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(mediabistro.com)   CNN openly questions why they could cover the Iraq War and South Pacific tsunami devastation, but FEMA won't let them cover ongoing NOLA rescue operations. And by "openly questions", I mean "files lawsuit".   (mediabistro.com ) divider line
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2005-09-10 07:51:55 AM  
Hero indeed.
 
2005-09-10 08:00:16 AM  
Good for them. What is FEMA trying to hide? Ill bet they claim its for the "privacy" of the victims.
 
2005-09-10 08:05:57 AM  
The MSM growing a pair of balls?

Next thing you know, they'll stop throwing our politicians softball questions and, you know, DO THEIR FARKING JOBS
 
2005-09-10 08:07:16 AM  
Yeah they're definitely trying to hide their incompetency. Screw them, i want my tax dollars back.
 
2005-09-10 08:13:59 AM  
This is one person who deserves one of those $2000 debit cards W is always talking about just to help make up for what he put out (time, money and the cost to his body) to do the right thing. I just hope a lot more people like him pop up the next time a disaster happens somewhere here in the US.
\Hero isn't a sandwich... it drives a duece and a half
 
2005-09-10 08:14:10 AM  
moltov:

Yeah they're definitely trying to hide their incompetency. Screw them, i want my tax dollars back.

I was talking about the medias, but you know, I'm not even EXPECTING the government to do it's job.

That's why I vote libertarian. Kill evil by striking at it's roots
 
2005-09-10 08:14:43 AM  
Double edged sword on this one. I hope CNN gets a favorable ruling, but I also hope they are extremely sensitive with regards to any deceased they encounter.
 
2005-09-10 08:19:27 AM  
So they're suing so they can cover the retrieval of deceased? Stupid. I wouldn't want my loved ones dead body on the evening news, especially since a majority are still presumed missing. And you know CNN will run that coverage w/o respect. You know this. They tell you how respectful they are being, but the footage won't be. They're still under martial law right?
 
2005-09-10 08:26:38 AM  
DGAR, your country's constitution guarantees freedom of the press, regardless of the issue being covered. CNN, like any other news media, shows dead bodies all the time - why is this situation any different? And why would you want to surpress free speech?
 
2005-09-10 08:28:15 AM  
Good on CNN
 
2005-09-10 08:28:52 AM  
leperboy69: And why would you want to surpress free speech?
I don't want to, but the city is under martial law. Freedom of the press is a no-brainer, but I won't watch it.
 
2005-09-10 08:33:13 AM  
DGAR
I don't want to, but the city is under martial law.
Nope

Freedom of the press is a no-brainer, but I won't watch it.
You're not being forced to. But the government restricting press access to an event like this sets a worrying precedent.
 
2005-09-10 08:38:27 AM  
tatsuma

I recently dropped my republicrap status and changed my party assn. to Libertarian. Too bad I have to wait til '08 to use it.
 
2005-09-10 08:40:25 AM  
But the government restricting press access to an event like this sets a worrying precedent.

From what I understand, the press has access. What they are not being given is government-funded rides on emergency crew vehicles. They have also been requested to show respect, but since they have never honored such a request.

Frankly, the hurricane paparazzi are starting to become disgusting.
 
2005-09-10 08:40:55 AM  
You don't have Senators coming up in '06, moltov?
 
2005-09-10 08:43:31 AM  
moltov:

I recently dropped my republicrap status and changed my party assn. to Libertarian. Too bad I have to wait til '08 to use it.

Good for you....

You know what's funny? When it comes to what the two parties are supposed to be, on paper, I'm far far far far closer to the republicans than I am to the democrats

States' Rights? Check
Individual Rights? Check
Balanced Budget? Check
Smallest Government Possible? Check
No Nation Building? Check
2nd Ammendment? Check
Personal Responsability? Check

etc... etc... etc...


But for the love of god, when it comes to their actual actions, they make me tip strongly toward the democrats, the bastards, and it's not like I *want* that.

Even though, to be fair, the best period america was under clinton, gridlocked by congress


Get a Democrat President, Republican-controlled congress, a house 50/50 and it's the best possible government we can ever have
 
2005-09-10 08:46:04 AM  
Boojum

From what I understand, you're understanding is wrong. Do you have a source?
 
2005-09-10 09:00:58 AM  
DGAR

I wouldn't want my loved ones dead body on the evening news, especially since a majority are still presumed missing. And you know CNN will run that coverage w/o respect.

Would it be more "respectful" to forget about them and pretend nobody died in New Orleans?
 
2005-09-10 09:02:30 AM  
I don't think CNN will be broadcasting the deceased over live TV. The media also takes footage for future documentaries and for history's sake.
 
2005-09-10 09:03:06 AM  
jsnbase

Mainly TotalFark, to be honest. There was the article a few days ago about Duke University students using press passes to sneak in and provide assistance, so that implies the press have access. The article that orignally started the whole "the press is being denied access" referred to retrieval boat and vehicle crews refusing to take along press photography crews because that would be less room for either human remains or rescued survivors.

If the press wants to get their own boats and vehicles, and take the risks associated with the contaminated waters, and abide by public safety concerns, then they should be allowed in.
 
2005-09-10 09:03:22 AM  
This is an odd thread for people to be declaring their new love of the Libertarian Party. The Libertarian approach to this disaster would have been- "You're on your own. Good luck..."
 
2005-09-10 09:05:25 AM  
Think about how many more holocaust deniers we would have if we weren't able to document the atrocities at the German death camps.
 
2005-09-10 09:07:34 AM  
I'm so proud of our media... the woke up finally and are acting like real news media always should. No more of the P Diddy just being called Diddy crap..

Real news and real questions.
 
2005-09-10 09:09:08 AM  
Cuchulane:

This is an odd thread for people to be declaring their new love of the Libertarian Party. The Libertarian approach to this disaster would have been- "You're on your own. Good luck..."

Yup, but the libertarian wouldn't be raping our pockets for money supposed to help us go through this then leave us in deep shiate.
 
2005-09-10 09:09:31 AM  
Seth_J
I'm so proud of our media... the woke up finally and are acting like real news media always should. No more of the P Diddy just being called Diddy crap..

Sadly, I think it'll be temporary, and the media will go back to being the governmental whore in a month or so. I hope I'm proven wrong.
 
2005-09-10 09:13:17 AM  
stiletto_the_wise: DGAR

I wouldn't want my loved ones dead body on the evening news, especially since a majority are still presumed missing. And you know CNN will run that coverage w/o respect.

Would it be more "respectful" to forget about them and pretend nobody died in New Orleans?



The press has no right to enter a private citizens home. Just because this is a disaster area changes nothing. When the police/fire go to recover a body when they get a 911 call the press has NO right to come inside with the rescue teams. This is just dumb. If they want to recover a body along side a road, they can stand back and film all they want. But if this injunction is upheld, where do the powers of the press stop? They can follow the police inside private homes? Well then why can't they come inside the police station and film the autopsy? I think the fark left has lost it on this one. These people didn't die because of W or the Democrat administrations in Louisiana. They died because of a hurricane. And to act now like the press has some big duty to go in and uncover something. Like there is a big conspiracy to not show the dead. They have already sent for like 25,000 body bags. This like I have said is just dumb.

/end rant
 
2005-09-10 09:16:09 AM  
KingLago

Where has CNN stated that they were seeking entry to people's homes?
 
2005-09-10 09:17:12 AM  
mediaho: Think about how many more holocaust deniers we would have if we weren't able to document the atrocities at the German death camps.


That is such a shiatty analogy. You think the rescuers are going to hide the bodies unless the press is there watching over their shoulder??? And who is going to deny any of this has happened? It is on cable news all day long.
 
2005-09-10 09:18:40 AM  
leperboy69: Sadly, I think it'll be temporary, and the media will go back to being the governmental whore in a month or so. I hope I'm proven wrong.

Me too... It just make me proud to see them doing their job for once.
 
2005-09-10 09:19:23 AM  
leperboy69: KingLago

Where has CNN stated that they were seeking entry to people's homes?



I think it is common sense. They want to see inside homes when bodies are recovered and the morgue. Where most bodies are going to end up being located. They already have access to the ones on the streets, because they have the right to be on the streets.
 
2005-09-10 09:19:24 AM  
KingLago: That is such a shiatty analogy. You think the rescuers are going to hide the bodies unless the press is there watching over their shoulder??? And who is going to deny any of this has happened? It is on cable news all day long.

It's not an analogy per se, it's an example of why media needs to be able to document what is going on for the people who aren't there and for future generations.
 
2005-09-10 09:20:07 AM  
leperboy69: Where has CNN stated that they were seeking entry to people's homes?

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2005-09-10 09:21:56 AM  
Good. Government on all levels would probably love to bury what happened and the first step would be to prevent the media from recording evidence.
 
2005-09-10 09:22:17 AM  
mediaho: KingLago: That is such a shiatty analogy. You think the rescuers are going to hide the bodies unless the press is there watching over their shoulder??? And who is going to deny any of this has happened? It is on cable news all day long.

It's not an analogy per se, it's an example of why media needs to be able to document what is going on for the people who aren't there and for future generations.



I think they are already doing that. Turn on CNN right now, and I bet any time for the next month and see whats on tv.
 
2005-09-10 09:23:02 AM  
mediaho

Hmm, isn't there some internet rule about Nazi comparisons, particularly in wildly inappropriate circumstances?


/"they're more like guidelines, actually."
 
2005-09-10 09:23:17 AM  
KingLago: I think they are already doing that. Turn on CNN right now, and I bet any time for the next month and see whats on tv.

You wouldn't happen to be a fan of "Free Speech Zones" now, would you?
 
2005-09-10 09:23:31 AM  
This is the same media outlet that won't show footage of the WTC attacks?
 
2005-09-10 09:23:37 AM  
KingLago
I think it is common sense. They want to see inside homes when bodies are recovered and the morgue. Where most bodies are going to end up being located.

Again, where has CNN stated they were seeking entry to people's homes?

It's not blatant "common sense" at all - CNN has stated they are filing a lawsuit to challenge being excluded from covering recovery options in New Orleans and the surrounding area. You wish to to not allow them that because you think they may enter private property as well?
 
2005-09-10 09:23:57 AM  
Boojum2k: Hmm, isn't there some internet rule about Nazi comparisons, particularly in wildly inappropriate circumstances?

Okay, fine. Miss the point if you want.
 
2005-09-10 09:24:21 AM  
damageddude: Good. Government on all levels would probably love to bury what happened and the first step would be to prevent the media from recording evidence.


Bury what? That people died in a hurricane? I think they have already acknowledged that by asking for tens of thousands of body bags.
 
2005-09-10 09:27:47 AM  
I'm glad to see the usual suspects attacking the press again.
Maybe this time "old media" won't cave to the pressure.
 
2005-09-10 09:28:20 AM  
mediaho

No, really, what was the point? The Holocaust was an intentional act by followers of an evil ideology. Hurricane Katrina was a result of ocean heat rising into the atmosphere and spiraling due to the coriolis effect, a process that occurs several times a year, quite naturally.
 
2005-09-10 09:30:12 AM  
leperboy69: KingLago
I think it is common sense. They want to see inside homes when bodies are recovered and the morgue. Where most bodies are going to end up being located.

Again, where has CNN stated they were seeking entry to people's homes?

It's not blatant "common sense" at all - CNN has stated they are filing a lawsuit to challenge being excluded from covering recovery options in New Orleans and the surrounding area. You wish to to not allow them that because you think they may enter private property as well?



"Victim recovery process," again I guess we have to see what they want to cover exactly. But it sound to me like they want to see bodies. And I think the majority of bodies are going to be in people's homes when the water goes down.

And if Cnn is suing to ride along in the helicopters or on the boat, they have no right to do that either.
 
2005-09-10 09:33:37 AM  
KingLago
And I think the majority of bodies are going to be in people's homes when the water goes down.

That's fine - so they film the bodies being wheeled out from the street - I assume you have no issue with that? I agree with you that they shouldn't be allowed on private property without the explicit consent of the owner ; that's a right everyone should be welcome to. I do not agree with the government restricting them from covering operations from or on public property, which is what is happening here.

And if Cnn is suing to ride along in the helicopters or on the boat, they have no right to do that either.

I'm yet to see proof of that.
 
2005-09-10 09:33:47 AM  
Boojum2k: No, really, what was the point? The Holocaust was an intentional act by followers of an evil ideology. Hurricane Katrina was a result of ocean heat rising into the atmosphere and spiraling due to the coriolis effect, a process that occurs several times a year, quite naturally.

Okay. Forget I said holocaust. Try "moon landing" or "Tiananmen Square."
 
2005-09-10 09:37:34 AM  
leperboy69: KingLago
And I think the majority of bodies are going to be in people's homes when the water goes down.

That's fine - so they film the bodies being wheeled out from the street - I assume you have no issue with that? I agree with you that they shouldn't be allowed on private property without the explicit consent of the owner ; that's a right everyone should be welcome to. I do not agree with the government restricting them from covering operations from or on public property, which is what is happening here.

And if Cnn is suing to ride along in the helicopters or on the boat, they have no right to do that either.

I'm yet to see proof of that.



But the thing here is, and this is all speculation, I don't think CNN would sue just to be across the street. I think they are suing for more access. Either to ride with the cops or go inside.
 
2005-09-10 09:38:55 AM  
KingLago
But the thing here is, and this is all speculation, I don't think CNN would sue just to be across the street. I think they are suing for more access. Either to ride with the cops or go inside.

That's speculation awright - I don't think that's what they're suing for, and they haven't stated as such, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that point :)
 
2005-09-10 09:39:57 AM  
mediaho
The moon landing or Tiananmen Square now? Um. . .

How about the 2004 hurricane record, for comparison? Lots of destruction, some deaths.

Or for a true historical comparison, Camille.
 
2005-09-10 09:41:18 AM  
Boojum2k: How about the 2004 hurricane record, for comparison? Lots of destruction, some deaths.

Or for a true historical comparison, Camille.


Was the media barred from covering/documenting these events?
 
2005-09-10 09:43:11 AM  
leperboy69: KingLago
But the thing here is, and this is all speculation, I don't think CNN would sue just to be across the street. I think they are suing for more access. Either to ride with the cops or go inside.

That's speculation awright - I don't think that's what they're suing for, and they haven't stated as such, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that point :)



http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds24251.html

"The agency has also started to reject reporters' requests to travel with rescue boats, now that the waters are receding and the dead bodies become more and more prevalent."
 
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