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(Komo)   Man protects his daughter, survives mauling and scalping from grizzly bear. "I could feel a tooth going into my scalp...At that point I thought, 'hmmmm you can die from that,'"   (komotv.com) divider line 136
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2005-09-10 01:55:39 PM
INeedaName


Ahhh...unagi.

Seriously though, that's a great dad, and a tough guy. I hope he recovers quickly.
 
2005-09-10 01:58:09 PM
buntz:

Chariset: Mother (and father) love is one of the strongest forces on earth

As a stay at home dad of 5 years, with 2 kids, I find your sentence insulting, due to its structure based on this article.

I get zero respect. From my "friends" who mock me for not supporting my family, to my own MOTHER who tells me 'men are not equipt to care for and raise children, to the 100's of people that call me "Mr. Mom" (implying I do a MOTHER's job, and not simply a "parent's") and clerks at Target that say "And where is their mother?" or "Are you 'babysitting' today?"

So now we read an article about a father being the greatest hero of all for his daughter and all you can say is "Mother (and father) love is one of the strongest forces on earth???

Yes, I agree with you. But to place fatherly love in parentheses, as if it's an after thought, especially based on what you just read, I actually find insulting.

I'm not insulting YOU, or putting you down. I'm just telling you I found it insulting.

/not kidding at all



You weren't the only one offended by that statement Buntz. I'm not a father but damned if I don't see that kind of disrespect almost every day to fathers. Welcome to the new modern double standard of women can be sexist and get away with it when it comes to parenting. Its called "maternal gatekeeping". Women can be in the business world just like men, but woe unto those who try to enter mommy's racket over the kids.
 
2005-09-10 02:21:25 PM
The threat of Cougar attack here in the Northwest is way over-hyped (unless you live on Vancouver Island).

CougarAttacks
 
2005-09-10 02:28:57 PM
 
2005-09-10 02:33:12 PM
GaryPDX

I don't go into the woods without a sidearm, duhh. This is not unusual in the NW.....Cougars especially.

Guns are illegal in Glacier National Park, where the guy and his daughter were hiking. Federal offense.
 
2005-09-10 02:34:10 PM
To those of you giving chariset a hard time, geez, whaddya want, ultra political correctness all the time? I'm a primary caregiver dad and it doesn't bother me a bit when people put mothers first. (1) Generally speaking, women are much better at raising kids, especially preschool and younger. (2) People say stupid ignorant shiat all the time that isn't based in reality, unlike this.

Put simply, would you let a man give your daughter a footrub?
 
2005-09-10 02:40:25 PM
cryinoutloud we sell pepper spray for $9.99 at our gift shop.

John_From Pepper spray is the recommended deterent.

Does that stuff really work? Would it work if the bear is charging you because you got too close to its cubs?
 
2005-09-10 02:40:46 PM
Late, but again: this guy is a true hero. It sounds like he and his daughter did exactly the right things.

One scary part about this story is that the hike they were taking (Grinnell Valley, IIRC) is a very popular one -- trailhead right at a hotel, about 13 miles roundtrip if you go all the way, but some folks stop at earlier lakes.

And running is generally NOT recommended when you encounter a bear -- bears can run fast, and the sudden movement can provoke their aggression. That's why the girl was smart in playing dead.

Here's the straight dope from GP: pop goes the grizzly
 
2005-09-10 02:47:16 PM
MrSnrub The Second Amendment clearly states we have the right to arm bears.
 
2005-09-10 03:15:09 PM
Here's how they were rescued

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/articles/2005/08/27/news/news02.txt
 
2005-09-10 03:25:16 PM
They fly a badly injured person from Montana all the way to Seattle, so he can be treated at Harborview hospital. Wow.

Makes me glad I live in Seattle.

Billings is so big now I am suprised they dont have a first rate hospital.
 
2005-09-10 03:26:20 PM
Chthulhu: Make sure he reads this thread- I'll bet he'll laugh a lot.

And then pat him on the back. ....very softly.
 
2005-09-10 03:43:11 PM
wouldn't this have been a lot easier if they had both played dead from the beginning. It's great that the guy wanted to save his daughter, but in the end the only thing that really did her much good was playing dead. In a way, I think the [dumbass] tag is more fitting.
 
2005-09-10 04:19:44 PM
rbuzby: Billings is so big now I am suprised they dont have a first rate hospital.

Billings has decent hospitals, but I think it's about as far away by plane as Seattle is from Glacier Park. And I am certain that Seattle has far more resources for severe injuries like this.

/406 represent!
 
2005-09-10 04:22:10 PM
I didn't see anything in the article that indicated whether they were doing their bit to be noisy so bears would leave the area.

I'm not much of an outdoors person, but I know you are supposed to make ALOT of noise if you're hiking in bear country.
 
2005-09-10 04:51:01 PM
maRox: Most care more about what yout think than how you express it

what's a "yout"?
 
2005-09-10 05:24:05 PM


/first thing that came to mind
//cant get the theme song out of my head now
 
2005-09-10 05:32:19 PM
Bear spray, pepper spray = spice for the bear's meal. Carry some garlic, too, and some tenderizer. Some bears like it if you also carry a bottle of red wine, preferably Zinfandel. If you are going to be eaten, it is better to be eaten in style.
 
2005-09-10 05:51:33 PM
Since I appear to be the first to check on it, firearms are not permitted in Glacier Park. You can only bring them through the park if they are broken down and separated from the ammo. Even if he could have carried a pistol, it sounds like the bear was on him too quickly. Bear spray might have helped if he could have gotten to it.
 
2005-09-10 05:53:46 PM
I've heard that pepper spray plus a small, jangly "warning bell" are good for warding off bear attacks. The bell warns the bear you're coming so they're not surprised by you; the pepper spray is for when they get too close for your comfort and you can sting them.

I've also heard that grizzly shiat smells like pepper and is full of bells.

I carry a sidearm pretty much everywhere. That includes the walking trails in the woods near my house. Though that isn't federally-protected land or a national park. Where I live (outside of Seattle) we don't see much wildlife beyond the odd deer or fox. But occasionally there are a few coyote sightings, and we recently heard of a cougar spotted right in our neighborhood. So I definitely carry my sidearm when on a local hike. The animal threat may be very low, but I'd rather have a gun and not need it that need one and not have it. Never mind the potential human threat one may encounter.
 
2005-09-10 05:58:19 PM
Actually to read that he got his skull ripped off should not surprise anyone who has seen what goes on in major colleges now days. The students don't make demands on the TA's or Professors and vice versa. The only real losers are those of us who have to read newspaper articles by journalism majors written on the 3rd grade level.
 
2005-09-10 06:00:57 PM
Irish_Viking

Read the story about how they were rescued by helicopter. Pretty cool

www.dailyinterlake.com/articles/2005/08/27/news/news02.txt

The daughter had pepper spray. She couldn't get to it in time.
 
2005-09-10 06:18:05 PM
apiarist: 10 hours into this discussion and no one has determined the critical, salient fact?

Was she HOT?



I bet you a dollar she doesn't screw any jerks at college.

And if she does, I bet you two dollars she doesn't bring them home to meet her dad.
 
2005-09-10 06:21:01 PM
Wow, I would be going back up and getting me a nice bear skin rug.

In anycase, I always carry my sidearm when going out into the woods, hiking, or whatever. This isn't for killing animals, but to protect me and my wife from any human that wishes us ill. After all, you are likely no where near someone hearing you if you scream, and diffenately no cell phone reception. (I would like to get a satalite phone, but cannot justify the $1000 for it, yet)
 
2005-09-10 07:29:50 PM
We went hunting for deer today.. in Oregon above Crater Lake. We didnt find shiat. Not a damn thing. Hiked around about 8 miles in 3 different locations and didnt see shiat but birds and squirrels. We did find bear poo and what looked like a cougar track but other than that.. (and deer and elk poo)... nothing. But I was thinking about cougars. Was more worried about that than a bear since a bear is slower and we had guns. Remembered that story about the 2 women riding their bikes and a cougar jumped out and grabbed one of em. Anywho.. this guy is lucky. Glad he and his daughter are relatively ok.
 
2005-09-10 07:51:16 PM
ARRRRR

 
2005-09-10 08:34:30 PM
Bacontastesgood: (1) Generally speaking, women are much better at raising kids, especially preschool and younger. (2) People say stupid ignorant shiat all the time that isn't based in reality


Well, you certainly are right about number 2 of your argument

YOu have replaced chariset as offensive and ignorant comment of the thread.
 
2005-09-10 09:02:06 PM
Bacontastesgood: Put simply, would you let a man give your daughter a footrub?

Not sure if you're being funny paraphrasing Pulp Fiction or actually serious, but if you're serious then:

Hello? I wouldn't let a WOMAN give her one either! Has nothing to do with anything!
 
2005-09-10 10:03:49 PM
Was she HOT?

A local CA news channel did show a pic of her.

And yes, she is.

/note to dad: that was a preview of things to come. Wait until she starts college.
 
2005-09-11 12:23:06 AM
I would like to think I would take one for my kids, and it is amazing what people can do under the right conditions - but I don't want a bear chomping on my noggin to be able to prove it to myself.

So I don't know if I am being sensible, or if I am just a pussy.

Prolly a pussy....
 
2005-09-11 01:13:20 AM
Wow, I just found out this guy lives in my city.
 
2005-09-11 02:09:38 AM
Would have been better to play dead from the start, really.
 
2005-09-11 03:04:02 AM
Bacontastesgood:

To those of you giving chariset a hard time, geez, whaddya want, ultra political correctness all the time? I'm a primary caregiver dad and it doesn't bother me a bit when people put mothers first. (1) Generally speaking, women are much better at raising kids, especially preschool and younger. (2) People say stupid ignorant shiat all the time that isn't based in reality, unlike this.

Put simply, would you let a man give your daughter a footrub?


Generally speaking, men are better soldiers, police, fire fighters etc.... But you know, thats not always true now is it? See where I'm going with this? Whats sad is you buy into the whole belief of men being creepy if they're around kids at all (footrub is ok for a woman to do?). What does it say about our society in that we now tend to stereotype any man who is with his child or any child as a potential or likely child molester? We think its archaic and sexist when the car salesman ignores the "little woman" and only talks to her husband even though its her car they're buying but its okay if the teacher or doctor ignore daddy and talk directly to mommy.

You seem to think being ignored in favor of your child's mother is ok.. Sure, the stereotype exists for a reason, but if we let society continue to perpetuate it and blow it out of proportion, you're going to have men who are afraid/forbidden to be around kids at all. The first being something that does happen a fair amount already these days.
 
z_g
2005-09-11 04:15:03 AM
Easy to see why females would be perceived as more dangerous: males fight to show off, or even for fun, while most females like to be perceived as non-aggressive and will only attack under extreme duress. When their own family are threatened I'm sure males, too, fight with no consideration to collateral damage or damage to self. It's just more obvious in females since we rarely fight for other reasons.

And buntz, relax. Caring for one's offspring is just as much a male trait as a female one, and whoever says otherwise must have grown up in an oddly dysfunctional setting. :)
 
2005-09-11 08:36:35 AM
Wow, little anti-gun blather in this thread. Maybe gun owners are winning the war against the gun-grabbing parasites finally.

As to hunting Grizzlyes with pistols, yes, it goes on all the time, though, IMNSHO, you have to be insane to do it.

When I was in the infantry, had a captain that hunted grizzly every year up in Alaska with hand guns. He said the trick is to slow it down first with a shoulder shot, then do shots to kill it after it cant rush you. He went into those berry patches where the bears can surprize you from a few feet away, though thank the dear Lord the bears almost always stand straight up to try and intimidate you first. Almost always.

Some articles on handgun hunts for Grizzly (ending my text):

http://www.biggamehunt.net/graphics/photos_talltales/handgun_alaskan_brown_bea r_1.jpg


http://www.biggamehunt.net/sections/Alaska/Handgun_Hunting_the_Alaskan_Brown_B ear_02050401.html


http://www.jeffpralle.com/spring_bear.htm

"I recommend 30.06 minimum for rifle hunters. As always my suggestion for bullets is a premium controlled expansion heavy bullet. Bonded core or monolithic - Swift A-Frame, Trophy Bonded, Barnes X or triple shocks, Failsafe Archery, muzzleloader, and handgun hunters need to call and discuss equipment with me prior to booking.

A super hunt to take a monster Grizzly, better 90% success rate with bears averaging 8 feet. We have been seeing an average of 10 bears in 7 days for the last couple years! Jack Tuso took an honest 9'6" boar, 26 2/16" skull, placing this bear #34 in the current B&C record book. Later hunts are dry ground; occasional snowshoe use may be required on all hunts. Early hunts will require snowshoes. Camps are placed with the Super Cub and moved as needed. Hunting is conducted on foot."
 
2005-09-11 03:12:22 PM
I googled it, Anthrax Ripple, here's what I found:

The .454 Casull plowed fresh ground in handgun cartridges. It operates at a mean average pressure of 65,000 psi, the same as the hottest of the new magnum rifle cartridges. When you consider that the "hot" .44 Mag. operates at 36,000 psi, the Casull's radical nature truly starts to come into focus. The .454 Casull can drive a 300-grain bullet out the muzzle of a handgun at more than 1650 fps, edging into the territory of serious power.

My hunting handgun of choice for many years has been a Freedom Arms Model 83 with a 7 -inch barrel. It wears a Leupold 2X scope in an SSK T'SOB scope mount and Pachmayr rubber grips. The best testament to the Casull came after I shot yet another bear with it some years back, when one of the guides remarked, "That's the deadest damn bear I have ever seen!"


Sounds like that cartridge does the trick.
 
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