whorehopper

Actually he does speak from time to time, but on long shots as they go to commerical, if you look closely, you can see the wire running from Hannity's left hand to Colmes' ass.

Wire if Colmes is lucky.

If you don't believe me (and I know you don't) check out this interesting study done by F.A.I.R.



The only thing interesting about FAIR is that they are sponsored by MoveOn.org; which instantly negates ANY claim to fairness.

If you don't believe me (and I know you don't, check out EXTRA! (they are linked to it) and look at some of the "news atricles" they have

hasn't F.A.I.R. been around since the mid-80's?

Jesus 2.0:

"They call themselves commentators, so they're up front about their bias", but then "They say they're fair and balanced, and that they report, but that doesn't mean they're not up front about their bias - that's just marketing."

That's fair enough. you're probably right. I dismiss it as marketing and move on, but they are claiming to be unbiased in a literal sense of the word. I've never said that FOX was unbiased. I know it is. I do dispute the claim that CNN is unbiased and I question that FOX is more biased than CNN. That's really the crux of it and, in the end, it's irrelevant. Both are biased and both should clean up their acts and try actual reporting for a change.

If FOX actually reported all the facts and let me decide, they might become my one-stop source for news. For now, they're merely another tick in the dial on my way to Firefly or Stargate SG-1.

heap: ...which is pretty much what i said an hour ago. the guy sitting behind the desk is almost always a commentator, not a reporter. of those that are even close to the description of 'reporter', most spend their weekends doing the pundit circuit spouting direct talking points.

Sorry if I disputed that before. I'm going to have to watch a little more. I'm willing to admit that FOX may be much more slanted than I previously thought. Like I said; If what you say is true, then FOX isn't a news organization.

no, you can't throw that aside. and, no, when attempting to decide if fox is 'more up front' - tossing the biggest lie in the conversation out the window for no particular reason whatsoever...well, it's becoming increasingly difficult to take you seriously.

LOL. See above. I discount marketing right off the bat, but you are probably right about this one.

I heard Tom Delay murdered his own father on his death bed.

Get the real truth
http://www.lonestartimes.com

I got a great kick out of watching this guy praise Delay on the news -- he was talking about what a terrific fundraiser he was, and finished with, "He can raise money like nobody else." At which point I was LOLROFL.

Also, what's up with this new symbol, the square with the 1 subscript? What's that supposed to be, aleph one, the order of infinity of the real numbers? If so, what happened to aleph null, or aleph with a 0 subscript, the infinity of the integers? Not surprised at the square, though, since I tried about a dozen times to get the Hebrew "aleph" symbol into one of my posts. Only way is to image it and use a host, I guess, which I am too lazy to do for one bloody symbol.

Come to think of it, I don't particularly approve of that square root of -1, either. It is merely an imaginary number, akin to the number of useful Congressmen (trying to stay on topic, here.) The square root of two would be better -- an irrational number -- or the old standyby, pi, or e, or pi to the eth power, or e to the pith power (but not e to the i times pith power, that would never do.)

/Know I can actually do subscripts with html. Too lazy to bother. Besides, I like repeatedly using "pith." As in "I would like to pith on Tom Delay."

ANGRYFLOWERS HOT TIP FOR GETTING TO THE BEST PARTS OF THE POLITICAL THREADS:

i) Find your browsers text search function.

ii) Type "lib" in the search field

iii) Click "Find Next"

iv) Repeat ad nauseum

/kinda like folding pages of a novel on the sex parts

antidisestablishmentarianism: All the daily show is, is an obvioius and left version of the factor and similar shows.

huh?

the daily show is a news parody show.

Reading this article makes about as much sense to me as Beowolf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first Battle of Antetum. I mean when a neo-conservative defenstrates it's like Raskalnakov filibuster dioxymonohydrostinate.

The Al Franken Show and the Randi Rhodes Show do the fact checking, encourage the listener to check the facts and admit it when they are wrong. That is the diffrence,

Tom Delay on Hannity and Colmes right now. Both are talking about this is just the democrats trying gain power. Hannity asked him what the whole indictment was about, Tom's answer was "I don't know."

Watching Delay on Hannity & Colmes is like reading the minutes of the Mutual Masturbation Society. Hannity starts detailing the indictment and Delay shuts him down with "You're getting too far off in the weeds Sean." In other words: "stfu Sean, we're not here to talk about the indictment, we're here to talk about a bunch of other nonsense that sounds as though it is about the indictment."

HEY! Has anyone stopped to really think about this?? You do realize that once this jackass gets out, it's another version of The Apprentice coming your way!

Oh and thanks for all the Owned images - made my day.
I can't believe I didn't see a Clintowned though. Oh well.

Anyone who supports some asshat just because they from the same party is an asshat.

Politics is not a game that one side wins or loses. If bad people are elected, we all lose.

Man. It's tough to wade through all the ignorant commie spam in this thread to get to the post with the actual 5-paragraph indictment link.

d23
Why does ANYONE give Ann Coulier air time at all???

Because she can inhale the lint off of Rush,s tie?

eraser8 - "A stand-alone conspiracy prosecution isn't suspect. They happen all the time."

Yes, when the object offense has been interupted are determined on the part of another person. Person A commits a crime and Person B helped. B can be charged with conspiracy.

But in this case, the top guy is being acused, in essence of being a bit player and the object offense is being left alone.

Just another Ronnie Earle smear prosecution.

Do you think he will drop the case on the first day of court after the jury is selected like he did withSenator Hutchinson?

LOLOLOLOLOL.....


eraser8 - "And, I'm not a Democrat, either. Stick to the argument. The insults don't help your case any."

I apologize for my rudeness to you. Even a lawyer should be treated with some courtesy.

Like hell your not a farking Dumbocrat, hahahahahah.


eraser8 - "It's a conspiracy to commit crime."

OK, now what crime, heheheheh.


eraser8 - "The fact that Democrats may want DeLay's head makes no difference to the issues in controversy."

Of course it does and I know you're not so naive as to think it is irrelevant, which makes me wonder why you are playing the slow-wit and make the Dumbocrats in their campaign of personal destruction against DeLay.

Maybe you are just another lying Dumbocrat after all?



eraser8 - "Howard Dean didn't ask a Grand Jury to endorse a bill of indictment. Neither did Nancy Pilosi or Hillary Clinton. The indictment was offered by the duly elected District Attorney of Travis County, Texas. The Grand Jury considered the indictment and returned it as a true bill."

Hahah, oh, he must be guilty if they got an indictment, is that your argument?

LOL, any half competent lawyer should be able to get an indictment.

And it is the Democrats in Texas that are the primary pushers on this, not DNC and national Dumbocrats.

That is why Earle used the ongoing investigation to raise cash for the Dumbocrats and repeatedly leaked information to the press.


eraser8 - "Your accusations are baseless. Your arguments are pathetic. Your demeanor is childish.

Does the phrase ESADIAF mean anything to you?


eraser8 - "I'm done with you."

Dont let the screen door hit you in the ass as you go, biatch.

these PWN3D!1 signs are cracking me up. My fave is the one with the dog in the quaker oatmeal box. Any one else care to share faves?

Has Bush stuck up for him yet?

flavorofthemonth - "the state election code prevents corporate contributions for being used on anything other than administrative expenses. delay conspired to violate this law."

So did he or did he not actually do it?

And what are the claimed details of that violation that he allegedly did or conspired to do?



Immaculate_Misconception - "Actually asshat, you have been arguing the law, and you still don't have the sack to admit that your simplistic assertions have been proven wrong."

I ahve been asserting my opinion babout the weak case as a conspiracy charge implies an actual primary crime has been committed by someone, or an object offense to the conspiracy charge. And that is a fact. It does not have to be Delay but it must be someone.

But to argue DeLay played a bit roll in this is horse manure as DeLay himself ran the PAC,a nd yet he has not been indicted for the object offense.

Is that simple enough for your stupid lying buck-toothed assface?


Immaculate_Misconception - "Don't you think that if (as you assert) the indictment itself were missing a key component the right-wing legal experts would be screaming this all over Fox? Do you think that you (in your infinite yet amateur knowledge of all things legal) actually caught a flaw in the Texas indictment process? A flaw that NONE of the legal experts on cable news have even suggested. A flaw that I know is rediculous because I have defended more than 500 criminal cases in the state of Texas. "

THEY ARE SCREAMING ABOUT IT YOU DUMBASS CRACKER BIATCH!

ROFLMAO, GOOD GOD, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

HOW CAN A LAWYER BE SUCH A FREAKING IDIOT?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

*ah*

*wipes the tears away*

*chuckle*


Immaculate_Misconception - "I just want to know how it is that being an armchair lawyer in Virginia you were able to gain your intricate comprehension of Texas law?"

More wisdom of the ages from the loseyer.

1) The law is based on English Common Law and that is largely derived from various assortments of German traditon and the Bible augmented by modern improvements. To say that one must be a legal expert to have any ability to understand basic concepts of the law is a damneable elitist biath lie of grotesque proportions.

2) Even if I didnt understand the least thing about the law, this situation is plainly political from reading Earles history and DeLays. I cant help it if this is opaque to you, as you are a dumbass of legendary proportions. But it is sad to realize what a bunch of dumbass farkheads the only opposition party to Team Bush is.

3) Go fark yourself.


Immaculate_Misconception - "I can respect a man who disagrees with me in opinion. But we're not talking about opinion, we're talking about the specific language of the statutes in question, and how they apply to the indictment of Mr. delay."
Immaculate_Misconception - "I have no respect for a man who can not admit when he has been proven wrong."

This thread needs a puppy.
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And for the cat lovers:
http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Cats/Kitten-Duck.jpg

consider the duck a bonus.

Thanks, ssdh99, for the link.

It raises the very same questions I have been through this whole thread.

http://www.lonestartimes.com/

The problem with the DeLay conspiracy indictment: NO UNDERLYING OFFENSE
by Owen Courrges | 09/28/2005 2:08 pm


Over at the National Reviews Media blog, Stephen Spruiell notes the crucial flaw in Ronnie Earles indictment of Tom DeLay:

This indictment is totally phony. Heres why:

The indictment centers around a money swap that took place between the Texans for a Republican Majority PAC (TRMPAC), to which DeLay has ties, and the Republican National State Elections Committee (RNSEC). TRMPAC sent $190,000 to RNSEC, and RNSEC then sent the same total amount in seven checks ranging from $20,000 to $40,000 to Texas House candidates in 2002. Travis County DA Ronnie Earle, a Democrat, calls this money laundering, because the money that TRMPAC sent to RNSEC came from coporations, which are barred from contributing to campaigns in Texas.

What you wont hear in the press is that A) This is a perfectly legal move, and B) the Democrats did the exact same thing. An Institute on Money in State Politics study reveals that on Oct. 31, 2002, the Texas Democratic Party did the same thing when it sent $75,000 to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and received $75,000 back from the DNC the very same day.

Bottom line: Even people who arent fans of Tom DeLay should show some intellectual honesty and admit that this is an out-of-control prosecutor and a phony charge....

According to the indictment, the conspiracy was to unlawfully make a political contribution of corporate funds to a political party within 60 days of an election.

The Texas Election Code clearly states that A corporation or labor organization may not knowingly make a contribution [to a political party] during a period beginning on the 60th day before the date of a general election for state and county officers and continuing through the day of the election. Title 15, Texas Election Code, 253.104. Texas law also states in part that A person commits criminal conspiracy if, with intent that a felony be committed: (1) he agrees with one or more persons that they or one or more of them engage in conduct that would constitute the offense; and (2) he or one or more of them performs an overt act in pursuance of the agreement.

The Problems with Earles case:

In an effort to contrive jurisdiction over DeLay, Earle charges that because Congressman DeLay may have known about the transaction before it occurred, he was then part of a conspiracy.

However, Earles office has sworn testimony and other exculpatory evidence showing that Congressman DeLay did not have knowledge of the transaction.

In addition:

No corporation or labor organization was indicted in this conspiracy. Neither Jim Ellis nor John Colyandro is a corporation or labor organization.

No corporation or labor organization made a contribution during 60 days of an election.

What constitutes a contribution under the Texas Election Code is not strictly defined.

Neither the RNC nor RNSEC constitute a political party under Texas election law. They are considered PACs, just as the DNC is.

Corporations in Texas could have legally made contributions to the RNC or RNSEC during the period in question under Texas election law.

There was no violation of the Texas Election Code. There was no conspiracy. The underlying transaction was legal. Had corporations sent money directly to the RNC or RNSEC, the transaction would be legal. How could anyone conspire to do indirectly what could legally have been done directly?

Let's see...

Democrats...check
Dirty politics...check
Using the courts for political gain...check

Big farking surprise.

redneckbastard

Wow, that does not make any sense at all. Are you "special".

OK, everyone, no big words around special redneckbastard. Don't want him to feel bad.

redneckbastard, don't feel bad, they are bad people, you are special...

/short bus retard

libbynomore2, dont expect anything but frothing-mouthed attackes at anyone that even questions Eales honesty or competence.

If you dont pile on DeLay and post fity gazzillion variations on the word 'owned' then you are not welcome.

Heh, but why doncha stay anway and lets keep beating the shiat out of these asswipes?

spucky, go do another line and get back to me after you have ahd some sleep and sobered up, ok?

I dont box lameass doofuses like yourself.

Make a point or suck hind teet.

scooby111: It doesn't really change my opinion about CNN. I still feel that the reporters and management are very biased. But it does change my opinion about FOX being a news channel.

You didn't even look at the FAIR survey, did you?

whyarefartslumpy: The only thing interesting about FAIR is that they are sponsored by MoveOn.org; which instantly negates ANY claim to fairness.

Your brains are lumpy, too. There is no such relationship between F.A.I.R. and MoveOn. During the campaign, they fact-checked Kerry as well as Bush. They caught the Kerry campaign slanting the truth-- just not as often as they caught the Bush campaign. Which accords with reality. And I guess that's why you're willing to lie for Fearless Leader; F.A.I.R. catches more conservative liars than liberal ones. Maybe you guys shouldn't lie so much.

spucky said:
Anyone who supports some asshat just because they from the same party is an asshat.

Politics is not a game that one side wins or loses. If bad people are elected, we all lose.

You just became the first in my list of most elequent farking quotes.

redneckbastard

Sorry, don't do drugs. How about you and Rush split some Oxycontin and pretend the Anne Coulter is female.

redneckbastard: dont expect anything but frothing-mouthed attackes

THEY ARE SCREAMING ABOUT IT YOU DUMBASS CRACKER BIATCH!

spucky, go do another line and get back to me after you have ahd some sleep and sobered up, ok?

Go fark yourself.

I dont know which is more hypocrital, a Dumbocrat trying to pretend to be nonpolitical or a lawyer opening his mouth in court.

what a bunch of lynch-gang blow-hards.

Delay has been *indicted* for criminal conspiracy, but he isnt being charged with a crime.

well at least I know what a conspiracy is, farktard.

BUT HE DID NOT GET DELAY INDICTED FOR ANY OTHER SUCH CRIME YOU farkING RETARD! ! ! !

This is going to go nowhere. I have a feeling that both parties are WAY too dirty when it comes to campaign finances, adn the big guns of the Democratic party are having a blanket party for ol' Earle right now. All this will do is force the Repubs to go in to full on smear mode and dig up as many of the same accusations against the Dems, some of which will undoubtedly be true. This is going to go nowhere.

Anyone who piles up on the side of the Dems or the Repubs is not thinking for him/herself. Fark em all.

Darn that crafty liberal media. Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan and Rep. David Dreier just discussed this scandal on MSNBC. They repeatedly insulted Ronnie Earle, insisted the charges were totally baseless, never mentioned a grand jury, repeatedly mentioned KB Hutchinson and Delay but never ONCE brought up the 10 Democrats he indicted (which 10 seconds of Google research could have provided), etc.

And then they openly chuckled at the idea that the Democratic party could ever take political advantage of the Republicans' current weakness.

Yeah, those liberals sure are crafty... using that reverse psychology...

redneckbastard: 1) The law is based on English Common Law


Douchebag, we're not debating the origin of U.S. law.

We're discussing the actual statutes.

And you've already had your ass thoroughly handed to you.

Keep spitting out your rediculous, twisted theories, and they will continue to be trumped by [b]FACTS [/b]and REALITY.

I'm done with your wannabe bullshiat now, but I'd like to remind you that help is available. Now please, pretty please, pretty please with sugar on top, GO FCUK YOURSELF!

redneckbastard

If you stopped being stupid (I know, difficult - I'll give you lessons), and looked at some of my other posts, you would understand that I don't particularly support one side or another. I just hate asshats on either side. And you are one of them.

You, sir, are a mouth breathing knuckle dragging asshat.

All you Bush apologists and diehard Republicans who enjoy mocking the Democratic party for "not having a unified message" and "not having any ideas" and just being "obstructionist"...

I thought you guys WANTED a government that was too slow and ponderous and listless to do any damage. "The government that governs least", remember? Under the Democrats as you depict them, the federal government will clearly get nothing done... which you guys used to think was a good thing.

Instead, under your boy Bush's watch, the federal government has ballooned in size, federal spending has increased so much that they won't even release good numbers, and the federal government is getting involved with all sorts of areas that the states and locals ought to be handling...

Nice work, Bush fans. You've become what you hate -- guess being in charge of government is a seductive power that it's hard not to indulge. Remember what a wise man once said -- "Battle not with Democrats, lest ye become a Democrat..."

Why does Delay even need a lawyer, when he has a legal eagle like redneckbastard on his side?

Fine. Here it is, so one of you commie pinkos knocking redneckbastard can show me where in the 4 page indictment is any allegation of wrongdoing by Delay:

http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf

borntoryde

Thanks, soory about the speeeling mistooks, though...

/hangs head in shame...

All you apologists complaining about how minor this charge is need to remember that they got Al Capone for tax evasion. Delay's hands are so dirty, he has to wear latex gloves just to wipe his ass. This is only the tip of a filthy, disease-ridden iceberg...

magnus205: Fine. Here it is, so one of you commie pinkos knocking redneckbastard can show me where in the 4 page indictment is any allegation of wrongdoing by Delay:

It's right at the top of the first page where he is listed as a defendant.