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(Guardian)   "Dear tenant, we're sorry we helped that burglar steal thousands of pounds worth of possessions from your home. Signed, The Council"   ( society.guardian.co.uk) divider line
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2005-10-06 07:04:36 AM  
Can you sue the government over this sort of stupidity in Britain?
 
2005-10-06 07:28:39 AM  
ZAZ: Can you sue the government over this sort of stupidity in Britain?

Yep. Although I expect the council will just pony up some compensation straight away.
 
2005-10-06 08:09:44 AM  
Strachan admitted four charges of housebreaking and was given 300 hours community service, the Daily Telegraph reported.

I *assume* that he wasn't given jail time because everything was recovered intact...if not, then you've got to be joking.

--h
 
2005-10-06 09:13:16 AM  
It was ATTEMPTED burglary. You get in trouble. Just like you get in trouble if you attempt to kill someone but fail.
 
2005-10-06 11:00:25 AM  
Bastids!
 
2005-10-06 11:00:45 AM  
Pay the tenant and don't be stupid!
 
2005-10-06 11:01:57 AM  
300 hours of community service for this? Damn... apparently I've been breaking laws in the wrong country for years.
 
2005-10-06 11:02:56 AM  
I wish they'd call it "tons" if it was a lot of money. Like if was a car: "That will be 17 tons sir."
 
2005-10-06 11:03:07 AM  
So is this guy going to get any compensation for this?

Poor bastid has an even worse landlord than I do (didn't think that was possible).
 
2005-10-06 11:04:45 AM  
They also made off with a brand new, untouched toothbrush...

/obligitory British dental stereotype
 
2005-10-06 11:04:51 AM  
So is this guy going to get any compensation for this?
I imagine his insurance will cover the loss, and he'll probably be eligible to sue either the council or the villain if he can be bothered with the paperwork. It's a good wheeze, though.
 
2005-10-06 11:05:23 AM  
I thought an apology was acceptable compensation? I thought "sorry" makes everything all better?

If not, I have a feeling the wife's not as happy as I thought.
 
2005-10-06 11:06:19 AM  
Pounds of food? Clothes? Pounds of what?
 
2005-10-06 11:09:22 AM  
shouldn't they have RECORDS of who their tenants are?! who not do an ID check? jeebus.
 
2005-10-06 11:10:35 AM  
Thousands of pounds? That's a lot of stuff.
 
2005-10-06 11:10:57 AM  
Thousands of pounds? That's like 500 pounds American, right?
 
2005-10-06 11:12:45 AM  
Maybe the Brits should start a Registered Stupid Offenders list and put the whole council on the list. They would have to notify other people when they move, and they would not be allowed to live within half a mile of anyone who owns anything.
 
2005-10-06 11:16:15 AM  
Thousands of pounds? Thats like .. oops.
 
2005-10-06 11:16:20 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Sterling

--h
/American who knows better
 
2005-10-06 11:16:46 AM  
I wish they'd call it "tons" if it was a lot of money. Like if was a car: "That will be 17 tons sir."

Hmmm, a ton is 2,000 pounds, so a 17 ton car would be worth 34,000 pounds, which at the current exchange rate would be $60,300.

Three times more than I have ever paid for a car. That VAT really sucks, doesn't it?
 
2005-10-06 11:18:03 AM  
McLeod - what, no "There can be Only One" quotes yet?

Or is it MacLeod.
 
2005-10-06 11:23:02 AM  
`Thousands of pounds? That's like 500 pounds American, right?'

I believe a thousand pounds equals 3 to 4 Americans at the present exchange rate.
 
2005-10-06 11:24:24 AM  
I knew the headline was inaccurate (re: the thousands of pounds.) Article says hundreds. My first instict was, "If you have thousands of pounds worth of stuff, wtf are you doing in a council flat?" And... rtfa.
 
2005-10-06 11:25:36 AM  
What the hell is a "council" and why do they have the right to call a locksmith for someone's door?
 
2005-10-06 11:25:41 AM  
lozak

300 hours of community service for this? Damn... apparently I've been breaking laws in the wrong country for years.


I know, If you want it easy as a criminal, move to England. The banned all the guns, laid off lots of police and put up cameras instead. Then they wonder why their crime rate is still high. Now they are proposing knife control.
 
2005-10-06 11:28:25 AM  
EnormousJuan writes:

It was ATTEMPTED burglary. You get in trouble. Just like you get in trouble if you attempt to kill someone but fail.

Read the article again:

The council's repairman also changed the locks on the property and issued Strachan with a set of keys. He then stole hundreds of pounds worth of possessions from the home.

He didn't attempt, he did. One would hope that if someone took hundreds of dollars/pounds/euros worth of stuff out of your house/flat/apartment, that they'd go to jail for it, not get slapped on the wrist and made to serve soup to people or pick up trash.

The only thing that should have kept him out of jail was that all the property was subsequently recovered. The article doesn't make it clear if it was or not.

--h
 
2005-10-06 11:29:33 AM  
A "council" is a town council and they operate public housing in the UK. It's kind of like a housing project, except usually better (slightly) than you'll find in north america. People on the UK equivalent of welfare are usually eligible to live there.

They were started because working people in the 19th c. were living mainly in hideous slums and the rich people were appalled. Appalled, I say.
 
2005-10-06 11:29:49 AM  
Accomplice to robbery?

IANAL.

Anyone? Anyone at all?
 
2005-10-06 11:30:24 AM  
Accomplice to burglary?

IANAL.

Anyone? Anyone at all?
 
2005-10-06 11:35:43 AM  
Britian has an amazingly high burglary rate mainly for two reasons, one highlighted by this story, namely that its not punished much. The other is the fact that a burglar can be nearly certian that no one has a gun to shoot them with. So burglary has an excellent reward/risk ratio, unlike in the USA where burglars are frequently shot and killed or get many years in prison.
 
2005-10-06 11:36:26 AM  
karlandtanya
I'm glad that you and tanya or you and karl anal but that's not really the point.

i keed
 
2005-10-06 11:38:26 AM  
"A council has been forced to apologise to one of its tenants"


Spellcheck in Isle 1!
 
2005-10-06 11:40:36 AM  
oldfarthenry

Bravo.
 
2005-10-06 11:42:52 AM  
Infinite Entropy

I know, you can't leave your house these days without someone breaking in, taking all the good china, and kicking over your gnomes on their way out. Still, stiff upper lip and all that.

/got my 3k student loan in
//Vodka and Red Bull is not a viable alternative to water
///will need the NHS soon
 
2005-10-06 11:46:31 AM  
Apologise isn't misspelled. That's how they spell it in the U.K.
 
2005-10-06 11:59:16 AM  
iknowyou shouldn't they have RECORDS of who their tenants are?! who not do an ID check? jeebus.

You would think. But have you ever locked yourself out of your hotel room? I have a couple of times. Usually, they ask for some ID. Recently, at a high-end hotel in Indianapolis:

Me: I left my key in my room. Can I get another?

Front desk chick: Sure, what room?

Me: 1256

FDC, after tapping several keys on her computer: Are you Beth?

Me: Yep.

FDC: Here you go.

I was flabbergasted. (Also a little relieved because I'd also left my purse in the room, too.)
 
2005-10-06 11:59:22 AM  
Yes, and its 'aisle' not 'isle'.


Darned colonials...
 
2005-10-06 12:07:38 PM  
Infinite Entropy
Britian has an amazingly high burglary rate mainly for two reasons, one highlighted by this story, namely that its not punished much. The other is the fact that a burglar can be nearly certian that no one has a gun to shoot them with. So burglary has an excellent reward/risk ratio, unlike in the USA where burglars are frequently shot and killed or get many years in prison.

According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics and the UK Home Office the US total burglary rate in 2004 was 2 per 1000 people, whereas the UK total burglary rate 2004-5 was 1.4 per 1000 people.

Obviously guns don't work that well.
 
2005-10-06 12:11:43 PM  
While we're on the subject, THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS BURGLARIZE.

bloody septics.
 
2005-10-06 12:20:50 PM  
While we're on the subject, THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS BURGLARIZE.

Really???
---------
burglarize Audio pronunciation of "burglarize" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (brgl-rz)
v. burglarized, burglarizing, burglarizes
v. tr.

1. To enter and steal from (a building or other premises).
2. To commit burglary against: The second-floor tenants have been burglarized twice.


v. intr.

To commit burglary.
 
2005-10-06 12:22:50 PM  
Hey, Tombalom, not withstanding my previous post on Northern American grammar (since aisle is correct on both sides of the pond for the space between rows of shelves), they trumped us back in the 1700's so it's only fair they use the world burglarize. They earned the right to play with the English language over there as they see fit.

We, however, have to make do with thousands of years of culture, tradition & $1.76 to the pound sterling.


Ho-hum...
 
2005-10-06 12:23:05 PM  
Burgle
 
2005-10-06 12:26:29 PM  
Ok, most of our thousands of years of tradition involved living in turf roofed huts, appallingly unsanitary feudal conditions & waging bloody wars on one another, but we do have some nice old buildings.

/cuppa tea, guv'nor?
 
2005-10-06 12:26:52 PM  
Jeezus H. Freakin' Christmas!!!

Haven't these people ever heard of making someone prove their identity? The potential liability issues here are enormous.

Holy crap!
 
2005-10-06 12:27:18 PM  
Burgle

Yep, that's in there too.. even your word "bloody" used as an adjective which makes no sense is in there..
-----
burgle Pronunciation Key (brgl)
tr. & intr.v. burgled, burgling, burgles

To burglarize.
 
2005-10-06 12:29:43 PM  
C'mon Tombalom, we have to embrace our trans-atlantic friends little cultural differences.

/a cock-punch for Bud lite though.
 
2005-10-06 12:30:33 PM  
Tombalom: While we're on the subject, THERE IS NO SUCH WORD AS BURGLARIZE. bloody septics.

(*ahem*)

From Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary:

Main Entry: burglarize
Function:verb
Inflected Form:-ized; -izing
Date:1871

transitive verb
1 : to break into and steal from *burglarize a house*
2 : to commit burglary against
intransitive verb : to commit burglary
 
2005-10-06 12:30:38 PM  
A council has been forced to apologise

Why did they have to force them to apologiZe?
 
2005-10-06 12:34:57 PM  
"According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics and the UK Home Office the US total burglary rate in 2004 was 2 per 1000 people, whereas the UK total burglary rate 2004-5 was 1.4 per 1000 people.

Obviously guns don't work that well."


And yet the International Crime Victim's Survey seems to disagree with your comment. According to its results in 2001, roughly 2.75% of the population were burglarized (1.7% for the US), 3.5% of the population were victims of Violent Crime, and 2.5% of the UK population had their cars stolen. In fact, in 1999 the study concluded that over 25% of the British population was victimized once or more.

Mind you, the study for the year above was conducted by contacting over 34,000 people in 17 countries. So it's a fairly large and thus presumably accurate sample...maybe more so than official statistics which are often subject to distortions and under-reporting.
 
2005-10-06 01:04:46 PM  
If I remember rightly, that study was dismissed at the time, as that was when certain Mobile(cell) phone companies' reps told their clients to say their phones had been stolen when they lost them (and get a police report), so they could claim on the insurance. This was stopped a couple of years ago.
 
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