You can pretty much look at somebody and tell that they have some heart conditions. Somebody who is 6'11" at 17 is a likely candidate.

I must be slow today, because I don't get dittybopper's making plays on Lenny Bias' name.

Was this some kind of lame attempt at a joke?

ChairmanKaga

They do have a DNA test for racism, but it is racist to administer it.

Dear God,

Can we please step up that whole Apocalypse thing? The sooner the better.

Yours in Your Son,
Craos

Oreochimaru

gimpel, the_marq
Do you two even know what eugenics is? Stop being so paranoid.


Do you even know what sarcasm is? Stop being so hardassed.

i think he is mostly worried because the DNA test may reveal that he is black.

Animatronik: /This is why I decided years ago that we are heading toward naiotnalized medicine in the US whether we like it or not
//still don't like Hillary.

Yeah, that's a good point. At the very least it looks like we'll end up with that "bad driver insurance" that only the uninsurable will be able to get.

How shiatty is that - your own DNA used to prevent you from getting health insurance.

By definition, the word racism can't be applied to other people, as we're all of the same species, genus, and race. There are people with differing cultures, and religions and pigmentations, but they're all Homo Sapiens. Ergo, there can be no such thing as racism, when referring to other people.

Unless you hate all dogs, or all cats. Then you are a racist.

this wouldn't be happening if he was white. of course, if he was white, he would be playing for the celtics.

"...the test certainly makes sense. It is, for example, now apparent that professional boxers who have two E4 genes are at such risk of developing early Alzheimer's that boxers are indeed best advised to take a test and not box if they find themselves with two E4s. One in six boxers get Parkinson's disease or Alzheimer's..."

He should be advised of test HE should take. His employer should have nothing to do with it. If he feels that playing is worth the risk of death, that's his choice.

what they ought to test for is stupidity. Like when jay williams was standing at midcourt talking to coach k, and steve blake stripped the ball from him and laid it up. that right there could tell you that your lottery pick is a little slow on the uptake.

C-Nut

A race is a population of humans distinguished from other populations. The most widely used racial categories are based on visible traits (especially skin color and facial features).

You don't know what you're talking about. Nice try tho. Now sit your ass on the curb.

Hey, let's test beer-belly coaches for the "I got this job through the good ol' boys club" gene. I mean, since they are just making shiat up about peoples' futures, why not fire some coaches while we're at it using more BS.

peepee mcpoop: hey, since he's trying out for the NBA, he's probably afraid that it might show that he's white. Or worse, Mexican. There are just some ethnicities that can't excel at being 7 feet tall and rolling a ball into a hoop. A shame.

//"and now, starting at point guard for the New York Knicks, Jesus Martinez!"
///no, that doesn't sound right to me, either

I would normally NEVER QUOTE or REFER to Wikipedia but this article is actually pretty well done.

/link pops

cot

How would you feel if you got out of college, got a job, and they refused to give you health insurance because your DNA showed that you had a 5% chance of dropping dead?

We all have a 100% chance of dropping dead.

/winks

Oh, God, it's begun.

BrianVan - I agree with you. Besides, everyone knows that mexican's are only good at doing yardwork anyways.

yes, i am kidding.

Is Fb- the father?

I don't understand why so many people always see things as all or nothing. Such as, you are required to get DNA tested or not have DNA tested at all.

How about if the Bulls, or anyone else, offered testing. That way if the player later drops dead, his family can't blame the team. "Well, we offered the test but he didn't want it..."

It would be on the individual to decide if the benefits outweighed the negatives to doing such a test.

Am I the only one who thinks this is something good for the player and team. Remember when Corey Stringer died a few years back and there was outrage that the Viking didn't do enough to prevent it. Now the Bulls are doing all they can to prevent that from happening. They know that Curry has had heart problems in the past, he has had to miss games do to his condition, and sometimes his condition is linked to one that can become fatal. Curry knows that if he is tested and a serious problem is discovered, he will not get paid the kind of money that a talent like him deserves. Basically Curry is putting his life on the line to force the team into paying him more money.

C-Nut

By definition, the word racism can't be applied to other people, as we're all of the same species, genus, and race. There are people with differing cultures, and religions and pigmentations, but they're all Homo Sapiens. Ergo, there can be no such thing as racism, when referring to other people.


If by 'race' one means capability to breed and produce
viable offspring, then homo-sapiens == 1 race.

But most people colloquially understand 'race' to mean
'breed'.

Unless you are claiming C-Nut, that facial and bone
structure, hair color, texture, skin color, eye color,
lip and nose structure are all *non-genetic* in nature ?

Stop being a smart ass and stfu.

G H E T T O C A

2005-09-29 03:34:30 PM C-Nut

It's hard to say for sure. the differences in DNA from different races is small compared to variation within a particular race. That is, differences in traits found between people of pure caucasian descent and people of pure African descent are small compared to differences observed within either population.

ON the surface, that would suggest that racial differences don't actually exist at the genetic level.

However, since we don't know everything about the genes that actually do tend to be different, it is possible that there is something significant about the small number of genes (alleles to be technical) that predominate in each racial group. I doubt the differences are meaningful in terms of things like intellectual and physical abilities.



By definition, the word racism can't be applied to other people, as we're all of the same species, genus, and race. There are people with differing cultures, and religions and pigmentations, but they're all Homo Sapiens. Ergo, there can be no such thing as racism, when referring to other people.

Unless you hate all dogs, or all cats. Then you are a racist.

G. Tarrant:

"What will likely happen is the team will instead put a rider in the contract where the player acknowledges that if he dies of that specific condition they wanted to test for, that they don't have to pay out the rest of the (otherwise guaranteed) contract, and that the player absolves the team of all liability that might arise from his "sound mind" decision to NOT be tested for that potentially fatal health condition."

Riders such as you describe aren't binding. Should Curry "expire" while in the employ of the Bulls and his family sue, chances are that it would never see a courtroom. Bulls' lawyers would urge the team to settle with Curry's heirs, and you are talking about whatever monies were left remaining on his contract, minimum.

My bet is that the Bulls will not re-sign Curry unless he complies. Why not get fresh, healthy talent for your $5-$10 million, rather than take the risk on someone who has already missed most of the prior season due to a heart condition, one that Curry's reps alone are claiming he doesn't have.

I say "Prove It or Lose It."

Animatronik

However, since we don't know everything about the genes that actually do tend to be different, it is possible that there is something significant about the small number of genes (alleles to be technical) that predominate in each racial group. I doubt the differences are meaningful in terms of things like intellectual and physical abilities.

I have a feeling you would never get funding to study this in order to prove or disprove your own predisposition.

no, this is farked up.

If Curry wants to get a genetic test done to find out if he is at risk to play basketball, HE can choose to get a confidential genetic test, and make his own choices based on the results. The team can encourage him to do this, but I don't feel at all OK with Curry being COMPLELLED to submit to genetic testing. The team has fulfilled it's moral obligation at this point to safeguard the player's health.

Forget the Bulls, go White Sox!!!
Eat it, Cleveland!!!

I don't think it's the DNA they're worried about. Just ask the people who work out at the Reggie Lewis Track Crack and Athletic Center

ColonelFlagg

Now that's more like it! Pshaw to all this moral relativism, eugenics, racism nonsense! Pshaw!

gimpel: Now that's more like it! Pshaw to all this moral relativism, eugenics, racism nonsense! Pshaw!

What he said!

Oh...uh...well..nevermind.

evilgreg

Of all the movies to become reality, we get Gattaca?

Indeed, but still better then matrix, hu? :)

ColonelFlagg

Just kidding. There's no need to take Fark seriously; afterall it is Fark.

pshaw

Well, uh, it is a real, albeit archaic, word. Sorry!

I agree with the aforementioned moral relativism and eugenics.

/go white sox! :)

I'm sticking to my guns and sticking with my original opinion: That the small variances seen in humans do not meet the required scientific standards needed to diferentiate and being of an other race. Thus, all humans are considered to be of the same race.

Oh man. They are just raping the dignity of NBA players. They're like, slinging the players over the back of a couch. You know what I'm saying?

control

Preach it!

This is over-simplified, but I think they should just put in the contract, for all players, that the franchise is in no way responsible if a player suffers harm from a disease/condition that they may/may not be predisposed to. The test will be optional, but will not alleviate any of the player's responsibility for their own genetics. It would simply allow them to more accurately assess the risk they are taking by signing the contract.

What the media outlets aren't reporting in depth along side this story is the constant struggle Paxson and the Bulls' have had with getting Curry to workout regularly in the offseason.

Curry was out of shape and at least 20-30 pounds over what the trainers and doctors thought was his ideal playing weight.

Curry has been a victim of a constant barage of bad advice from his posse, advisors and yes, even his mom. And it's only magnified because he's from Chicago and many of the kiddies who were hanging around in High School are now managing his career and finances. Think of it as a South Side of Chicago version of HBO's "Entourage"

Oh - and by the way, he's flat broke now. And since the Bulls hold the exclusive restricted Free Agent cards with him, they are all he has.

Some of Chicago's sports media are taking the Bulls' side simply because Paxson is generally regarded as a good guy. I want to believe he has Curry's best interests as well, becasue over the years that he's been in the spotlight, it seems that there are far more moochers in his life than people who care about Eddy the person.

Actually, having a condition that could fail this test, I can't say I'd disagree with them doing this. The fact that many basketball players are tall and skinny to start with increases the odds of heart-related problems, even in youth. While my own condition was determined at birth, many people who have this condition aren't so lucky. The physical stresses of leading a normal life combined with a condition that accelerates the breakdown of bodily tissues makes things like professional basketball a potentially deadly sport. As a player with this condition becomes more active, the stresses from a fast beating heart can cause the aorta to burst, leading to near instant death.

Granted, it's a huge disappointment to learn of this later in life, as it severely limits your career options, but it's probably better than having an incident during a game that leaves you flopping around on the court like a fish until you die on the spot. Likewise, with the litigious world we've created for ourselves, can we really be surprised that the sports industry is taking such steps to protect itself? Are they just supposed to sit there and wait to be sued when one of their players drops dead during a game from being worked too hard?

OH BOOO FARKING HOOOOOO

Here's an idea, if you don't like the idea of being genetically tested you can get your self another job that pays millions and millions of dollars that lets you run around in shorts and tshirt touching sweaty men.

Don't waste my goddamn time with your fkking whining.

Curry and his agent know exactly what the tests results are. This contract is valued between $50-60 million. That's too much money to guess at what the results will be. If he tests or not, he'll never play in a Bulls uniform again. This has sign-and-trade written all over it.

The sad part is that this is an ugly way not to pay the guy what he thinks is his market value. Curry received almost no interest through out the signing period because of the heart thing. Now, Curry is stuck with a low ball contract or none at all. The Bulls are using the heart issue instead of admitting they made a bad trade to get a mildly talented player. Neither he or Chandler are half the player Elton Brand is. I don't see why they don't just flat out say that Eddie Curry is not worth that contract because he isn't any good.

/this thread needed some real NBA talk
//keep your hand off my DNA