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(Some Cricket Fan)   Ashes final test -- final day discussion   ( divider line
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6878 clicks; posted to Main » on 12 Sep 2005 at 9:52 AM (12 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2005-09-12 10:13:37 AM  

If you're in HK, how do you know?
2005-09-12 10:14:18 AM  
Cricket!? Nobody understands cricket. You gotta know what a crumpet is in order to understand cricket.

2005-09-12 10:14:18 AM  
Cricket is so not cool...

/not a real sport!
//slashes rile
2005-09-12 10:14:34 AM  
Too bad. I enjoyed the ten years of dominance. Of course, they got beat by India in India in 2001, but unlike that time (since India has really just bottomed out since then) this really does seem like a changing of the guard.
2005-09-12 10:15:11 AM  

I still say that if the Aussies need to do it, they'll give it a bloody good shot. They haven't dominated world cricket for ages for nothing!

Aussie batting should be interesting though - I imagine it'll be like one-day cricket on acid.
2005-09-12 10:16:17 AM  
I would think that Aussies would go into their innings one-day style. With Ponting and Gilchrist opening the innings.
2005-09-12 10:16:23 AM  
is_truth: there are still around 50 overs left in the day with England having a lead of 227. I would like to see them play to about 300 and give the Aussies 30 overs to bat. That should be interesting.

Definatly would. I'd have Gilly and Hayden open, one day international style. :)
2005-09-12 10:17:43 AM  
Pieterson is having a great innings.

See, this is part of the problem. Cricket's bizarre enough. Then throw in the language barrier.
2005-09-12 10:17:48 AM  
Gilchrist and Hayden...with Ponting one-down.
2005-09-12 10:17:51 AM  
Test matches are so farking boring....One Days are where the real action is!
2005-09-12 10:18:02 AM  

Like it or not though, you have to bring someone through. All your bowlers are over 30.
2005-09-12 10:18:04 AM  
Best. Ashes. Ever.

2005-09-12 10:18:37 AM  

I always thought baseball couldn't compare to alpine skiing, as they don't even bother to do it on snow. Wimps! Then I realized neither sport is as good as pole-vault because neither ski poles nore baseball bats are as long as that pole. Of course, can any sport compare to Lawn Bowling?

Stop comparing apples to oranges. Let me guess, you're itching to compare American Football to Rugby, aren't you?
2005-09-12 10:19:28 AM  
Barton Fink
There is a limit to the number of overs that can be played today, I believe that there are 47 overs left to be played (excluding 2 used between innings).

The bad light rule also applies.
2005-09-12 10:19:29 AM  

Firstly, yes. I'm an American and damn proud of it

Good for you, chuck.

Secondly, rounders:baseball::cricket:baseball, watered down the both of them. Read: Pitches faster than cricket

Hang around Fark a while and you learn some statistics - the records for baseball pitching and cricket bowling are equal at 100mph.

and actually having to place your hit, not just whack wildly at the ball

You don't know anything about cricket, do you? The batting side alone is about fifty times more complex than baseball due to the bounce.

Thanks for playing, though.
2005-09-12 10:20:48 AM  

I believe it ends when mummy calls for dinner

that makes little to no sense.
2005-09-12 10:21:59 AM  

Big up to England... I gtg to work so I'll miss the end.

/go cricket!
//it's not that difficult a sport to understand
///reading is fundamental
2005-09-12 10:22:06 AM  
petermonica: Read: Pitches faster than cricket (without having to run up to throw at that speed)

Wrong. They're actually about the same speed (95mph/150kmh). And cricket bowlers don't throw; they can't, it's cheating. They have to have a straight arm with they bowl.

and actually having to place your hit, not just whack wildly at the ball.

Wrong again. Baseballer's hardly "place" their hit at all. What's the field size like? It's tiny, you can either hit it slightly to the left or slightly to the right. In cricket you have an entire field (360 degrees) to score on and must bat accordingly. There are a billion more variations of cricket shots compared to baseball shots.

In baseball the pitcher must throw the ball in one place all the time. What the hell is that? In cricket you can bowl the ball anywhere legally. Therefore, cricket batters have to have alot of different shots to play depending on where the ball is.
2005-09-12 10:22:25 AM  

Not in the least. And if you can't see the similarities between baseball and rounders or baseball and cricket than perhaps you should watch them to understand (I'm not the only one who sees parallels). I'm sorry, but I didn't bring baseball into the discussion (thanks, Jaboobinator) but I won't stand idly by and listen to someone call it rounders.

//Go Yankees!
2005-09-12 10:23:14 AM  
snosty: you're itching to compare American Football to Rugby, aren't you?

You just leave soccer out of this, ok?
2005-09-12 10:23:33 AM  
Even if England was out, there wouldn't really be enough overs left for Australia to win unless they bat insanely well. It's done.

Not really as the last hour doesn't start until 83.4 overs. It's a long day yet.
2005-09-12 10:23:58 AM  
I googled "baseball versus cricket" and I found this (pops) poll. I think it says all you need to know. Haha suckers! Freddie Flintoff owns Babe Ruth!!!!!11
2005-09-12 10:24:06 AM  
cricket commentary is teh dog's. they chat gently about what there is for tea, and a couple of seagulls pottering about just inside the boundary
2005-09-12 10:24:27 AM  
and actually having to place your hit, not just whack wildly at the ball.


That has got to be the stupidest statement I've ever heard. Baseball is whacking the ball, cricket is all placement.

2005-09-12 10:25:40 AM  
Cricket threads shouldn't be greenlighted unless there's a supply of volunteers ready to translate it into American.

Having tried to explain the game to a Yank I must agree - they lack the grey matter.
2005-09-12 10:26:44 AM  

The comparisons are obvious, but the point I was making is that while you can compare them, you probably shouldn't. If they were ever the same game they are most certainly not now.

Sorry, I'm just rubbed the wrong way by people who declare certain sports to be better than other sports that are similiar without bothering to understand what they're comparing. As a Canadian in London I get all sorts of crap about North American sports from the Brits while I'm here and take all sorts of crap about British sports when I'm back home. I think the next person who gives me crap is going to have to watch me drop-kick their baby.
2005-09-12 10:29:27 AM  
Having tried to explain the game to a Yank I must agree - they lack the grey matter

2005-09-12 10:29:31 AM  
Krikkit is the only reason this yank knows what the Ashhes Test is.


And regarding the "Gay for taking tea comments" - the game lasts all day knobsock.
2005-09-12 10:29:40 AM  
Lets leave it at this:

England are winning
Aussies are playing well
American sports suck
2005-09-12 10:29:59 AM  
2005-09-12 10:30:40 AM  
Started again after tea. Dangerous time for the batters with Warne up first.
2005-09-12 10:31:09 AM  
Mitch119: Baseballer's hardly "place" their hit at all.

hee, "Baseballer's"

What is a Baseballer's hardly anyway?

/me gives crap to snosty
//me laughs devilishly at starting a nice intercontinental arguement online
2005-09-12 10:31:18 AM  
Oh, and Pietersen was born in South Africa, but we don't care :)
2005-09-12 10:31:42 AM  
quick question....
does the match end when it's too dark too play or is there a specific time when the day's play is over?

It's based on over rate - when it hits 83.4 overs then it's 1 hour to go.

And when it comes to tactical acumen this is the best game on Earth - plus if you heard some of the sledging you'd piss yourself laughing:


Bowler to batter

"Why are you such a fat bastard"

Batter to bvowler

"Because every time i fark. your mum she gives me a biscuit"

2005-09-12 10:32:34 AM  
Oh, was that tea time? I thought it was "Mum's Buttered Scones" time or something. Cricket is confusing.

/Warne's nose is white. That's funny.
2005-09-12 10:33:07 AM  
So far, my favorite thing about cricket is trying to learn the rules. Actually, my *favorite* thing about cricket is the drinking. I'm not normally one for drinking before noon, but it seems so *civilized* when you do it at Lords...
2005-09-12 10:33:59 AM  
snosty - what's Canada got to be ashamed of? Ice Hockey and Basketball are yours, aren't they?

/Try it punk, she'll bite yer farkin leg off.
2005-09-12 10:34:04 AM  
There isn't a bloke in my office without the BBC Live scorecard in the corner of the screen!

/we're gonna win!
//or draw
///same thing
2005-09-12 10:36:10 AM  
Goddam Pieterson.....

Absolute miracle needed here....
2005-09-12 10:37:23 AM  
Anyone at the ground? Quick... run out and stab Peiterson. Maybe that'll stop him.
2005-09-12 10:37:42 AM  
At least Flintoss went cheap....

And Warney is being a hero....

But still..... not gonna happen.....
2005-09-12 10:38:00 AM  
I am not here to criticize at all, so let that be known. I have tried to understand cricket. I really have. Even when the sport is explained to me in "baseball terms," I don't understand. What I find most enjoyable about my lack of understanding, is that when it is explained, we are speaking the same language, but we're not.

/I immediately thought this thread was about Army of Darkness
//Not even a fan of that series
///Just seemed
2005-09-12 10:38:25 AM  

There isn't a bloke in my office without the BBC Live scorecard in the corner of the screen!

Same here.
2005-09-12 10:38:39 AM  

It's based on over rate - when it hits 83.4 overs then it's 1 hour to go.

ah, interesting. thanks for that.

so my comment above about if england goes all out within the hour australia has a chance makes no sense.

it kinda makes sense but in a different way than i initially thought.

thanks ya cheeky muppet!
2005-09-12 10:38:46 AM  
Mitch119: Anyone at the ground? Quick... run out and stab Peiterson. Maybe that'll stop him.

I like your thinking there.....

Anyone? Please?
2005-09-12 10:39:08 AM  

Canada has nothing to be ashamed of? er.. Celine Dion?

But seriously... You're right, but the average Brit no more understands NA sports than a Canadian (or American) understands British or European sports. Is Ice Hockey a great game? I think so, but try telling that to the average English bloke on the street. "They wear too many pads" or, um, actually they usually complain about the pads. American style football gets a lot of crap over here as they compare it to Rugby and moan about how unfit they are or how they need to wear all those pads. The fact that deaths in the NFL would occur in multiples each game if they didn't have those pads (and played the same way) doesn't matter. Much like to an NFL fan they think Rugby players are small and wimpy. Go figure.

So, in conclusion, there is one universal truth amongst diehard sports fans who believe their sport is king amongst all: They're stupid.
2005-09-12 10:39:32 AM  
Barton Fink: GungFu

I believe it ends when mummy calls for dinner

that makes little to no sense.

And that ties in neatly with the game that is cricket.
2005-09-12 10:39:50 AM  

Another 4......
2005-09-12 10:40:41 AM  
To those of you who have made mention of how big a deal this is to the "Brits", I'd just like to point out that most Scots, Irish, and possibly (though to a lesser extent) Welsh couldn't give a flying fark.

In fact, it'd be fair to say that we're fed up with the blanket coverage that this test match has been getting on "national" television.

Rob Bonnet (BBC sports reporter/aspwipe) calling this "the greatest sporting event to hit these shores since a certain day in 1966" on Breakfast TV last week really made me gag. Of course, this was followed by a clip of England winning the '66 football World Cup - nothing to do with cricket, but of course any excuse will do. (Whenever an England game is on live, my local pub usually has a sweepstakes where you have to guess the minute when the commentators first mention 1966. The money is almost always won.)

Enjoy your victory guys, England fans. Your team has played well (for the first time in decades), but just for once, try to get your media to bring a touch of modesty and decorum to your celebrations. I don't begrudge English sports fans their moment of glory at all, but if it wasn't for the hysterical way the English media/commentators normally reacts to all things sporting, you might be surprised at how many other "Brits" might actually give you a little cheer now and then!
2005-09-12 10:41:18 AM  
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