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(CNN)   FedEx class action lawsuit produces this gem: "FedEx knows that black and Hispanics fail at a much higher rate, but yet has not changed the test (for promotion)"   (cnn.com) divider line 601
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2005-09-29 01:34:35 PM
Walljasper: It is a RACIST tool and we all know it. Thank you, my gubamint.


Yes, but in which way do you mean? This question is probably responsible for hiring more incompetent minorities than discriminating against them. If they need to fill a quota, they will grab a minority over a non-minority for a particular position.

I agree it shouldn't be there.
 
2005-09-29 01:34:42 PM
Well alot of things are Possible. Maybe the whole test asked normal unbiased questions and certain people just arent smart enough to answer them. As long as you admit that Possibility then maybe i can accept that you are as smart as you trying to make yourself seem.
 
2005-09-29 01:35:07 PM
cot:
It just means you're middle class. They need a good middle class white question to go along with those two rich/white trash ones.

Sweet, so being a perpetually broke college student with a $16,000 a year job puts me in middle class?
Whoo Hoo! I have arrived!

/just dosn't think long left turns are exciting
//also thinks chasing a ball with a club == boring
///three slashes for running
 
2005-09-29 01:35:34 PM
Espertron

Ahhh...combining racial humor, legal humor, AND a pop-culture reference! Brilliantly done.

/golf clap
 
2005-09-29 01:36:12 PM
The first question was: "You're on the green on the 5th fairway. You're 100 yards from the hole, which club do you use?"
Second question: "Who won the Winston Cup in NASCAR last year?"


I just realized that those a BOTH trick questions. Damn, I'm white.
 
2005-09-29 01:36:30 PM
i think that professional sports should also follow some sort of equal employment program.

every NBA teams needs to have a least three white guys on the team, even if they aren't fast, can't dunk, and can't jump at all.

also every NFL needs to have white guys in their secondary (john lynch not included)
 
2005-09-29 01:36:57 PM
DHL SUCKS

They left my computer outside in the rain when it said clearly on the box that I had to sign for it.

UPS

Consistant, haven't done me wrong.

FedEx

Pissing me off right now. I have to go pick up a package because it says they can't find my address. However, two other FedEx packages from the same vendor this month made it. Still, way better than DHL and on par with UPS.
 
2005-09-29 01:37:54 PM
Weaver95

I'm all for hiring by quota like at my old job. A great secretary goes and her replacement can't type, doesn't know how to use a computer and files a complaint for everything.

We got lucky - our token hire is fairly good at her job. At first it was pretty rocky. She was thin skinned, twitchy, didn't know procedure and took everything as a personal insult. After a while tho, she got the basics down and realized that not all the white people in the world were out to get her, they just wanted to get their job done and go home for the day.


I think it's likely you won't care, but I find you to be a disguting human being in the darkest sense of the word. Your life is vulgar. Good day.
 
2005-09-29 01:38:07 PM
I am a European-American. I once took a sample, general- knowledge, multiple-choice test that was designed to read like it had been written for black people, by black people. It had questions like "What is a chitlin?" and "Where would you find 'cornrows'?" I actually did okay. But all my honky classmates failed. It opened my eyes. Some tests are culturally skewed, whether intentional or no. I wouldn't call them racist unless the skewing was intentional.

I think the point is that most test designers don't even realize their questions contain a great deal more than just basic competency. There are questions that are hard to answer if you're not part of the dominant culture. If you are a black kid who grew up in the inner city, you have to master two cultures to succeed in life: your own, and the white one. It's sort of the equivalent of getting a job with the Canadian government. You must have basic fluency in French and English. If people are too lazy to make the effort, it's not because they're black. It's because they're lazy. Yet this provides racists with more fodder, because they can just point and say black=lazy, and since the end result is the same, they think they're right.

Laziness and ignorance are human traits, not racial ones.
 
2005-09-29 01:38:17 PM
weet, so being a perpetually broke college student with a $16,000 a year job puts me in middle class?

Sarcasm aside, what IS the cutoff for middle class these days?
 
2005-09-29 01:39:08 PM
SretiCentV

I bet if I go adopt 2 niglets right now, they end up doing well on that test (if they choose to take it) 20 years from now.


yeah, you sound like just the guy to effectively instruct our youth.
 
2005-09-29 01:39:08 PM
jmvbxx, language isn't protected. Just have to say you don't understand the person.
 
2005-09-29 01:39:16 PM
Tallgordon

"Or else 400 years of indoctrinating people to believe that black people are violent, simple-minded, oversexed brutes in order to justify their systematic enslavement and oppression, in addition to raping their women, eliminating all family ties and selling their children, outlawing their literacy, lynching the ones who whistle or look at you funny, and then assassinating or arresting every last one of their effective political leaders, had something to do with it.
I choose to believe the latter. Because I'm a crazy liberal."

Not to pick a fight, but what does that have to do with someone passing or failing an objective test today? What more can be done to help blacks (the rest of the minorities, including hispanics, asians, and east indians seem to be doing fine) Do you really think that it is too much to expect blacks to pass these tests, or it is better for them to make the tests eaiser to "everyone" can pass them?
 
2005-09-29 01:39:38 PM
2005-09-29 01:01:00 PM dasc


A 100 yard long green? You clearly aren't white. If I'm 100 yards from the hole I'd go with my 5 iron. There is only one approriate club for the green.

And you are either 90yrs old or cant play worth a shiat.
 
2005-09-29 01:39:46 PM
syberpud:
The first question was: "You're on the green on the 5th fairway. You're 100 yards from the hole, which club do you use?"

LOL trick question. You can't be on the green and on the fairway at the same time. Also, you can't be on the green and 100 yards from the hole at the same time.

/but I would use my wedge

 
2005-09-29 01:40:11 PM
Paddlenround:Personally, I think Fedex might be guilty in that they did not identify the problem beforehand. We all know that minorities aren't as smart as white people.

HA HA HA!

/kill whitey
//kidding
///kill whitey
////kidding
 
2005-09-29 01:40:26 PM
I think it's likely you won't care, but I find you to be a disguting human being in the darkest sense of the word. Your life is vulgar. Good day.

You're right - I don't care.
 
2005-09-29 01:40:48 PM
peaceful warrior - point taken. however, there is a difference between not knowing what a chitlin is and not knowing what the square root of 81 is.
 
2005-09-29 01:41:36 PM
jmvbxx: Thank G-d we don't have this problem in Canada. We are not allowed to keep track of employees by race. Certainly racism exists in Canada but for the most part it's a non-issue.


I think that would be the case here if we would just get rid of all of the tracking, and EEO policies.
 
cot
2005-09-29 01:42:06 PM
AxiomJackson: Sweet, so being a perpetually broke college student with a $16,000 a year job puts me in middle class?

You're in college, aren't you?
 
2005-09-29 01:42:31 PM
Equality isn't fair!
 
2005-09-29 01:42:47 PM
Have you all ever considered the possbility, right or wrong, that blacks just aren't as smart as other races? I am not saying that is the case, but let's cut through the sh*t here. a question framed in the context o0f skiing, if mathematically solvable is not racist, just because it mentions skiing (although better choices should have been made). a test is not culturally biased or racist because one race scores lower on it than another. That is just stupid.
 
2005-09-29 01:42:58 PM
Tallgordon: Comicbookguy

I remember a few years a go a Harvard student was murdered. Ten years earlier, she was fresh off the boat from Vietnam and couldn't speak a lick of English. Yet she'd worked hard enough to make it to Harvard w/out being a legacy or having a rich parent.

Why is it, pray tell, that this story has been repeated (w/some variation) so many times? Frequently, they go to the same inner city schools as other "minorities," yet academically thrive? Why is that?

Because people think Asians are smart. God, give me a hard one.


I knew from your Boobies it was a waste of time talking to you, and my post wasn't really directed at you. Perhaps I should have said so, explicitly. Of course, that would presume you'd understand my caveat, which presumes a lot.

A lot
 
2005-09-29 01:43:22 PM
peepee mcpoop: peaceful warrior - point taken. however, there is a difference between not knowing what a chitlin is and not knowing what the square root of 81 is.

I doubt very highly that that would be a question on a drivers test. I think it would be more questions on driving ability and timing questions. These are questions which may take race into account.
 
2005-09-29 01:43:33 PM
ComicBookGuy

I remember a few years a go a Harvard student was murdered. Ten years earlier, she was fresh off the boat from Vietnam and couldn't speak a lick of English. Yet she'd worked hard enough to make it to Harvard w/out being a legacy or having a rich parent.

Why is it, pray tell, that this story has been repeated (w/some variation) so many times? Frequently, they go to the same inner city schools as other "minorities," yet academically thrive? Why is that?


That's the easiest question I've gotten all day. These Asian kids study their asses off, and they couldn't give two shiats about questions with a 'racial slant' to them.

Why don't all minorities study hard? Blame the parents, the culture, blame everything and everyone, but these kids just don't like to study.
 
2005-09-29 01:43:41 PM
I think that would be the case here if we would just get rid of all of the tracking, and EEO policies.

Good luck getting that to happen tho.
 
2005-09-29 01:44:05 PM
The Icelander First of all, it's 'read well'. But that's probably racist to point that out.

The fact is that, ultimately, there is one and only one person who is responsible for me and my status in life. ME. Therefore, I must take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for myself. The choices I make are mine. I chose to study in school, not go out every night and party or to sit at home and watch TV or play video games. The government never enters into the equation!

By equating a lack of personal responsibility to racism, the effect of real racism is minimized and trivialized. By having the government force their responsibility upon us, we lose self-reliance and pride.

And finally, this is not a political issue (and your assumption as to my political leanings was incorrect.)
 
2005-09-29 01:44:51 PM
President Bush does not care about black people!

Wait what were we talking about?
 
2005-09-29 01:45:12 PM
fangless: FedEx

Pissing me off right now. I have to go pick up a package because it says they can't find my address. However, two other FedEx packages from the same vendor this month made it. Still, way better than DHL and on par with UPS.



i'm guessing the two packages you received were assigned to a driver who could pass the required examination and the one that wasn't delivered was assigned to a driver who goy his job because of affirmative action.
 
2005-09-29 01:46:24 PM
too-old:

peepee mcpoop: peaceful warrior - point taken. however, there is a difference between not knowing what a chitlin is and not knowing what the square root of 81 is.

I doubt very highly that that would be a question on a drivers test. I think it would be more questions on driving ability and timing questions. These are questions which may take race into account.



can you give me an example of how a question on a driver's test could be written to favor a white person or vice versa for a black person?
 
cot
2005-09-29 01:46:28 PM
Weaver95: You're right - I don't care.

Again, you won't care, but he's not the only one.
 
2005-09-29 01:46:37 PM
Doktor Merkwrdiglieben
You sound as if you come from german heritage.
 
2005-09-29 01:47:06 PM
NAACP needs a enema with a firehouse.

You know with all the braincloggingness happing.
 
2005-09-29 01:47:10 PM
So if we were all made in God's image, and evolution is a lie, how come there are different races?
 
2005-09-29 01:47:30 PM
Sidi

Honestly, I can imagine a black doctor might have to have a pretty good sense of humor or a thick skin.

Oh, a thick black skin, I suppose? Racist.



/just kidding, don't flame me...
 
2005-09-29 01:47:45 PM
peacefulwarrior,

I'm sure it is possible to write cultural questions that more whites will answer correctly than Blacks, but I've yet to see one.

Could you give us an example of one of these questions found to be racist?

Not one of your own, one that is currently being asked.
 
2005-09-29 01:47:53 PM
cot:
You're in college, aren't you?

Good point. You know after a good 30+ hour work-week and a 14 hour class schedual, I really should take time out to think about all those poor unfortunate lower class people. You know, while I'm boiling my daily ration of Ramen noodles.
 
2005-09-29 01:47:53 PM
Again, you won't care, but he's not the only one.

I call 'em like I see 'em. Not my problem if you or someone else dosen't like it.
 
2005-09-29 01:48:12 PM
Hey, has anyone in this thread played the race card yet?
 
2005-09-29 01:48:35 PM
we can reap what we sow. in 20 years blacks and whites will be equal once again as we struggle side by side to learn CHINESE.
 
2005-09-29 01:48:44 PM
This is like saying the NFL and NBA are racist organizations. That it discriminates against White, Hispanic, and Asian individuals. That they should test one fair qualities that dont have anything to do with athletic ability.

TOTALLY DUMBASS
 
2005-09-29 01:48:46 PM
too-old Actually, Scots-Irish. Doktor Merkwoerdiglieben is a direct German translation of Dr. Strangelove. It comes from the movie.
 
2005-09-29 01:49:19 PM
So if we were all made in God's image, and evolution is a lie, how come there are different races?

Well...according to Louis Farrikhan, white people were made by the devil.
 
2005-09-29 01:49:29 PM
peacefulwarrior

I think the point is that most test designers don't even realize their questions contain a great deal more than just basic competency. There are questions that are hard to answer if you're not part of the dominant culture. If you are a black kid who grew up in the inner city, you have to master two cultures to succeed in life: your own, and the white one.


My dear peacefulwarrior:

You are a retard.

Kind regards,
--fark

// Indian and Chinese kids routinely score 750+ on SAT's.
// (Some even get 800's on SAT's) -- SAT's taken in
// their own country. (those SAT's are the genuine
// college board/ets SAT's).
 
2005-09-29 01:49:31 PM
dasc:
A 100 yard long green? You clearly aren't white. If I'm 100 yards from the hole I'd go with my 5 iron. There is only one approriate club for the green.

Actually, according the the PGA rules I read last week, the entire playing area from tee to cup is considered the green. The short grass surrounding the hole is called the putting green.
 
2005-09-29 01:50:31 PM
Man, there are some pissed off people in this thread. And nobody seemed to agree with my Griggs v. Duke Power reference.

/disappointed
 
2005-09-29 01:50:53 PM
firefly212, you have just single handedly destroyed the KKK.

congrats.
 
2005-09-29 01:50:56 PM
Everybody is completely equal in every single way.
 
2005-09-29 01:51:27 PM
uidzero: /I want real equality, and yes, that means if one race is failing out of proportion, we need to take a look at the test, because it's quite possible it is slanted against them. NOT doing so would be favoritism.


I will agree that the test should be looked at, and this type of thing considered. But a defacto cry of racism because one group is failing out of proportion is not the way to go. There are other reasons that a group might fail.

And when looking at the test and determining if certain questions need to be changed or omitted, the MOST important thing to consider is, "Does changing or omitting this question lower the standandards of the test, and might it allow an unquallified person into this job?" If the answer is "Yes," then the question needs to be left as is. Proportions of ethnicity are not as important as maintaining the standards of proficiency for the job. If it is a simple logic question like the one you used, no problem changing it. If it is something that the applicant NEEDS to know for the job, but a disproportinate number of minorities do not have the requried knowledge, maybe some sort of training program should be offered for applicants.
 
2005-09-29 01:51:41 PM
All they have to do is analyze the test questions against the race of the test takers. Throw out the questions where the races score differently.

If there are any questions left, use those and ditch the rest.

/Asian
//Race quotas keep Asians out because we score better
///But since I'm Filipino I check "Hispanic" when it's convenient
 
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