in my Rabbit was still running well when I dumped it, but that's after 4 new shocks & struts, all four wheel bearings, a new alternator (left me stranded), and a master cylinder that locked up all four brakes at once. My perforated accelerator pump couldn't be replaced because apparently Germany didn't bother to send them to the States, ever. Piece of junk, I tell ya!
 
2005-10-10 02:48:02 PM
Never before has a submitter been more deserving of a "golf" clap. Bravo.
 
2005-10-10 02:48:40 PM
derekste
They don't always replace coilpacks free. My 2000 appeared to have the same problems/symptoms (and was fixed with the same hack). Dealership (and website) said mine wasn't covered.

I think a problem is that people are confusing decent 80s models (like our old one) with crappy 99-0whatever ones.
 
2005-10-10 02:50:29 PM
MyrnaMinkoff: you're a sorority girl driving a stupid-ass Jetta who thinks "tune-up" is a euphemism for what the GDX house did all over your back at last week's homecoming party.


Now that's hot.
 
2005-10-10 02:51:13 PM
Sorry for going off-topic, but I thought the autonomous driving bit was quite interesting.
 
2005-10-10 02:54:40 PM
2005-10-10 02:27:49 PM bubbaprog


dan86turbo: I think German cars get a bad rap for reliability as they're not as tolerant of ignorant owners ignoring maintenance schedules as are other makes.

Well, that and there's a huge difference between the OEM German parts and the crap you get at a local lube place. OEM German oil filters are rated at 15,000 km. Fram or whatever crap you get here in the States last about 5,000.

Thus I keep a stack of MANN oil filters and a bag of those copper plug washers in my garage at all times.


Nice... you and me both. Just got a stack of oversized Mann filters in the mail from ECS Tuning (awesome source for cheap OEM Audi/VW parts for those of you who work on your own cars). All parts in my 60k were OEM as well. Tired of people biatching about the quality of a product when they refuse to pay money for a good one. Gee... I wonder why your $5 portable CD player broke... maybe because it cost $5?

/steps off soapbox... again
 
2005-10-10 02:54:53 PM
Oh, I forgot about the dry rotted speakers, and leaky window seals.

The springs actually broke (how does that happen, anyway?) and consequently the shocks were blown from riding too low.

The heater was a complete joke.

It needed 4 new CV joints (replaced both axles, it's easier that way).

But, yeah, it sure was easy to work on, and I got lots of practice.
 
2005-10-10 02:55:09 PM



This little fella's just been dying to get his picture in the thread...
 
2005-10-10 02:56:35 PM
Is this the same race that that guy with 2 Hummers was in?

PWNED
 
2005-10-10 02:59:04 PM
Long time lurker, first time poster.

I haven't heard anyone mention the crap that had a tendency to leak out of late '90s and early '00s door panels and all over unhappy driveways everywhere. I had a couple friends (one with a New Beetle and the other with a Jetta) that had what was supposedly goo from sound deadening material leaking out of the doors and onto the ground.

When shopping for new cars a couple years ago, I looked into VW, but found them underpowered, overpriced, and hyped almost as hard as my Mac. Got leather, more ponies, and LONG warranty out of a new Hundai at a price a VW dealer would have laughed at me for suggesting for anything other than a bone-stock car. Have no buyer's remorse for my Hyundai and I even have the trendy blue dashboard lights. IMO, VW is just another quasi-luxury carmaker (like Subaru and Nissan) riding the wave of yuppie love.

Also, nothing is funnier than watching my neighbor leave, late for work, in his Jetta TDI on a cold morning and listening to the Mini-Me equivalent of a real diesel sputter to life and belch black smoke out of the parking lot.

VW = Germany's equivalent of Saturn -- Meh.

BTW... this is my first. Fark. post. ever.

/insert obligatory Sarah Connor kitten killing while asking for forgiveness from the FSM here
 
2005-10-10 03:00:26 PM
I have a '91 Honda Accord SE. Power Windows, Leather Seats, Sun/Moon roof etc.. The thing has 275,000 miles on it and it's still running strong!

Honda > everything else.
 
2005-10-10 03:00:54 PM
Visit http://www.GasGouging.com and find out what the petroleum companies don't want you to know!
 
2005-10-10 03:03:27 PM
Why do all VW's come standard with rear window de-foggers?

So your hands stay warm while you push it down the street!
 
2005-10-10 03:06:53 PM
@ clevershark

Fiero, a lemon? The '84s were unreliable (first year of production), but I know people with Fieros from 85-88 with 200k-300k miles with nothing but routine maintenance. The body is plastic so it doesn't rust. My '88 Fiero GT runs perfect today, it has 40,000 miles on it and its had the rotor cap, ignition coil, ignition module, and the shocks replaced (replaced shocks with Koni adjustables). Everything that has been changed has been routine maintenance.
 
2005-10-10 03:08:44 PM
The people that complain VWs are bad cars, also probly think AOL is a great ISP. Or INternet Explorer is fine compared to Firefox or Opera. They only hear the complains of VW owners and thier problems, yet never have owned one themselves and taken car of it.

"Let see how far I can drive without an oil change... 30,000? THese cars suck!"

I have owned or driven a VW all of my life. From Diesel Rabbits, Sirracco's, Jetta's and Passats. One thing most people dont realise is that VW uses the same engine block for both thier diesal cars and unleaded cars (if you don't understand the point of that last fact, Diesal engine blocks are put under a lot more pressure during operation.

Typically, since I am poor, Have driving VWs taht were more then 10 years old, and often had in excess of 125,000 miles on them. These things are cheap and easy to repair compared to more anything out there in the market. Just resently i replaced all four shocks in my car and the parts only cost $80 total. THe timing belt went out on my passat and I ended up replacing the engine with a used one for under $3000. (including labor.. i did't do that one myself)

These are cars you can run into the ground, put back together, and run them into the ground some more. In fact I am driving a 1988 VW Jetta right now with 150,000 miles on it. and the only thing wrong with it right now is there is a valve that is stuck and won't blow air thruogh the heater.

Oh and as far as taht link to a Consumers report about reliabilityof cars, they only convered 1997-2004 cars, and were done by phone interveiws with owners. No offense, but wouldn't mechanics be the best judge of problems with cars?
 
2005-10-10 03:08:53 PM
Fiero, a lemon?

Lemon or not, they look cool. So do Triumph TR's.
 
2005-10-10 03:10:10 PM
FARTHEST
 
2005-10-10 03:10:50 PM
I had a 1990 VW Jetta that lived forever. Exhuast rusted through, but that's normal after 173k, right?

My dad bought a new 2004 Passat Wagon that had a hole in the windshield washer fluid reservoir when he got it. And it took the damn dealer three times to get the clutch adjusted correctly.

In short: Quality has gone down, because most of them are made in Mexico.

But still, they're the only cars that, until recently, you could get with a diesel in America.
 
2005-10-10 03:11:17 PM
I thought of this video first:

 
2005-10-10 03:15:55 PM
i think it's funny how the vw people are saying "mine had 125k miles and no problems... vw is awesome!"

my old POS subaru loyale was still running when i sold it. it had 275k miles on it. replaced the clutch once at 260k miles. all it had wrong when i sold it was a wheel bearing was starting to go, gummed up fuel pump, and an exhaust leak (the results of a little unplanned offroading)
 
2005-10-10 03:21:34 PM
quarterback_punk

Say what you will about VW, but they make some fantastic engines. I have a 2001 GTI with the 1.8T engine. I've had the windows fall down more times than I can count, crap ooze out of the door on warm days, windshield wipers stop moving, just to name a few things. And the service at my dealership is the worst I've ever experienced (www.vincentsucks.com).

Having said all that, the car is an absolute blast to drive. It's pretty good stock, with a very torque-y turbo program that gives you a plenty of kick throughout the RPM band. I've gone the extra mile and added an aftermarket chip as well as a few other bolt-on enhancements, so it's putting out well over 200HP and 240 ft-lbs. It's loads of fun. The only things comparable in size, price, and power would be a WRX or Neon SRT-4. I'll never own a Neon again, and my wife has a WRX, so until something else comes along, I'm going to stick with the pocket rocket.
 
2005-10-10 03:30:18 PM
Tinton: Fiero, a lemon? The '84s were unreliable (first year of production)

Well then my uncle must have had an 84 model. That's why I wouldn't even think of buying a first-year GM product, to a much greater extent than for another manufacturer.
 
2005-10-10 03:32:33 PM
I love how everyone is like;

"My (fill in name of <$1000 car) ran perfect all I had to was replace the timing belt, brakes, clutch, motor, wheels, seats, water pump, fetzer valve (ball-bearing), crankshaft, fuel pump radiator...But other than that, it RAN PERFECT!"

cars are like kids, when they are our own, they're great, no matter what.
 
2005-10-10 03:33:55 PM
I think Volkswagen is German for "Can you give me a ride to work?"
 
2005-10-10 03:37:21 PM
jarhead085: Most of the VW's in the us are made in mexico.

Funny. My 2006 Passat sticker says Mosel, Germany. Is that in Mexico?
 
2005-10-10 03:42:09 PM
I think the Jettas are made in Mexico. My 2001 GTI is from Brazil. Some of the other models and special editions are still made in Germany. In any case, I think it's still debatable whether or not that has any bearing on the quality of the vehicle itself.
 
Ant
2005-10-10 03:43:32 PM
fatladysings: I also don't envy you Touareg owners...$90 for an oil change?!?

$90? Do they have to remove the engine to get to the oil filter, or what?
 
2005-10-10 03:44:27 PM
2006 Passat

I think 'Passat' means "Chick Car" in German.
 
2005-10-10 03:45:50 PM
Touareg

Taureg means "You can sleep in it" in German. Which is good since you'll probably have to.
 
2005-10-10 03:47:37 PM

What could possibly go wrong?

/Can't believe it hasn't been posted yet!
//Boobies!
 
2005-10-10 03:48:33 PM
danlpoon: I think 'Passat' means "Chick Car" in German.

I'm 6'4", 250 lbs. I don't get the vibe that people are calling it a "chick" car when I get out of it.

/Fiero? Now that's a "chick" car.
 
2005-10-10 03:56:41 PM
Touareg actually is the name of some African tribe, I believe.
 
2005-10-10 04:00:37 PM
I perform labor for a company known as Volkswagen

So this entity known as 'dittybopper' is really enjoying the witty reparte' in this queue of posts.

There are those of you, good fellows all, who have quite a talent for loquating in a seemingly intelligenced manner about diverse subjects.

However, you can rely on my opinion that you fellows haven't a clue.

My thoughts are that you are trying to sound like you have knowledge about this particular subject, perhaps to impress the lovely distaff Farkers, yet it is increasingly obvious that whilst you give the appearance of knowledge on this subject, you are, in fact, quite clueless.

This is the mechanism for bad data to transport itself.

If you do not have direct, first hand knowledge about the things referenced in this thread....Please refrain from adding to the signal to noise ratio.

I ask this for the reason that some fellows will assimilate your false memes as factual information.

/Bet the filter doesn't catch it...
 
Ant
2005-10-10 04:00:45 PM
kerosene: Touareg actually is the name of some African tribe, I believe.

It's true. I saw it in the movie "Sahara". They must be right, right?
 
2005-10-10 04:00:55 PM
improvius
I may not have clearly made my point about shopping for cars. I was talking about comparing their the bottom-end cars (base Golf, Jetta, New Beetle) to others I'd researched, not $20k sports-sedans or hatchbacks which were frankly outside of my budget at the time. The GTI is an orange in the bushel of apples I'm talking about. Given the option, there are better cars for the money.

I've driven a Passat with the 1.8T engine and have to say it was quite fun -- probably quicker in a GTI. I've also spent some seat time in a mildly-rodded WRX and have done things in that car that would make a sorority girl moist. I'd agree that the 1.8T is a ton of fun, but the SRT-4, WRX, GTI are all $20k+ can't be compared with base-model cars that are underpowered and overly trendy when stacked up against like cars from Asia or the US.

You don't have to defend your car to me or anyone else. Living in a yuppie paradise, I see plenty of Jettas, GTIs and I'm sure the local dealer's service department isn't hurting for business. Having seen that, I went in another direction and won't ever regret NOT wasting my money on a "cheap" Volkswagen.

Cripes, this thread is getting way too serious.
 
2005-10-10 04:03:48 PM
@ clevershark

I'll NEVER buy a first year car, EVER. First year is basically beta testing the car on the public, letting them find the problems.

Here's a pic of my cars. The Camaro and Fiero are mine.
 
2005-10-10 04:03:50 PM
I owned a 2001 Jetta GLX.
I was damn near religious with the service checks. Oil changes every 3K miles. Religious, I tell you.
Doesn't change the fact that it was still a bona fide POS.
Glad I sold that turdster when I did.
I will never buy another VW again.
 
2005-10-10 04:08:06 PM
It's funny how everyone seems to have a heap of problems, yet they never say what they are.

My mom owns an American car, the tranny has went, interior bits are falling off, it is making a very loud squeaking noise from the suspension bits, and the fuel pump went bad.
 
2005-10-10 04:13:44 PM
NTF: Sorry for the rudeness but i'm really sick of that shiat.

amen ... ANY MAKE WILL HAVE HAPPY CUSTOMERS AND DISSATISFIED ONES. I stay out of stupid "my make is better than your make" catfights because of this fact. I'm happy with the car I have, the car I had before that, and the two cars before the VWs (which were a different make).

That said, my experience has been good.

I drive a Golf. I had a different Golf before that. Neither of them has had any crippling problems. I'm in the local VW club. Nobody I know has had anything abnormally serious. Just your typical minor glitches, which we fix. My last check engine light? A vacuum hose broke. The exact same sort of vacuum hose that is in every car under the sun.

Fixed for free (and diagnostic codes cleared for free) by another member who had spare vacuum hoses that fit and one of our floating scan tools. My current problem? Alignment is off. Because I hit a pothole. Big freakin' deal. Potholes tend to cause that. So I'll have a shop fix it. It's not the car's fault for being a VW. It's the city's fault for not fixing it in a timely fashion or marking it to make it visible at night (I have excellent headlights, and I still didn't see it, and it was really damn big).

improvius: I think the Jettas are made in Mexico. My 2001 GTI is from Brazil. Some of the other models and special editions are still made in Germany. In any case, I think it's still debatable whether or not that has any bearing on the quality of the vehicle itself.

You are entirely correct. Jettas/Boras come from Mexico, some Golfs are from Brazil, some (mostly 2001 and earlier) from Germany, Passats, Eurovans, Jetta wagons, from Germany, the Golf R32 is from Bavaria (I think), the New Beetle is from Mexico.

How to tell? Look at the first digit of the VIN. W=Germany, 9=Brazil, 3=Mexico. (A few common ones you see on other makes: 1=USA, 2=Canada, J=Japan, S=England, etc. Walk around a carshow sometime and pay attention to VINs and window sticker final assembly locations).

All the factories use the same parts and it's hard to prove that the build site is a factor.

I've had the windows fall down more times than I can count

That's under recall and fixed with a new, sturdier part. If you paid for it, get your money back, if it breaks again they'll fix it for free. So are the coil packs.

The Icelander: I had a 1990 VW Jetta that lived forever. Exhuast rusted through, but that's normal after 173k, right?

Happened on the family '88 Honda Accord when it got to about 140K. Big deal, didn't cost much to fix. Fix it for good if you want with an aftermarket stainless-steel exhaust that won't ever rust. Don't want to bother, fix it for another bunch of years with a standard exhaust pipe for a lot less.

All that said, I really am sick of the stupid VW-bashing. I guess it's the "in thing" to bash anything that you don't personally use these days.
 
2005-10-10 04:13:58 PM
Yeah, I went through 2 Fords before going Asian but didn't feel like stating the obvious by saying they were both towed away. I loved them both and almost shed a tear when my Escort and Taurus got hauled off to get turned into donations or art projects or whatever they are doing today.

FYI, you can drive an '87 Escort for about 50 miles on a bad water pump before you have a couple gallons of fluid draining into the parking spaces next to you. And for the person who mentioned the Subaru Loyale, I had to drive mine into an incoming Alaskan tide before it finally did weird things.

...but I'm much better now
 
2005-10-10 04:16:36 PM
Headline is pretty much right on. Although they were never major machanical problems, it seemed the day the warranty ran out the car came un-glued. I had a 99 Jetta GLX. It was so pretty when it was new, then it was soo bad when I traded it in the dealer decided to auction it off instead of fix it up to sell. I totally screwed that dealer! hahahahaha karma is a biatch.
*side panels stuck on with tape (literally fell off in the parking lot as the dealer handed over my new keys)
*windows always came off the tracks
*minor breakdowns costing at least 300 bucks
AC Out, etc. everything has to be special ordered!
g-damn tire locks...managing to make the simplest act of changing a tire a requirement for professional help.
fark VW!!!
 
2005-10-10 04:18:15 PM


Mine has 145k miles on it...and it goes like hell...
 
2005-10-10 04:18:36 PM
p.s. i think i got one of the ones manufactured in mexico...they shut that plant down.
 
2005-10-10 04:23:23 PM
quarterback_punk

Sorry if I sounded defensive, I wasn't trying to be. I'd never want a base Jetta or Golf. I'd probably go with a Mazda 3 in a heartbeat if that's what I wanted. I just wanted to point out that the VW line is not entirely without merrit.
 
2005-10-10 04:29:03 PM
The Onanist: Mine has 145k miles on it...and it goes like hell...

Oh yeah, the Corrado is great. A local just sold his. It was beautiful.

Remi608: p.s. i think i got one of the ones manufactured in mexico...they shut that plant down.

No, they didn't. It's still producing cars.

improvius: I'd never want a base Jetta or Golf. I'd probably go with a Mazda 3 in a heartbeat if that's what I wanted.

Mine's not base, especially the way it is now, but I do like the Mazda 3 5-door.

My Golf (no fancy pics, really, just some detail shots)
 
2005-10-10 04:31:46 PM
Buran
That's under recall and fixed with a new, sturdier part. If you paid for it, get your money back, if it breaks again they'll fix it for free

Not quite. One of my windows fell again this past winter. I was told that they would "goodwill" the repair this one last time, but that if it happened again it would be considered my fault for trying to use the windows when it's too cold. And no, I'm not making any of that up.
 
2005-10-10 04:35:30 PM
I love my 02 jetta tdi. i do not love the bosch mass air flow gauge that has failed me twice, at 44k and now at 59k.
have any of the other tdi owners here have had that problem as well? i heard it was somewhat common...
 
2005-10-10 04:37:49 PM
tricycleracer

That car belongs to a friend of mine. I was making like 400 to the wheels. Stock ones don't go up in flames like that. =)

Motor is going into an 84 rabbit I think.
 
2005-10-10 04:40:15 PM
Buran

It looks pretty good. I'd ditch the Asus wheels, though, at least until winter.

Here's my GTI.
 
2005-10-10 04:40:31 PM
'm 6'4", 250 lbs. I don't get the vibe that people are calling it a "chick" car when I get out of it.


All VW's/. btw: Cute Kid.
 
2005-10-10 04:42:29 PM
The Camaro and Fiero are mine.

Where in New Jersey are you from?
 
2005-10-10 04:44:49 PM
improvius
Agreed -- I'm not trying to be mean, either. Just about every automaker has something worth drooling over. When I was shopping new rides, I actually got excited about VW until I found out how far my $16,000 budget could take me -- not too far. I wanted a Mazda 3, but they were just barely hitting US shores and the only 3's in the area were loaded to the gills.

/doesn't want to get Daewoo on his hands, ever
 
2005-10-10 04:52:05 PM
I love my TDI Golf. I wanted the TDI Jetta, but I just couldn't swing the extra money. So far (40k miles later) my only mechanical problem came from the asshat mechanic at VIP forgetting to properly tighten the drain plug on my oil pan. Burnt out my farking turbo unit when the oil came out...

Still, gotta love 50mpg from desiel even more these days.
 
2005-10-10 04:57:13 PM
I skimmed through this thread because I may have to buy a car someday. The situation seems to boil down to this:

* Fords and GMs: suck. (I knew that already.)

* VWs: are great if they're taken care of by people who know what they're doing. Everyone else will get the suckage that they deserve.

* Japanese cars: impossible for even dumb cracked-out Americans to screw up.

I don't care to learn anything about cars and will always trust my car to the illiterate, apathetic dumbasses at the local Jiffy Lube clone. That means I'm sticking with Toyotas, which have no problem getting 200k miles even without boutique oil, and I'll let the VW owners fuss over their little princesses who pout and moan if they get bruised by Donny the 17-year-old Speedy Grease ape. To each his own, I guess.
 
2005-10-10 04:58:26 PM
VW powertrain= decent
VW Electrical system= Fukking garbage
 
2005-10-10 04:59:56 PM
cqaudi- you should go bowling with crgrrl82, you two sound like you got alot in common.
 
2005-10-10 05:02:50 PM
grackle
I would suggest you factor in the quality of service at your local dealership. When things go wrong - and eventually, they will - you don't want to have any doubts about the people fixing it.
 
2005-10-10 05:13:23 PM
As an owner of a 98 Passat, I can attest to this. :D Damn do I hate Bosch. First my ignition control module and now my abs module is gone.
 
2005-10-10 05:31:51 PM
The only VW I have ever had is the '72 Beetle I've had for the last 9 years. It stood in my Dad's drive for 4 years unused for a while, because I had another car I was using to commute, and the Beetle was a 'project'. When he finally got fed up with it stuck on the drive and asked me to move it or sell it, he was amazed when I turned up with a new battery, stuck it in and started it straight off. On 4 year old petrol. Yeah, I had to crank it for 60 seconds or so to pump the fuel up from the tank (Lovely Leaded Petrol - MMM!) Fortunately I'd driven it up the street and round the corner before it started to backfire because the points had corroded... But I replaced those and its been a runner ever since. It burns a little oil, and needs a bit of a tune, but its not bad for a 33 year old car thats done 125,000 miles.
 
2005-10-10 05:46:50 PM
improvius: if it happened again it would be considered my fault for trying to use the windows when it's too cold.

I think you need to change dealerships. I think they didn't want to deal with getting reimbursed. Asking people to not use the window is ridiculous. What if, like me, there's a swipe card reader you have to get past to get into the parking garage at work?

It looks pretty good. I'd ditch the Asus wheels, though, at least until winter.

Asus makes computers. You mean Avus. ;)

Yeah, I have a few rim choices in mind; right now, there's a few things I need to get once I'm sure work will last past December (grant funding uncertainty; one guy in the lab got laid off, though I'm hopeful I will stay, I've been there a lot longer than him and I cost less to that grant due to the department paying for part of my salary - I do tech support too).

I also need to get a stabilized 400mm lens for my digicam; it would really improve my keeper rate of photos from airshows. 1/150 sec at 300mm is tough to keep sharp, and you can't shoot piston-powered aircraft at a faster shutter speed without losing prop blur. (Jets? easy. 1/1500 sec at f/8, no shake). But anyway, never fear, the rims will be changed! It'll really improve the look.

I think you should get some clear front sidemarkers and amber bulbs. The stock ones look even goofier on green.

okami36: Still, gotta love 50mpg from desiel even more these days.

I've noticed that diesel costs even more than premium these days. Even in Houston, TX this past weekend, the Land Of Oil. Diesels aren't going to be as appealing in the future, I think. Unless you can get cheap biodiesel from a non rape-your-ass place.
 
2005-10-10 06:02:55 PM
could we get some hawt lindsay lohan pics in this thread please?
 
2005-10-10 06:06:46 PM
According to this article, I drive the most reliable American car. Awesome. My (almost) 13 second grandpa's grocery getter is reliable and keeps the cops away. I wonder why the supercharged version of the Grand Prix didn't fare as well, seeing as though they're 90% mechanically identical to my Buick (which is supercharged).

The only cars from an American manufacturer to earn top scores were the Buick Regal, which has been discontinued for 2005, and non-supercharged versions of the Pontiac Grand Prix.
 
2005-10-10 06:09:21 PM
Yeah, I always get Asus/Avus mixed up. Anyway, the service manager swore up and down that this would be the LAST TIME, per VWoA, that they would fix my window for free. It's a crappy dealership, but I believe what he told me then.

The pics aren't current. I've got smoked side markers now. For the repeaters, I have Hella Comets that I actually painted green with translucent model car paint. And clear bulbs, so the turn signal blinks green. And I blacked out the inside of the headlight assembly. So I'm pretty much done with all the cosmetic stuff - no body kits or wings for me.
 
2005-10-10 06:38:37 PM
phishfood: Replace the Bosch with a Pierburg unit. www.tdiparts.com

The Bosch MAF is one of the most common problems on TDIs and should be replaced.
 
2005-10-10 07:12:05 PM
since i was a little kid, my family's went through a jetta, sarraco, fox, bug, an audi (did they make a4's 20 year ago?)and some truck I don't know the name of. all of them were tanks that skeletor Himself couldn't defeat. the last one, the Audi, was "totalled" by the fan in I believe near the front vents? $500 to replace (the car would be 20 years old now), and the car was worth $425. we dumbly sold it, to be bumped around between american cars ever since, ford escort, plymouth sundance, plymouth voyager, lincoln towncar that lasted 2 weeks and now a few saturns which have held up.
 
2005-10-10 07:44:10 PM
1980 scirroco 357+K
1981 audi 5+5 320K
1984 Golf diesel 400K+
1983 UR-Quattro 350K+
1992 Golf Diesel 430K+
1992 Jetta Diesel 740K+
current ride Golf TDI 138K and climbing

maintance maintance maintance
 
2005-10-10 07:45:36 PM
Needs more Toyota love.

/can't kill 'em
 
2005-10-10 08:31:14 PM
Volkswagon - the car of the sheeple.



/ Don't care if it's been said before- it bares repeating
// Have owned 4 of those POS's
 
2005-10-10 08:55:32 PM
mrblondemang: Volkswagon - the car of the sheeple.

You can't even spell the name of the company you're criticizing. And you DID know why it's called what it's called, right? The car of the masses? That's what it SHOULD be! Designed to be anyone's car, tough and hardy, and that's what it was, amazingly well, and still is in places where the simple, tough models are still everywhere. They're still used for all sorts of things in some places and there are so many varieties of them that it's mind boggling.

And if you think they're such crap, why did you own four of them? I think you have a passive-aggressive problem.
 
2005-10-10 09:18:33 PM
Here's a pic of my cars...

Thanks for that Tinton, totally farking changed my life.
 
2005-10-10 09:30:07 PM
Farkers see a headline about a robot (more than one, in fact) completing a 130+ mile offroad race unassisted, and the whole thread is "Car maker _____ sucks" and "No way, man".

Hilarious, sad, and typical. Also, submitter's fault.
 
2005-10-10 09:39:00 PM
Current:

'99 Windor Blue Passat GLX...

30valve V6, 2.8l, 5 speed "Tiptronic transmission"...

152K miles...no major prob's...

Farkingruven!!!!

dsw

/had 3 VW busses w/ razillinos of mile on each and reeked of patchouli

// Two passats w/ over 325k miles together

/// 86' Golf 'bare bones' stock...425k mile and sold to HS kid ... still on streets



//
 
2005-10-10 10:01:19 PM
VW = Wurst car evur.

I will never ever ever get another horible VW.
 
2005-10-10 11:10:12 PM
Wow. Atario is right. What the hell happened to this thread?? Too Funny.

None of you is welcoming our new self-driving robot overlords???
 
2005-10-10 11:26:05 PM
Spend your VW money on a Japanese car of similar value.
 
2005-10-10 11:29:01 PM
MrMetlHed: None of you is welcoming our new self-driving robot overlords???

I think it's cool. Don't get me wrong. I'm sick of it too. This is fark ... people fly off the handle about the stupidest things and call people incredibly rude names for legit complaints. (yeah, sadly I speak from personal experience).

I'm looking forward to more work on those systems for detecting unintentional lane changes -- they're the first steps toward mass-market-sold cars that can "read the road" and drive themselves.
 
2005-10-11 02:22:28 AM
Tinton

clevershark

I'll NEVER buy a first year car, EVER. First year is basically beta testing the car on the public, letting them find the problems.

Here's a pic of my cars. The Camaro and Fiero are mine.


And all of them horribly ugly and dont run. Good call.

/American cars suck
 
2005-10-11 02:26:32 AM


Lindsay Lohan hates your american POS car

/And your Korean one too
 
2005-10-11 03:32:58 AM
When I read this in the paper it sounded so cool. However I do want more details about the syetems on board.
 
2005-10-11 04:47:12 AM
def less good tahn lindsay, but there are more pics of the robots at:
http://www.siliconvalleysleuth.com/2005/10/robot_cars_make.html


love those caltech boys. why is it always guys and not girls who do that kind a thing?
 
2005-10-11 04:59:04 AM
 
2005-10-11 02:24:37 PM
What does a bimbo picture have to do with cars?
 
2005-10-11 06:18:52 PM
2000 Golf here. Mechanically it has been trouble free. It is, however, plagued by little electrical glitches that have been irritating. It runs beautifully, though, has a wonderful ride, is very comfy to drive. It's a fun little car.

I avoid the dealers though, because everything you've heard about VW customer service is pretty much true. Every repair I've been quoted by a dealer is double what a non-dealer mechanic will typically charge. I have found an excellent mechanic, thank goodness, who is honest and reasonable.
 
2005-10-11 08:32:05 PM
Toyotas are pretty reliable... I've had 3 1st Gen MR2s and each hit 200,000 before I smooshed them under truck and various things. My current one has been drivin like a race car since birth and it rounding 187K. The Toyota 4AGE is one of my favorite engines!
 
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