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(Komo)   Man protects his daughter, survives mauling and scalping from grizzly bear. "I could feel a tooth going into my scalp...At that point I thought, 'hmmmm you can die from that,'"   (komotv.com) divider line 136
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2005-09-10 09:50:49 AM
Its illegal to carry a firearm in a National Park. Glacier has a large population of Grizzley's. Pepper spray is the recommended deterent.
 
2005-09-10 09:53:24 AM
that guy is a MAN... especially for getting his skull ripped off... check out the first paragraph.
 
2005-09-10 09:55:38 AM
...and nature is fun, why?
 
2005-09-10 10:02:15 AM
Damn you landomojo, I was going to post that. Luckily for the guy in the story, it seems that having a skull isn't all that necessary, kind of like the appendix I guess.
 
2005-09-10 10:14:34 AM
If guns are illegal in national parks, I would carry a katana. Unless I was a bear wrestler.
 
2005-09-10 10:19:09 AM
machoprogrammer, stop watching so much anime.

 
2005-09-10 10:25:46 AM
I live in bear country and do not carry a sidearm in the woods. Bear spray has been proven to be much more effective.

During deer and elk season I do make it a point to have a round chambered and the rifle nearby when dressing out my deer. Just in case. A rifle "crack" has become a dinner bell for bears around here.
 
2005-09-10 10:26:19 AM
This is exactly the reason why I never go into the woods without trendy sunglasses and a rocket pack.

Maybe the bear was just tired of stepping in some yuppy's GORP droppings all summer every time she took her kids into the bushes to eat.

/Bear meat is good
 
2005-09-10 10:26:20 AM
WTF!?!?!

10 hours into this discussion and no one has determined the critical, salient fact?


Was she HOT?
 
2005-09-10 10:35:13 AM
Vertigo20:

I have never watched anime in my life. However, I would prefer a katana over a knife because its longer. Funny image though!
 
WD
2005-09-10 10:38:04 AM
 
2005-09-10 10:42:50 AM
You rarely hear about the "tourist shoots bear" headlines unless you live in an area where bears are common. I'm in New Mexico and we have usually 2 or 3 people a year in my town that shoot a bear that enters their house or is trying to attack them. All the local people here know that it is a good precaution to carry some sort of deterrent. Props to the guy for surviving the attack but it really could've been avoided. On Forest Service Posters that they put all over my town it says that if you are attacked by a bear after trying to back away, to NOT PLAY DEAD, to fight back as hard as you can.
 
2005-09-10 10:45:15 AM
....so is she hot?

/had to be asked.
//carries a sidearm in the forest.
 
2005-09-10 10:46:33 AM
aarchaon-

I couldn't believe no one had figured out the obvious yet... and you were too slow apparently- HA!
 
2005-09-10 10:51:05 AM
Here's a guy who had his picture taken within an hour of his bear attack:



Here is his full story of how he survived (good stuff):
http://www.udap.com/markfullstory.htm
 
2005-09-10 10:54:17 AM
ToeKnee666: In fact, a sidearm is more likely to be used against me in an attack than a bear is likely to rip my scalp off.


Jesus, that would be a terrible way to go. A bear attacks, you draw your pistol, and the bear takes it away from you and shoots you gangsta style.
 
2005-09-10 10:59:48 AM
The word "Awesome" is overused.............not in this case
 
2005-09-10 11:27:23 AM
Lady got killed by a black bear in my neck of the woods the other day.
Her husband tackled the bear and managed to stab it a couple dozen times, but all that did was pissoff the bear and it then beat the shiat out of him.
Sad, both 30 years old and her a doctor.
He's still in hospital.
 
2005-09-10 11:42:58 AM
Who ended up with the picnic basket?
 
2005-09-10 11:46:22 AM
"I don't go into the woods without a sidearm, duhh. This is not unusual in the NW.....Cougars especially."


This is VERY unusual in my part of the Northwest, since in Washington we only have a few grizzlies, if any. Black bears are not dangerous like grizzlies.

And cougar sightings are rare too. If you are a woman or a small child they might try to take you, but they dont usually go after adult makes. Sure it happens, but not often.

I have been climbing/backpacking in the Washington Cascades for 20 years, and never carried a weapon. It just isnt needed.

If I were in grizzly country I might want a weapon though, especially if I were with someone I cared about.
 
2005-09-10 11:49:30 AM
If I were a celebrity, I'd trap and train 2 bears, put them in black suits, and have them follow me around as bodyguards. Bears are so bad ass!
 
2005-09-10 11:51:52 AM
"And I have heard of Mother Love. But it's not applicable to this story, unless you're talking about the bear."

The protagonist in this story is a mother bear who loved her cubs so much she nearly killed 2 people.

Mother love is a bigger part of the story than Father love.

It was mother love that made this story happen.

And yes, Fathers dont get enough respect, but thread is not an example of that.
 
2005-09-10 11:52:34 AM
 
2005-09-10 11:54:03 AM
rbuzby: And cougar sightings are rare too.

Really? Here on Vancouver Island, they are extremely common. I'm surprised to hear the same is not true just south of us there.
 
2005-09-10 12:00:22 PM
sykes

" On Forest Service Posters that they put all over my town it says that if you are attacked by a bear after trying to back away, to NOT PLAY DEAD, to fight back as hard as you can."

Black bear: you fight back
Grizzly bear: play dead.

Important difference. Your local Forest Service will tell you the same thing.

3rdLostPassword

You guys have a special problem on Vancouver Island with cougars. Unique in the world. It is not the same anywhere else. It is an island after all.
Cougar sightings in washington are usually in areas where new developments have been built in the foothills.

Cougar sightings in the backcountry are rare; they dont like to be seen. Cougar attacks are even more rare, but sure , they happen.
 
2005-09-10 12:06:13 PM
3rdLostPassword

"rbuzby: And cougar sightings are rare too.
Really? Here on Vancouver Island, they are extremely common. I'm surprised to hear the same is not true just south of us there."

Your island has the highest concentration of cougars in North America!
So many that you can kill two at a time legally. Down here its one per hunter, and only so many are "harvested" every year.

Sounds like you cant swing a dead cat on Vancouver island without hitting a cougar.

I wouldnt let my kids play in the woods unsupervised if I were you.
 
2005-09-10 12:07:53 PM
rbuzby

Thanks. Indeed, a year does not go by without a 'cyclist knocked off bike by cougar' story.
 
2005-09-10 12:10:54 PM
I know Johan; I'm glad to see that he's come home now. He looks better than I expected, considering the damage reported.

Johan's a good guy, very sharp; he's a medical professional, and a natural leader. His actions in protecting Jenna don't surprise me in the least.

Mike
 
2005-09-10 12:13:12 PM
3rdLostPassword


rbuzby

"Thanks. Indeed, a year does not go by without a 'cyclist knocked off bike by cougar' story."

Scary. There must not be enough deer to go around, with so many Cougars all on the same island. They dont go after humans unless they are really hurting for food.
 
2005-09-10 12:14:54 PM
Two legs good, four legs bad.
 
2005-09-10 12:18:44 PM
Huh, cougar sightings aren't that uncommon down in Oregon. They're not as common as Vancouver, I'm sure, but we still get stories once in awhile. I think it was last year some guy was walking back from fishing in the river, his fresh salmon catch slung over his back, and was suddenly knocked flat on his face with a huge weight on his back. Of course, salmon is a cougar's favorite food. Funny thing was, I don't think the guy suffered anything but scraped knees. The cougar basically just took his fish and went "KTHXBYE".

Or maybe I just think it's funny because it didn't happen to me...

/guy protecting his daughter is amazing
//thinks gender stereotypes for parenting are dumb
///even if they sort of fit my parents
 
2005-09-10 12:21:08 PM
Now there is a real hero, not that kind that gets cancer.
 
2005-09-10 12:23:49 PM
rbuzby: Scary. There must not be enough deer to go around...

The main problem is that there's been a phenomenal building boom here. Suburbs are being built in what was pristine wilderness 5 years ago. So yea, less deer, more people, less land.

Slowontheuptake: Funny thing was, I don't think the guy suffered anything but scraped knees.

Unless the cougar thinks you're a deer (hence getting attacked on a bicycle,) they don't generally attack adults. Of course, who can resist a fresh wild salmon?!
 
2005-09-10 12:31:02 PM
That guy has 1,000 years of power. Go super dad!
 
2005-09-10 12:39:17 PM
20 Years of hiking, fishing and camping on vancouver Island and I've only seen a couple cougars, from a distance. They are extremely frightened by humans and noise, and will only attack if they are starving and desperate. Black bears on the other hand are a dime a dozen.
 
2005-09-10 12:47:24 PM
Ahh, home sweet home, how I do miss getting treed by bears out picking huckleberries. Here is a tip to anyone who is in grizzly country, if you hear a woofing sound followed by what would best be described as a chattering of teeth, find the nearest large tree and go up it. Some disclaimers here, when I say go up it, I mean about 10 feet up at a minimum or your going to feel your feet getting raked with some claws. About carrying a gun; Its great for after your up in the tree to fire off a couple of rounds to send them packing, trying to get it out while a sow is charging you, good luck. Pepper spray is a better deterrent but make sure you dont spray it back in your face or you'll be thrashing on the ground with the bear.

/Glad they didn't shoot the bear for doing what did
//Irony: When I see a bear, its like cool a bear, when I see a snake, I run like a little girl.
///Miss home, but I don't miss poverty with a view
 
2005-09-10 12:50:51 PM
jojo-themonkey: I've only seen a couple cougars...

Can't remember the saying... something along the lines of being more likely to see the tracks of the cougar following you than ever seeing the cougar itself.

In the last while, though, development into the wilderness (East Sooke, for example) has led to more interactions between wildlife and humans... obviously.
 
2005-09-10 12:52:06 PM
I am assuming that the bear was not named Ditka


 
2005-09-10 01:14:41 PM
The guy's a hero, undeniably... but am I the only one who gets the impression his daughter wasted the time he bought her? Either that, or she was a pretty slow runner. Maybe "back to civilization" was steeply uphill. That'd slow anyone down, no matter how scared they were.

But Johan there is definitely a hero. Get him a medal or pay for his daughter's college or something.
 
2005-09-10 01:19:43 PM
5 minutes of wrestling with a angry grizzly with no weapon.

holy crap.
 
2005-09-10 01:21:35 PM
HERO tag is not big enough. This guy has mad Unagi!

Unagi means Powa!

Seriously though, talk about father of the year. How do we nominate this guy?

And why do you keep using the word deterrant? A deterrant is something that would make someone/something think twice about doing what it wants. Carrying a gun/bear mace is not going to make the bear stop and think "Hmm, I hope he doesn't pull that out."
 
2005-09-10 01:25:31 PM
Very good use of the hero tag. This man is a true hero, nothing like self sacrifice for your children.
 
2005-09-10 01:26:35 PM
Umm, first sentence "ripped off his skull ... "

I know, it's supposed to say scalp, what kind of writer and editor doesn't read the first line and think "how can he live without his skull?"?
 
2005-09-10 01:27:37 PM
sezme, jesus christ, ljcut!
 
2005-09-10 01:28:05 PM
jojo-themonkey


"20 Years of hiking, fishing and camping on vancouver Island and I've only seen a couple cougars, from a distance. "


I have the same amount of experience in the Washington Cascades and have seen ZERO cougars. 9 or 10 bears, and all the other critters you can imagine, but no cougars.

They should change the name to "Van-cougar" Island.
 
2005-09-10 01:31:10 PM
Wow. Those 2 are very lucky. Being up close and personal with bears suck. It's very SCARY to hear them rattle their teeth, or kinda bark or woof like an old dog. You know it's a sign meaning get away from me. Bear are in my backyard chowing salmon often.

/been there.
//ran like a little girl
///bear slashies///
 
2005-09-10 01:32:09 PM
The guy looks a bit like Bruce Willis in that picture, don't you think?

Definitely a HERO.

I've often wondered why they don't require folks hiking in Bear territory to carry at least something like a couple of stun grenades or those portable boat horn blasters to try to scare the bear away.

Here, in Florida, when I used to prowl and boat through the swamps, I carried a rifle just in case a gator got too interested. These days, since gators are now protected and tend to get rather huge, I'd carry a bigger rifle. My philosophy is, if attacked, it's gonna be the gator that looses and not me and I'll worry about the fine later on -- IF anyone finds the body.

I think if I were to hike in Bear country, I'd like to carry a machine gun.

I've read and heard about the legendary aggressiveness of female bears with cubs and would prefer not to run into any.

Hope the guy makes a full recovery.
 
2005-09-10 01:42:40 PM
Article headline: "I'm So Lucky"

LUCKY: running into three attractive female campers sitting around the fire, discussing their sexual fantasies and how they wish they had brought a man along.

UNLUCKY: Getting your ass kicked by a grizzly bear.
 
2005-09-10 01:47:10 PM
Old Yeller fought a bear.

I've got a Pit Bull/Sharpei that would fight to the death anything that threatened my family (believe me, I've seen it), regardless of species or size.
 
2005-09-10 01:53:02 PM
I've heard that if you're attacked by a black bear, you're supposed to slug it in the nose as hard as you can.

That might do the trick.

/works against humans
 
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