that's impressive. I hope they have something more than just that if they hope to win this thing

Because, you know, racial equality is ALL ABOUT making special allowance for select groups. When you want to be considered equal and no different in any way, you NEED to demand that everything be geared your way.

idiotic.

on the other hand the article didn't specify what kind of test was given. It's possible that some tests could be incidentally racist.

stevarooni: You mean like using chemical tests to determine melanin ratios, snowburnt? Yeah, that's pretty racist...and tanist.

they use that test to see if they are moles from UPS.

I think this just shows that the LAST thing most of these people want is true equality.

True equality would scare the hell out of most of the people calling for it.

The test's racism was apparent when they asked their employees to name all of the characters from Friends and some hits by Phil Collins.

Time for my favourite quote:
"Political correctness is gay."

ZAZ, are you serious?

What if your company is just you (let's say your asian) and you are looking to hire, and you decide to hire another guy who is of another ethnicity, let's say black.

Does that mean all white, east Indian, native Americans, can sue you for discrimination? You know since your company has 0% of each.

Holy shiat, I'm never moving to the USA again. You guys are CRAZY!!!

plizak: Does that mean all white, east Indian, native Americans, can sue you for discrimination? You know since your company has 0% of each.

I'm pretty sure the company has to have a certain number of employees (more than a handful) before those laws take effect. The larger companies I've worked for have taken affirmative action policies much more seriously than the small companies.

Got to love it when some people fail in the workplace. If they are a minority, they go to a law office and sue. A real person would try harder or go work elsewhere.

Under the 1990 Act, statistical analysis can be admissible to show discrimination, but it takes much more to prove discrimination.

The sentence in the headline is likely part of an argument about criteria bias and not disparate impact anyways.

Needs to buy more FedEx stock.... support.

What can brown do for FedEx? Apparantly nothing.

The test's racism was apparent when they asked their employees to name all of the characters from Friends and some hits by Phil Collins

im white and i cant even do that. i dont even think i could identify phil collins

2005-09-29 12:08:32 PM Crosshair
"A real person would try harder or go work elsewhere."

Or just biatch that the boss has it in for them.

See the arrow between the "E" and the "x"? It's pretty sweet.

Well duh. What can brown do for you is the UPS slogan.

Well, maybe Fedex wants to be successful, as opposed to, say, public schools.

i'm just glad tiger woods has a well-paying job because he would obviously fail the promotion test extra-failey what with all those kooky minorities mixed up in him

Smells like New Orleans.

Unless the test is based on some kind of phrenology or skin pigmentation, I can't possibly see how it would be racist. Knowledge and problem-solving skills are not race-based.

I think maybe we should be asking the schools why they're discriminating against minorities. Because no job application I've ever seen had anything on it that could be construed as racist.

Yeah, but they do one hell of a good job.

OK let's see... Ross Rachel Chandler Joey Monica Phoebe Gunther Sususudio In The Air Tonight!!! I Win!!! I'm White!!!

I have a friend who's a supervisor at UPS. He suggested some basic testing of math skills for recruits. He was told that to start such testing was "racist."

Our country is burning it at both ends, both right and left.

I think, for white football players, a first down should only have to be a net gain of 7 yards. Ten is just too hard for honkies.

do we still do the omarion thing?

nfw
Zing.

FedEx is actually one of the better companies in the country when it comes to discrimination.

Maybe they also give people jobs as handlers and sorters who probably wouldn't normally get them, therefore they fail at a higher rate for further promotion? But that would just be too easy.

Crosshair

Got to love it when some people fail in the workplace. If they are a minority, they go to a law office and sue. A real person would try harder or go work elsewhere.

Are you suggesting that minorities aren't real people?

They need to change the test so more stupid people can pass it.

Victell
What can brown do for FedEx? Apparantly nothing.

Absolutely, positively hilarious

George Bush doesn't care about Fed Ex.

Wait...Fed Ex doesn't care about George Bush.

No, I know...Fed Bush doesn't care about Ex-Blacks.

I dunno. I give up.

This isn't racism, this is retarded.

When does it become legal to hang white people?

Or better yet, a federal law requiring white women to mate with more ethnically diverse men in an attempt to solve the problem of the white man.

And put the christians in camps!

I thought the test's purpose was to keep the idiots out of the company. Seems to be working so what is the problem?

ComicBookGuy

"...Our country is burning it at both ends, both right and left."

Sadly, I agree.

That whole article makes my head tired. the whole test was just one question.

Q. Do you look good in a purple suit?

If answered yes, no promotion. If No, promotion, raise, and a $25 gift card to the GAP.

Memo To All:

Incidents of alleged racism can be proven by auditing the HR records of companies.

*sighs*

*shakes head*

*blames irresponsible parents and the UCLA again*

Didn't even have to look to know this case was brought in California.

Oakland....Because San Francisco sucks.

I got a package the other day through fed ex. The dude, white if it matters, delivered it to the wrong house. It was addressed correctly. I called the toll free number when my tracker said it had been delivered but wasn't at my house. They told me he had delivered it to 303 my street. We are 330. So I walked up the road to retrieve my package. when I got home I looked at the address and sure enough it was correct, so I called back to complain. I'm sure he got wrote up because he showed up at my house around 5 that evening and asked to see the package. When he saw the correct address he blamed the mix up on the scanner reading it incorrectly. I'm still a little mad about it.

Victell

You funny bastard.

As for the test, I say that whites should start failing more so that we can sue for money. Make for easy gains.

I work for UPS.

So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know how to park in the worst place possible.

But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont even know how to drive a large brown van like an A-hole.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.

/obligatory

Ok, so I'm white, but if I recall correctly the phrase ..."unless it is beneficial to them" was not mart of MLK's "I had a dream..."

//hates FedEx because most of my packages don't show up. I find it amusing that UPS, USPS, the plumber, HVAC guy, and pizza guy have no problems finding my address but FedEx always makes notes in the computer they can't find it. One time they said they left a package at my back door. (I don't know how that is possible since I have a condo.)

ateksuni
*blames irresponsible parents and the UCLA again*

Perhaps you mean the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)?

Felgraf

You sound like a right wing, Christian, fundie when you speak like that. Give me 20 "I hate white Europeans," and a $250 offering to the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition for remission of your sins.

/sarcasm at 110% sir!

This exact same thing is going on right now within the Denver Fire department. They claim that the written test is rascist because minorities often end up with more "street knowledge"! Haha! They are even trying to go so far as to allow a felony conviction in your past because right now that automatically disqualifies you. And we just know all those minorities all have felony convictions right?

So far only one white employee has passed the "make fire" test.

bbcrackmonkey


Unless the test is based on some kind of phrenology or skin pigmentation, I can't possibly see how it would be racist. Knowledge and problem-solving skills are not race-based.

I don't know about that. I remember reading something a long-ass time ago (it was around the time I was getting ready for the SAT, so forgive the vagueness) that argued that th SAT was racially biased b/c of the questions.

For example, the SAT asked something about snow and skiing, and the report argued that skiing is something that is done mosty by upper-middle to upper class people, also mostly white.

What do you think of that? Could it be something like that that is being argued? And is that a fair example of how questions and knowldge-testing can, indeed, be racially biased?

(Presumably knowledge tests could also be gender biased, and in fact, that is one of my main problems wiith IQ testing. Knowledge isn't really fungible, but I guess that's slightlly offf topic now)

How insulting would it be if you were a certain race and someone giving you a test said: "Well, since folks that are your race have a hard time passing this test, it's been reworked to make it easier for you to pass."

In other words, you're not smart enough to do this yourself - so we've rigged it so you can pass without trying as hard.

Sample questions from the test:

How do you pronounce "ask"?
1. Ask
2. Axe

What is your favorite sitcom
1. Friends
2. Martin
3. Sienfeld
4. The Cosby Show

Why do you want to be management?
1. To excell my career and take care of my family.
2. So I can order white people around.
3. So I can order minorities around.

What kind of cigarettes do you smoke?
1. Camel lights
2. Kool
3. Marlboro
4. Newport

What is your favorite food?
1. Sushi
2. Fried chicken
3. Steak
4. Collared greens


I dunno... It seems pretty racially fair to me.

I hate to be an ass, but I'm gonna...

If the whites and the minorities all took the SAME TEST, and the minorities failed at a higher ratio that only proves one thing: the test is not fixed. It's quite possible for a minority to pass the exam, they just have to know that they're doing. That's how you measure knowledge, with a test. So more minorites failed than the whites, maybe this means that the minorities that failed are stupid...as are the whites that failed.

This doesn't smack of racism, rather retardism, as wilbo26 correctly pointed out.

Now, if they're given DIFFERENT exams...that's bad juju.

2005-09-29 10:29:37 AM snowburnt

on the other hand the article didn't specify what kind of test was given. It's possible that some tests could be incidentally racist.

The first question was: "You're on the green on the 5th fairway. You're 100 yards from the hole, which club do you use?"

Second question: "Who won the Winston Cup in NASCAR last year?"

Crosshair: Got to love it when some people fail in the workplace. If they are a minority, they go to a law office and sue. A real person would try harder or go work elsewhere.


And I think this is the core of the problem. I am all for EQUAL opportunity. That means that if you are a minority, you have EQUAL opportunity for advancement, raises, layoffs, and terminations. Using quotas is a flawed policy. It began well, but when minorities realize that they don't have to try as hard, or work as hard, etc., they can use the quota system to keep their jobs, even get promotions, all for doing shiat. I work in a large company. I am fortunate enough that everyone working around me seems to be competent and devoted to their job, regardless of race. As a result, there are few or no racial problems in my project. I have work in other areas with minorities who have a chip on their shoulder because they are forced to work under a white person. They do everything they can to keep from doing their job, yet they don't get axed. It is pathetic. And I have absolutely no respect for those people. They don't want equality, they want welfare at the workplace.

There is still racism in the workplace, and there would be some discrimination in some companies against minorities without EEO policies, but the policies have resulted in a simple role reversal, where it is harder for non-minorities to get hired or promoted over their minority co-workers. The policies our out-dated and need to be revised.

steve20832: //hates FedEx because most of my packages don't show up. I find it amusing that UPS, USPS, the plumber, HVAC guy, and pizza guy have no problems finding my address but FedEx always makes notes in the computer they can't find it. One time they said they left a package at my back door. (I don't know how that is possible since I have a condo.)

This has happened to me several times as well, I got a package delivered that weighed 30lbs they said they delivered it but I didnt get it they said check the bushes as it might have blown away...

Well, it would have been the ACLU, but "the UCLA" will just get me laughed at for being a moran, I won't have people burning various images in effigy on my lawn.

Good catch, I was wondering if anyone would notice. ;)

Amy78 - He was probably dyxlexic.

jason103

you're not smart enough to do this yourself - so we've rigged it so you can pass without trying as hard.

You've hit it right on. This type of paternalism is the most offensive kind of racism (not including race related violence, of course).

TheHipcat: Q. Do you look good in a purple suit?

I think the backup question was "Do you look good with a shaved head?"

I had a negro deliver a package to me the other day from fedex. They dont seem very racist to me.

eldezod: For example, the SAT asked something about snow and skiing, and the report argued that skiing is something that is done mosty by upper-middle to upper class people, also mostly white.



So then the SATs are biased against those of us (of any ethnicity) that don't ski?

If the whites and the minorities all took the SAME TEST, and the minorities failed at a higher ratio that only proves one thing: the test is not fixed. It's quite possible for a minority to pass the exam, they just have to know that they're doing. That's how you measure knowledge, with a test. So more minorites failed than the whites, maybe this means that the minorities that failed are stupid...as are the whites that failed.

Or it means the minorities went to worse schools, or they came from a culture that has systematically rejected intelligence in favor of glorifying violence, crime, and machismo.

ok... to be fair, the FedEx test is OBVIOUSLY too white. The following therefore should be a suitable replacement:


Little Johnny has an AK-47 with a 30 round clip. He usually misses 6 out of every 10 shots and he uses 13 rounds per drive-by shooting. How many drive-by shootings can Little Johnny attempt before he has to reload?

Jose has 2 ounces of cocaine. If he sells an 8 ball to Antonio for $320 and 2 grams to Juan for $85 per gram, what is the street value of the rest of his hold?

Rufus pimps 3 hos. If the price is $85 per trick, how many tricks per day must each ho turn to support Rufus's $800 per day crack habit?

Jerome wants to cut the pound of cocaine he bought for $40,000>to make 20% profit. How many ounces will he need?

Willie gets $200 for a stolen BMW, $150 for stealing a Corvette, and $100 for a 4x4. If he steals 1 BMW, 2 Corvettes and 3 4x4's, how many more corvettes must he have to steal to have $900?

Raoul got 6 years for murder. He also got $10,000 for the hit. If his common-law wife spends $100 per month, how much money will be left when he gets out?
Extra credit bonus: how much more time will he get for killing the ho that spent his money?


If an average can of spray paint covers 22 square feet and the average letter is 3 square feet, how many letters can be sprayed with 3 eight ounce cans of spray paint with 20% paint free?

Hector knocked up 3 girls in the gang. There are 27 girls in his gang. What is the exact percentage of girls Hector knocked up?

Bernie is a lookout for the gang. Bernie has a Boa Constrictor that eats 3 small rats per week at a cost of $5 per rat. If Bernie makes $700 a week as a lookout, how many weeks can he feed the Boa on one week's income?

Billy steals Joe's skateboard. As Billy skates away at 35 mph, Joe loads his .357 Magnum. If it takes Joe 20 seconds to load his magnum, how far away will Billy be when he gets whacked?

andrew_0812: They do everything they can to keep from doing their job, yet they don't get axed

What don't they get axed? To work harder?

Abox: Or just biatch that the boss has it in for them.


Too true, minorities definately are not the only grumps who biach about having to do any work. But (except in the true corporate world, where "Wallies" can hang about for years doing nothing) they usually get fired pretty quick.

hmm there are 3 times the amount of hispanic workers than white workers, yet hispanics fail twice as much as whites.

wouldn't you think they'd fail 3 times as much?

If 90% of the people taking the test are hispanic, 90% of the peole who fail should also be hispanic.

If 75% of the population is black, 75% of the prisoners should be black too.

when will people learn this?

The theory goes like this: Since intelligence, by standard measures, is not perfectly equally distributed across all the races, intelligence is not something you can use as criteria for hiring or promoting.

That is, if you have a test, that not all races perform equally well on and the test is intended to be used as criteria to find out who is better qualified for a job, then the test is racist.

That is because the dictionary definition of racism is "the belief that one race is better than another".

So if a test proves that one race, is better than another, than the test is racist.

That's why when hiring you can't ever use standardized tests. That's when firing the best thing to do is never give a reason. In the 60s they had all these tests they used to give people to see if they'd be good at certain engineering disciplines, etc and the company would train people if they did well on the test. Today, with the ridiculousness explained above, people have to rely on phonied up resumes and all kinds of interview games to figure out if people are qualified for a given job.

Blame the ACLU? What farking sense does that make?

if those mexicans don't like it, they can always get into landscaping.

My fav bit o racism takes place with every job application you fill out.

It's a farkin form, courtesy of our beloved Imperial Government (gubamint), asking what your specific "race" is....oh yeah, it always laced with these ridiculous and specious apologies, in the form of "oh btw, filling out this form is totally VOLUNTARY and propective employers are FORBIDDEN to hold it aainst you if you choose not to "answer". Uh-huh, like I'm going to risk raising the oh-so-sennnnsitiiive hackles of some politcally-correct wacko in the HR department?

It is a RACIST tool and we all know it. Thank you, my gubamint.

Around here, you get equality of opportunity.

Equality of results is your responsibility.

At least, this is the way it SHOULD be.

FedEx Promotion Test

Question #1 of 1

Are you white?

Yes ___
No _X_

-------------------------------------------
Sorry, but that is the wrong anwser. FAILED

A lot of people call me horrible names for being an Objectivist; but I gotta tell ya, this what Ayn Rand was on about all those years ago. Let's just keep lowering the bar. It'll drag us all down eventually. Worse than sad - absolutely disgusting.

A 100 yard long green? You clearly aren't white. If I'm 100 yards from the hole I'd go with my 5 iron. There is only one approriate club for the green.

Equality is a biatch, isn't it?

Never realized it was racist to expect employees to be qulified for a position prior to promoting them into it.

All they need to do is change the language of their tests into Ebonics and Mexonics.

Problem solved.

Can I assume other farkers thought of Griggs vs. Duke Power Company?

So everyone involved in the lawsuit would be less intellegent than The King of Queens? 'cause he drives a truck.

altinos: Are you suggesting that minorities aren't real people?


The ones who exibit this behavior? Abso-friggin-lutely. They are called "leeches."

I bet 10 dollars that the people filing the lawsuit:

Aren't Oriental
Aren't Indian
Aren't Pakistani
Aren't Middle Eastern
And I'll even bet they aren't Hispanic

I think for a suit to be brought for discrimination, they must hire/promote less than 80% of the candidates in a protected class than for white people.

So if 100 white people apply and the company hires 20 and 100 minorities apply, they must hire at least 16 or it is grounds for a lawsuit.

Once a lawsuit is filed, it is up to the company to prove there was no discrimination, they now have the burden of proof.

/Read this yesterday for an HR class
//More like skimmed over it

By the time this thing gets to court I hope they realize that WHITE is a minority.

What happened to individual responsibility? If you can't pass a test, you don't deserve a higher pay or promotions.

"So everyone involved in the lawsuit would be less intellegent than The King of Queens? 'cause he drives a truck."

Ya, but his wife has nice boobies. I'd give her a special delivery any day.

bdub77

There is no 'u' in Colombia!!!

"Aren't Oriental
Aren't Indian
Aren't Pakistani
Aren't Middle Eastern
And I'll even bet they aren't Hispanic"

Eskimos?

Q3. During your break you are most likely to:

A. Relax with the newspaper.
B. Play Basketball.
c. Fry up some beef burritos on a trash barrel.

100 yards and you use a 5 iron. You must hit like a puss. i would use a pw or a 9, most likely the PW.

So if my wife gets one of her hot friends to try to seduce me as a "test" and I fail, can I tell her that she should have used one of her uglier friends?

/either way, I'll only have half of my stuff
//literally, half of a TV, half of an amp, half of a car...
///she'd figure out how to cut the chainsaw in half
////love ya, honey.

trueaustinite
I think, for white football players, a first down should only have to be a net gain of 7 yards. Ten is just too hard for honkies.

Wow, I didn't realize Jimmy the Greek was a farker!

It's their right to file suit, and I wouldn't argue against that right.

That said, on the surface, the case is weak, and lacking substantial development, I would hope that a reasonable jury of peers would not find for the plaintiffs, and that a judge holds the plaintiffs responsible for court costs and fedex's legal bills.

Firefly

Yeah. I don't have a very strong long game. I'm better when I do hit the greens.

"If there are any questions like that on the SAT, it would probably involve distances or something mathematical where the actual skiiing is incidental. Anyway, isn't assuming that black people don't know anything about skiing as bad as assuming that they all eat chicken and watermelon?"

How about an SAT question like...

Leroy Jones buys da watermelon fer fibe dollahs. He cut it up into 20 pieces, n sellz em fer a dollah each. How much should his homie Darrel Washington sell his stash o crack fo?

isnt it still discrimination if you give special treatment to a specific group of people (those that AREN'T white)? as a white person, i am insulted.

Its all about course management, just ask Bagger, he quit Fedex due to lack of advancement.

Amy78: I got a package the other day through fed ex. The dude, white if it matters, delivered it to the wrong house.


You think that is bad, I ordered a package earlier this year, and it was delivered to the wrong house. They said they didn't order anything, so Fed Ex sent it back. I had the company resend it (verifying my address in the process), and it got left on the poarch at the wrong house AGAIN. We finally got it. The company had put an address that didn't exist on our street. So they were partially to blame, but why they just picked a house at random to leave it is beyond me. I don't know what race he was, but I am pretty sure he has two butt holes now. And yes, he delivered it both times, and yes, to two different houses. One on the other side of town.

cot

brilliant

I like the Fed Ex driver because he's a drug dealer and he don't even know it.

Thank G-d we don't have this problem in Canada. We are not allowed to keep track of employees by race. Certainly racism exists in Canada but for the most part it's a non-issue.

We can't be discriminated against for anything (race, sex, sexuality, marital status, age, religion, etc). Not like in the US.

ah right on cue the Fedex man makes a pickup at my work, gotta love um.

When I open my business, I just won't hire minorities. That way I don't have to worry about them suing me when they don't get promoted.



Wait...

Welcome to the world of standardized testing.

Yes, standardized tests discriminate against races that are generally considered impoverished.

Yes, these tests involve mostly material that is considered by most to indicate 'objective intelligence.'

So either blacks and hispanics are inherently stupid, so fark em.

Or else 400 years of indoctrinating people to believe that black people are violent, simple-minded, oversexed brutes in order to justify their systematic enslavement and oppression, in addition to raping their women, eliminating all family ties and selling their children, outlawing their literacy, lynching the ones who whistle or look at you funny, and then assassinating or arresting every last one of their effective political leaders, had something to do with it.

I choose to believe the latter. Because I'm a crazy liberal.

What dream world are you living in jmvbxx?

A 100 yard long green? You clearly aren't white. If I'm 100 yards from the hole I'd go with my 5 iron. There is only one approriate club for the green.

I'm lazy so I just play the whole course with my driver.

Maybe they just had a crayon stuck up their nose this whole time?

I don't understand a thing So_it_goes said.

FedEx Promotion Test
--------------------------

(Please select the most appropriate answer)

(1) Can you dance?
--Yes
--No

(2) Would you say your athleticism is a result of genetic breeding?
--Yes
--No

(3) Tupac's death, a conspiracy?
--Yes
--No

Answer Key: If you answered 'Yes' to any of the questions, THEN YOU FAILED.

Decipher the following:

"Who moma that is?"

A. Your cel phone is ringing.

B. Is that your mother?

C. Don't know.

Because everything is better in Canada! Damn you canadians are becoming as pompous as the fans in New England.

Just get me my farking package on time, you wetback.

/hispanic
//lightnen up, people!

Hey FedEx? Guess what?

Proof against racial equality > proof against God. Yet one is regarded as some sacred American tenet, the other derided by academics. Curious.

This stuff always reminds me of a story one of my senior residents (he's African-American) told me.

He saw a black patient in the ER, and the patient said, "Boy, I'm glad you're my doctor."

"What do you mean, sir?"

"Well, with the way the educational system is, clearly you must be a smart man for having gotten this far!"

"Actually, sir, haven't you heard about Affirmative action? I don't know anything, they HAD to give me a spot!"

/In truth, he's a pretty smart guy, but the look on that guy's face was worth it.

Most of the people on here, surprisngly, don't get it. I've had some exposure to this issue in another context. My step-mother works for ETS (Educational Testing Services... they develop the SAT). They are masters of testing intelligence, while being sensitive to cultural differences. They run a lot of statistics and notice when a specific ethnic group is doing poorly on a specific question, and then hunt down the reason. If it's cultural related, and not scholastic aptitude related, they have to reformulate.

Example:

Blue is to sky as ______ is to lemon.

A. Blue
C. Yellow
D. Green
E. Flavor


If you chose C, congrats, you probably grew up in America. If, however, you came from South or Central America, you likely would have picked D. Green, since lemons grow green in your tropical environment.


There are questions that can be culturally biased and do not accurately test the person due to cultural issues, and these MUST be changed to create an equal area of opportunity that isn't slanted torward a particular ethnic/cultural background.



/I want real equality, and yes, that means if one race is failing out of proportion, we need to take a look at the test, because it's quite possible it is slanted against them. NOT doing so would be favoritism.

Can tests be racist? Can facts be racist? Doesn't racism require opinion? For example:

If I say that The Rennaissance didn't happen in Africa; it happened in Europe, would that be racist? Or would I just be racist for pointing it out?

If I say that The Enlightenment didn't happen in Africa; it happened in Europe, would that be racist? Or would I just be racist for pointing it out?

If I say that Industrial Revolution didn't happen in Africa; it happened in America, would that be racist? Or would I just be racist for pointing it out?

The greatest AIDS epidemic in history so far, yep, that happened in Africa. I bet I'm racist for pointing it out.

The greatest program of systemic slaughter of a race in history: The Holocaust (European). Am I racist for pointing that out?

the greatest Religious-based terrorization of innocents in history: Got to be either The crusades or The Inquisition.

Is it possible for people of a certain culture to be viewed as fine when viewed as individuls, but the opinion held that their culture is somehow a disadvantage to their development? Or is it a function of their habitat? Or both?

Dammit, I wanna know!

Not all of us Farkin A, there is enough racisim to go around up here, and just as much affermative action and political correctness. Where I live the tensions are highest between Natives and the Whities, but thats another story. And the Red Sox can suck it.

Tallgordon: I choose to believe the latter. Because I'm a crazy liberal.

Your two options are not totally exclusive. One could argue that if these tests are reasonably objective, then on average, yes, blacks and hispanics are stupid. It's not inherent, but they just aren't as well educated and are therefore not suited for some jobs.

Do you go ahead and give them jobs they aren't qualified for anyways? That makes no sense. The problem needs to be remedied earlier on, when the kids are in school. Part of that responsibility goes to the government to do what they can to be sure the resources are available, but a lot of the responsibility is the parents'. The kids have grown up in a culture of oppression that is now transitioning into one of entitlement. If instead they worked towards one of achievement, maybe the next generation of kids wouldn't need dumbed down requirements to get into good schools or get promoted, etc.

B answer deleted and... apparently when I rewrote it I continued with C. Good show uidzero. Ty.

cot: What don't they get axed? To work harder?

HAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for making me spit up my drink.

/can I axe you a question?
//finna kick your ass
///ebonics is for another thread...

to think logically is a racist tactic!

/neo-liberal
//liberterian, myself.
///not racist

WTF would they need a question about lemons on a FEDEx test?

Infarct great story. Honestly, I can imagine a black doctor might have to have a pretty good sense of humor or a thick skin.

Yeah, make FedEx give unqualified minorities preference in hiring/promotion. That's a great idea--We really could use another United States Postal Service.

TheSignPost: That UPS supervisor mentioned above, re: trying to suggest maths tests for new employees..... if I were him, I would have had to quit. That would drive me insane....

He needed/needs his job. Unless he had another one lined up.

Oh, and another thing about the guy who is a UPS supervisor: he was up for a scholarship at a prestigious prep school, but was among the last cut from the running. He found out, later, that certain "minorities" w/inferior test scores and grades got scholarships. And the "funny" thing is: he's partly Cherokee, so he could have clamed "minority" status, as well. He didn't think it was relevant.

Farkin A

WTF would they need a question about lemons on a FEDEx test?

Or you could miss the point entirely..... Either way.

Please, please don't mess with FedEx (or UPS) Those companies are like the closest thing to real magic that I know of. You go click, clickity, click on your computer and about 20 hours later (well 40 now that I live in Hawaii) a friendly guy in a white (or brown) truck pulls up and passes me my latest gee-gaw.

I have to practically beg people "DO NOT USE THE POSTAL SERVICE!!!!" those clowns ALWAYS leave a yellow slip in my mailbox saying I wasn't home and never so much as honk their horn. Then I have to drive to the post office the next day and stand in a freakin' line behind people who will show up with unpackaged crap and 8 party checks. Grrrrrr.

The UPS and FedEx guys I know on a first name basis and will call my cellphone if I'm not there, just in case I'm close by.

I had to take a personality test once for a job and one of the questions was (T or F) I like tall women.

Being a short but straight woman, I couldn't figure out what in the world the correct answer for me ought to be. Couldn't skip it.

I have tall female friends so I finally said T.

But I don't LIKE tall women, really. I just sort of tolerate them, and am happiest when they are sitting and picking up the check.

"I hate the way they portray us at the courier. They see a black family, they say, "no promotion." They see a white family, they say, "you're hired." And, you know, it's been a long time because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about it, I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the news because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before studying for the test, so now I'm calling my lawyer right now to see what is the biggest amount I can get, and just to imagine if I was down there, and those are my people down there. So anybody out there that wants to join this class action-- with the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off, this is the only way. I mean, UPS is doing everything they can. We already realize a lot of people that could work are on the couch right now, drinking another beer -- and they've given them permission to go down and fire us! George Bush doesn't like black people."

Question 5:

You and three of your G's are on someone else's turf.There's a posse of eight homies, just sittin' in front of their crib.They decide they wanta throw down . . .
They have six baseball bats and two chains. You have three brass knuckles and two sawed-off pool cues (y'know, "Jimmy Sticks"). . . Now what I want to know is what is the ratio of metal weapons to wooden ones, and how much will it cost to ship the wooden weapons next day to Philly?

I'll make this real BASIC:

10 Blacks and hispanics are poor
20 they go to poor schools
30 they don't get an equal education
40 they don't do as well on tests
50 they don't get promoted
60 GOTO 10

I bet poor whites don't do as well on the test either

Racism exists everywhere and for the most part, we all have some bigotry. It is part of being human to group and pre-judge. It takes strength to look beyond personal bias.

Personally, I think Fedex might be guilty in that they did not identify the problem beforehand. We all know that minorities aren't as smart as white people.

eldezod: For example, the SAT asked something about snow and skiing, and the report argued that skiing is something that is done mosty by upper-middle to upper class people, also mostly white.


That is just retarded. I have never gone skiing, but I would have no problem answering a question about it. On the SAT it would either mean something like:

You are skiing down a 30 degree slope a 32 mph, if you reach the bottom in 3 minutes, what color is your jumpsuit?

or it would mean simply knowing what type of word ski or skiing is.

I find it very hard to believe that a test question could be truly racially deterministic simply because of something like that.

The Icelander: I bet poor whites don't do as well on the test either

I wouldn't go so far as to absolve them of any responsibility whatsoever for their situation. That mindset is part of the reason they're there.

Who wants to join my class action law suit against the government? Their low-income eligibility for welfare benefits deliberately discriminates against white folk.

Actually, I don't believe that Asians are considered minorities by the ACLU or government. Can anyone verify?

It's interesting that a Canadian only has to say something good a-boot their own country and people jump up and accuse us of being pompous.

This is not the case at all. I was simply stating the law in Canada. This is neither better nor worse than the US. Just different!

And to be clear, I am not saying that social discrimination doesn't exist in Canada. I am saying that the law does not allow it in any form, unlike in the US. That's it, that's all.

There is no need to make more out of it.

Tallgordon

The key is, that's 400 years. Most of the black men today don't have the problem of being a slave, or not being able to read, or do simple math, or managing a cell phone plan, or car payments, or watching TV where you can learn about 'white' things like skiing. I understand that racism still exists, but it doesn't keep you from passing a damn test. Tell our black valedictorian that all us white people are holding him back. Nothing stopped him from listening in class and doing his homework.

White, black, latin, spanish, I don't give a crap. If you come near me wearing your hat sideways, pants below your ass, and don't speak with proper enunciation I will call you whatever stupid racist term I feel like silently as I smile. You've earned it.

Judge a man by the content of his character. If that character is stupid and doesn't understand what working hard and working smart get you, then let us all judge you accordingly.

You give liberals a bad name.

I haven't done CRAP to hold back any race of people, so don't hold me back when I go for a test because some latino scored just below me, but he's latin, so we'll give him a few more points for free to meet a quota. Blame Univision for enforcing redciulous stereotypes of spanish culture. Go argue with BET that their rap about rape, murder, drugs, etc. somehow HELPS people. Stop living in the past, the current problems are different.

Give minorities extra points like they do on civil service exams. Maybe throw in 40 acres and a mule too.

Tallgordon: Welcome to the world of standardized testing.

Yes, standardized tests discriminate against races that are generally considered impoverished.

Yes, these tests involve mostly material that is considered by most to indicate 'objective intelligence.'

So either blacks and hispanics are inherently stupid, so fark em.

Or else 400 years of indoctrinating people to believe that black people are violent, simple-minded, oversexed brutes in order to justify their systematic enslavement and oppression, in addition to raping their women, eliminating all family ties and selling their children, outlawing their literacy, lynching the ones who whistle or look at you funny, and then assassinating or arresting every last one of their effective political leaders, had something to do with it.

I choose to believe the latter. Because I'm a crazy liberal.

I remember a few years a go a Harvard student was murdered. Ten years earlier, she was fresh off the boat from Vietnam and couldn't speak a lick of English. Yet she'd worked hard enough to make it to Harvard w/out being a legacy or having a rich parent.

Why is it, pray tell, that this story has been repeated (w/some variation) so many times? Frequently, they go to the same inner city schools as other "minorities," yet academically thrive? Why is that?

man if you are using a 5 iron from 100 yards out, you are not playing golf very often or very well, or else you are a 9 year-old kid.
100 yards= wedge, (and I am a short knocker)
pro= 56 degree wedge

2005-09-29 01:14:23 PM HAMMERTOE

Can tests be racist? Can facts be racist? Doesn't racism require opinion? For example:


If I say that Industrial Revolution didn't happen in Africa; it happened in America, would that be racist? Or would I just be racist for pointing it out?

Actually, you would be wrong - Europe/UK were industrialized way before the US. The US just caught up faster.

The greatest program of systemic slaughter of a race in history: The Holocaust (European). Am I racist for pointing that out?

Depends on how you measure. Maybe not considering other genocides on earth that predates the 20th century.


the greatest Religious-based terrorization of innocents in history: Got to be either The crusades or The Inquisition.


Again, depends on how you measure. The first jihad was nasty at times (one could aruge the first crusade was a reaction to it).

If they gave a test with dumbed down questions, then they really can be sued for giving a different test to different nationalities. Actually, they would have to work on a quota system of hiring percentages, or even better (the idea I like) have classes so people could pass the test. Yes it costs more, but less than a class action lawsuit and does a lot of brand pride. I have gone through quite a few of the lawsuits so I have a little intelligence behind it. But you can not give a different test to different people, because you will be sued and rightly so.

"well that depends on if he has to pick up his ho."
"now that's what we call, a variable"

Bueller? Bueller?

ginko in coolaid - 'nuf said.

2005-09-29 12:47:40 PM Doktor Merkwrdiglieben

George Bush doesn't care about Fed Ex.
Wait...Fed Ex doesn't care about George Bush.
No, I know...Fed Bush doesn't care about Ex-Blacks.


Fed Bush hates Michael Jackson?

Soo...just stopping in...has anyone said anything offensive yet?

Our agency was having trouble getting "people" so they decided it best to change the passing mark from 80% to 60%. Wow! That really helped. Now we have to disqualify them later in the hiring process when they can't pass the reading proficiency test (or the criminal background checks).

I am glad that we do have some outstanding statistics for demographic representation though. Our city has a 3% African American populus, but 17% of our staff is African American. We have 10X the Asian demographic on our staff as the local population. We have about the same Hispanic demograhic as the documented population. Documented is a key word in that sentence. Our Caucasian staff is below the local demographic. I guess we are as diverse as we can be, given the tough hiring standards we set for ourselves.

plcow: Actually, I don't believe that Asians are considered minorities by the ACLU or government. Can anyone verify?

They're certainly minorities, but they aren't underrepresented minorities. Putting down that you're asian on a college app isnt going to get you in.

The Icelander Your argument leaves out PERSONAL RESPONSABILITY!!! I went to one of the poorest high schools in my state and I am sitting here doing research as a research chemist. My parents made no bones about the fact that I was going to college. I worked my butt off and learned above and beyoind what I was taught. And here I am.

uidzero
No the point is this is about a FedEx test so until you do get a copy of the test and give examples of how it is biased against certain groups then your whole commentary is worthless.

syberpud:
The first question was: "You're on the green on the 5th fairway. You're 100 yards from the hole, which club do you use?"

Second question: "Who won the Winston Cup in NASCAR last year?"

Holy crap, I couldn't answer either of these if I tried. Does that mean I'm a minority now? If so when do I get my new penis and/or dancing skills?

Maybe they are just too stupid to take a test, and it has nothing to do with who their mother farked.

trueaustinite

I think, for white football players, a first down should only have to be a net gain of 7 yards. Ten is just too hard for honkies.


Farking awesome.

The Icelander: I'll make this real BASIC:

10 Blacks and hispanics are poor
20 they go to poor schools
30 they don't get an equal education
40 they don't do as well on tests
50 they don't get promoted
60 GOTO 10



Could you make it Visual Basic? I'm more of an object oriented person....

This kind of stuff is a real shame. A large portion of racism in this country is reflexive. If we had true equality, it would admittedly piss off the worst kind of racists, but a lot of the casual, subliminal racism that pervades many people's thoughts (often to their own horror) would go away.

Example: the anti-black sentiment that is stirring up in many of the whites in this thread.

AxiomJackson: Holy crap, I couldn't answer either of these if I tried. Does that mean I'm a minority now?

It just means you're middle class. They need a good middle class white question to go along with those two rich/white trash ones.

Was it a drug test?

/ two tickets please
// going down

how exactly would thy change the test such that whites would not exceed over minorities. They are generally better educated so they are going to win every test no matter how you change it.

random256: Was it a drug test?


If they tested for crack but not meth, I'd consider that racist.

Sidi: Or it means the minorities went to worse schools, or they came from a culture that has systematically rejected intelligence in favor of glorifying violence, crime, and machismo.


with the same result that was mentioned before. That doesn't mean that they should be allowed to perform a job that they are not qualified for. I would feel sorry for anyone who actually didn't have the mental capacity to pass the test, but if you just never cared enough to learn anything, or thought that learning from "the man" was insulting, then I have no sympathy. Go to burger king, with the stupid white crackers who did the same.

cot
It's not inherent, but they just aren't as well educated and are therefore not suited for some jobs. ... Do you go ahead and give them jobs they aren't qualified for anyways?

There is logical fallacy in your answer, as well. This is, after all, FedEx. Not rocket science. My concern is that performance on the test will be weighed more heavily than other characteristics of a job applicant.

Unfortunately, I know very little about what FedEx's test actually tests and how important those skills are for the job. From what I know from my friend who works at UPS, doing the job is much more about dilligence and being able to work hard constantly and much less about booksmarts. A driver must be able to read, follow maps, scan packages, follow instructions. Whether a paper test can objectively measure those things is up for debate. I happen to think that a lot of those skills are better demonstrated through on-the-job performance than through a standardized test. If applicants demonstrate that they can scan and sort packages reliably, and work hard for 8 hours, and has a clean driving record, those factors are much more important to me than performance on a paper test

/now, if they're discriminated against because they have NO driving record, that's another matter altogether.

Personal responsibility is great when it's some poor guy who can't get a job because he can't read good. "He should have taught himself to read."

But if it's a Senate majority leader who is investigated for insider trading, or it's the CEO of a company who sold defective products that killed people, it's just business as usual or a Liberal plot.

Personal responsibility is what Republicans throw out so they don't have to feel guilt for cutting school budgets and social security. There's something called "social responsiblity" that they completely ignore, because it involves thinking about other people.

This is the kinda shiat that adds fuel to the fire of the people who are racist.

HockeyGod you're logic is flawed. The statements "hispanics fail twice as much as whites" and "twice as many hispanics fail than whites" are not the same. (Given equal abilitles) All 'races' should have the same failing percentage!

plcow: Actually, I don't believe that Asians are considered minorities by the ACLU or government. Can anyone verify?

Asians are certainly a minority as are mexicans. Don't believe me and you haven't seen the class action lawsuits (they are many)

Farkin A

No the point is this is about a FedEx test so until you do get a copy of the test and give examples of how it is biased against certain groups then your whole commentary is worthless.

OK, I'll grab you by your nose and lead you there. The example is from the ETS group, who make the SATs. IE: The masters of standardized FAIR testing. They encounter situations when one particular ethnic background is doing worse than another AND IT'S NOT RELATED TO INTELLIGENCE OR APTITUDE. The example I gave was a real SAT test question that had to be revised because people with a latin background we're doing poorly on it. It's an EXAMPLE so you can understand how it is possible that FedEx might need to revise their questions. It's an analogy.

Get it yet? If not, don't worry about it, you probably just can't understand.

Things like this bring out the closet idiots, I see. And the "I'm not racist" folk. FIne.


The purpose of civil rights legislation is to try to even the playing field systematically. (Those of y'all yapping about "I was poor/disadvantaged/stupid" - stop it.) From the hospitals you were born in to the neighborhoods you live, a system is in place that led you there.

I'm not saying this is right - on its face, it seems to have no merit. But this may be the only way to attack work conditions that keep minority folk from getting up the ladder.

"Not everything is about race. But everything is racial."
-someone I dont remember

I like fark.

That comment about coming from a society that glorifies anything other than education is what hits it on the head. I bet if I go adopt 2 niglets right now, they end up doing well on that test (if they choose to take it) 20 years from now.

Has nothing to do with race
catch 22

"FedEx knows that black and Hispanics fail at a much higher rate, but yet has not changed the test," Finberg said.

Just how race related can this friggin test be?

I'd be would be embarassed to take a handout.

I'm all for hiring by quota like at my old job. A great secretary goes and her replacement can't type, doesn't know how to use a computer and files a complaint for everything.

cot: What don't they get axed? To work harder?


I thought about including that joke, but decided not to. :)

Amy78: when I got home I looked at the address and sure enough it was correct, so I called back to complain.

I hope you are surrounded by people who go out of your way to make your life shiatty because of innocent mistakes.

Again, I don't have a very strong long game. I've only been playing a couple years and I gladly trade a strong swing for control. I use the larger club but swing gently to put the ball where I need it. If I used the 9 and swung my hardest I'd fade out of bounds.

Comicbookguy

I remember a few years a go a Harvard student was murdered. Ten years earlier, she was fresh off the boat from Vietnam and couldn't speak a lick of English. Yet she'd worked hard enough to make it to Harvard w/out being a legacy or having a rich parent.

Why is it, pray tell, that this story has been repeated (w/some variation) so many times? Frequently, they go to the same inner city schools as other "minorities," yet academically thrive? Why is that?

Because people think Asians are smart. God, give me a hard one.

Paddlenround- Racism exists everywhere and for the most part, we all have some bigotry. It is part of being human to group and pre-judge. It takes strength to look beyond personal bias.


Well put. I agree totally.

steve20832: One time they said they left a package at my back door.

Nevermind...too easy.

Well, if Fedex treats minorities like crap, what about UPS? They treat everyone like crap! DHL anyone?

Walljasper: It is a RACIST tool and we all know it. Thank you, my gubamint.


Yes, but in which way do you mean? This question is probably responsible for hiring more incompetent minorities than discriminating against them. If they need to fill a quota, they will grab a minority over a non-minority for a particular position.

I agree it shouldn't be there.

Well alot of things are Possible. Maybe the whole test asked normal unbiased questions and certain people just arent smart enough to answer them. As long as you admit that Possibility then maybe i can accept that you are as smart as you trying to make yourself seem.

cot:
It just means you're middle class. They need a good middle class white question to go along with those two rich/white trash ones.

Sweet, so being a perpetually broke college student with a $16,000 a year job puts me in middle class?
Whoo Hoo! I have arrived!

/just dosn't think long left turns are exciting
//also thinks chasing a ball with a club == boring
///three slashes for running

Espertron

Ahhh...combining racial humor, legal humor, AND a pop-culture reference! Brilliantly done.

/golf clap

The first question was: "You're on the green on the 5th fairway. You're 100 yards from the hole, which club do you use?"
Second question: "Who won the Winston Cup in NASCAR last year?"

I just realized that those a BOTH trick questions. Damn, I'm white.

i think that professional sports should also follow some sort of equal employment program.

every NBA teams needs to have a least three white guys on the team, even if they aren't fast, can't dunk, and can't jump at all.

also every NFL needs to have white guys in their secondary (john lynch not included)

DHL SUCKS

They left my computer outside in the rain when it said clearly on the box that I had to sign for it.

UPS

Consistant, haven't done me wrong.

FedEx

Pissing me off right now. I have to go pick up a package because it says they can't find my address. However, two other FedEx packages from the same vendor this month made it. Still, way better than DHL and on par with UPS.

Weaver95

I'm all for hiring by quota like at my old job. A great secretary goes and her replacement can't type, doesn't know how to use a computer and files a complaint for everything.

We got lucky - our token hire is fairly good at her job. At first it was pretty rocky. She was thin skinned, twitchy, didn't know procedure and took everything as a personal insult. After a while tho, she got the basics down and realized that not all the white people in the world were out to get her, they just wanted to get their job done and go home for the day.

I think it's likely you won't care, but I find you to be a disguting human being in the darkest sense of the word. Your life is vulgar. Good day.

I am a European-American. I once took a sample, general- knowledge, multiple-choice test that was designed to read like it had been written for black people, by black people. It had questions like "What is a chitlin?" and "Where would you find 'cornrows'?" I actually did okay. But all my honky classmates failed. It opened my eyes. Some tests are culturally skewed, whether intentional or no. I wouldn't call them racist unless the skewing was intentional.

I think the point is that most test designers don't even realize their questions contain a great deal more than just basic competency. There are questions that are hard to answer if you're not part of the dominant culture. If you are a black kid who grew up in the inner city, you have to master two cultures to succeed in life: your own, and the white one. It's sort of the equivalent of getting a job with the Canadian government. You must have basic fluency in French and English. If people are too lazy to make the effort, it's not because they're black. It's because they're lazy. Yet this provides racists with more fodder, because they can just point and say black=lazy, and since the end result is the same, they think they're right.

Laziness and ignorance are human traits, not racial ones.

SretiCentV

I bet if I go adopt 2 niglets right now, they end up doing well on that test (if they choose to take it) 20 years from now.

yeah, you sound like just the guy to effectively instruct our youth.

jmvbxx, language isn't protected. Just have to say you don't understand the person.

Tallgordon

"Or else 400 years of indoctrinating people to believe that black people are violent, simple-minded, oversexed brutes in order to justify their systematic enslavement and oppression, in addition to raping their women, eliminating all family ties and selling their children, outlawing their literacy, lynching the ones who whistle or look at you funny, and then assassinating or arresting every last one of their effective political leaders, had something to do with it.
I choose to believe the latter. Because I'm a crazy liberal."

Not to pick a fight, but what does that have to do with someone passing or failing an objective test today? What more can be done to help blacks (the rest of the minorities, including hispanics, asians, and east indians seem to be doing fine) Do you really think that it is too much to expect blacks to pass these tests, or it is better for them to make the tests eaiser to "everyone" can pass them?

2005-09-29 01:01:00 PM dasc


A 100 yard long green? You clearly aren't white. If I'm 100 yards from the hole I'd go with my 5 iron. There is only one approriate club for the green.

And you are either 90yrs old or cant play worth a shiat.

syberpud:
The first question was: "You're on the green on the 5th fairway. You're 100 yards from the hole, which club do you use?"

LOL trick question. You can't be on the green and on the fairway at the same time. Also, you can't be on the green and 100 yards from the hole at the same time.

/but I would use my wedge

Paddlenround:Personally, I think Fedex might be guilty in that they did not identify the problem beforehand. We all know that minorities aren't as smart as white people.

HA HA HA!

/kill whitey
//kidding
///kill whitey
////kidding

peaceful warrior - point taken. however, there is a difference between not knowing what a chitlin is and not knowing what the square root of 81 is.

jmvbxx: Thank G-d we don't have this problem in Canada. We are not allowed to keep track of employees by race. Certainly racism exists in Canada but for the most part it's a non-issue.


I think that would be the case here if we would just get rid of all of the tracking, and EEO policies.

AxiomJackson: Sweet, so being a perpetually broke college student with a $16,000 a year job puts me in middle class?

You're in college, aren't you?

Equality isn't fair!

Have you all ever considered the possbility, right or wrong, that blacks just aren't as smart as other races? I am not saying that is the case, but let's cut through the sh*t here. a question framed in the context o0f skiing, if mathematically solvable is not racist, just because it mentions skiing (although better choices should have been made). a test is not culturally biased or racist because one race scores lower on it than another. That is just stupid.

Tallgordon: Comicbookguy

I remember a few years a go a Harvard student was murdered. Ten years earlier, she was fresh off the boat from Vietnam and couldn't speak a lick of English. Yet she'd worked hard enough to make it to Harvard w/out being a legacy or having a rich parent.

Why is it, pray tell, that this story has been repeated (w/some variation) so many times? Frequently, they go to the same inner city schools as other "minorities," yet academically thrive? Why is that?

Because people think Asians are smart. God, give me a hard one.

I knew from your Boobies it was a waste of time talking to you, and my post wasn't really directed at you. Perhaps I should have said so, explicitly. Of course, that would presume you'd understand my caveat, which presumes a lot.

A lot

peepee mcpoop: peaceful warrior - point taken. however, there is a difference between not knowing what a chitlin is and not knowing what the square root of 81 is.

I doubt very highly that that would be a question on a drivers test. I think it would be more questions on driving ability and timing questions. These are questions which may take race into account.

ComicBookGuy

I remember a few years a go a Harvard student was murdered. Ten years earlier, she was fresh off the boat from Vietnam and couldn't speak a lick of English. Yet she'd worked hard enough to make it to Harvard w/out being a legacy or having a rich parent.

Why is it, pray tell, that this story has been repeated (w/some variation) so many times? Frequently, they go to the same inner city schools as other "minorities," yet academically thrive? Why is that?

That's the easiest question I've gotten all day. These Asian kids study their asses off, and they couldn't give two shiats about questions with a 'racial slant' to them.

Why don't all minorities study hard? Blame the parents, the culture, blame everything and everyone, but these kids just don't like to study.

The Icelander First of all, it's 'read well'. But that's probably racist to point that out.

The fact is that, ultimately, there is one and only one person who is responsible for me and my status in life. ME. Therefore, I must take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for myself. The choices I make are mine. I chose to study in school, not go out every night and party or to sit at home and watch TV or play video games. The government never enters into the equation!

By equating a lack of personal responsibility to racism, the effect of real racism is minimized and trivialized. By having the government force their responsibility upon us, we lose self-reliance and pride.

And finally, this is not a political issue (and your assumption as to my political leanings was incorrect.)

President Bush does not care about black people!

Wait what were we talking about?

fangless: FedEx

Pissing me off right now. I have to go pick up a package because it says they can't find my address. However, two other FedEx packages from the same vendor this month made it. Still, way better than DHL and on par with UPS.


i'm guessing the two packages you received were assigned to a driver who could pass the required examination and the one that wasn't delivered was assigned to a driver who goy his job because of affirmative action.

too-old:

peepee mcpoop: peaceful warrior - point taken. however, there is a difference between not knowing what a chitlin is and not knowing what the square root of 81 is.

I doubt very highly that that would be a question on a drivers test. I think it would be more questions on driving ability and timing questions. These are questions which may take race into account.



can you give me an example of how a question on a driver's test could be written to favor a white person or vice versa for a black person?

Weaver95: You're right - I don't care.

Again, you won't care, but he's not the only one.

Doktor Merkwrdiglieben
You sound as if you come from german heritage.

NAACP needs a enema with a firehouse.

You know with all the braincloggingness happing.

So if we were all made in God's image, and evolution is a lie, how come there are different races?

Sidi

Honestly, I can imagine a black doctor might have to have a pretty good sense of humor or a thick skin.

Oh, a thick black skin, I suppose? Racist.



/just kidding, don't flame me...

peacefulwarrior,

I'm sure it is possible to write cultural questions that more whites will answer correctly than Blacks, but I've yet to see one.

Could you give us an example of one of these questions found to be racist?

Not one of your own, one that is currently being asked.

cot:
You're in college, aren't you?

Good point. You know after a good 30+ hour work-week and a 14 hour class schedual, I really should take time out to think about all those poor unfortunate lower class people. You know, while I'm boiling my daily ration of Ramen noodles.

Hey, has anyone in this thread played the race card yet?

we can reap what we sow. in 20 years blacks and whites will be equal once again as we struggle side by side to learn CHINESE.

too-old Actually, Scots-Irish. Doktor Merkwoerdiglieben is a direct German translation of Dr. Strangelove. It comes from the movie.

peacefulwarrior

I think the point is that most test designers don't even realize their questions contain a great deal more than just basic competency. There are questions that are hard to answer if you're not part of the dominant culture. If you are a black kid who grew up in the inner city, you have to master two cultures to succeed in life: your own, and the white one.


My dear peacefulwarrior:

You are a retard.

Kind regards,
--fark

// Indian and Chinese kids routinely score 750+ on SAT's.
// (Some even get 800's on SAT's) -- SAT's taken in
// their own country. (those SAT's are the genuine
// college board/ets SAT's).

dasc:
A 100 yard long green? You clearly aren't white. If I'm 100 yards from the hole I'd go with my 5 iron. There is only one approriate club for the green.

Actually, according the the PGA rules I read last week, the entire playing area from tee to cup is considered the green. The short grass surrounding the hole is called the putting green.

Man, there are some pissed off people in this thread. And nobody seemed to agree with my Griggs v. Duke Power reference.

/disappointed

firefly212, you have just single handedly destroyed the KKK.

congrats.

Everybody is completely equal in every single way.

uidzero: /I want real equality, and yes, that means if one race is failing out of proportion, we need to take a look at the test, because it's quite possible it is slanted against them. NOT doing so would be favoritism.


I will agree that the test should be looked at, and this type of thing considered. But a defacto cry of racism because one group is failing out of proportion is not the way to go. There are other reasons that a group might fail.

And when looking at the test and determining if certain questions need to be changed or omitted, the MOST important thing to consider is, "Does changing or omitting this question lower the standandards of the test, and might it allow an unquallified person into this job?" If the answer is "Yes," then the question needs to be left as is. Proportions of ethnicity are not as important as maintaining the standards of proficiency for the job. If it is a simple logic question like the one you used, no problem changing it. If it is something that the applicant NEEDS to know for the job, but a disproportinate number of minorities do not have the requried knowledge, maybe some sort of training program should be offered for applicants.

All they have to do is analyze the test questions against the race of the test takers. Throw out the questions where the races score differently.

If there are any questions left, use those and ditch the rest.

/Asian
//Race quotas keep Asians out because we score better
///But since I'm Filipino I check "Hispanic" when it's convenient

Lovely. I notice that Arizona is right on the list. Maybe they'll want to change the test to make it only available in Spanish, that way only the Hispanics will be able to get the Fed Ex jobs. That ought to clear things right up!

/Am sick of going to McDonalds, Joanne Fabrics, Albertsons, etc., and not being able to find anyone who speaksa de English.

Minorities praise ignorance and look down on "geeks" or intelligent people.

Of course they fail these tests. Typically (not all) minorities don't have the skills to excel acedemically because its "not cool" to them.

Felgraf: Dislikes all *real* racism.

Hear hear!

what about the following question on a driver' test, would it possibly favor white people?

when playing polo, how many horses are used?

peepee mcpoop: can you give me an example of how a question on a driver's test could be written to favor a white person or vice versa for a black person?

Just a basic truck driving test. Impoverished may not be able to do it as they were not trained, but with training could be very astute.

George Bush doesn't care about FedEx.

Sidi: Or it means the minorities went to worse schools, or they came from a culture that has systematically rejected intelligence in favor of glorifying violence, crime, and machismo.

And who created and continues to buy into this "culture"? That "the man's" fault?

hey UIDZERO,

i thought that your Boobies was a perfect example. don't worry about Farkin A. no one could be that retarted and still be able to use a computer, he just a troll.

peace!

nytmare: I don't understand a thing So_it_goes said.

That's because yesterday he worked for Tom Delay. He's new at UPS so give him a break.

For example, the SAT asked something about snow and skiing, and the report argued that skiing is something that is done mosty by upper-middle to upper class people, also mostly white.

that is so stupid. im white and know nothing about skiing. its not racial, if anything its based on class. the fact that most wealthy people are white shouldnt have anything to do with it.

cheese 'n rice: I remember a few years a go a Harvard student was murdered. Ten years earlier, she was fresh off the boat from Vietnam and couldn't speak a lick of English. Yet she'd worked hard enough to make it to Harvard w/out being a legacy or having a rich parent.

Why is it, pray tell, that this story has been repeated (w/some variation) so many times? Frequently, they go to the same inner city schools as other "minorities," yet academically thrive? Why is that?

That's the easiest question I've gotten all day. These Asian kids study their asses off, and they couldn't give two shiats about questions with a 'racial slant' to them.

Why don't all minorities study hard? Blame the parents, the culture, blame everything and everyone, but these kids just don't like to study.

Concerning that Harvard student: What impressed me most was that she had to play catch up, BIG TIME, to get where she was.

Too bad about the stabbing, though.

DanceswithSlugs

Thanks for not picking a fight.

What I think that 400 years of oppression has to do with passing a test today is two things.

The first I think is easy to see: widespread poverty and breakdown of the family. While it is true that people can rise out of poverty and succeed, I don't think anyone will argue that parents' wealth and education are a huge factor in determining how a child will end up. How your family speaks, what kind of reading habits they have, what kind of expectations they have, what kind of connections they have, what school district they live in, will influence your future immensely. Even if a poor family has a brilliant child, they may not encourage the child to go to a good college and reach their full potential.

The second thing is much harder to prove, and that is the psychological impact of racism. I think it's very clear from observing popular culture or just observing this thread that there is a widespread expectation that black people will fail, that they are more prone to criminal activity. I have only ever seen one scientific study done to test this theory. In it, two groups of black people were given a standardized test. The first group was asked before the test began to identify their race. The second group was not. The second group scored 6% higher than the first. The implication was that even that small reminder of a person's race was enough to make them score less on a test.

I don't know what the effects of the psychological pressure of racism are, but I do know that the pressure itself is huge. Racism is everywhere. I believe that these two things account for the difference in standardized test scores. I also believe that the should be counterbalanced through affirmative action.

Mirrorz: Racist or not, their service blows.

It's because you're a goddamn inbred Texan son of a biatch.