I still haven't seen the $5 a gallon gas price that Al Gore promised he would impose on us and Democrats were all giddy about. It's about half that.

gouging.

RandomExcess

It's not even an argument at this point. It's so easy for everyone to see and yet people will defend their president to the death because they are mindless sheep.

I consider myself pretty independant. I was a Republican through the 90s, voted for Dole in 96', heck I even voted for Bush in 00' (please, stop laughing/crying). Of course it didn't take much to realize how bad this new president was when everything started to go to hell, the economy was in the toilet, we started a war for no reason, the man was a moron and a liar, there was so much political corruption he made Boss Tweed look like Jesus.

I still cannot fathom how anyone can support this man other than 'moral values' and most likely anyone supporting him on this issue is obviously brainwashed, retarded, or both. Anyone who has a modicum of intelligence should realize that the 'market forces' they discuss and use as a defense of tax cuts and oil gouging do not consist of no big contracts to the VP's friends, that oil companies - of which it is VERY well known that Bush and Bush Sr. have a massive relationship with Saudi Oil barons - are reaping billions, and that these 'tax cuts' are forcing us to borrow TRILLIONS from foreign countries (like Saudi Arabia) to pay for a spending spree for the military to invade Iraq (which was a lie, and would not surprise me in the least if the Bush Administration leaned on the CIA to present evidence of WMDs, even though no one has ever bothered to investigate this).

This is a rape and pillage operation by the highest office in the land. If it were any other country, this guy would be gone, probably arrested, for the corruption. And yet, somehow he's untouchable? WTF!!

This guy and his people have no moral center. They are driven by greed and corrupted by power. A man of God would not start a war with another country to fund his friends at the expense of American lives. He would not take our freedoms such as the right to a trial, the freedom to assembly, to free speech away, he would not ignore the Geneva conventions or bankrupt our country for the interests of a few friends. Let's call this administration what it really is: a military regime.

Unintended consequences...

Gas prices stay high, people move back to those evil liberal cities and do mass transit.

e4tango

I can do the same thing to your words:

Who's the greedy one?
Character attack. Way to debate.

Something you obviously haven't bothered with...
Insult. Good job so far. You're debate skills so far are on par with a four year old.

With the top 5% paying approximately 50%, I find it hard to knock this one.
Invalid point. Let's see, top 1% (excluding the other 4%) own 47% of all stocks and bonds in the whole country, which is pretty much the bread and butter of all wealth. So yes, they should be paying about 50%.

So people aren't taxed again on property that has already been taxed...
It's not a death tax, stupid. It's an income tax on the people who receive the money. If someone gives you 10 million dollars in a lottery, you pay about 40% in taxes on the winnings. Same rule applies. Repealing estate tax = setting up fiefdoms in a country based on capitalism. Think for yourself for a moment.

LOL You've watched too many movies with evil madmen plotting to take over the world who can control the weather.

Umm, he said nothing about some supernatural weather controller. The information about the war is right there in broad daylight.

You raise minimum wage and everything else goes up.
FUD, and bullshiat. Most states mandate higher than the current min wage, and people are paying above minimum wage anyway, try living on less than 6 bucks an hour, asshole.

Last time I checked, unions still exist (though why, I'm not sure). And who is pocketing the cash?
Your only valid point. Unions are just about as corrupt, but not more corrupt, than our current administration. In any case, he wasn't speaking of unions. The world could do with better, less corrupt unions to protect the interest of the people.

That people like yourself blather about appearing foolish and proving ignorance? No.
Conclude with an attack on character.

It's pretty obvious who's being ignorant.

Spazzmatazz

As to how to find out who company shareholders are, it probably won't be available in gorgeous detail on the company website, but if you start looking around for company filings (eg the SEC dot gov website) you might find something.

For Halliburton though, I'd imagine their shareholder listings are guarded by two quite large three-headed dogs.

For the record it is probably correct that the top 5% pay more than 50% of the taxes in the country. However it is also correct that the top 5% own more than 50% of all the wealth in the country. So the amount is pretty accurate. Yes, they do generally pay higher taxes, however many very wealthy people use tax laws and pay tax lawyers lots of money to hide that money in things such as trust funds and other loopholes. People in the top 5% of income in this country are not poor, they are not needy, and they are in good shape. People who want to keep all their money are simply greedy and do not understand that being part of modern civilization means paying taxes. Those that do not want to pay any tax to the US are welcome to move to another frickin country.

It is not a myth that the middle class is shrinking, that poverty is on the rise. Trickle down economics does not work. Neither do shoddy formulas about those poor wealthy people and their poor million dollar mansions.

So do I, since I barely drive at all and take public transport everywhere.

It affects a lot more than you. You buy groceries, right? The majority of groceries are shipped in by truck. You inflate gas prices, you inflate the price of that apple. Now you can't spend as much on new clothes or a new washer/dryer or that TV set, because you are paying more just to eat. The clothes manufacturers also have to raise prices, but less people are buying, so they fire people. You worked at the Gap, now you're out of a job. It's called stagflation. It will happen very soon, I promise.

That is the dumbest thing I've seen today, but the day is young.

Obviously you aren't reading your own posts.