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2005-09-16 02:18:03 AM  
Anyone keen on a sweepstakes to predict when the Iran war will start?

I am predicting January 2006, with a preemptive strike by Israel, followed up by the US.
 
2005-09-16 02:22:51 AM  
balance of power.
 
2005-09-16 02:31:21 AM  
Neurochemist: But people like US who make plans to change and improve the system hopefully will prevail afterwards and lead us into a brighter day.

Good comments in general. I agree but unfortunately it will take a very big movement to change peoples minds, if such simple examples as slavery were so difficult to rid ourselves of.
 
2005-09-16 02:52:34 AM  
2005-09-15 12:48:07 PM trashcancream [TotalFark]

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving

Michael Jackson didnt molest those children....

...he made love to them;)
 
2005-09-16 02:56:08 AM  
The sooner the middle Eastern countries have nukes, the sooner America gets back in its box. Good news all round.

consdubya - March 19th is my bet. Agreed, Israeli airstrike on nuclear facilities. No retaliation, so either the Israeli's deliberately crash a jet and claim it was shot down or Bush starts sabre rattling and attacks anyway after generating a little nationalist fervour. At this point we see another clean invasion followed by absolute chaos and vietnam style casualty figures. Except that they'll be maimings rather than killings, because armour has improved so much. Oil at $120 a bbl. Lovely. And this is before the inevitable baby killing/village raping/summary execution stories have started to leak out of iraq.
 
2005-09-16 03:04:05 AM  
Gavino:

so either the Israeli's deliberately crash a jet and claim it was shot down or Bush starts sabre rattling and attacks anyway after generating a little nationalist fervour.

I dont think the Israeli's would bother trying to claim that a jet just happened to be shot down over a nuclear facility in Iran. I dont think many people would buy into that.....

I reckon Israel will just bomb the facility using airforce jets, and then sit back and declare that any retaliation for this would be a terrorist act of war, and then fight a war against anyone who retaliates with the backing and involvement of the US.

/Thinking about buying a scooter
//Sure, they look and sound crap, but they do get you from a to b on a thimble of gas.
 
2005-09-16 03:19:20 AM  
consdubya - my only problem with your theory is that I think the Iranians are clever enough not to retaliate, but instead appeal to the world about continued Israeli aggression in the region. And we know the Bush administration like to make the decision first and then get people's perception of reality to fit it.
 
2005-09-16 03:29:00 AM  
Gavino:

my only problem with your theory is that I think the Iranians are clever enough not to retaliate, but instead appeal to the world about continued Israeli aggression in the region


Yeah, that is true.....

Iran can count on support from China and Russia, as well as other assorted countries.

And Bush, well, not bush, but cheney, has already made up his mind. Iran will be attacked. The question is how.....

The only way I see it happening is with the use of the draft in the US to get sufficient soldier numbers. And the only way to make a draft work is if there is public support for it. Public support could easily come from another 9/11 style terror attack.

It is clear that the US is going to keep waging war on oil producing nations, as it is the only way to maintain its current standard of living.

It all seems so inevitable now.

Btw, March 19th? I bit close to the move to the Euro dont you think?
 
2005-09-16 03:48:01 AM  
look for history to repeat itself any time now.
 
2005-09-16 03:56:57 AM  
I'm surprised that there have been few comments about how France and the rest of the Euro-weenies are trying to negotiate some alternative to a total breakdown of dialog with Iran. You'd think after they were proven wrong in Iraq, they'd STFU and get back to stinky cheese making.

This is work for real men.
The kind of men who wear cowboy boots.

-do I have to point out the sarcasm?
 
2005-09-16 03:59:26 AM  
ratboy: -do I have to point out the sarcasm?


Yeah, cheers for pointing it out, without it I woud have gotten the wrong idea about you otherwise :)
 
cot
2005-09-16 04:14:02 AM  
consdubya: /Thinking about buying a scooter
//Sure, they look and sound crap, but they do get you from a to b on a thimble of gas.



Buy a motorcycle. You can drive it like a scooter (ie slowly and not on the freeway) and they get great mileage too, but instead of looking like a dork you actually look cool.
 
2005-09-16 04:18:44 AM  
cot:

Buy a motorcycle. You can drive it like a scooter (ie slowly and not on the freeway) and they get great mileage too, but instead of looking like a dork you actually look cool.

Even better..... ill get a motorbike......

Heaps more fun than a scooter. Cheers for the recommendation!
 
2005-09-16 04:29:30 AM  
 
2005-09-16 05:37:11 AM  
Why do I get the feeling the EU and US are playing good cop, bad cop with Iran?
 
2005-09-16 06:26:22 AM  
If they have a bomb, will they use it?
The USA has the fine distinction of being the only nation to ever use one of these things on civilians. Ooops...sorry...TWO OF THESE THINGS!
 
2005-09-16 07:28:07 AM  
Congrats Bush, the world doesn't seem to be sure who is worse now - us or Iran.

FU people who voted for this ahole amateur.
 
2005-09-16 07:32:17 AM  
-consdubya-

"Yeah, cheers for pointing it out, without it I woud have gotten the wrong idea about you otherwise :)"

I hate having to do it, but I don't want to be accused of parroting talking points from AM radio.
 
2005-09-16 08:39:30 AM  
...right because America forced Iran to do this.

/notevengonnabother
 
2005-09-16 09:45:33 AM  
'vernonFL [TotalFark]
Countries that can't get indoor plumbing working shouldn't be allowed to leapfrog like this.

Iran is actually a very modern country, its not like Afghanistan. Tehran is a very worldly city. '

They want to share. I was speaking of a nuclear armed I dunno, Kuwait! They are too farking lazy to get up and pour their own lemonade and yet they should have nukes? Did you see those schmucks moving the 55 gallon drums. Yeah, Iran is all modern and stuff. Pbbbt. They are from the ME. They can't do shiat right. Come on. Nuclear plants and nuke sites all over the ME. They'll make Homer and Springfield look like Lawrence Livermore labs. If nukes proliferate WE ARE SCREWED. THE WORLD IS SCREWED. That's why we had all those big friggin serious SALT talks and non-proliferation treaties, to keep this genie in the bottle.
 
2005-09-16 09:48:27 AM  
I love the moralists. You magnify the little differences...see the US is so much better in these aspects. But it's not that much of a difference from 10,000 feet.
And the US has so many areas in need of improvement...who are we to judge? Might makes right? Hee hee...that's such a cute child-like view of the world. Simple people like that one. Easy to understand. It leverages those old monkey intuitions that they claim wer eplaced there by a god.
 
2005-09-16 09:48:40 AM  
Oh and Iran's President looks like a friggin bum. thought I'd get that in there.
 
2005-09-16 10:09:52 AM  
Why the fark should we wait until they have lots of nuclear missiles and have shared them with other rogue states before wiping them off the planet?

I hate that we don't use our nukes. If we had taken out Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran on 9/12, we would already have lived down the outcries from other countries by now, it would have cost FAR less than the wars, and anyone else thinking about becoming rogue would have to stop.

/rant
 
2005-09-16 10:12:11 AM  
hey guys, stop beeing afraid...

when a dog is afraid it bites!!! it's the same with the US.
Iran i as poor country...as almost all muslim states.
Let the country develop I mean... in history the only ones that have used nuclear weapons is the US, so they should not have the right to produce more.

Iran's treat is like Iraq.... it's all lies.
 
2005-09-16 10:22:22 AM  
There seems to be a building momentum for an Iran invasion. I hope everyone realizes that it will be at least 10 times as difficult to invade Iran than it was Iraq. And Iran actually DOES have the capacity to make and story WMDs.
 
2005-09-16 10:42:24 AM  
[GIR]Hurray! We're doomed![/GIR]
 
2005-09-16 11:17:33 AM  
Let's be clear about one thing - this could turn into a holy war. By invading Afganistan & Iraq, the US has inadvertantly taken on the entire Muslim world.

Most Muslim countries are poor - that's what makes them dangerous Let's take generally poor, uneducated people, with essentially nothing to lose, and give them the biggest weapons on the planet. Couple that with their willingness to attack civilian targets and the potential for things to get really really bad is too high to ignore.

Millions could die in a single attack.

Now who want's Iran to have nukes again?

/Sorry for the alarmist attitude, but this is scary stuff.
//Glad I don't live in Israel.
 
2005-09-16 11:18:43 AM  
Yeah! All heed to the American culture of fear.
 
2005-09-16 11:26:21 AM  
Shoot, all we need to do is repeal all the womens and civil rights movements, have everyone in America convert to Islam, and force all schools to abandon most of thier science and math curriculums to preach Islamic texts and we should be fine right?

Heck and we wont need a military, most of our children will be more than happy to strap bombs on themselves after a few years of indoctrination into islamic fascism and clean up all those other "progressive" countries that dare try to keep advancing through the 21st century.
 
2005-09-16 11:46:43 AM  
Damn, so now we've got China, France, India, Russia, Pakistan, Iran, the UK and US with nukes. We've got about 2600 more than anyone else...

Someone please think of the flash cartoons!!!

farking kangaroos
 
2005-09-16 11:55:38 AM  
'frankbob

hey guys, stop beeing afraid...

when a dog is afraid it bites!!! it's the same with the US.
Iran i as poor country...as almost all muslim states.
Let the country develop I mean... in history the only ones that have used nuclear weapons is the US, so they should not have the right to produce more.

Iran's treat is like Iraq.... it's all lies.'

frankbob al-husseini-al-almadi is that you? thanks for weighing in.
 
2005-09-16 12:03:19 PM  
Y'all remember when Yahoo took down the private chat rooms? I forget what their excuse was... something about lewdness and corporate sponsors, I think.

Before they took them down, I sent several emails to yahoo, CNN, and FOX about the yahoo private voice chat rooms. Every one of them had the title of TEHRAN or IRAN or something similar, and if you entered one, it was just a bunch of middle-easterners talking. I hope they were being monitored.
 
2005-09-16 12:15:09 PM  
NarrMaster is a filthy person with a filthy way of expressing himself when he can no longer justify his arguments and political animosities.

General Zang has absolutely no grasp of politics, foreign relations, war, peace, or semantics. He evades the hard questions by parsing what he has said.

That being said, the axioms I originally wrote still stand. At this time, I foresee Iran lauching a nuclear missile in an act of belligerant war. This in no way will be George Bush's fault. The only question remaining is what the US response to this attack will be.
 
2005-09-16 12:19:31 PM  
catdrchris: My conclusion is that a friggin' frightening percentage of Muslims want infidels dead or converted

Dude--a friggin frightening percentage of....6000 people?

Hardly constitutes any kind of majority...
 
2005-09-16 12:33:05 PM  
dont worry, the UN will write a nasty letter to Tehran
 
2005-09-16 01:27:28 PM  
diseasd - why are brain donors like you so pissed that the UN doesn't have a standing army that goes around doing the bidding of the world? America would last about 15 farking seconds under that regime. As it is, America has about 60% of the say of what the UN does, and if it doesn't like it, does it's own thing anyway. What the fark is your problem? Really, I want to know? Is it something you heard on the radio or read on the internets?
 
2005-09-16 01:29:55 PM  
whammer - and there's something wrong with you too, the last time Iran attacked anyone it was called Persia and Herodotus wrote about it.

I don't like the regime, but that's beside the point. They aren't aggressive and never have been.
 
2005-09-16 01:33:06 PM  
If only the US would stop dicking around with Iran all these years, you wouldn't be in this position.

Suckers.
 
2005-09-16 02:09:55 PM  
2005-09-16 01:33:06 PM Rammek88

You country doesn't matter. And, based on the amount of Canadians on FARK, I'd wager your nation doesn't even have a decent web site to visit.

Welcome to America. Enjoy your stay.
 
2005-09-16 02:12:54 PM  
'Gavino [TotalFark]

whammer - and there's something wrong with you too, the last time Iran attacked anyone it was called Persia and Herodotus wrote about it.

I don't like the regime, but that's beside the point. They aren't aggressive and never have been.'

*cough* marine barracks bombing lebanon*hezbollah*iran iraq war to control Shatt al Arab waterway*did I mention hezbollah*cough*
 
2005-09-16 02:35:51 PM  
Kangaroo_Ralph
I hate that we don't use our nukes. If we had taken out Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran on 9/12, we would already have lived down the outcries from other countries by now, it would have cost FAR less than the wars, and anyone else thinking about becoming rogue would have to stop.


Yeah, we'll live down the outcries from other countries when we've annihilated the human race.

And sure, let's kill 125 million people because about 6000 are terrorists. Those other 99.995% are acceptable casualties, right? Sure, it's fine and dandy to kill 21,000 innocent people for every guilty person. Maybe we should try that approach to crime right here. Have a serial killer? Nuke the town. You'll probably hit someone guilty.

I love when people suggest we should fight terrorism by becoming the worst terrorists in all of human history.
 
2005-09-16 03:05:40 PM  
Kangaroo_Ralph

Why the fark should we wait until they have lots of nuclear missiles and have shared them with other rogue states before wiping them off the planet?


using nuclear weapons is serious business, that's why we're worried ya know. to wipe iran off the planet is to do serious damage to everyone on it. you realize this don't you?
I'm not saying I have a solution, but I promise what you're suggesting is like using a shotgun to kill a fly. it's crazy and stupid.

I hate that we don't use our nukes. If we had taken out Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran on 9/12, we would already have lived down the outcries from other countries by now, it would have cost FAR less than the wars, and anyone else thinking about becoming rogue would have to stop.

this is just plain stupid. it's also total bullshiat. if we had done that we'd be a world outcast and possibly non-existent. think before you rant. you're coming off like a crazy person.

frankbob

hey guys, stop beeing afraid...

some fears are totally legit. we should definitely be worried about this. tell me why we shouldn't be.
 
2005-09-16 03:34:28 PM  
Colgate

If nukes proliferate WE ARE SCREWED. THE WORLD IS SCREWED. That's why we had all those big friggin serious SALT talks and non-proliferation treaties, to keep this genie in the bottle.

ah, something I can agree with colgate about, a rare moment. unfortunately I'd say the genie is out. even if you can somehow be sure to keep countries like iran from enriching uranium you've still got all those russian warheads out there, oh, let's not forget NK.
this is one of those clusterfarks that gets way too complicated. I know a bad idea when I here one (like wiping them off the planet), but I sure as hell can't figure out the answer here.
i know this is way out there, but if there were some technology that could take the boom out of nuclear weapons, like a magnet takes the info from a tape, that would be nice. of course, back in reality now, I'm stumped.
 
2005-09-16 03:44:51 PM  
Can't we just save them the trouble and nuke the "Holy Land" ourselves?

36 hours notice and we'll even provide the buses to move them out!
 
2005-09-16 04:57:37 PM  
whammer said:

General Zang has absolutely no grasp of politics, foreign relations, war, peace, or semantics.


Oh really?

Well, since this is coming from a man who posts on Fark like it's his primarary duty in life to help George Bush evade responsibility for the plainly-visible consequences of his own actions, then I take this as high praise.

He evades the hard questions by parsing what he has said.

Nope. I say exactly what I mean, and I mean exactly what I say. Unless I mispell it or something ;)

If that makes it difficult for you to pull out the tired old right-wing strawman arguments, then too bad, so sad.

That being said, the axioms I originally wrote still stand. At this time, I foresee Iran lauching a nuclear missile in an act of belligerant war.

I can see why you see that.

I can foresee that a bee's nest that gets poked by a stick dozens of times will eventually have some bees fly out and sting the moron with the stick.

This in no way will be George Bush's fault.

Uh huh... so declaring that your nation has a policy of "preventative war", and putting through new rules that say it's ok for a US "first strike" using nuclear missiles, and then declaring that Iran is part of an "Axis of Evil"... and then invading one of the other two nations so designated, and then placing ground troops on both sides of Iran, and then stationing a huge naval presence within strike range of the Iranian coast.. all these things AREN'T like poking a bee's nest with a stick??

Hell, the only thing that George Bush *hasn't* done is shiat on an Iranian flag on national television while beating off on a copy of the Koran.

I guess he's saving that for after the 2006 elections.

The only question remaining is what the US response to this attack will be.

No... wondering what your response will be when the bees sting you for poking their nest is the STUPID question.

The SMART question is: "Why in the hell am I poking this bee's nest?"
 
2005-09-16 05:00:19 PM  
unexplained bacon & Colgate If nukes proliferate WE ARE SCREWED. THE WORLD IS SCREWED.

That's so 90's biatches. Actually, if nukes proliferate, only the US is screwed, because they will have to stay the fark at home. If missliles proliferate, then they might actually be used, so then Europe has to pay attention. It's no longer in Europe's interest to make sure that countries can't defend themselves because the only agression outside of Africa now has a distinctly badly articulated British Colonial feel to it. Remember who it was that armed Israeel, and the US didn't find out till 2005. Just think what France is up to now.

No, nobody else is retarded enough to actually explode the devices unless they have a foreign army on their own soil.

The biggest threat to the sovereignty and lives of ordinary people living anywhere near oil or pipeline gatewatys right now is America. It's hard to argue against giving people the means to defend themselves, particularly since Rousseau and my fellow Norfolk boy Thomas Paine argued so hard for the second amendment for exactly this kind of reason.
 
2005-09-16 05:05:21 PM  
Colgate - sorry, you mean the Syrian political party Hezbolah? The one that anyone who hates the US has contributed to, including most notably - THE CURRENT PAKISTANI ADMINISTRATION?

Get a farkin argument. You are relying entirely on racism if you want that bunch of semitic extremists tied up with Iran (who are non-semitic).
 
2005-09-16 05:14:08 PM  
That being said, the axioms I originally wrote still stand. At this time, I foresee Iran lauching a nuclear missile in an act of belligerant war.

Other people attribute axioms, usually some years after they've been proven to be correct, or at least expedient for someone who matters.
 
2005-09-16 05:17:00 PM  
Gavino

No, nobody else is retarded enough to actually explode the devices unless they have a foreign army on their own soil.

nobody?
or somebody?
really you're guessing, you couldn't know that. it's a gamble.
iran's mullahs think they are in an epic struggle against the great satan. religious zealots the lot of 'em. as long as they're in control of that country we might want to worry a bit. yeah, yeah pakistan worries me too.
...and I'm not too happy about US foriegn policy right now either. I can worry about all of that, and I think I should...though it does nothing. well, I guess it raises my blood pressure. probably has something to do with all the heartburn too...

/oh yeah...biatch
 
2005-09-16 05:29:20 PM  
Kangaroo_Ralph said:

Why the fark should we wait until they have lots of nuclear missiles and have shared them with other rogue states before wiping them off the planet?


Chernobyll.

One nuclear reactor caught on fire in the mid 1980s in ByeloRussia. Tens of thousands who were sent to clean it up were dead within a year.

Millions of people were displaced from their homes, and could nevr return to that region. Tens of thousands of children from the region died within five years, and the incident of birth defects among the post-disaster-born children of the refugess is about 50x the normal rate of birth defects.

Eight hundred miles West of the disaster, the milk from cows who ate grass in GERMANY that had been contaminated by wind-borne radioactive particles was found to be itself radioactive and unsafe to drink.

Same thing across Scandinavia... they had to throw out milk production for three years in a row... in an area more than 800 miles from the disaster at Chernobyll.

Meanwhile, back in the region immediatelly surrounding Chernobyll, the forests glow at night, and to leave the road and walk into the trees is certain death within minutes... because they absorbed the radiation as they grew from the soil and water.

They also have 2 meter-long (6 foot long) catfish swimming in the surrounding bodies of water... and if you eat them, you'll die. Heck... if you *touched* them long enough, you'd get sick.

All that was from a single nuclear power-plant catching fire.... and releasing radiation that is about 1/20th (one twentieth) of what one of our big nukes would release when used.

And, you're wondering why we don't break out a bunch of our nukes that are 20 times more powerfully radioactive than what happened at Chernobyll, and start lobbing them about in highly populated regions?

Newsflash: Nuclear weapons are the weapons to end all wars. No one can afford to actually use them, and whover uses them first will become a pariah nation, with every other nation on Earth lining up to topple their regime... out of sheer self-preservation.

So, how about we NOT be that nation?
 
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