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(Wall Street Journal)   Company performs telephone survey of people on the Do Not Call List to ask if they are still getting unwanted calls   ( online.wsj.com) divider line
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2005-09-29 12:17:35 AM  
Ya gotta love the loopholes.
 
2005-09-29 01:20:14 AM  
The best loophole is that politicians can still call you and ask for money. Funny how they would give themselves a way around it...
 
2005-09-29 02:23:20 AM  
Quick1 [TotalFark]

The best loophole is that politicians can still call you and ask for money. Funny how they would give themselves a way around it...


True, but at least they got rid of 99.9% of the calls.
 
2005-09-29 03:10:29 AM  
Irony, and even meta-irony.
 
2005-09-29 04:02:45 AM  
That's why I screen my calls, and have a voice mail.

Chat away, poormouth.
 
2005-09-29 04:03:41 AM  
... Stupid beyond recognition.
 
2005-09-29 04:05:41 AM  
the word help here -->
 
2005-09-29 04:10:46 AM  
Third [image from img.fark.net too old to be available] greenlit today?!

What is the world coming to.
 
2005-09-29 04:35:19 AM  
Amazingly, two out of the three actually were ironic.
 
2005-09-29 04:52:28 AM  
99.5%? in the article it said 49%. ah. well i'm one of those young awkwardly mobile folks who only has a cell phone. and i always forget to turn it off of vibrate anyhow.
 
2005-09-29 04:58:13 AM  
Gotta be a great job, that. Call people on the "Do Not Call" list to see if they are getting unwanted calls. How many times a day do you think they hear something along the lines of "Yes, you farking bastard! "?

The phone at my house is on the national, and Texas, DNC list. We still get junk calls. I don't answer the phone - anyone that wants to call me calls my cell phone number. I don't even know the number at the house. (Well, I have it in my cell phone, so I guess I could call it if needed.)

But being on the DNC lists has certainly cut the number of those calls way down. My girlfriend won't buy from them, but she won't tell them to put her number on their do-not-call list, or be mean to them at all. She'll waste her time every time they call without doing anything to keep them from calling back. They are lucky I'm not answering the phone.

My cell phone has had maybe 3 or 4 junk calls in the 4 years or so I've had the number. I didn't put it on the DNC list - seemed pointless, since it isn't getting called.

/To hell with spammers and telemarketers.
 
2005-09-29 05:06:43 AM  
Misuse of the word 'trifecta' in 5... 4... 3...
 
2005-09-29 05:20:56 AM  
I ate a trifecta for breakfast.
There, happy?
 
2005-09-29 06:57:05 AM  
balloon: I ate a trifecta for breakfast.
There, happy?



You eat trifectas for breakfast?
 
2005-09-29 06:57:42 AM  
insert Happy Gilmore/Shooter McGavin in the bar pic above.
 
2005-09-29 07:20:40 AM  
My trifecta beat up your honor student.
 
2005-09-29 07:28:05 AM  
[image from fxhome.com too old to be available]

Trifecta?
 
2005-09-29 07:37:29 AM  
I would gladly accept all the other calls as long as I could block the calls from liars, er, politicians from calling asking for money.

Stop feeding the trolls! We would get much better government if politicians were not allowed to advertise at all... marketing is the tool of the Devil, and we reap what we have sown...

I make it a practice, unless otherwise, to support the underfunded candidate. I suggest, for the good of America, you do the same!
 
2005-09-29 08:07:50 AM  
I make it a practice, unless otherwise, to support the underfunded candidate.

A politician would think that they are underfunded and try to convince you of the same no matter what amount of money they had.

/why do you have to be rich to run for an office?
 
2005-09-29 08:08:26 AM  
Okay, America, here's how to stop telemarketing.

You all have to get together on this, and commit to participating in this effort for one year. If you manage to keep it up for a year, there will be no more telemarketers.

The Seinfeld Solution to Telemarketing

Every time you get a telemarketing call, don't screen it or let the machine get it. Let them do their first 30 second schpiel and then say:

You say:
"Well, I'm not sure. Let me get your home phone number and I'll call you back later."

They say:
"Uh, we're not supposed to do that."

You say:
"Oh, I guess you don't want to get phone calls at home."

They say:
"No...."

You say:
"Well, now you know how I feel."

and then you hang up. Do this everytime they call, and if everyone does it, no more telemarketing.


You must be diligent, America!!
 
2005-09-29 08:18:39 AM  
TheSignPost

What you said (good luck getting them to bite on that script BTW) or... you know... never buy anything from a telemarketer.

They exist because some people somewhere buys their crap.
*seinfeld voice* Who are these people? *seinfeld voice*
 
2005-09-29 08:59:31 AM  
Here's the most important part:

While the Do Not Call registry was celebrated initially as a way to eliminate all bothersome calls, the national program has some significant limitations. For one thing, it doesn't apply to nonprofit groups, pollsters or political organizations. And under the "existing business relationship" exemption, a company can call a customer for 18 months following a purchase. Businesses also can call those who have "inquired" about a product or service within three months.

I work in market research. What people don't understand is that the DNC list does not apply to pollsters or market research calls. People biatch and say "I'm on the DNC list, you can't call me!" - well, since I'm not try to sell you anything, that doesn't matter.

And a word to the wise. If you think being a dick and being rude to the low-paid, disinterested person on the other end of the phone, you very often are put right back in the pool to get called back.

Just bite your tongue and politely ask that your number be removed from THEIR list - market research doesn't use the DNC list, but often times have their own in-house list.

And actually, what I have found works best is to pretend you are not a residence, but a business line. I work from home and occasionally get a telemarketing or research call - I simply say "this is a business you're calling" - and they always immediately apologize and I never hear from them again. It's a totally different category and they can only target a residence.
 
2005-09-29 09:02:03 AM  
Get a cel phone, rip out the landline. Problem solved!

(for now)
 
2005-09-29 09:36:06 AM  
I work in market research. What people don't understand is that the DNC list does not apply to pollsters or market research calls. People biatch and say "I'm on the DNC list, you can't call me!" - well, since I'm not try to sell you anything, that doesn't matter.

What you don't understand is they just told you not to call them. Instead, you're a typical telemarketing dick who thinks respect for your fellow human beings is unimportant and that following the letter of the law somehow justifies your behavior. If they don't want your call then don't call, duh.

Get an ethical job.
 
2005-09-29 09:36:47 AM  
Messed up the quoting in previous post, sorry.
 
2005-09-29 09:39:47 AM  
I work in market research. What people don't understand is that the DNC list does not apply to pollsters or market research calls. People biatch and say "I'm on the DNC list, you can't call me!" - well, since I'm not try to sell you anything, that doesn't matter.

That market research exception is bullshiat. Of course you're trying to sell something, just be honest about it asshole.
 
2005-09-29 09:56:14 AM  

I work in market research. What people don't understand is that the DNC list does not apply to pollsters or market research calls. People biatch and say "I'm on the DNC list, you can't call me!" - well, since I'm not try to sell you anything, that doesn't matter.


Can you tell me one thing? Is there anyone on the DNC list that still wants calls from market research people?
 
2005-09-29 10:16:57 AM  
The DNC list is BS. I got on it. Didn't stop a damn thing.
If anything, it got worse.
 
2005-09-29 10:19:49 AM  
mferris

And a word to the wise. If you think being a dick and being rude to the low-paid, disinterested person on the other end of the phone, you very often are put right back in the pool to get called back.

You are 100% correct. I work for a company that does followup surveys with hospital patients. It doesn't happen very often but when someone is a dick we immediately put them in for a call back in 1 week. We keep our own inhouse list and we scrub the list every time we get new patients to call.
 
2005-09-29 10:22:47 AM  
If you think being a dick and being rude to the low-paid, disinterested person on the other end of the phone, you very often are put right back in the pool to get called back.

I don't speak to them at all--and I will get calls back 14 days in a row. And my bank and my credit card company can still call me, on my cell phone, because I do business with them.

Here's what works, though: When you pick up the phone, don't say anything. (I don't have caller ID.) If it's a machine on the other end, it won't connect until you say something. If it's a real person, they will of course start saying, Hello? Hello? or there will background noise or something, to let you know that it's a real person. I find this works most of the time. After 10 or 15 seconds of dead air, you just hang up.

And they call you back the next day at exactly the same time, and you know to not even pick up.
 
2005-09-29 10:36:11 AM  
(After the preliminaries)

"We see that you're on the DNC list. Have you still received any unwanted calls?"

"Yes, I have."

"Recently?"

"The most recent one was quite recently indeed, actually."

"How long ago was it?"

"Oh, I'd say it started about 1½ minutes ago."
 
2005-09-29 10:43:37 AM  
I get all sorts of telemarketing calls on my cel phone, its on the DNC list too. The numbers they call from are always blocked and if you try to find out anything about who they are or where they are located the hang up in a hurry.
Force telemarketers to display their phone numbers in caller ID and that they must register with the fed and have all their contact info in a public database so you can cross reference the number w/ the company to turn them in. Make not signing up for said list a huge fine or jail time.
/hates telemarketers
 
2005-09-29 10:50:36 AM  
99.5%? in the article it said 49%.

Apples and oranges. The fresh-from-the-ass (but hopefully correct) figure of 99.5% referred to number of unwanted calls. The second figure of 49% referred to people who said they weren't getting any calls they thought the DNC list was supposed to block.

So it's like this:
100 people received a total of 10,000 telemarketing calls (an average of 100 per person during whatever period is being looked at) before putting their names on the DNC list.
After putting their names on the DNC list, 51 people each received a single telemarketing call, while the other 49 received no such calls.

99.5% reduction in calls, but 51% of people still say they are getting unwanted calls.
 
2005-09-29 10:54:49 AM  
Harvey_Birdman: That market research exception is bullshiat. Of course you're trying to sell something, just be honest about it asshole.

Believe it or not, there are actual research calls in the world that aren't sales attempts. And yes, they are allowed to call you even if you're on the DNC. And if you'd ask them politely not to call you again, they'd listen.

I mean, how do you think they get those statistics you see in articles like this one, anyway? Do you think there's a magical statistics fairy that just magically polls the minds of the populace? Obviously they must, since, in your mind, there's no such thing as a legitimate survey...

/worked for a research company for 2 1/2 years
//still do surveys whenever they call--I've been there, I know how they feel
 
2005-09-29 10:55:33 AM  
Strangely enough, with a cellphone, I haven't recieved any sales calls...but I have recieved at least two or three scams trying to tell me I won money or a grant and they needed my bank account number...yet couldn't get any of my information right. Sometimes even the name.
 
2005-09-29 10:58:17 AM  
jbtilley: Can you tell me one thing? Is there anyone on the DNC list that still wants calls from market research people?

Well, when I was doing research work, many times when somebody told me they were on the DNC, and I explained I wasn't selling anything and only wanted their opinions, they actually did the survey. I didn't keep track, so I can't give you exact numbers, but it was a small, but significant, minority.

Of course, no idea how many of the people who heard me the first time and actually did the survey without any prompting were on the DNC either...
 
2005-09-29 11:11:20 AM  
I work in market research. What people don't understand is that the DNC list does not apply to pollsters or market research calls.

I understand that the law doesn't stop you from calling for polls & market research.

What you don't understand is that when someone puts their phone on the do not call list, THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM ASSWIPES LIKE YOU!
 
2005-09-29 11:13:23 AM  
Whenever I get a call from those survey people, I ask what's in it for me. It's always nothing, so then I tell them I'm not going to waste my time with their survey.
 
2005-09-29 11:21:40 AM  
Maybe they need to set up a few more DNC lists or just use the current one and provide the following check box when you register.

Please place a 'X' in the box(es) beside organizations you wish to have blocked from dialing your number:
[X] Telemarketers
[ ] Charities
[X] Survey People
[X] Mother-in-Law

/save the world a lot of grief
 
2005-09-29 11:53:53 AM  
JuggleGeek: I understand that the law doesn't stop you from calling for polls & market research.

What you don't understand is that when someone puts their phone on the do not call list, THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM ASSWIPES LIKE YOU!



But that isn't relevant, if you don't want to be called, you have to get off of the researchers list. Until you call all of them and do so, you can be on every public DNC list in the world and you'll still get calls. The DNC works as intended, people are just too dense to realize that.
 
2005-09-29 11:57:21 AM  
The first time a pollster calls, I'm polite and actually answer their questions.

The second time a pollster calls with the same poll, I'm polite and request to be removed from their list.

The third time a pollster calls with the same poll, I ask him to help me find my dog and then put my 8 year old daughter who could talk to a wall for 6 hours, on the phone.

Politicians I just tell I'm from a planet that doesn't believe in partisanship and hang up.
 
2005-09-29 12:00:25 PM  
To shut down all unwanted calling, just say, "Hold on a second, okay?". Check back in a minute, and if they are still there, ask them to wait another minute. Repeat ad nauseum. This kills productivity.

I used this strategy for about a year, and now I NEVER get telemarketed, and I am not even on the DNC list.

It seems I'm on a special DNC list that the assclowns make for their own purposes.
 
2005-09-29 12:15:59 PM  
I am a telemarketer, and I would just like to say taking any frustration out on telemarketers themselves is pointless, b/c it never gets back to the source of the problem which is the client they are calling on behalf of. Get the toll free number and yell at people that actually work with the company paying for the calls.

Although I'd have to say, that in a job were you say the same damned thing 200 times, and get the phone slammed down on you every couple calls, an idiot yelling at you every once in a while thinking he's doing someone a favor is pretty amusing.
 
2005-09-29 12:28:11 PM  
tbell83
...if you don't want to be called, you have to get off of the researchers list. Until you call all of them and do so, you can be on every public DNC list in the world and you'll still get calls.


I would think that signing up for a "Do Not Call" me list was evidence enough that a person , oh- I don't know- DOESN'T WANT TO BE CALLED!!!

The fact that "researchers" are using a loophole (or, more likely, arranged for that very loophole to be placed there) doesn't change the fact that the people involved DON'T WANT YOUR CALLS!

Sheesh.
 
2005-09-29 12:40:00 PM  
Oddly enough, I'm not any do not call lists, but I've lived here for 6 months now and haven't gotten a single telemarketer.

Though I do get surveys maybe once or twice a week, from movies to politics to dental floss. I pretty much always do them. I'm unemployed anyway - not like I have anything better to do.
 
2005-09-29 12:41:37 PM  
I know a plausible way around these laws, but I'm keepin my mouth shut.
 
2005-09-29 01:00:46 PM  
I also work for a market research firm. We do primarily political polls, but we also do straight market research too. One of our most recent market research surveys was to people who had called a particular bank with the intent of closing their credit card account. The bank provided the person's name, but we had no other personal info than that. As others have said, we aren't bound by the Do-Not-Call list because we never, ever sell anything. I've worked for various market research firms for the last 6 years and none of them has ever sold anything. We aren't telemarketers in any sense of the word.
 
2005-09-29 01:29:58 PM  
I work for a telemarketing company.

So I am really getting a kick really .

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

Cuz some Farkers belive anything they hear.

/props to mikey-mop, Farks newest cliche.
 
2005-09-29 01:37:26 PM  
tbell83: But that isn't relevant, if you don't want to be called, you have to get off of the researchers list. Until you call all of them and do so, you can be on every public DNC list in the world and you'll still get calls. The DNC works as intended, people are just too dense to realize that.

Yes it's relevant. You missed the entire damn point. The point is, and I'll even caps it for you, THEY DO NOT CARE IF THEY CAN STILL LEGALLY BE CALLED, THEY STILL FIND IT INTRUSIVE AND GET PISSED OFF IF YOU CALL, SO OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE ANGRY IF YOU IGNORE THE ENTIRE POINT OF SIGNING UP FOR THE LIST AND BOTHER THEM ANYWAY. People don't care who you are, they still had to get up and answer the phone and waste their time answering your annoying questions.

I guess people really are stupid enough to not understand this.
 
2005-09-29 02:07:07 PM  
What kills me is that the local politicians don't even pony up for a live person to call you. No... they just call you and play a recording at you.

WTF? How insulting is that?

I can't vote anyways. Ha! (Canuck living in the USA.)
 
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