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2005-10-03 09:39:55 AM
Sloth_DC: No, you do not meet the job requirements to fly the space shuttle.


How do you know that, wise guy?
 
2005-10-03 09:40:53 AM
Ironically, she was instrumental in getting the ABA's rating system disqualified for SC nominees. In other words, Bush got her to specifically work on ways to get around rating nominees on the ABA's system, calling the organization too liberal. THE ABA, TOO LIBERAL?

Oooooookay.
 
2005-10-03 09:41:07 AM
Timbomb: "a Bush zombie"

Hahahaha! That's the perfect description. :D
 
2005-10-03 09:41:16 AM
Anyone here disagreeeing that Bush will go down as the president who nominated to Justices to the bench who never had any experience as a sitting judge before?

How many times has that ever happened, never mind consecutively?
 
2005-10-03 09:41:23 AM
Sloth_DC: 2) She meets the job requirements. Why do you feel qualified to add to those requirements?

Ethics?

Basic ethics?

She appointed herself. Can you honestly see nothing wrong with that?
 
2005-10-03 09:41:27 AM
Star Wars Evil Emperor comparison in 3..2..1
 
2005-10-03 09:41:37 AM
B: Headed the search for the appointment themselves

That's kinda funny, but I don't really see what your point is. Do you think this fact should disqualify her? Do you think it lessens her suitability? Where are you heading, son?

Yes, I do think this should disqualify her. I think she may have had some bias. That is where I am heading. She nominated herself. I dont think judges should nominate themselves. Do you?


What's with Bush and these committees that elect themselves to the position ala' Dick Chenney?
 
2005-10-03 09:42:17 AM
OK. Supreme Court Justice as entry level position. I like fire engines, can I be Chief?
 
2005-10-03 09:42:48 AM
Immaculate_Misconception: BTW, the words machine gun don't exist in the constitution either, but wingnuts seem to think they have a right to own them. And before you say "they didn't exist yet", I'll say this. I have no problem with every citizen owning a black powder rifle.

 
2005-10-03 09:42:49 AM
I_C_Weener

Now, the question remains, is she minimally qualified? If so, move along, nothing to see here.

Wait, what? Since when has "minimally qualified" been good enough to get a job. Perhaps if there were no other potential candidates, sure.

I would just like the confidence to know that the nominee for the position is among the best candidates available. Not the best candidate within arm's reach.
 
2005-10-03 09:42:51 AM
Sloth_DC: PLease point me to the apparent corruption. I seem to be missing it. Are you saying that Bush's lawyer is paying him off to get the SC nominee?


No, I am saying the business interests that back Bush are corrupt and very interested in appointing someone who will serve the interests of big business.
 
2005-10-03 09:43:25 AM
Formerly Bush's personal lawyer in Texas

Make an example of this spoiled and ignorant frat boy's approach to politics: Just Say No to Cronyism.
 
2005-10-03 09:43:29 AM
bipolar:

Editorials in the paper are officially endorsed positions; the National Review column would be more akin to one of (the very conservative) David Brooks' columns for the NYT which appear semi-daily.

I don't believe David Frum represents the editorial board of the National Review; rather, he is someone they pay to write a column because they think he presents an interesting viewpoint.


Ah, my bad. I thought that Frum was THE biggest representant of the editorial board, I always thought he was the one pulling the most strings and representing the general opinion of said board.

I don't read it too often, mind you, I just like to read him mostly.

Apologies if my inital feelings were wrongly exposed by words badly reflecting the expression of my thoughts.

Sloth_DC:

No. If the NYT runs an official endorsement of Kerry, then it'll be assumed that the NYT endorses Kerry. If some random op-ed piece cheerleads for him, that indicates nothing about the position of the paper.

See my post above. I thought he was pulling more weight at the NR.
 
2005-10-03 09:43:46 AM
palexc:

I'd like to know the average age and education level of everyone posting "BUT SHE'S NOT A JUDGE!!!"

45, JD, Phd
 
2005-10-03 09:44:02 AM
On her political contributions sheet:

GORE, AL (D)
President
ALBERT GORE JR FOR PRESIDENT COMMITTEE INC
1988


Wilbur Trotter Foxtrot!

Not shocked the Democrats actually called her acceptable, she has "closet liberal" all over her.
 
2005-10-03 09:44:05 AM
Good God People - the woman has never been a judge! Period. End of story.
 
2005-10-03 09:44:32 AM
Immaculate_Misconception: specifially

Geez, I'm not typing well today.

Tatsuma: Do you think you could fill me in/dig up a few links?

If I get a chance a bit later I'll try to do some digging.

I'm on my way to work right now, so I really don't have time. I know an attorney in Austin who dealt with her a lot when she was working with the Texas lottery, my understanding is that shes a real coont.
 
2005-10-03 09:45:02 AM
Atvar: OMFG! I know her!!

Biblically?

/Throws up in mouth a little.
 
2005-10-03 09:45:19 AM
consdubya: She appointed herself.



I wouldn't go that far. You really have no proof of that.

I am skeptical but not willing to make accusations on things I can't fully prove.
 
2005-10-03 09:45:25 AM
consdubya: She appointed herself. Can you honestly see nothing wrong with that?

As much as I like to believe Bush isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier, no president is going to nominate someone who recommended themselves.

It's likely the case that during her search it struck him that she'd be a good candidate.

Didn't the same thing happen with Cheney? He was supposed to be heading the search for a running mate for Bush and was picked.
 
2005-10-03 09:45:29 AM
willywanka: Anyone here disagreeeing that Bush will go down as the president who nominated to Justices to the bench who never had any experience as a sitting judge before?

Uh, yeah? Which two? Far as I know, he's only nominated Roberts and Miers so far, and Roberts has judicial experience.
 
2005-10-03 09:45:33 AM
Immaculate_Misconception

BTW, the words machine gun don't exist in the constitution either, but wingnuts seem to think they have a right to own them. And before you say "they didn't exist yet", I'll say this. I have no problem with every citizen owning a black powder rifle.

/not really a gun control supporter
//hates it when ignoramouses interpret the constitution


Here are some somewhat-less-than-ignoramouses interpreting that particular aspect of the constitution.

http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
 
2005-10-03 09:45:39 AM
Rann Xerox: Atvar: OMFG! I know her!!

Biblically?

/Throws up in mouth a little.


/snort
 
2005-10-03 09:45:58 AM
*makes list of people saying "she has never been a judge" after it has been pointed out just how many (even recent) Justices were never a judge.

*ignores anything they say past that because if they can't get over that point they need to go back to DailyKos for some new talking point, or get ready for third period.
 
2005-10-03 09:46:03 AM
It will be fun watching as the Conservatives try to crucify their President's appointee in the next few weeks. The Republican party is beginning to resemble the Democrats.
 
2005-10-03 09:46:19 AM
palexc:

I'd like to know the average age and education level of everyone posting "BUT SHE'S NOT A JUDGE!!!"

Why? You don't that's a legitimate question? Were there any current or past Supremes that were not judges???

What experience does she bring to the table, running the Texas BA? Being Bush's personal lawyer?
 
2005-10-03 09:46:28 AM
Atvar: OMFG! I know her!!


any dirt?
 
2005-10-03 09:47:24 AM
Red meat for conservatives:

This woman's extensive ties to GWB and her participation in the development and implementation of his policies give me reason to believe that, whatever her Constitutional views turn out to be, at least she's not going to nuke our government's ability to wage an effective war on jihadists.
 
2005-10-03 09:47:30 AM
GraphicAddiction: A) Lawyers become judges. Many with much less experience than this nominee. Lack of judging doesn't automatically equate with lack of knowlege in regard to the Law.

I would have thought that juducial experience and a commitment to the courts of America and justice would be helpful. Someone who is not good at twisting the law, but following it and enforcing it.

B) Maybe you should show WHY this is a big deal instead.

She appointed herself. WTF is wrong with you? Why can you not see that this is not acceptable?

C) Did you maybe expect one from Clinton's administration? Actually, this nominee's current position is a very, very high one as far as lawyers go....if you disregard partisan prejudices and all.

No, I would expect someone who did not have a direct party affiliation. It is not meant to be a political appointment.
 
2005-10-03 09:48:11 AM
Unless this is some kind of decoy nomination (which would be strange in and of itself), I can't support this. There are so many other qualified judges in the Scalia/Thomas strict constructionist mode, even women (Janice Rogers Brown, Edith Clement, Priscilla Owen) that Bush could have appointed.

For the first time in a great while, I'm starting to agree with consdubya and his posse: this is sheer cronyism. I've also been reading the conservative blogs on the nomination this morning: not much enthusiasm there either. Best quote comes from John Podhoretz @ NRO: "This may be the strangest fight he's ever decided to wage, because he's entirely out on his own on this one."
 
2005-10-03 09:48:35 AM
flavor of the month:

great i got the whole system explained to me. career judges arent necessarily the best choice for the supreme court. some of the best in our history had none or almost no judicial experience. not having been on the bench of a lower court is an advantage in some aspects for a supreme court justice, as many authoritative decisions are wrongly decided, and someone who spent their career enforcing it may be reluctant to overturn it.

having said that, being a commisioner of a state lottery is not exactly the sort of resume that the rest of the non-judicial picks brought to the table. my initial impression is that this is a very poor pick and may even be rejected by the senate.


See... that's the kind of reply I'll GLADY reply to. When you call me a "totalfark asshole" all it makes me do is to give small credence to your opinion. When you actually type something worthy of being discussed and insult-free, I'm very interested in engaging in a debate or discussion with you.

As for what you said: I never said I disagreed with your first paragraph, but I would still prefer to have people having at least a little experience before sitting on the highest court of the country. I still don't think that precendent = universal law.

I wholefully agree with your second paragraph. The more I read about her (as I am doing, right now) and the organizations she's been involved with, the more I'm thinking IM got it right and that she's just a patsy. They'll probably throw Gonzalez after she's eaten alive by congress


"what, first you reject a woman and now a minority? democrats are the party of white old men, it seems!"
 
2005-10-03 09:48:38 AM
Mosey:

Not shocked the Democrats actually called her acceptable, she has "closet liberal" all over her.

Okay see that's a plus for her already.
 
2005-10-03 09:48:42 AM
A nice, new job for the Bush family lawyer.

Not surprised in the slightest.
 
2005-10-03 09:48:52 AM
Mosey

*ignores anything they say past that because if they can't get over that point they need to go back to DailyKos for some new talking point, or get ready for third period.

Heh.
 
2005-10-03 09:49:01 AM
ZipBeep

There is precedent for people without experience on the bench being appointed to the SCOTUS. I think we should back off the arguments against her confirmation. The conservative element is going to do that job for us.
 
2005-10-03 09:49:22 AM
palexc:

I'd like to know the average age and education level of everyone posting "BUT SHE'S NOT A JUDGE!!!"


Mid 30's

(JD/MPPA)
 
2005-10-03 09:49:25 AM
KyngNothing: 45, JD, Phd

Is it really so hard to understand that a Judge needs to know the law first and foremost?

The difference between judge and lawyer is that one is paid to advocate a side, the other is paid to be non-partial and listen.

Both need to know the law inside and out. A good lawyer knows when a client has no legal footing. (A better one finds loopholes.)

Last I checked there was no formal degree you could get to be a judge out of college.
 
2005-10-03 09:49:41 AM
She has never been a judge before. - Wikipedia

This is getting better and better.


Rove: 'Hey Dub-ya, let's deflect some heat from our pathetic administration by nominating your lawyer for
the Supreme Court.'

Bush:' Did you eat my box of animal crackers, Turd Blossom?'
 
2005-10-03 09:50:11 AM
smeegle: I wouldn't go that far. You really have no proof of that.


She headed the panel looking for an appointment. How much clearer can you get?
 
2005-10-03 09:50:19 AM
Maybe there is a reason you JDs couldn't pass the bar.
 
2005-10-03 09:51:18 AM
Immaculate_Misconception:

If I get a chance a bit later I'll try to do some digging.

I'm on my way to work right now, so I really don't have time. I know an attorney in Austin who dealt with her a lot when she was working with the Texas lottery, my understanding is that shes a real coont.


Thanks, I'll search myself, too.. I'm sure we'll eventually conjure up the dark powers of TotalFark and we'll come up with some dirt.
 
2005-10-03 09:51:22 AM
consdubya: 2) She meets the job requirements. Why do you feel qualified to add to those requirements?

Ethics?

Basic ethics?

She appointed herself. Can you honestly see nothing wrong with that?


Quit jumping topics - #2 was the no prior judicial experience point. It's not one of the job requirements. Why do *you* feel qualified to change the job requirements to something that would exclude the vast majority of historical Court members?

As for the other thing, no, Bush nominated her. The fact that she was interviewing other potential candidates and making recommendations on them to Bush is irrelevant.
 
2005-10-03 09:51:35 AM
palexc: Didn't the same thing happen with Cheney? He was supposed to be heading the search for a running mate for Bush and was picked.


Dude, please tell me you understand that Cheney is the real person in power. Please.

Bush did not pick Cheney, Cheney picked Bush.
 
2005-10-03 09:51:46 AM

Anyone who thinks the "demolibs" are against her should check out what they are saying on freerepublic.com [pops]:

I'm officially DONE voting. What's the point?!!

What a yellow bellied, GUTLESS, SPINELESS, sell-out-your-base move of pure IDIOCY.

I voted for Dubya for ONE reason.."Justices in the mold of Scalia and Thomas". And he goes with someone who could quite reasonably be considered to the LEFT of Sandy O'Connor!!!

I am absolutely LIVID and DONE with the entire political process. Me and my family are staying home from all future elections.

DONE. FINISHED. **NO** **MORE**.


They are espescially annoyed to find out that she contributed to Democrats Al Gore and Lloyd Bentsen in 1987-88.
 
2005-10-03 09:52:24 AM
From another thread:

Miers worked with Exodus Ministries, a local group that helps ex-prison inmates find jobs and learn skills, NOT Exodus International, the pray-ungay group.
 
2005-10-03 09:52:58 AM
consdubya: Someone who is not good at twisting the law, but following it and enforcing it.

I smell some pre-conceived notions about lawyers...
 
2005-10-03 09:54:15 AM
Many of our Supreme Court justices have been non-judges and even (gasp!) non-lawyers before being appointed to the bench.

/Job requirements: must be able to read the Constitution.
 
2005-10-03 09:54:21 AM
I don't get it. Why are we letting in people that have NO JUDICAL RECORD? This is the Supreme Court, right? Shouldn't we have some idea over how they are going to vote. Hell, I'm almost as qualified as she is.
 
2005-10-03 09:55:01 AM
Farkowski: Miers worked with Exodus Ministries, a local group that helps ex-prison inmates find jobs and learn skills, NOT Exodus International, the pray-ungay group.

OK, thanks. That's a relief anyway.
 
2005-10-03 09:55:13 AM
lefande: Here are some somewhat-less-than-ignoramouses interpreting that particular aspect of the constitution.

Thanks, but I was just making a point.

And if you're one who interprets the 2nd amendment literaly, would you not agree that your right to bear arms is being infringed upon by the simple fact that you have to fill out a form and withstand a certain level of scrutiny to complete a purchase?

/totally not willing to get into a gun debate this morning
//owns a safe full of firearms
///hates gun nuts just the same
 
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